[00:35] <MartijnVdS> but it works!
[01:13] <ubuntubhoy> Calibre is a full featured mammoth of an app
[01:21] <jacobw> uupc talked to the creator of calibre a couple of series past
[01:40] <jacobw> missing private messages is a serious disadvantage of irssi+screen
[01:40]  * jacobw investigates fnotify
[08:16] <danfish> morning - happy Morris Dancing day all!
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it shows red numbers in the status bar
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: how can you miss those?
[08:56] <cliftonts> Morning all
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> Moo
[09:12] <cliftonts> just the 3 of us then is it?
[09:13] <MooDoo> for the moment :), i'm at work
[09:13] <cliftonts> Me too
[09:14] <MooDoo> cliftonts: what you do for a living?
[09:14] <cliftonts> I sell linux systems at computer fairs
[09:14] <MooDoo> awesome :)
[09:14] <MooDoo> cliftonts: how is it going?
[09:14] <cliftonts> first one today actually
[09:15] <cliftonts> so ask me at about 5pm lol
[09:15] <MooDoo> roger will do :)  have fun :)
[09:15] <cliftonts> I'm in Tolworth, Surrey today
[09:28] <danfish> ah Tolworth - gateway to Surbiton ;)
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> suborbiton?
[09:35] <danfish> MartijnVdS: something like that
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> danfish: It would be great name for the first British space station ;)
[09:43] <danfish> MartijnVdS: true. There was a British space program once...was actually quite promising and relatively cheap
[09:44] <MooDoo> i thought there was a british space program of sorts....
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> Isn't it all part of ESA now?
[09:45] <danfish> MooDoo: yes - a chap in Guildford called Kevin with an arduino strapped to a large firework :P
[09:45] <MooDoo> hehe
[09:47] <MooDoo> hmmmm i think i want to do a documentary or write a book on the ubuntu story ...hmmmmmmm
[09:47] <occupy64k> Ubuntu: the musical
[09:48] <MooDoo> lol never thought of it that way
[09:49] <occupy64k> there is the Jono guitar connection
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> there's the post-UDS karaoke nights..
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> well not really karaoke
[09:49] <occupy64k> heh
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> more "UDS All-Stars"
[09:50] <MooDoo> i'll think about it....i have a few ideas
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: time to open up an etherpad document
[09:58] <MooDoo> hay yeah good idea!
[09:58] <MooDoo> does ubuntu-uk have one?
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ ?
[10:03] <MooDoo> that's the one.
[10:09] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[10:11] <pr0ph3t> has anybody got the Embedded Intel GMA X4500MHD graphics card? I have it but when I try to watch 1080p movies at 1920 x 1080 resolution with HDMI cable connected to my TV on Ubuntu the laptop struggles and the video stutters
[10:12] <pr0ph3t> if I watch it on Windows unfortunately it's very smooth instead
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: If you use vlc, and install i965-va-driver and select "Yes, I want hardware acceleration" in the VLC preferences, it should go better
[10:14] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I'll try that
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: it's in preferences -> (all options, at the bottom) -> codecs -> video codecs -> ffmpeg -> "Hardware decoding"
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: if you install "vainfo" you can see if the library works on your chip
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> there are also va-api drivers for NVidia and ATi
[10:18] <pr0ph3t> I wish I had one of those MartijnVdS, thanks by the way, I'm going to try it now
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> nah hardware h264/mpeg2 decoding will help LOTS
[10:27] <popey> fluendo have a vaapi driver for intel, nvidia and ati, all in one.
[10:27] <popey> its pay for and in the software centre i believe
[10:27] <popey> (morning btw)
[10:34] <pr0ph3t> morning popey
[10:35] <MooDoo> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/okvBziSjFX  - thinking about having a go at something
[10:35] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, what it does is it freezes on a frame occasionally and it starts again after a while blurring the image for a few seconds, do I need to boot maybe to see the difference?
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: shouldn't need to
[10:39] <MooDoo> what a bloody day
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: is the file corrupted?
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: what does vainfo say?
