[00:35] but it works! [01:13] Calibre is a full featured mammoth of an app [01:21] uupc talked to the creator of calibre a couple of series past [01:40] missing private messages is a serious disadvantage of irssi+screen [01:40] * jacobw investigates fnotify [08:16] morning - happy Morris Dancing day all! [08:25] jacobw: it shows red numbers in the status bar [08:25] jacobw: how can you miss those? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:56] Morning all [08:56] \o [08:59] morning all [09:12] Moo [09:12] just the 3 of us then is it? [09:13] for the moment :), i'm at work [09:13] Me too [09:14] cliftonts: what you do for a living? [09:14] I sell linux systems at computer fairs [09:14] awesome :) [09:14] cliftonts: how is it going? [09:14] first one today actually [09:15] so ask me at about 5pm lol [09:15] roger will do :) have fun :) [09:15] I'm in Tolworth, Surrey today [09:28] ah Tolworth - gateway to Surbiton ;) [09:32] suborbiton? [09:35] MartijnVdS: something like that [09:36] danfish: It would be great name for the first British space station ;) [09:43] MartijnVdS: true. There was a British space program once...was actually quite promising and relatively cheap [09:44] i thought there was a british space program of sorts.... [09:44] Isn't it all part of ESA now? [09:45] MooDoo: yes - a chap in Guildford called Kevin with an arduino strapped to a large firework :P [09:45] hehe [09:47] hmmmm i think i want to do a documentary or write a book on the ubuntu story ...hmmmmmmm [09:47] Ubuntu: the musical [09:48] lol never thought of it that way [09:49] there is the Jono guitar connection [09:49] there's the post-UDS karaoke nights.. [09:49] well not really karaoke [09:49] heh [09:49] more "UDS All-Stars" [09:50] i'll think about it....i have a few ideas [09:55] MooDoo: time to open up an etherpad document [09:58] hay yeah good idea! [09:58] does ubuntu-uk have one? [10:03] MooDoo: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ ? [10:03] that's the one. [10:09] hi all [10:11] has anybody got the Embedded Intel GMA X4500MHD graphics card? I have it but when I try to watch 1080p movies at 1920 x 1080 resolution with HDMI cable connected to my TV on Ubuntu the laptop struggles and the video stutters [10:12] if I watch it on Windows unfortunately it's very smooth instead [10:13] pr0ph3t: If you use vlc, and install i965-va-driver and select "Yes, I want hardware acceleration" in the VLC preferences, it should go better [10:14] MartijnVdS, I'll try that [10:14] pr0ph3t: it's in preferences -> (all options, at the bottom) -> codecs -> video codecs -> ffmpeg -> "Hardware decoding" [10:14] pr0ph3t: if you install "vainfo" you can see if the library works on your chip [10:18] there are also va-api drivers for NVidia and ATi [10:18] I wish I had one of those MartijnVdS, thanks by the way, I'm going to try it now [10:19] nah hardware h264/mpeg2 decoding will help LOTS [10:27] fluendo have a vaapi driver for intel, nvidia and ati, all in one. [10:27] its pay for and in the software centre i believe [10:27] (morning btw) [10:34] morning popey [10:35] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/okvBziSjFX - thinking about having a go at something [10:35] MartijnVdS, what it does is it freezes on a frame occasionally and it starts again after a while blurring the image for a few seconds, do I need to boot maybe to see the difference? [10:39] pr0ph3t: shouldn't need to [10:39] what a bloody day [10:39] pr0ph3t: is the file corrupted? [10:39] pr0ph3t: what does vainfo say? [10:39] there are so many options there though, the file is a 1080p MKV extension x264 video and AC3 sound and DTS which I do not know what it is [10:40] pr0ph3t: as long as the video is h264 (=x264), the hardware video decoder should kick in (if you've set the option in the FFMPeg preference screen in vlc [10:40] again, vainfo? :) [10:41] MartijnVdS, vainfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/751261/ [10:42] pr0ph3t: seems like your hardware only supports hardware-decoding of MPEG-2 [10:42] not h264 [10:42] pr0ph3t: this is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/751262/ [10:43] "Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Clarkdale" [10:43] MartijnVdS, I see what you mean [10:44] what annoys me though is that in Windows it works just fine [10:45] MartijnVdS, could it be a driver problem then? [10:46] pr0ph3t: Which version of