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[18:01] <topyli> ircc meeting right? i have to take 5 min here, but i'm around
[18:01]  * Unit193 
[18:02] <Myrtti> interesting.
[18:02] <jussi> o/
[18:02] <Unit193> \o
[18:03] <jussi> right, so who is here? topyli is I guess
[18:03] <jussi> any other ircc'ers ??
[18:05] <jussi> bueller? bueller? anyone?
[18:06] <highvoltage> he's sick.
[18:07] <jussi> highvoltage: haha
[18:07] <jussi> anyways
[18:07] <topyli> we don't seem to have quorum again
[18:07] <jussi> lets go through items and if we need to get them to the ML
[18:08] <jussi> #startmeeting
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[18:08] <jussi> #topic Bugs
[18:08] <jussi> #meetingtopic Bugs
[18:08] <jussi> better :)
[18:09] <jussi> So, bug788503
[18:09] <jussi> So, bug 788503
[18:09] <jussi> The ether pad is still up, we havent had much feedback
[18:10] <jussi> I guess we will give it a little more time and advertisement
[18:10] <jussi> topyli: sound good?
[18:10] <topyli> in general, we have more bugs than in the past, due to pushing issues to launchpad. it's good but i'm not sure if the amount of comments is any more useful than we used to get privately. it is an advertising problem i suppose
[18:10] <jussi> bug 883119 then.
[18:10] <jussi> Personally I think we can close this one
[18:11] <topyli> we are fixing it
[18:11] <jussi> its pretty obvious what we have been doing.
[18:11] <jussi> (or at least in progress).
[18:11] <topyli> i say close
[18:11] <jussi> If any of the people attending this meeting have an opinion, please dont be shy
[18:12] <topyli> close it, people will reopen if needed
[18:13] <jussi> ok
[18:14] <jussi> #action topyli to close bug 883119
[18:14] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to close bug 883119
[18:14] <topyli> i wouldn't like to touch the eir thing or the ops process right now, i'd leave them to the next council
[18:14] <jussi> bug 884617
[18:14] <jussi> err
[18:15] <jussi> Im dyslexic
[18:15] <jussi> bug 884671
[18:15] <jussi> This bug has had a bit of action - has anyone here got any thoughts?
[18:16] <topyli> jussi: the action is done. "fix released"
[18:17] <jussi> right.
[18:17] <topyli> i do agree that when the council sees a good op, they should be able to make one on the spot. the current process exists because we can't possibly be familiar with everyone
[18:18] <jussi> Yes, I agree. I think this needs to be taken to the rest of the ircc for a vote.
[18:19] <topyli> it's a policy change and needs a vote
[18:19] <jussi> #action topyli to email ircc list for votes on this.
[18:19] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to email ircc list for votes on this.
[18:19] <jussi> bug 887544
[18:20] <topyli> well. this is a long-standing item i've been planning to do
[18:21] <jussi> I think this is just something you are going to do isnt it, topyli
[18:21] <topyli> yeah
[18:21] <jussi> lets leave it as it is then for now
[18:21] <jussi> bug 892501
[18:22] <topyli> this is difficult. LjL is great and all, but having such powers invested in proprietary bots controlled by a single person is not very nice
[18:23] <topyli> i have talked to him, and i think we'll resolve it eventually
[18:23] <jussi> I think this might be one to leave for when there is a full council
[18:23] <topyli> yeah, and he should be around too
[18:24] <jussi> I think bug 892500 is similar
[18:25] <topyli> i don't have much to say about that, i disagree and would say it's useful. if we need to tweak it, let's
[18:26] <jussi> topyli: let's ?
[18:26] <topyli> if we need to tweak it, let's do so :)
[18:26] <jussi> ok
[18:26] <jussi> #meetingtopic Review last meetings action items
[18:26] <jussi> topyli: got these handy?
[18:27] <topyli> need to find from email, since we haven't done the team report
[18:27] <jussi> oh :/
[18:28] <jussi> right, pangolin - you about?
[18:28] <topyli> nhandler_ was supposed to do it. elky eventually sent a summary to the mailing list, but apparently she didn't copy it to the wiki
[18:28] <jussi> :(
[18:29] <topyli> there are two action items not done
[18:29] <jussi> which were?
[18:29] <topyli> i haven't sent out the lubuntu ops call
[18:29] <jussi> oh, yes, we were doing htat.
[18:30] <topyli> you and i have the irc guidelines review in progress, but that's in progress and needs help
[18:31] <jussi> Ok, so we need to finish that email and send it
[18:32] <jussi> is pangolin around?