[10:39] <pr0ph3t> there are so many options there though, the file is a 1080p MKV extension x264 video and AC3 sound and DTS which I do not know what it is
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: as long as the video is h264 (=x264), the hardware video decoder should kick in (if you've set the option in the FFMPeg preference screen in  vlc
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> again, vainfo? :)
[10:41] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, vainfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/751261/
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: seems like your hardware only supports hardware-decoding of MPEG-2
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> not h264
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: this is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/751262/
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> "Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Clarkdale"
[10:43] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I see what you mean
[10:44] <pr0ph3t> what annoys me though is that in Windows it works just fine
[10:45] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, could it be a driver problem then?
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: Which version of Ubuntu do you have, and can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin?
[10:47] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, 11.10 64bit running unity 3d http://paste.ubuntu.com/751265/
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> [    20.769] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) GM45
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> should support h.264 decoding in hardware...
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> "Yes with g45-h264 branch"
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> ah so it's a separate branch of the code
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> you'll have find a version of the i965-vaapi-driver
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> with h264 for 4500hd
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libva/?h=g45-h264
[10:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:57] <pr0ph3t> morning brobostigon
[10:57] <brobostigon> o/
[10:57] <brobostigon> morning pr0ph3t
[10:58] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I guess that is the module I need to compile but I'm confused about which one :S
[10:59] <pr0ph3t> this? libva-g45-h264.tar.bz2
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I don't know, probably.. but you'd have to compile, etc.
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> and then it won't be packaged
[11:00] <MooDoo> how is everyone this morning?
[11:01] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, It's ok if I have to compile it
[11:01] <pr0ph3t> MooDoo, I'm better than I was yesterday thank MooDoo and you?
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I'd start with apt-get build-dep [name of va-driver-i965 package]
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> also, file a bug in launchpad abotu having to do this
[11:02] <pr0ph3t> ok
[11:02] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: terrible day at work so far
[11:05] <pr0ph3t> sorry to hear that MooDoo but then again I've never heard anyone saying "wonderful day today at work!"
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> gaaf
[11:06] <MooDoo> pr0ph3t: :)
[11:25] <jacobw> morning
[11:25] <brobostigon> morning jacobw and MooDoo
[11:26] <jacobw> hey brobostigon
[11:26] <jacobw> how do you do?
[11:26] <MooDoo> brobostigon: howdo
[11:26] <brobostigon> jacobw: MooDoo: not bad, alittle cold, otherwise fine. and you?
[11:28] <MooDoo> brobostigon: stressful day at work so far, but thinking about a little ubuntu project, might come to nothing though
[11:29] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i hope it comes to something, it might help relieve some stress.
[11:29] <MooDoo> brobostigon: new job would be good for that :) lol
[11:30] <brobostigon> MooDoo: ah, that isnt so easy to solve.
[11:30] <MooDoo> brobostigon: not really, unless i setup something myself
[11:30] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good point, yes, :)
[11:42] <AlanBell> popey: http://www.waverley.gov.uk/news/article/669/cut_down_your_own_christmas_tree
[11:42] <popey> 17/18 dec is a _touch_ late
[11:42] <AlanBell> it is
[11:43] <AlanBell> but it is good fun, I will probably do that again this year
[11:47] <Myrtti> late?
[11:47] <Myrtti> in Finland the tree is brought in on Christmas eve, and it stays in until 6th or 13th of Jan, unless people chuck it out at New Years
[11:48] <popey> we tend to bring one in at the start of december
[11:48] <Myrtti> yeah, you people are weird :-P
[11:48] <popey> hah
[11:48] <Myrtti> that fact was established loooooong time ago :-P
[11:49] <MooDoo> my neighbour has had their decorations up a week already :S
[11:50] <Myrtti> oh man, I wonder should I do an Amazon wishlist
[11:50] <Myrtti> was looking at some books at the trainstation bookshop but couldn't bring myself to buy them
[11:51] <Rolka> Rolka
[11:59] <Myrtti> popey: ahahah, Target in US apparently sells/sold Honeybadger t-shirts
[11:59] <Myrtti> "honey badger vs cobra" at the top, a picture of the two then "honey badger don't care" underneath
[11:59] <popey> Myrtti: My amazon wishlist is often used by my family when they cant figure out what to get me
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> I can't get my family to go to amazon :|
[12:00] <Myrtti> popey: it's a bit different here, people in general don't use amazon... if I make an Amazon wishlist it's only for the UK contingent of my ackquaintances
[12:01] <Myrtti> I will sell my sister in Finnish equivalent of ebay if I get a new bottle of bath foam or moisturiser for Christmas
[12:07] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: print it out? ;)
[12:21] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, how do I change from GPU to CPU decoding in VLC?