Ubuntu do you have, and can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin? [10:47] MartijnVdS, 11.10 64bit running unity 3d http://paste.ubuntu.com/751265/ [10:48] [ 20.769] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) GM45 [10:48] should support h.264 decoding in hardware... [10:48] "Yes with g45-h264 branch" [10:49] ah so it's a separate branch of the code [10:49] you'll have find a version of the i965-vaapi-driver [10:49] with h264 for 4500hd [10:52] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libva/?h=g45-h264 [10:57] good morning everyone. [10:57] \o [10:57] morning brobostigon [10:57] o/ [10:57] morning pr0ph3t [10:58] MartijnVdS, I guess that is the module I need to compile but I'm confused about which one :S [10:59] this? libva-g45-h264.tar.bz2 [11:00] pr0ph3t: I don't know, probably.. but you'd have to compile, etc. [11:00] and then it won't be packaged [11:00] how is everyone this morning? [11:01] MartijnVdS, It's ok if I have to compile it [11:01] MooDoo, I'm better than I was yesterday thank MooDoo and you? [11:01] pr0ph3t: I'd start with apt-get build-dep [name of va-driver-i965 package] [11:02] also, file a bug in launchpad abotu having to do this [11:02] ok [11:02] pr0ph3t: terrible day at work so far [11:05] sorry to hear that MooDoo but then again I've never heard anyone saying "wonderful day today at work!" [11:05] gaaf [11:06] pr0ph3t: :) [11:25] morning [11:25] morning jacobw and MooDoo [11:26] hey brobostigon [11:26] how do you do? [11:26] brobostigon: howdo [11:26] jacobw: MooDoo: not bad, alittle cold, otherwise fine. and you? [11:28] brobostigon: stressful day at work so far, but thinking about a little ubuntu project, might come to nothing though [11:29] MooDoo: i hope it comes to something, it might help relieve some stress. [11:29] brobostigon: new job would be good for that :) lol [11:30] MooDoo: ah, that isnt so easy to solve. [11:30] brobostigon: not really, unless i setup something myself [11:30] MooDoo: good point, yes, :) [11:42] popey: http://www.waverley.gov.uk/news/article/669/cut_down_your_own_christmas_tree [11:42] 17/18 dec is a _touch_ late [11:42] it is [11:43] but it is good fun, I will probably do that again this year [11:47] late? [11:47] in Finland the tree is brought in on Christmas eve, and it stays in until 6th or 13th of Jan, unless people chuck it out at New Years [11:48] we tend to bring one in at the start of december [11:48] yeah, you people are weird :-P [11:48] hah [11:48] that fact was established loooooong time ago :-P [11:49] my neighbour has had their decorations up a week already :S [11:50] oh man, I wonder should I do an Amazon wishlist [11:50] was looking at some books at the trainstation bookshop but couldn't bring myself to buy them [11:51] Rolka [11:59] popey: ahahah, Target in US apparently sells/sold Honeybadger t-shirts [11:59] "honey badger vs cobra" at the top, a picture of the two then "honey badger don't care" underneath [11:59] Myrtti: My amazon wishlist is often used by my family when they cant figure out what to get me [12:00] I can't get my family to go to amazon :| [12:00] popey: it's a bit different here, people in general don't use amazon... if I make an Amazon wishlist it's only for the UK contingent of my ackquaintances [12:01] I will sell my sister in Finnish equivalent of ebay if I get a new bottle of bath foam or moisturiser for Christmas [12:07] MartijnVdS: print it out? ;) [12:21] MartijnVdS, how do I change from GPU to CPU decoding in VLC? [12:30] pr0ph3t: turn off the "Hardware acceleration" flag in the Video codecs -> FFMpeg prefefence [12:31] MartijnVdS, do you mean the Hardware Decoding we added before? [12:44] yes [12:44] hardware = gpu, software = cpu decoding :) [12:47] o/ [bed late last night - up late today - chip butty on the way for breakfast - nom nom] [12:49] * SuprEngr castigates self for own lifestyle [12:49] Hello all. [12:49] SuprEngr: :P :P RossDoughty hello :) [12:49] Hey :) [12:50] hi MooDoo [12:53] & hi 2u RossDoughty [12:53] Hey SuprEngr [12:55] oooh! naughty BBC News - Prince *of* Wales now apparently known as "Prince Wales" - that'll displease some I know [12:55] Haha [13:01] Any advice on sensors-applet in 10.04? I now want it to monitor HDD temps but can't remember the requirement to enable this. === monsterwizard is now known as colavottle [13:02] [installed it a while back -it said something like 'to