[07:54] <ailo> falktx, linux-sampler is non free
[07:54] <ailo> It has a limitation to it's license which makes it impossible to add it Debian
[07:54] <ailo> That's what I've  been led to believe at least
[07:54] <ailo> It's GPL, but with an addition
[07:56] <falktx> ailo: consider this:
[07:56] <falktx> skype and sun-java are in debian
[07:56] <falktx> linuxsampler, just because of a tiny expection is not?
[07:57] <falktx> it makes no sense to me
[07:57] <ailo> falktx, You could take it up with Debian people. I'm sure it would have been in their repo a long time ago
[07:57] <ailo> Otherwise
[07:57] <falktx> debian is too strict
[07:57] <ailo> I think they added the limitation to prevent it to be sold as a of hardware
[07:57] <ailo> as a part of hardware, I mean
[07:58] <falktx> ailo: take for example audacious, they removed some code simply because the headers did not mentioned the license
[07:58] <ailo> falktx, Debian is debian. There are other distros that will include linux-sampler
[07:58] <falktx> that is bullshit to me
[07:59] <falktx> this is why I love arch
[07:59] <ailo> I like Debian, because they are strict
[07:59] <ailo> I can trust it
[08:00] <falktx> it's the same thing as with GPL
[08:00] <ailo> Doing things anyway you want is not trustworthy
[08:00] <falktx> its cool enough, but once you start thinking commercially, there's nothing worst
[08:01] <falktx> ailo: afaik, they could simply show the license when installing, like they do for java and ms-fonts
[08:01] <falktx> I just think they are not very interested, that's all
[08:02] <ailo> falktx, Talk with the multimedia team. I'm sure they're quite interested in linux-sampler
[08:02] <ailo> It's been around for a long time
[08:02] <falktx> ailo: I will soon, take my word
[12:10] <knome> ScottL, what's the status with including social media in the new website? you still want that?
[14:21] <ScottL> knome, i think including it would be good, just to show that people are talking about it
[14:22] <ScottL> but i'll poke stochastic about his feelings since he was the one who started questioning it
[14:23] <ScottL> knome, btw, i hope to work on the website today now that i'm feeling better and holiday is (more or less) over
[16:04] <knome> ScottL, great! let me know if there is something you need help with and i'll see if i can fix that right away
[16:39] <holstein> i feel like as long as we state the purpose of the social media, and our understanding of why it would be opposed, all should be good
[16:40] <holstein> "we understand that the use of such services can be controversial in an open community, however, we feel this is a necessary evil to reach users who are not aware of US"
[17:52] <ailo> holstein, ScottL Check out diaspora
[17:52] <ailo> No need for facebook, or twitter
[17:52] <ailo> diaspora is free
[17:53] <holstein> yeah, but its got to be something folks use, or it defeats the purpose
[17:53] <holstein> does it link up with facebag? or twite?
[17:53] <ailo> https://diasp.org/
[17:53] <ailo> I hear google+ based some of their stuff on this
[17:54] <ailo> You can link it up with facebook at least, but it's still alpha
[17:54] <ailo> There are "pods" available for anyone to use
[17:54] <holstein> i think its got to be easily accesible from the popular ones
[17:54] <ailo> You can also install your own pod on your own server if you like
[17:55] <ailo> holstein, Just have a look first, ok?
[17:55] <holstein> of course, we can individually "social-media" about it
[17:55] <holstein> we dont have to have it
[17:55] <ailo> It's still alpha, but it's pretty good
[17:55] <holstein> ailo: well, if its not facebook/twitter, it doesnt help
[17:55] <holstein> the problem is, thats what folks use
[17:55] <holstein> if theres a step involved to go to diaspora, they wont
[17:55] <ailo> holstein, You can have those as well as diaspora, why wouldn't you?
[17:56] <holstein> or havent*
[17:56] <holstein> ailo: well, i would
[17:56] <holstein> and you would
[17:56] <holstein> but, will that other guy?
[17:56] <holstein> they guy that doesnt know what we are talking about?
[17:56] <holstein> or doesnt care
[17:56] <holstein> just wants to make music, and click on things
[17:56] <ailo> https://diasp.org/'
[17:56] <ailo> sorry wrong link
[17:56] <holstein> "this looks insteresting, hmmm whats diaspora?... oh well, back to pro-tools"
[17:57] <ailo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(software)
[17:57] <holstein> you know what i mean?
[17:57] <ailo> holstein, No, I don't know what you mean
[17:57] <holstein> ailo: the main problem with *any* facebook alternative is, thats its not facebook
[17:57] <ailo> Seriously, holstein 
[17:58] <holstein> yeah
[17:58] <holstein> thats the point
[17:58] <holstein> otherwise, why do it?
[17:58] <holstein> we dont *need* social interfacing
[17:58] <holstein> the only reason i would want it for US is to grab folks from facebook
[17:58] <holstein> current facebook users
[17:58] <holstein> tap into that already existing comunity
[17:58] <holstein> where those folks will *never* come to IRC
[17:58] <holstein> or a forum
[17:58] <holstein> or a wiki
[17:59] <holstein> we have to go to them.. or thats the argument
[17:59] <ailo> holstein, Diaspora is still mainly used by people like us. At around 200'000 users right now
[17:59] <ailo> And it's growing
[18:00] <holstein> right
[18:00] <ailo> Take a look, before you keep talking
[18:00] <holstein> but... the argument is, thats like preaching to the choir
[18:00] <holstein> i mean, i looked at the link
[18:00] <holstein> and im into it
[18:00] <holstein> but, you dont need me
[18:00] <holstein> im already using ubuntustudio
[18:00] <holstein> and others who will search 'open alternative to facebook'
[18:00] <holstein> those are not the folks we need to target
[18:00] <holstein> those are us
[18:00] <holstein> we are those users
[18:00] <holstein> and we are here
[18:01] <holstein> the argument is, we need facebook and the other more popular closed ones to tap that resource of non-technical folks
[18:01] <holstein> the 'other' users
[18:01] <holstein> ailo: you dig?
[18:02] <ailo> holstein, There's no reason why you can't have them all at once. And why not support diaspora, if you're going to support fb, and twitter?
[18:02] <ailo> It would seem funny, when open source guys don't want to use open source software
[18:02] <ailo> Especially software as good as diaspora
[18:03] <holstein> ailo: OH... you want to add that in..
[18:03] <holstein> sure 
[18:03] <holstein> thats fine
[18:03] <holstein> i thought you were suggesting that *instead*
[18:03] <holstein> i mean... what about linkedin?
[18:03] <holstein> i dont know anything about that...
[18:04] <ailo> holstein, If you have doubts about fb and twitter, at least diaspora is available. And it's growing fast
[18:05] <holstein> ailo: i dont think its an issue of doubt
[18:05] <holstein> i hate them
[18:05] <holstein> but i think we need to do it *if* our goal is to reach those people
[18:05] <holstein> the question is, who is our target audience?
[18:06] <holstein> if its the public at large, we need to do it