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: turn off the "Hardware acceleration" flag in the Video codecs -> FFMpeg prefefence
[12:31] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, do you mean the Hardware Decoding we added before?
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> hardware = gpu, software = cpu decoding :)
[12:47] <SuprEngr> o/ [bed late last night - up late today - chip butty on the way for breakfast - nom nom]
[12:49]  * SuprEngr castigates self for own lifestyle
[12:49] <RossDoughty> Hello all.
[12:49] <MooDoo> SuprEngr: :P :P RossDoughty hello :)
[12:49] <RossDoughty> Hey :)
[12:50] <SuprEngr> hi MooDoo
[12:53] <SuprEngr> & hi 2u RossDoughty
[12:53] <RossDoughty> Hey SuprEngr
[12:55] <SuprEngr> oooh! naughty BBC News - Prince *of* Wales now apparently known as "Prince Wales" - that'll displease some I know
[12:55] <RossDoughty> Haha
[13:01] <SuprEngr> Any advice on sensors-applet in 10.04?  I now want it to monitor HDD temps but can't remember the requirement to enable this.
[13:02] <SuprEngr> [installed it a while back -it said something like 'to enable this later use dpkg-configure....???]
[13:05] <SuprEngr> [& hdd temp is already installed... disk utility reports temps so theoretically - all ok?]
[13:39] <SuprEngr> sorry for immediate quit then -had an unknown/unwanted & uninvited 'server' suddenly appear
[13:47] <SuprEngr> hmm... chkrootkit & rkhunter show no probs.  has freenode been hacked ?
[13:48] <MooDoo> i wouldn't of thought so
[13:49] <SuprEngr> me to - but the sudden appearance of a nasty  & uninvited server/channel worries me.
[13:50] <SuprEngr> [I would give it's name but that's probably it's intent!
[13:55] <penguin42> how do you mean a server appearing?
[13:55] <SuprEngr> did a whois - result - "unknown server"
[13:56] <penguin42> a whois on what
[13:56] <penguin42> oh, on here - hmm not sure where that comes from
[13:56] <SuprEngr> just 1 channel - a link to something [guessing from name] that I won't mention here
[13:59] <SuprEngr> either way - since closing channel and restart - no reappearance
[15:36] <Azelphur> lol I think something is memory leaking on my machine, I'm apparently using 9GB of ram \o/
[15:37] <Azelphur> ah, chrome using 4.3GB ram
[15:38] <Azelphur> so much for being light xD
[15:38] <popey> yeah, I get that a lot on my machine
[15:38] <popey> switched to ff for some stuff
[15:38] <popey> on my arm laptop I use firefox instead of chrome for this reason
[15:38] <Azelphur> fun
[15:39] <brobostigon> i dont remember seeing a arm/linuc chrome build.
[15:39] <brobostigon> arm/linux*
[15:44] <popey> well, chromium
[15:44] <brobostigon> :)
[15:46] <popey> i dont see why chrome can't be built for arm/linux
[15:46] <popey> especially given Google plan to make arm based chromebooks AIUI
[15:46] <brobostigon> i agree, yes.
[15:50] <penguin42> popey: Indeed it's got a chromium armel deb in: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/
[15:51] <popey> indeed, I'm running it here ☺
[15:51] <penguin42> I know there were some ftbfs bugs on and off with it on arm; it's a pain to debug since the link takes ages
[15:57] <nigelb> hello UK!
[15:57] <popey> hello nigelb
[15:57] <nigelb> hey popey :)
[15:57] <nigelb> Yeah, FF is getting better.
