[07:54] falktx, linux-sampler is non free [07:54] It has a limitation to it's license which makes it impossible to add it Debian [07:54] That's what I've been led to believe at least [07:54] It's GPL, but with an addition [07:56] ailo: consider this: [07:56] skype and sun-java are in debian [07:56] linuxsampler, just because of a tiny expection is not? [07:57] it makes no sense to me [07:57] falktx, You could take it up with Debian people. I'm sure it would have been in their repo a long time ago [07:57] Otherwise [07:57] debian is too strict [07:57] I think they added the limitation to prevent it to be sold as a of hardware [07:57] as a part of hardware, I mean [07:58] ailo: take for example audacious, they removed some code simply because the headers did not mentioned the license [07:58] falktx, Debian is debian. There are other distros that will include linux-sampler [07:58] that is bullshit to me [07:59] this is why I love arch [07:59] I like Debian, because they are strict [07:59] I can trust it [08:00] it's the same thing as with GPL [08:00] Doing things anyway you want is not trustworthy [08:00] its cool enough, but once you start thinking commercially, there's nothing worst [08:01] ailo: afaik, they could simply show the license when installing, like they do for java and ms-fonts [08:01] I just think they are not very interested, that's all [08:02] falktx, Talk with the multimedia team. I'm sure they're quite interested in linux-sampler [08:02] It's been around for a long time [08:02] ailo: I will soon, take my word [12:10] ScottL, what's the status with including social media in the new website? you still want that? [14:21] knome, i think including it would be good, just to show that people are talking about it [14:22] but i'll poke stochastic about his feelings since he was the one who started questioning it [14:23] knome, btw, i hope to work on the website today now that i'm feeling better and holiday is (more or less) over [16:04] ScottL, great! let me know if there is something you need help with and i'll see if i can fix that right away [16:39] i feel like as long as we state the purpose of the social media, and our understanding of why it would be opposed, all should be good [16:40] "we understand that the use of such services can be controversial in an open community, however, we feel this is a necessary evil to reach users who are not aware of US" [17:52] holstein, ScottL Check out diaspora [17:52] No need for facebook, or twitter [17:52] diaspora is free [17:53] yeah, but its got to be something folks use, or it defeats the purpose [17:53] does it link up with facebag? or twite? [17:53] https://diasp.org/ [17:53] I hear google+ based some of their stuff on this [17:54] You can link it up with facebook at least, but it's still alpha [17:54] There are "pods" available for anyone to use [17:54] i think its got to be easily accesible from the popular ones [17:54] You can also install your own pod on your own server if you like [17:55] holstein, Just have a look first, ok? [17:55] of course, we can individually "social-media" about it [17:55] we dont have to have it [17:55] It's still alpha, but it's pretty good [17:55] ailo: well, if its not facebook/twitter, it doesnt help [17:55] the problem is, thats what folks use [17:55] if theres a step involved to go to diaspora, they wont [17:55] holstein, You can have those as well as diaspora, why wouldn't you? [17:56] or havent* [17:56] ailo: well, i would [17:56] and you would [17:56] but, will that other guy? [17:56] they guy that doesnt know what we are talking about? [17:56] or doesnt care [17:56] just wants to make music, and click on things [17:56] https://diasp.org/' [17:56] sorry wrong link [17:56] "this looks insteresting, hmmm whats diaspora?... oh well, back to pro-tools" [17:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(software) [17:57] you know what i mean? [17:57] holstein, No, I don't know what you mean [17:57] ailo: the main problem with *any* facebook alternative is, thats its not facebook [17:57] Seriously, holstein [17:58] yeah [17:58] thats the point [17:58] otherwise, why do it? [17:58] we dont *need* social interfacing [17:58] the only reason i would want it for US is to grab folks from facebook [17:58] current facebook users [17:58] tap into that already existing comunity [17:58] where those folks will *never* come to IRC [17:58] or a forum [17:58] or a wiki [17:59] we have to go to them.. or thats the argument [17:59] holstein, Diaspora is still mainly used by people like us. At around 200'000 users right now [17:59] And it's growing [18:00] right [18:00] Take a look, before you keep talking [18:00] but... the argument is, thats like preaching to the choir [18:00] i mean, i looked at the link [18:00] and im into it [18:00] but, you dont need me [18:00] im already using ubuntustudio [18:00] and others who will search 'open alternative to facebook' [18:00] those are not the folks we need to target [18:00] those are us [18:00] we are those users [18:00] and we are here [18:01] the argument is, we need facebook and the other more popular closed ones to tap that resource of non-technical folks [18:01] the 'other' users [18:01] ailo: you dig? [18:02] holstein, There's no reason why you can't have them all at once. And why not support diaspora, if you're going to support fb, and twitter? [18:02] It would seem funny, when open source guys don't want to use open source software [18:02] Especially software as good as diaspora [18:03] ailo: OH... you want to add that in.. [18:03] sure [18:03] thats fine [18:03] i thought you were suggesting that *instead* [18:03] i mean... what about linkedin? [18:03] i dont know anything about that... [18:04] holstein, If you have doubts about fb and twitter, at least diaspora is available. And it's growing fast [18:05] ailo: i dont think its an issue of doubt [18:05] i hate them [18:05] but i think we need to do it *if* our goal is to reach those people [18:05] the question is, who is our target audience? [18:06] if its the public at large, we need to do it