[19:12] <kurisu> hi guys is it possible to use compiz with 11.10 & gnome 3
[19:12] <kurisu> .... partly blind and need the colour filters that compiz provides
[19:18] <joanie> kurisu: In theory you can use it in "fallback mode." But not gnome-shell.
[19:21] <kurisu> hmmm
[19:21] <kurisu> so I have to use unity if I want to use 11.10 and compiz
[19:22] <joanie> or fallback mode in gnome 3
[19:23] <joanie> slowly but surely they are re-adding the missing functionality (at least with respect to color filters, etc.) into gnome-shell. I'm photophobic so I need the reverse contrast and feel your pain.
[19:24] <kurisu> apt-get install gnome-session-fallback???
[19:24] <kurisu> already did that but cannot get compiz working 
[19:24] <joanie> kurisu: no :)
[19:24] <kurisu> oh
[19:24] <joanie> it's a system setting
[19:24]  * joanie looks
[19:24] <kurisu> oh right
[19:25] <kurisu> thanks
[19:25] <joanie> it's under System Info
[19:25] <joanie> so gnome-control-center (or that 'name' menu in the right)
[19:26] <kurisu> I basically used reverse contrast filters for everything
[19:26] <joanie> system settings if you use the menu route
[19:26] <kurisu> ok in there
[19:26] <joanie> then under system info it's under graphics
[19:26] <joanie> log out, log back in, and compiz should work
[19:26] <joanie> (be launchable)
[19:27] <kurisu> just states "Experience: Fallback"
[19:27] <kurisu> no options
[19:27] <AlanBell> kurisu: so what is wrong with unity? is it that compiz doesn't affect it?
[19:27] <kurisu> I hate unity
[19:27] <kurisu> ... basically
[19:27] <kurisu> I want gnome... with compiz
[19:27] <AlanBell> which bit do you hate?
[19:27] <kurisu> ... (need compiz to be able to see _
[19:28] <kurisu> everything
[19:28] <kurisu> its just not a very good desktop in my opinion
[19:29] <joanie> kurisu: yes, experience is fallback
[19:29] <joanie> and then log out
[19:29] <joanie> log back in
[19:29] <joanie> then launch compiz, ccsm, etc.
[19:30] <joanie> if you are not familiar with compiz-launching, I think it's compiz --replace but I cannot test on this system at the moment
[19:30] <kurisu> ok i'll try thanks
[19:32] <kurisu> hmm that didn't go so well
[19:33] <kurisu> just got loads of errors... looked like compiz had 'taken over' but none of the kb shortcuts worked and everything was unuseable
[19:35] <AlanBell> you might need to configure some more of the compiz plugins
[19:35] <kurisu> hmmm I just loaded my old compiz config
[19:35] <kurisu> just checked the errors: (unity-window-decorator:5315): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[19:36] <kurisu> does that mean unity is still being used?
[19:36] <AlanBell> I think it means that the plugins are horribly messed up if you are not using unity
[19:36] <kurisu> oh
[19:37] <AlanBell> unity is a compiz plugin, and a load of others are turned off as conflicts
[19:37] <AlanBell> you might need to turn off the unity plugin
[19:38] <kurisu> It's already off
[19:38] <joanie> kurisu: look for the gnome keyboard/compatibility plugin in ccsm
[19:38] <joanie> that gives you your shortcuts I believe
[19:40] <kurisu> the kb command plugin?? 
[19:41] <kurisu> seem to have nothing set
[19:42] <joanie> kurisu: I'm being summmoned for dinner. But on a machine at home I got this all working.... I can try to look later if you cannot sort it out.
[19:46] <kurisu> ok thanks
[21:41] <TheMuso> It would have been nice to know why he doesn't like Unity.
[21:41] <TheMuso> Other than he doesn't think it a very good desktop.
[21:44] <AlanBell> it would
[21:45] <AlanBell> most people who don't like unity just don't like it, without specifics
[21:46]  * AlanBell doesn't like the alt-tab, application switcher so I use a different window switcher
[21:46] <AlanBell> the global menu I am not a fan of, but it is OK
[21:46] <AlanBell> window buttons on the left are fine, really don't care
[21:47]  * TheMuso nods.
[21:47] <AlanBell> the launcher is fine on the left, but I set it to never hide, popping in and out was annoying
[21:48] <AlanBell> the applications lens is fundamentally badly designed, it is rubbish at showing me the applications I have and puts more effort into showing me applications from the software centre that I don't have, so I built a new lens that groups them by category like the menu used to
[21:48] <TheMuso> To each their own.
[21:48] <TheMuso> Cool.
[21:49] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png
[21:53] <TheMuso> Nice.