[16:00] <Laney> nigelb in the UK!
[16:00] <nigelb> Laney: hah
[16:00] <popey> Vroom
[16:01] <nigelb> Hrm, I *may* be in UK early next year.
[16:01] <popey> whereabouts?
[16:01] <nigelb> Unsure yet.
[16:01] <nigelb> Probably around London though.
[16:03] <Laney> naaaahhh
[16:04] <nigelb> UK Visa looks like a world of pain though :P
[16:04] <gord> i swear, every router has a built in function to die after a few months =\
[16:04]  * Laney eyes the years old WRT54G across the room
[16:04] <nigelb> heh
[16:04]  * popey hugs his netgear wndr3700
[16:06] <gord> mine just randomly doesn't let some things make connections now until i reboot it.. its weird, steam won't connect right now. sometimes mumble. sometimes email
[16:06] <ali1234> sounds like the ip_conntrack "bug"
[16:06]  * Nafallo shrugs
[16:07] <Nafallo> my stuff works ;-)
[16:07] <Nafallo> various versions of WRTs, running dd-wrt or tomato.
[16:07] <nigelb> My router has been working for 2 years on stock firmware.
[16:07] <nigelb> it does die occasionally.
[16:08] <nigelb> But a restart fixes it.
[16:08] <Nafallo> mine died ~2w ago. I just changing power strip.
[16:08] <Nafallo> s/just/was/
[16:08] <nigelb> Ouch.
[16:09] <Nafallo> no no. it's better now. the big one on the sofa where I use most of my devices and external hard drives :-)
[16:09] <Nafallo> and two slots spare on the UK one in the bedroom/
[16:21] <pikaciu> hi there
[16:30] <daubers> Evening
[16:31] <penguin42> I guess it is
[16:31] <Darael> It certainly is here.  In fact, perhaps I should go and hang about in #ubuntu-in for the next six months...
[16:32] <penguin42> you mean somewhere warmer?
[16:32] <Darael> India certainly /is/ warmer, but I was meaning that since I'm not currently /in/ the UK, perhaps I should go and visit the channel for a more appropriate LoCo.
[16:34] <daubers> my local loco is ubuntu-mars
[16:34] <penguin42> daubers: Well, I guess someone had to be the onsite support guy for that rover
[16:35] <daubers> Yup, talk about a long commute!
[16:36] <daubers> 158 million miles each day certainly does eat the old diesel
[16:37] <penguin42> yeh, especially when you remember you left the screwdriver at home
[16:47] <Myrtti> ahahahhahaha
[16:48] <Myrtti> FACT: Cottage cheese is actually minced meat of moomins
[16:54] <matti> ?
[16:55] <Nafallo> hahaha
[16:55] <matti> #notthatfunny
[16:55] <Nafallo> hilarious! :-D
[16:56] <matti> Not really :-)
[16:56] <matti> Unless you are 5 year old ;)
[16:56] <Nafallo> you might have to grow up with the finnish speaking moomins to get it ;-)
[16:56] <Nafallo> like I did
[16:56] <matti> Ah.
[16:56] <matti> Thank God I did not ;)
[16:57] <Nafallo> I can't stop giggling...
[16:57] <Nafallo> damn it Myrtti, did you have to :-P
[16:57] <matti> Enjoy yourself ;)
[16:58] <Nafallo> well, it's better than drooling for the food I just ordered :-)
[16:58] <MooDoo> moomintroll :D
[16:58] <MooDoo> the only proper moomins were the fuzzy felt moomins, none of this cartoony rubbish :D
[16:59] <Nafallo> hrm. actually, it was Swedish with Finnish accents.
[16:59] <Myrtti> Nafallo: I just saw a picture in Facebook or somewhere about a Swedish shop freezer bin with a sign "Moominfärs 6,96kr/kg" or something
[16:59] <Myrtti> I just can't find it anymore
[16:59] <Nafallo> Myrtti: share it on my wall when you do :-)
[16:59] <Nafallo> Myrtti: that way my mum will see it ;-)
[16:59] <matti> Heh ;)
[17:00] <matti> You guys are weird ;)
[17:00] <MooDoo> matti: and that surprises you why? ;)9
[17:00] <MooDoo> ;)
[17:00] <matti> Good point.
