[02:04] <GridCube> so when we should start testings?
[02:56] <TVasEyes> hi,
[02:57] <TVasEyes> probably not the right place to ask but I've tried xubuntu & xubuntu-offtopic already
[02:57] <TVasEyes> need help with mount.cifs issue
[02:57] <TVasEyes> getting error 13 when issuing command which works on a different Linux box
[02:57] <TVasEyes> connecting to NAS
[02:58] <TVasEyes> anyone able to help?
[02:59] <holstein> connecting how?
[02:59] <holstein> NM... i see you found someone
[03:00] <TVasEyes> holstein: will converse on xubuntu channel or here?
[03:02] <holstein> nah, if Unit193 cant help you, i cant
[03:02] <holstein> i just didnt want to leave you hanging
[03:03] <TVasEyes> holstein: thanks, appreciated.
[03:25] <Unit193> Since when am I smarter? And dang, I had a few things to try...
[15:38] <knome> micahg, is there any way to fight the white icons on light grey in tb except creating a new icon theme??
[15:39] <knome> micahg, (or editing userchrome)
[15:39] <knome> (that at least makes the text a bit more readable)
[16:08] <astraljava> Is the meeting today or tomorrow?
[16:09] <knome> no meeting has been announced
[16:09] <knome> bah
[16:09] <knome> i'm not sure i can make it tomorrrow
[16:15] <astraljava> Oh okay, yeah I now recall the change in the schedules.
[17:19] <knome> madnick, wb
[17:19] <madnick> thanks!
[18:48] <micahg> knome: yes, I have to report a bug to mozilla, they said they'd fix it
[18:49] <micahg> knome: no meeting?  are we doing alpha 1?
[19:17]  * madnick also wonders about meeting, but thinks its in 1½ hours?
[20:55] <ochosi> so i guess we won't have a meeting in 5min?
[20:57]  * madnick pokes knome 
[20:57] <ochosi> :)
[20:57] <ochosi> think he's not here
[20:59] <madnick> I think he said, last time, that we would have a meeting today
[21:01] <ochosi> hm, i thought he said he'd have friends over tonight
[21:03] <madnick> Yes, he does
[21:03] <madnick> But he said: "knomecan we just postpone to next week?" :P
[21:05] <Unit193> [11:09:17] < knome> i'm not sure i can make it tomorrrow
[21:05] <Unit193> Looks like he also had wrong day
[21:05] <madnick> :P
[21:11] <ochosi> we can also do some kind of informal meeting :)
[21:11] <ochosi> what've you all been up to?
[21:12] <ochosi> (knome will read the backlog anyway)
[21:12] <madnick> yes
[21:13] <madnick> i suppose that would be good
[21:14] <ochosi> k, well madnick why don't you start with a quick update on your recent tasks (lightdm-settings-ui and greeter-theme)?
[21:15] <madnick> Okay
[21:16] <madnick> The greeter implements 90% of all functionallity available, the themeing library is also comming along nicely
[21:16] <madnick> The settings UI, is ~done, that is, we need to discuss if people shall be able to change their pictures from the GUI
[21:17] <madnick> As for the theme itself, it does everything that is currently handed out to me :P
[21:17] <madnick> ..
[21:18] <ochosi> :)
[21:18] <ochosi> yeah, just a quick update from upstream-xfce
[21:18] <ochosi> a user-settings UI is in the works
[21:18] <ochosi> people will also be able to change their avatars there
[21:18] <ochosi> so maybe better keep it there than in lightdm-settings
[21:19] <ochosi> since it's global
[21:19] <madnick> Will we get that in time?
[21:19] <ochosi> good question
[21:19] <ochosi> tbh i don't know
[21:19] <ochosi> there is no ETA yet
[21:20] <ochosi> but i don't think that it'd be a very complicated thing to do
[21:20] <ochosi> so it's possible, but not sure
[21:20] <madnick> It feels like it would be very good to keep it separated, but on the other hand, if people can't change it, except for manually, its not good
[21:20] <ochosi> yes, i mean if you don't feel you're wasting your time implementing it now and possibly dropping it later...