enable this later use dpkg-configure....???] === colavottle is now known as colacan [13:05] [& hdd temp is already installed... disk utility reports temps so theoretically - all ok?] [13:39] sorry for immediate quit then -had an unknown/unwanted & uninvited 'server' suddenly appear [13:47] hmm... chkrootkit & rkhunter show no probs. has freenode been hacked ? [13:48] i wouldn't of thought so [13:49] me to - but the sudden appearance of a nasty & uninvited server/channel worries me. [13:50] [I would give it's name but that's probably it's intent! [13:55] how do you mean a server appearing? [13:55] did a whois - result - "unknown server" [13:56] a whois on what [13:56] oh, on here - hmm not sure where that comes from [13:56] just 1 channel - a link to something [guessing from name] that I won't mention here [13:59] either way - since closing channel and restart - no reappearance === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:36] lol I think something is memory leaking on my machine, I'm apparently using 9GB of ram \o/ [15:37] ah, chrome using 4.3GB ram [15:38] so much for being light xD [15:38] yeah, I get that a lot on my machine [15:38] switched to ff for some stuff [15:38] on my arm laptop I use firefox instead of chrome for this reason [15:38] fun [15:39] i dont remember seeing a arm/linuc chrome build. [15:39] arm/linux* [15:44] well, chromium [15:44] :) [15:46] i dont see why chrome can't be built for arm/linux [15:46] especially given Google plan to make arm based chromebooks AIUI [15:46] i agree, yes. [15:50] popey: Indeed it's got a chromium armel deb in: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/ [15:51] indeed, I'm running it here ☺ [15:51] I know there were some ftbfs bugs on and off with it on arm; it's a pain to debug since the link takes ages [15:57] hello UK! [15:57] hello nigelb [15:57] hey popey :) [15:57] Yeah, FF is getting better. [16:00] nigelb in the UK! [16:00] Laney: hah [16:00] Vroom [16:01] Hrm, I *may* be in UK early next year. [16:01] whereabouts? [16:01] Unsure yet. [16:01] Probably around London though. [16:03] naaaahhh [16:04] UK Visa looks like a world of pain though :P [16:04] i swear, every router has a built in function to die after a few months =\ [16:04] * Laney eyes the years old WRT54G across the room [16:04] heh [16:04] * popey hugs his netgear wndr3700 [16:06] mine just randomly doesn't let some things make connections now until i reboot it.. its weird, steam won't connect right now. sometimes mumble. sometimes email [16:06] sounds like the ip_conntrack "bug" [16:06] * Nafallo shrugs [16:07] my stuff works ;-) [16:07] various versions of WRTs, running dd-wrt or tomato. [16:07] My router has been working for 2 years on stock firmware. [16:07] it does die occasionally. [16:08] But a restart fixes it. [16:08] mine died ~2w ago. I just changing power strip. [16:08] s/just/was/ [16:08] Ouch. [16:09] no no. it's better now. the big one on the sofa where I use most of my devices and external hard drives :-) [16:09] and two slots spare on the UK one in the bedroom/ [16:21] hi there [16:30] Evening [16:31] I guess it is [16:31] It certainly is here. In fact, perhaps I should go and hang about in #ubuntu-in for the next six months... [16:32] you mean somewhere warmer? [16:32] India certainly /is/ warmer, but I was meaning that since I'm not currently /in/ the UK, perhaps I should go and visit the channel for a more appropriate LoCo. [16:34] my local loco is ubuntu-mars [16:34] daubers: Well, I guess someone had to be the onsite support guy for that rover [16:35] Yup, talk about a long commute! [16:36] 158 million miles each day certainly does eat the old diesel [16:37] yeh, especially when you remember you left the screwdriver at home [16:47] ahahahhahaha [16:48] FACT: Cottage cheese is actually minced meat of moomins [16:54] ? [16:55] hahaha [16:55] #notthatfunny [16:55] hilarious! :-D [16:56] Not really :-) [16:56] Unless you are 5 year old ;) [16:56] you might have to grow up with the finnish speaking moomins to get it ;-) [16:56] like I did [16:56] Ah. [16:56] Thank God I did not ;) [16:57] I can't stop giggling... [16:57] damn it Myrtti, did you have to :-P [16:57] Enjoy yourself ;) [16:58] well, it's better than drooling for the food I just ordered :-) [16:58] moomintroll :D [16:58] the only proper moomins were the fuzzy felt moomins, none of this cartoony rubbish :D [16:59] hrm. actually, it