[17:00] <matti> ;)
[17:01] <Nafallo> I should have awesome food in 50mins!
[17:01] <Nafallo> omnomnom
[17:01] <Nafallo> this is a good reason to open a bottle of wine :-)
[17:02] <matti> Deep fried mooins I presume ;)
[17:03] <Nafallo> crispy duck rolls, crispy seaweed, singapore style noodles and honeycomb ice cream
[17:03] <matti> Sounds nice ;(
[17:03] <matti> Ops.
[17:04] <matti> ;)
[17:04] <Nafallo> you're not supposed to be sorry about that indeed ;--)
[17:04]  * penguin42 wonders what makes a noodle singapore style
[17:04] <Nafallo> s/\-\-/\-/
[17:04] <Nafallo> a combination of meat, shrimps, vegetables and spices
[17:04] <Nafallo> all kinds of meat!
[17:05] <Myrtti> I just had my most marvelous vegan stew
[17:05] <Myrtti> and I'm not a vegan, I'm just boring
[17:05] <Nafallo> I'm a little addicted to it though. I think I've ordered the same the last 10 times I've ordered from Noodle St. :-P
[17:05] <Nafallo> Myrtti: are you sure it was vegan?
[17:06]  * brobostigon has no idea, what he is doing for tea.
[17:06] <Myrtti> Nafallo: I made it from scratch myself so yes
[17:06] <Nafallo> I don't think moomins counts as vegan...
[17:06] <Myrtti> mirepoix, tomatos and lentils
[17:07] <Nafallo> hmm. french.
[17:08] <Nafallo> just like my red wine.
[17:08] <Nafallo> omnomnom
[17:10] <Myrtti> Nafallo: celery, carrot and onion basically, tossed in a pan in oil
[17:10] <Nafallo> Myrtti: yeah. wikipedia told me :-)
[17:11] <Myrtti> Hairy Bikers told me
[17:13] <Nafallo> right
[17:13]  * Nafallo backs off
[17:13] <Nafallo> hrm
[17:14] <Nafallo> actualy. they wouldn't harm me. I'm hairy too!
[17:27] <MarquessDeBonBon> brobostigon: you should have a minute's silence before tea for Speedy.
[17:27] <brobostigon> MarquessDeBonBon: huh ?
[17:27] <MarquessDeBonBon> GARY SPEED IS DEAD
[17:27] <MarquessDeBonBon> Watch the news you insensitive clod.
[17:27] <brobostigon> who is he?
[17:27] <AlanBell> who?
[17:27] <MarquessDeBonBon> You're all insensitive bastards.
[17:27] <MooDoo> some footy player
[17:27] <MarquessDeBonBon> AlanBell, you call yourself Welsh.
[17:28] <MarquessDeBonBon> Yet you don't know who Gary Speed is?
[17:28] <AlanBell> MarquessDeBonBon: no, I don't
[17:28] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Speed
[17:28] <jacobw> real welsh play rugby :|
[17:28] <MarquessDeBonBon> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15908380.stm
[17:30] <Nafallo> !speed
[17:31] <Nafallo> DOH
[17:31] <Nafallo> thanks lubotu3`
[17:31] <MooDoo> i guess lubotu3 doesn't care about football either :D
[17:32] <MooDoo> later all
[17:34] <Nafallo> very wise
[17:43]  * AlanBell gets a mention on the Shuttleworth blog
[17:45] <penguin42> cor - what did you do?
[17:45] <brobostigon> :)
[17:45] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/918
[17:46] <AlanBell> I was trying to give the Ubuntu on TV project a bit of guidance in how to share design sketches
[17:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> AlanBell, congratulations are in order.
[17:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> You're now the most famous of us all.
[18:29] <jacobw> AlanBell: do you think performance issues with the architecture of unity, i.e. compiz will hinder integration with high performance televisions?