[18:32] <topyli> jussi: let's just note those, and i'll promise to do the lubuntu thing asap. i'll draft it and have it reviewed by you
[18:32] <jussi> sure
[18:33] <jussi> As for pangolins issue, I see nothing on the background page about it, so its hard to be sure what he is after
[18:33] <topyli> it should be done carefully so the current people don't think we're "replacing" their current staff
[18:33] <jussi> yes
[18:34] <LjL> i am here
[18:34] <topyli> i can't say anything on pangolin's item. as he's not here, we should leave it
[18:34] <topyli> LjL: yay!
[18:34] <jussi> hi LjL :)
[18:35] <topyli> LjL: we're not able to talk about the bots though, we're too few again
[18:35] <topyli> well we can talk, but not make any decisions
[18:35] <jussi> we can talk about it - just decisions have to go else..
[18:36] <topyli> LjL: iirc you wanted some time with this, to see what you want to do
[18:36] <LjL> well i can say what my stance is. the floodbots aren't nearly good enough to be worth open sourcing for the sake of "giving them to the developer community". so i'd just be open sourcing them to make you folks happy. well, that's not going to happen at least until a new council is in place and, plainly stated, i see how much i'm in tune with its members
[18:37] <jussi> LjL: are you willing to give a certain amount of time that you promise you wont remove them before that time you make hte decision?
[18:39] <LjL> jussi: yes, but not a long time. since i see that calls are being made to rewrite them, then i'm sure it won't be a problem to have them accomplished ;) so i guess i will give a month or so after i tell everyone i'm going to retire them. which may or may not happen, really, i'm not saying it will.
[18:40] <topyli> we're basically leaving this for the next council then
[18:40] <jussi> LjL: right, but they will you say, be around until the next council appears?
[18:40] <LjL> jussi: yes
[18:40] <jussi> ok, excellent.
[18:41] <topyli> thanks LjL
[18:41] <jussi> anything else we need to talk about at this meeting? anyone else got any issues they would like to bring up?
[18:42] <topyli> if not, i have a date in 20 minutes :)
[18:42] <LjL> some things got on my nerves and i wanted to remove them, but i was then asked nicely to keep them as a favor and that is enough. they will not be removed in the course of a day again, not while this council is in place anyway. just, if people are planning to work on a rewrite, but all means let them. the floodbots are pretty horrible code anyway.
[18:43] <AlanBell> what are the various dates for the reelection process?
[18:43] <jussi> LjL: thanks a lot - it really helps.
[18:43] <jussi> AlanBell: the current team expires on the 21st
[18:43] <topyli> iirc you must nominate by 14th, but i may be wrong
[18:44] <AlanBell> nominations due by when?
[18:44] <AlanBell> voting for a week from the 14th then is it?
[18:44] <topyli> i think we have voted for a week in the past
[18:44] <jussi> Hrm, It appears I didnt put anything on the mail about nominations. Ill send a mail out about it.
[18:44] <jussi> Ie. dates
[18:45] <topyli> we should ask for clarification on this
[18:45] <jussi> yes, Ill double check with the cc
[18:45] <topyli> then of course spam the planet, the mailing list, and the washington post
[18:46] <jussi> yes, of course
[18:46] <jussi> thanks AlanBell for picking htat up
[18:46] <AlanBell> no problem :)
[18:46] <jussi> right. anything else?
[18:46] <AlanBell> plus clarify who is running the vote and the finishing method selected
[18:47] <jussi> yes ++
[18:47] <topyli> yeah
[18:47] <LjL> yes, topyli's haircut? i have raised that concern in the survey, and it's unsettling that it's not being addressed
[18:47] <jussi> LjL: sorry, thats out of our hands. escalate it
[18:47] <topyli> LjL: i have noted the opinion, and ignored appropriately!
[18:48] <LjL> topyli: (blame funkyhat by the way :P)
[18:48] <topyli> (yes i actually did read everything :)
[18:48] <jussi> LjL: its inappropriate for a hippie to have short neat hair!
[18:49] <jussi> anyway, last call or Im doing #endmeeting
[18:49] <topyli> LjL: i chose to just read the data, not where it's from
[18:50] <jussi> #endmeeting
[18:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Nov 27 18:50:07 2011 UTC.
[18:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-27-18.08.moin.txt
[18:50] <jussi> thanks everyone :)
[18:50] <topyli> alright, thanks, i have to run now
[18:50] <Unit193> Great!
[18:50] <jussi> AlanBell: also, meetingologydid somethign strange to the topic
[18:51] <jussi> [20:26:34] * meetingology has changed topic for #ubuntu-meeting to: "Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Review last meetings action items Meeting | Current topic:  Bugs"
[18:51] <jussi> that was after : [20:26:34] <jussi> #meetingtopic Review last meetings action items
[18:52] <jussi> anyway, Im also off. laters
[18:57] <AlanBell> jussi: yeah, because you used #meetingtopic, which sets the overall meeting name, like "#meetingtopic ircc meeting"