[21:21] <ochosi> (this is the wiki-page for all of you who are interested: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/xfce4-settings/useraccounts )
[21:21] <madnick> That pretty much outdates the entire GUI, since it will have a setting for autologin
[21:22] <madnick> Which was the main idea for the settings GUI
[21:22] <ochosi> i'm not sure that setting will work for lightdm
[21:23] <ochosi> depends on what the accountservice package can do
[21:23] <ochosi> furthermore: a gui to change the lightdm-greeter-theme is still valuable in itself
[21:23] <madnick> That is true
[21:23] <ochosi> this is more meant as a simplified replacement of users-admin
[21:24] <ochosi> without all the group-settings etc. that users-admin gives you
[21:24] <ochosi> not even sure i'd ditch users-admin for it, since this is just simple and basic
[21:24]  * micahg guesses there will be no xubuntu alpha 1
[21:25] <ochosi> hm, why's that?
[21:25] <ochosi> and: would we need it?
[21:25] <micahg> since we're not planning
[21:25] <micahg> well, would be nice
[21:25] <ochosi> mhm
[21:26] <ochosi> what would have to be done in terms of planning?
[21:26] <madnick> Perhaps we could put that on the ML
[21:26] <madnick> as urgent
[21:26] <ochosi> yeah, not a bad idea
[21:26] <micahg> we need people committing to test basically, I don't think charlie was planning for an alpha 1 which is why we're not ready for it
[21:27] <ochosi> ok, so basically we need testers
[21:27] <ochosi> where's GridCube?
[21:27] <ochosi> anyone else here who can test?
[21:27] <madnick> From what I understand, we are supposed to use a new testing software
[21:27] <micahg> I brought this up last week and thought that a community meeting would be the best forum to discuss/plan for alpha1
[21:28] <madnick> http://91.189.93.73/
[21:28] <ochosi> mhm
[21:28] <madnick> And I don't know how to use that
[21:28] <micahg> that's the new ISO tracker
[21:28] <madnick> Yes, but also for daily testing
[21:28] <ochosi> micahg: do you know how it works?
[21:28] <micahg> no, not really
[21:28] <ochosi> hm, o
[21:28] <ochosi> k
[21:29] <ochosi> so i guess we need to fgure out how it works and find people who are willing to work with it
[21:30] <micahg> seems like a lot to do in 3 days
[21:30] <ochosi> yes, i guess so
[21:30] <ochosi> but we can still give it a shot
[21:30] <madnick> Would be nice to get a green light on what to do :P
[21:30] <ochosi> would you be willing to write the message to the ML explaining the basics?
[21:31] <ochosi> yeah, but i'm not sure knome would oppose this. i mean the only reason not to try is if we think our chances are too bad to even try
[21:33] <ochosi> i'd say it's a bit up to you micahg 
[21:35] <micahg> sorry, I have enough things to do this week already, I can try to fix bugs if they come up
[21:35] <ochosi> ok, no problem
[21:35] <ochosi> i'll talk to knome later when he's around again and we'll see whether we'll send out an email to the ML about this or just skip alpha1
[21:37] <ochosi> micahg: about the thunderbird bug that knome mentioned earlier, how would you say our chances are that this gets fixed in time for precise?
[21:37] <ochosi> (just to know whether we should prepare ugly workarounds)
[21:37] <micahg> ochosi: pretty good, probably by alpha 2 if I get around to filing it :)
[21:37] <ochosi> ok :)
[21:37] <ochosi> sounds good
[21:39] <ochosi> micahg: any other updates from your side?
[21:39] <micahg> nope
[21:39] <ochosi> mr_pouit: are you here? if yes, any updates from your side?
[21:43] <ochosi> k, i guess that's a no :)
[21:43] <ochosi> edii: any news on the menu-bookmark-editor?
[21:44] <micahg> mr_pouit did a xfce4-timer-plugin merge :)
[21:44] <ochosi> oh nice :)
[21:45] <ochosi> btw, it would be nice if some of you could test the datetime-plugin from the shimmer ppa to see what you think about replacing the current panel-clock with it
[21:45] <madnick> I'm sorry, I have to go for a while, it is urgent.
[21:45] <ochosi> (it mainly contains a small patch to hide the border and resize-grip, other than that it's the same as in the ubuntu repos)
[21:45] <ochosi> k, see you madnick 
[21:46] <ochosi> pleia2: any updates on the next website sprint or the website in general?
[21:49] <Unit193> ochosi: I think I can as I'm using it now (on Natty though)
[21:50] <ochosi> Unit193: would you say it's a good replacement for the current implementation?