[18:29] <AlanBell> no
[18:30] <AlanBell> for multiple reasons
[18:30] <AlanBell> firstly, it performs fine
[18:30] <AlanBell> secondly the TV thing will brobably be Qt/QML based or possibly xbmc based or possibly something different, probably nothing to do with compiz either way
[18:32] <danfish> AlanBell: I hear there's a debian/xbmc project along those lines for the Raspberry Pi
[18:33] <Myrtti> wohoo sleet
[18:35] <AlanBell> danfish: interesting stuff
[18:35]  * AlanBell wants a Raspberry Pi
[18:36]  * danfish wants a number of them :)
[18:37] <danfish> I think my arduino collection will find it's way into a dark cupboard
[18:37] <jacobw> Qt5 will run on Raspberry Pi
[18:37] <jacobw> 'Qt Pi' :D
[18:39] <penguin42> jacobw: Have you seen the insane amount of whizzy graphics on some new TVs - frankly unity is fast compared to one of my TVs
[18:39] <jacobw> penguin42: i must admit i'm not so well informed on the new developments of smart/connected TV
[18:40] <penguin42> jacobw: Our Sony bravia's take about 30s to boot and have shaded overlays with things that scroll round to choose different devices etc etc
[18:40] <penguin42> jacobw: They're Linux based (not sure what else is in there), Panasonic ones seem to run FreeBSD
[18:40] <AlanBell> sky+ boxes run linux
[18:40] <danfish> penguin42: I used to have a media PC under the TV, but with the new one it has a rather good dlna client
[18:41] <AlanBell> they did an over-the-air reflash from BSD to linux
[18:41] <danfish> AlanBell: a very brave move by Sky!
[18:41]  * AlanBell would not have wanted to be the person pressing the release button on that one
[18:41] <iswan> new user?
[18:42] <penguin42> AlanBell: I guess if they do whole image reflashes for updates anyway then it might be no different; still I wonder how they made the GPL offer during the upgrade
[18:42] <danfish> AlanBell: I hope he/she got a very nice bonus (and a healthy supply of valium!)
[18:44] <jacobw> welcome iswan :)
[18:44] <AlanBell> penguin42: the GPL is in the settings area
[18:44] <AlanBell> you don't need to accept the GPL, it isn't an EULA
[18:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> Does Sky+ let you export recordings to USB storage?
[18:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> It should do this.
[18:47] <penguin42> AlanBell: Ah true I guess
[18:48] <penguin42> AlanBell: My Bravia TV came with almost no paper docs, except for 1) A diagram showing you which button on the remote to get the docs and 2) A copy of the GPL and a few other licenses
[19:03] <Myrtti> Nafallo: found it :-D
[19:10] <Nafallo> Myrtti: HAHAHA
[19:19] <AlanBell> MarquessDeBonBon: no, pretty sure it does not
[19:40]  * penguin42 wonders if MS purposely get MS Visual studio ads on pages about Android dev
[19:46] <ali1234> of course they do
[19:47] <ali1234> but what MS doesn't realise is they can have the best development tools and the best OS but it won't matter at all if nobody trusts them
[19:55] <tombrough> Visual Studio is a good development suite ?
[19:57] <ali1234> it beats the hell out of eclipse
[19:58]  * AlanBell uses gedit
[19:59] <ali1234> i dislike languages that all but require the use of a complex IDE, which is why i don't often write code in java or .net
[20:00] <ali1234> have you ever tried to develop a java app from scratch using only gedit and command line compilers?
[20:01] <ali1234> if you make a new project in eclipse, you can't build it without eclipse
[20:01] <ali1234> cos all you get is an xml file that is processed by some eclipse plugin
[20:09] <AlanBell> yeah, nasty
[20:09] <popey> evening
[20:09] <AlanBell> I only tend to modify bits of things, so I edit one file at a time typically
[20:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:10] <czajkowski> interesting light display going on millbank tower this evening
[20:10] <AlanBell> I don't do major dev projects any more, when I did it was on Lotus Notes so that was an integrated (and rubbish) IDE anyway
[20:11] <jacobw> an integrated integrated development environment?