was Swedish with Finnish accents. [16:59] Nafallo: I just saw a picture in Facebook or somewhere about a Swedish shop freezer bin with a sign "Moominfärs 6,96kr/kg" or something [16:59] I just can't find it anymore [16:59] Myrtti: share it on my wall when you do :-) [16:59] Myrtti: that way my mum will see it ;-) [16:59] Heh ;) [17:00] You guys are weird ;) [17:00] matti: and that surprises you why? ;)9 [17:00] ;) [17:00] Good point. [17:00] ;) [17:01] I should have awesome food in 50mins! [17:01] omnomnom [17:01] this is a good reason to open a bottle of wine :-) [17:02] Deep fried mooins I presume ;) [17:03] crispy duck rolls, crispy seaweed, singapore style noodles and honeycomb ice cream [17:03] Sounds nice ;( [17:03] Ops. [17:04] ;) [17:04] you're not supposed to be sorry about that indeed ;--) [17:04] * penguin42 wonders what makes a noodle singapore style [17:04] s/\-\-/\-/ [17:04] a combination of meat, shrimps, vegetables and spices === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:04] all kinds of meat! [17:05] I just had my most marvelous vegan stew [17:05] and I'm not a vegan, I'm just boring [17:05] I'm a little addicted to it though. I think I've ordered the same the last 10 times I've ordered from Noodle St. :-P [17:05] Myrtti: are you sure it was vegan? [17:06] * brobostigon has no idea, what he is doing for tea. [17:06] Nafallo: I made it from scratch myself so yes [17:06] I don't think moomins counts as vegan... [17:06] mirepoix, tomatos and lentils [17:07] hmm. french. [17:08] just like my red wine. [17:08] omnomnom [17:10] Nafallo: celery, carrot and onion basically, tossed in a pan in oil [17:10] Myrtti: yeah. wikipedia told me :-) [17:11] Hairy Bikers told me [17:13] right [17:13] * Nafallo backs off [17:13] hrm [17:14] actualy. they wouldn't harm me. I'm hairy too! [17:27] brobostigon: you should have a minute's silence before tea for Speedy. [17:27] MarquessDeBonBon: huh ? [17:27] GARY SPEED IS DEAD [17:27] Watch the news you insensitive clod. [17:27] who is he? [17:27] who? [17:27] You're all insensitive bastards. [17:27] some footy player [17:27] AlanBell, you call yourself Welsh. [17:28] Yet you don't know who Gary Speed is? [17:28] MarquessDeBonBon: no, I don't [17:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Speed [17:28] real welsh play rugby :| [17:28] http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15908380.stm [17:30] !speed [17:31] DOH [17:31] thanks lubotu3` [17:31] i guess lubotu3 doesn't care about football either :D [17:32] later all [17:34] very wise [17:43] * AlanBell gets a mention on the Shuttleworth blog [17:45] cor - what did you do? [17:45] :) [17:45] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/918 [17:46] I was trying to give the Ubuntu on TV project a bit of guidance in how to share design sketches [17:46] AlanBell, congratulations are in order. [17:47] You're now the most famous of us all. [18:29] AlanBell: do you think performance issues with the architecture of unity, i.e. compiz will hinder integration with high performance televisions? [18:29] no [18:30] for multiple reasons [18:30] firstly, it performs fine [18:30] secondly the TV thing will brobably be Qt/QML based or possibly xbmc based or possibly something different, probably nothing to do with compiz either way [18:32] AlanBell: I hear there's a debian/xbmc project along those lines for the Raspberry Pi [18:33] wohoo sleet [18:35] danfish: interesting stuff [18:35] * AlanBell wants a Raspberry Pi [18:36] * danfish wants a number of them :) [18:37] I think my arduino collection will find it's way into a dark cupboard [18:37] Qt5 will run on Raspberry Pi [18:37] 'Qt Pi' :D [18:39] jacobw: Have you seen the insane amount of whizzy graphics on some new TVs - frankly unity is fast compared to one of my TVs [18:39] penguin42: i must admit i'm not so well informed on the new developments of smart/connected TV [18:40] jacobw: Our Sony bravia's take about 30s to boot and have shaded overlays with things that scroll round to choose different devices etc etc [18:40] jacobw: They're Linux based (not sure what else is in there), Panasonic ones seem to run FreeBSD [18:40] sky+ boxes run linux [18:40] penguin42: I used to have a media PC under the TV, but with the new one it has a rather good dlna client [18:41] they did an over-the-air reflash from BSD to linux [18:41] AlanBell: a very brave move by