[21:50] <Unit193> xfce4-datetime-plugin
[21:50] <ochosi> yes
[21:50] <Unit193> ochosi: I like it far better!
[21:50] <ochosi> ok, good to know :)
[21:50] <ochosi> have you seen how it'd look with greybird?
[21:50] <Unit193> Only thing, when I click back to terminal, I'd like for it to close, not go under terminal
[21:51] <ochosi> mhm
[21:51] <Unit193> ochosi: I have not, but I suppose if I must ;)
[21:51] <ochosi> best to file a bugreport about that upstream
[21:51] <ochosi> Unit193: no you don't have to ;)
[21:51] <ochosi> i just gave it a dark look
[21:51] <ochosi> to look more like the indicators and other stuff that pops up from the panel
[21:51] <Unit193> I'll check anyway, PPA link/name?
[21:52] <ochosi> hmm, i'm afraid the package is only for oneiric... https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=natty
[21:52] <ochosi> theoretically you could download the package and just install it
[21:53] <ochosi> don't think it'd break anything
[21:53] <Unit193> Done that more times than I'd like to admit, but I try not to break things
[21:53] <ochosi> https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa
[21:53] <ochosi> ok :)
[21:53] <ochosi> well i can alternatively also show you a screenshot if you like
[21:54] <Unit193> Well, I take it you can't build for natty? (I'm going to download the deb)
[21:54] <ochosi> not really, mr_pouit built the package ;)
[21:57] <Unit193> Awww... It removed my time :/
[21:58] <Unit193> (Settings)
[21:58] <ochosi> you mean it removed the settings?
[21:58] <ochosi> right
[21:58] <ochosi> sorry to hear..
[21:58] <ochosi> i'm using this btw: %a %d %b %R
[21:59] <Unit193> I had something close to that, have it on two computers (So I can get it back soon, use that for now)
[21:59] <ochosi> ok
[21:59] <Unit193> Anything else?
[21:59] <ochosi> not from my side
[22:00] <ochosi> btw, have you used the testing-site linked to earlier?
[22:00] <Unit193> Looked at it once
[22:03] <Unit193> Only issue, can't login :P
[22:09] <knome> yeah, i think any kind of informal and even impromptu meetings are great, if you give any updates though, add them to the teamreports so we can forward them to ubuntu-release with madnick :)
[22:12] <Sysi> would it be too late to discuss including pavucontrol to default installation? I could file some bugs with lacky pulseaudio control..
[22:12] <knome> isn't that included in oneiric?
[22:13] <knome> or is it again one of those things we planned, but nobody told lionel to add it to seeds?
[22:13] <Sysi> I don't have it..
[22:13] <knome> right
[22:13] <knome> mr_pouit, !!
[22:20] <micahg> no, we decided against it since it seemed to be not needed
[22:20] <micahg> we already have the xfce4-mixer
[22:21] <Sysi> no way to select sound output device which is basically reason to have pulseaudio in the first place
[22:22] <knome> micahg, is pavucontrol big?
[22:24] <micahg> Sysi: xfce4-mixer does that
[22:24] <Sysi> micahg: oh, I should test it (more)
[22:24] <Sysi> I think nobody at #xubuntu has ever mentioned it
[22:24] <micahg> knome: by itself it's 150k, not sure about the libraries it uses though
[22:28] <micahg> the only thing pavucontrol does that xfce4-mixer doesn't is to redirect audio streams which makes sense for Ubuntu Studio, but not us
[22:29] <Sysi> I'd say this is good news, gotta check it out
[22:30] <Sysi> ..if I can use two soundcards
[22:30] <micahg> AFAIK, it should work
[22:30] <knome> mmh
[22:30] <micahg> but if not, let us know
[22:30] <Sysi> just by selecting device in xfce4-mixer?
[22:30] <knome> there seems to be problems with devices
[22:31] <micahg> well, if we have test cases, let
[22:31] <micahg> s get bugs filed, we're at the beginning of the cycle
[22:33] <Sysi> I can only test till january and even now limitedly..
[22:34] <Sysi> is ubuntu-bug good way to report bugs or is something more manual better?
[22:35] <Sysi> I haven't checked out ubuntu-bug yet though
[22:37] <micahg> ubuntu-bug is better