[20:11] <zleap> hi
[20:11] <tombrough> I suppose that might be true that "it beats the hell out off Eclipse" but I don't think I would trust the MS compliers and linkers like I trust GNU.
[20:11]  * daubers is very confused by house buying
[20:12] <tombrough> buy a tent ...
[20:12] <tombrough> much less inheritance tax on a tent.
[20:12] <Darael> tombrough, daubers: uh... yurt++?
[20:12] <zleap> hey tom
[20:12] <tombrough> hi zleap
[20:13] <daubers> Looked at a house twice over the weekend, was almost ready to put down a deposit, looked at the crime statistics, now really not sure, but the more you look at crime statistics the more you realise that EVERYWHERE is crap
[20:13] <zleap> long time no see / chat
[20:13] <czajkowski> hmmm cannot see what signs are being displayed on millbank
[20:13] <czajkowski> most annoying
[20:13] <czajkowski> but going on for the last hour
[20:13] <zleap> i am looking for a box thing so I can plug an internal dvd drive into a emachines 1401, (no dvd drive built in)
[20:14] <zleap> i don't know wjhat to search for on ebuyer
[20:14] <tombrough> yeah been busy getting my head around Oracle's (very broken)  Xen Management system
[20:14] <zleap> ah
[20:14] <zleap> you have been working on that for months
[20:15] <tombrough> I wanted to buy some "peace and goodwill" for this Christmas but I couldn't find it in any shops. :-(
[20:15] <zleap> aww
[20:15] <zleap> anyway any suggestions in to plugging in a internal cd drive thing into a box then inot a pc
[20:16] <zleap> i can buy external dvd-rw drives, however i have a few internal ones lying around so if  i can make use of those first i will
[20:16] <zleap> you cando this with hard disks, so i assume its the same for optical devices
[20:17] <tombrough> usb to ide converter ?
[20:17] <zleap> yeah
[20:17] <zleap> but is it possible to have it so i put the dvd drive in a casing too
[20:17] <zleap> looks nicer
[20:18] <tombrough> used to be possible to get cases but Im not sure if thats true these days.
[20:18] <zleap> ok
[20:18] <zleap> maybe its easier to just spend <25 quid on an external dvd drive
[20:18] <zleap> i can use it for the netbook then too
[20:18] <popey> czajkowski: its microsoft/nokia
[20:18] <popey> I believe
[20:19] <popey> probably a rehearsal for tomorrow nights launch
[20:19] <popey> http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-to-take-on-millbank-tower-in-london-to-promote-lumia-devices/
[20:20] <czajkowski> popey: ahhhh
[20:20]  * czajkowski didnt realise she could see millbank from the couch 
[20:20] <czajkowski> always looked right and saw the eye never looked left to millbank
[20:21] <popey> wonder if Canonical will do anything to help nokia celebrate
[20:22] <AlanBell> cool, those building 3d projection show things are amazing
[20:22] <czajkowski> ohhh video on now
[20:22] <czajkowski> deadly
[20:23] <czajkowski> popey: it would help if canonical turned off the light on their floor
[20:23] <czajkowski> fecking the display up
[20:23] <popey> they have to
[20:23] <popey> the whole building has to switch off lights
[20:23] <popey> for the display to work
[20:23] <Nafallo> czajkowski: well, ms/nokia obviously doesn't know their own schedule ;-)
[20:23] <czajkowski> popey: ahh ok well most of the lgiths are on tonight
[20:24] <popey> yeah, because they weren't told to turn off tonight
[20:24] <popey> its rehearsal
[20:24] <czajkowski> gotcha
[20:24] <czajkowski> it's really good actually
[20:24] <popey> deadmau5 will be there
[20:24] <popey> as will some celebs
[20:24] <Nafallo> popey: you sure they are not following time.microsoft.com or something? :-p
[20:24] <popey> haha
[20:24] <czajkowski> http://glow-london.blogspot.com/2011/11/glow-on-november-28th.html
[20:25] <czajkowski> maybe we can move the GLOW event to Millbank :)
[20:25] <czajkowski> who's deadma5u5
[20:25] <popey> google
[20:26] <ali1234> he's the guy that made that song that is used when youtube detects copyright infringement on your audio track
[20:26] <ali1234> you know that really annoying one that is on all videos ever
[20:26] <popey> probably would if I heard it
[20:26] <ali1234> you have
[20:26] <popey> doesn't spring to mind ho
[20:26] <popey> ☺
[20:27] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfgc4i7W-68
[20:28] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1CvO1IQxY
[20:37] <nigelb> Did popey just add a snowman to the /topic? :)
[20:37] <popey> yes
[20:37] <nigelb> Nice!