Sky! [18:41] * AlanBell would not have wanted to be the person pressing the release button on that one [18:41] new user? [18:42] AlanBell: I guess if they do whole image reflashes for updates anyway then it might be no different; still I wonder how they made the GPL offer during the upgrade [18:42] AlanBell: I hope he/she got a very nice bonus (and a healthy supply of valium!) [18:44] welcome iswan :) [18:44] penguin42: the GPL is in the settings area [18:44] you don't need to accept the GPL, it isn't an EULA [18:47] Does Sky+ let you export recordings to USB storage? [18:47] It should do this. [18:47] AlanBell: Ah true I guess [18:48] AlanBell: My Bravia TV came with almost no paper docs, except for 1) A diagram showing you which button on the remote to get the docs and 2) A copy of the GPL and a few other licenses [19:03] Nafallo: found it :-D [19:10] Myrtti: HAHAHA [19:19] MarquessDeBonBon: no, pretty sure it does not [19:40] * penguin42 wonders if MS purposely get MS Visual studio ads on pages about Android dev [19:46] of course they do [19:47] but what MS doesn't realise is they can have the best development tools and the best OS but it won't matter at all if nobody trusts them [19:55] Visual Studio is a good development suite ? [19:57] it beats the hell out of eclipse [19:58] * AlanBell uses gedit [19:59] i dislike languages that all but require the use of a complex IDE, which is why i don't often write code in java or .net [20:00] have you ever tried to develop a java app from scratch using only gedit and command line compilers? [20:01] if you make a new project in eclipse, you can't build it without eclipse [20:01] cos all you get is an xml file that is processed by some eclipse plugin [20:09] yeah, nasty [20:09] evening [20:09] I only tend to modify bits of things, so I edit one file at a time typically [20:10] aloha [20:10] interesting light display going on millbank tower this evening [20:10] I don't do major dev projects any more, when I did it was on Lotus Notes so that was an integrated (and rubbish) IDE anyway [20:11] an integrated integrated development environment? [20:11] hi [20:11] I suppose that might be true that "it beats the hell out off Eclipse" but I don't think I would trust the MS compliers and linkers like I trust GNU. [20:11] * daubers is very confused by house buying [20:12] buy a tent ... [20:12] much less inheritance tax on a tent. [20:12] tombrough, daubers: uh... yurt++? [20:12] hey tom [20:12] hi zleap [20:13] Looked at a house twice over the weekend, was almost ready to put down a deposit, looked at the crime statistics, now really not sure, but the more you look at crime statistics the more you realise that EVERYWHERE is crap [20:13] long time no see / chat [20:13] hmmm cannot see what signs are being displayed on millbank [20:13] most annoying [20:13] but going on for the last hour [20:13] i am looking for a box thing so I can plug an internal dvd drive into a emachines 1401, (no dvd drive built in) [20:14] i don't know wjhat to search for on ebuyer [20:14] yeah been busy getting my head around Oracle's (very broken) Xen Management system [20:14] ah [20:14] you have been working on that for months [20:15] I wanted to buy some "peace and goodwill" for this Christmas but I couldn't find it in any shops. :-( [20:15] aww [20:15] anyway any suggestions in to plugging in a internal cd drive thing into a box then inot a pc [20:16] i can buy external dvd-rw drives, however i have a few internal ones lying around so if i can make use of those first i will [20:16] you cando this with hard disks, so i assume its the same for optical devices [20:17] usb to ide converter ? [20:17] yeah [20:17] but is it possible to have it so i put the dvd drive in a casing too [20:17] looks nicer [20:18] used to be possible to get cases but Im not sure if thats true these days. [20:18] ok [20:18] maybe its easier to just spend <25 quid on an external dvd drive [20:18] i can use it for the netbook then too [20:18] czajkowski: its microsoft/nokia [20:18] I believe [20:19] probably a rehearsal for tomorrow nights launch [20:19] http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-to-take-on-millbank-tower-in-london-to-promote-lumia-devices/ [20:20] popey: ahhhh [20:20] * czajkowski didnt realise she could see millbank from the couch [20:20] always looked right and saw the eye never looked left to millbank [20:21] wonder if Canonical will