[20:37] <gord> i'm on windows so i can't see it :(
[20:38]  * nigelb banishes gord 
[20:38] <nigelb> ;)
[20:38] <nigelb> But wait, you can install the Ubuntu font in Windows right?
[20:39] <nigelb> UbuntuMono should let you see it.
[20:40] <gord> i am using ubuntu, windows is just crap with unicode at the best of times
[20:41] <nigelb> ah, heh.
[20:43] <nigelb> Hrm, this thunderbird compiling is going to take a few hours at the least.
[21:06] <AlanBell> nigelb: do you know how to launch a .xpi from firefox instead of xulrunner?
[21:07] <AlanBell> expanding the xpi http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx and running firefox --app application.ini doesn't seem to do anything
[21:28] <nigelb> AlanBell: is it an extension?
[21:28] <AlanBell> yes
[21:29] <nigelb> go to about:addons and click the button right next to the search on top right and say "Install Add-on from file"
[21:29] <nigelb> That should let you install it.
[21:29] <AlanBell> yeah, I know how to install it
[21:29] <AlanBell> it is great
[21:29] <nigelb> Ah, you want it to be associated with firefox?
[21:30] <nigelb> instead of archive thing?
[21:30] <AlanBell> it would be nice to have it independently launchable
[21:30] <nigelb> Because xpi is essentially a compression format, Ubuntu gets archive manager associted with it.
[21:30] <AlanBell> it really is very little to do with Firefox, it just happens to be based on xul
[21:31] <AlanBell> but we have no xulrunner any more
[21:31] <nigelb> Oh.
[21:31] <nigelb> That I did not know.
[21:31] <nigelb> I don't use firefox from packages these days.
[21:31] <AlanBell> because the mozilla release schedule is so fast xulrunner got dropped
[21:32] <AlanBell> in theory you can use "firefox --app" instead of xulrunner
[21:34] <popey> --app doesnt show up in firefox --help
[21:37] <AlanBell> single -
[21:37] <AlanBell> http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2007/08/firefox-3-xul-application-runtime/
[21:38] <AlanBell> firefox -app flibble
[21:38] <AlanBell> application.ini path not recognized: 'flibble'
[21:38] <popey> either way it doesnt show up
[21:38] <AlanBell> it is doing *something* and is looking for an application.ini
[22:13] <cliftonts> Hi all
[22:13] <cliftonts> MooDoo: u there?
[22:16] <cliftonts> ok, is anybody there?
[22:20] <popey> yes
[22:20] <cliftonts> wow! life!
[22:20] <cliftonts> how's it going?
[22:36] <cliftonts> I assume that means IRC servers?
[23:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [oimon] When good disks go bad - http://oimon.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/when-good-disks-go-bad/
[23:10] <MarquessDeBonBon> "Store an additional copy on a trusted cloud provider e.g. ubuntu one/amazon s3/dropbox (decide whether to encrypt or not)" lol Dropbox.
[23:10] <MarquessDeBonBon> Amazon is one of a few credible choices.
[23:34] <ali1234> i have a stack of disks like that
[23:34] <ali1234> no anti static bags though
[23:34] <ali1234> they're just on  a shelf
[23:37] <popey> same here
[23:38] <popey> including a couple of SSDs now ⍨
[23:38] <hamitron> popey, you've moved onto some smiley I don't have? :/
[23:39] <popey> heh, sorry
[23:47] <ali1234> hmm next to the hard drives i found a bag of pogs and a box full of furry batteries
[23:47] <nigelb> ⍨ <-- that is a cute smiley ;)
[23:55]  * popey had to google pogs