do anything to help nokia celebrate [20:22] cool, those building 3d projection show things are amazing [20:22] ohhh video on now [20:22] deadly [20:23] popey: it would help if canonical turned off the light on their floor [20:23] fecking the display up [20:23] they have to [20:23] the whole building has to switch off lights [20:23] for the display to work [20:23] czajkowski: well, ms/nokia obviously doesn't know their own schedule ;-) [20:23] popey: ahh ok well most of the lgiths are on tonight [20:24] yeah, because they weren't told to turn off tonight [20:24] its rehearsal [20:24] gotcha [20:24] it's really good actually [20:24] deadmau5 will be there [20:24] as will some celebs [20:24] popey: you sure they are not following time.microsoft.com or something? :-p [20:24] haha [20:24] http://glow-london.blogspot.com/2011/11/glow-on-november-28th.html [20:25] maybe we can move the GLOW event to Millbank :) [20:25] who's deadma5u5 [20:25] google [20:26] he's the guy that made that song that is used when youtube detects copyright infringement on your audio track [20:26] you know that really annoying one that is on all videos ever [20:26] probably would if I heard it [20:26] you have [20:26] doesn't spring to mind ho [20:26] ☺ === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 1st December 12:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | ☃ [20:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfgc4i7W-68 [20:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1CvO1IQxY [20:37] Did popey just add a snowman to the /topic? :) [20:37] yes [20:37] Nice! [20:37] i'm on windows so i can't see it :( [20:38] * nigelb banishes gord [20:38] ;) [20:38] But wait, you can install the Ubuntu font in Windows right? [20:39] UbuntuMono should let you see it. [20:40] i am using ubuntu, windows is just crap with unicode at the best of times [20:41] ah, heh. [20:43] Hrm, this thunderbird compiling is going to take a few hours at the least. [21:06] nigelb: do you know how to launch a .xpi from firefox instead of xulrunner? [21:07] expanding the xpi http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx and running firefox --app application.ini doesn't seem to do anything [21:28] AlanBell: is it an extension? [21:28] yes [21:29] go to about:addons and click the button right next to the search on top right and say "Install Add-on from file" [21:29] That should let you install it. [21:29] yeah, I know how to install it [21:29] it is great [21:29] Ah, you want it to be associated with firefox? [21:30] instead of archive thing? [21:30] it would be nice to have it independently launchable [21:30] Because xpi is essentially a compression format, Ubuntu gets archive manager associted with it. [21:30] it really is very little to do with Firefox, it just happens to be based on xul [21:31] but we have no xulrunner any more [21:31] Oh. [21:31] That I did not know. [21:31] I don't use firefox from packages these days. [21:31] because the mozilla release schedule is so fast xulrunner got dropped [21:32] in theory you can use "firefox --app" instead of xulrunner [21:34] --app doesnt show up in firefox --help [21:37] single - [21:37] http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2007/08/firefox-3-xul-application-runtime/ [21:38] firefox -app flibble [21:38] application.ini path not recognized: 'flibble' [21:38] either way it doesnt show up [21:38] it is doing *something* and is looking for an application.ini === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:13] Hi all [22:13] MooDoo: u there? [22:16] ok, is anybody there? [22:20] yes [22:20] wow! life! [22:20] how's it going? [22:36] I assume that means IRC servers? [23:02] [oimon] When good disks go bad - http://oimon.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/when-good-disks-go-bad/ [23:10] "Store an additional copy on a trusted cloud provider e.g. ubuntu one/amazon s3/dropbox (decide whether to encrypt or not)" lol Dropbox. [23:10] Amazon is one of a few credible choices. [23:34] i have a stack of disks like that [23:34] no anti static bags though [23:34] they're just on a shelf [23:37] same here [23:38] including a couple of SSDs now ⍨ [23:38] popey, you've moved onto some smiley I don't have? :/ [23:39] heh, sorry [23:47] hmm next to the hard drives i found a bag of pogs and a box full of furry batteries [23:47] ⍨ <-- that is a cute smiley ;) [23:55] * popey had to google pogs