[02:04] so when we should start testings? [02:56] hi, [02:57] probably not the right place to ask but I've tried xubuntu & xubuntu-offtopic already [02:57] need help with mount.cifs issue [02:57] getting error 13 when issuing command which works on a different Linux box [02:57] connecting to NAS [02:58] anyone able to help? [02:59] connecting how? [02:59] NM... i see you found someone [03:00] holstein: will converse on xubuntu channel or here? [03:02] nah, if Unit193 cant help you, i cant [03:02] i just didnt want to leave you hanging [03:03] holstein: thanks, appreciated. [03:25] Since when am I smarter? And dang, I had a few things to try... [15:38] micahg, is there any way to fight the white icons on light grey in tb except creating a new icon theme?? [15:39] micahg, (or editing userchrome) [15:39] (that at least makes the text a bit more readable) [16:08] Is the meeting today or tomorrow? [16:09] no meeting has been announced [16:09] bah [16:09] i'm not sure i can make it tomorrrow [16:15] Oh okay, yeah I now recall the change in the schedules. [17:19] madnick, wb [17:19] thanks! [18:48] knome: yes, I have to report a bug to mozilla, they said they'd fix it [18:49] knome: no meeting? are we doing alpha 1? [19:17] * madnick also wonders about meeting, but thinks its in 1½ hours? === micahg_ is now known as micahg [20:55] so i guess we won't have a meeting in 5min? [20:57] * madnick pokes knome [20:57] :) [20:57] think he's not here [20:59] I think he said, last time, that we would have a meeting today [21:01] hm, i thought he said he'd have friends over tonight [21:03] Yes, he does [21:03] But he said: "knomecan we just postpone to next week?" :P [21:05] [11:09:17] < knome> i'm not sure i can make it tomorrrow [21:05] Looks like he also had wrong day [21:05] :P [21:11] we can also do some kind of informal meeting :) [21:11] what've you all been up to? [21:12] (knome will read the backlog anyway) [21:12] yes [21:13] i suppose that would be good [21:14] k, well madnick why don't you start with a quick update on your recent tasks (lightdm-settings-ui and greeter-theme)? [21:15] Okay [21:16] The greeter implements 90% of all functionallity available, the themeing library is also comming along nicely [21:16] The settings UI, is ~done, that is, we need to discuss if people shall be able to change their pictures from the GUI [21:17] As for the theme itself, it does everything that is currently handed out to me :P [21:17] .. [21:18] :) [21:18] yeah, just a quick update from upstream-xfce [21:18] a user-settings UI is in the works [21:18] people will also be able to change their avatars there [21:18] so maybe better keep it there than in lightdm-settings [21:19] since it's global [21:19] Will we get that in time? [21:19] good question [21:19] tbh i don't know [21:19] there is no ETA yet [21:20] but i don't think that it'd be a very complicated thing to do [21:20] so it's possible, but not sure [21:20] It feels like it would be very good to keep it separated, but on the other hand, if people can't change it, except for manually, its not good [21:20] yes, i mean if you don't feel you're wasting your time implementing it now and possibly dropping it later... [21:21] (this is the wiki-page for all of you who are interested: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/xfce4-settings/useraccounts ) [21:21] That pretty much outdates the entire GUI, since it will have a setting for autologin [21:22] Which was the main idea for the settings GUI [21:22] i'm not sure that setting will work for lightdm [21:23] depends on what the accountservice package can do [21:23] furthermore: a gui to change the lightdm-greeter-theme is still valuable in itself [21:23] That is true [21:23] this is more meant as a simplified replacement of users-admin [21:24] without all the group-settings etc. that users-admin gives you [21:24] not even sure i'd ditch users-admin for it, since this is just simple and basic [21:24] * micahg guesses there will be no xubuntu alpha 1 [21:25] hm, why's that? [21:25] and: would we need it? [21:25] since we're not planning [21:25] well, would be nice [21:25] mhm [21:26] what would have to be done in terms of planning? [21:26] Perhaps we could put that on the ML [21:26] as urgent [21:26] yeah, not a bad idea [21:26] we need people committing to test basically, I don't think charlie was planning for an alpha 1 which is why we're not ready for it [21:27] ok, so basically we need testers [21:27] where's GridCube? [21:27] anyone else here who can test? [21:27] From what I understand, we are supposed to use a new testing software [21:27] I brought this up last week and thought that a community meeting would be the best forum to discuss/plan for alpha1 [21:28] http://91.189.93.73/ [21:28] mhm [21:28] And I don't know how to use that [21:28] that's the new ISO tracker [21:28] Yes, but also for daily testing [21:28] micahg: do you know how it works? [21:28] no, not really [21:28] hm, o [21:28] k [21:29] so i guess we need to fgure out how it works and find people who are willing to work with it [21:30] seems like a lot to do in 3 days [21:30] yes, i guess so [21:30] but we can still give it a shot [21:30] Would be nice to get a green light on what to do :P [21:30] would you be willing to write the message to the ML explaining the basics? [21:31] yeah, but i'm not sure knome would oppose this. i mean the only reason not to try is if we think our chances are too bad to even try [21:33] i'd say it's a bit up to you micahg [21:35] sorry, I have enough things to do this week already, I can try to fix bugs if they come up [21:35] ok, no problem [21:35] i'll talk to knome later when he's around again and we'll see whether we'll send out an email to the ML about this or just skip alpha1 [21:37] micahg: about the thunderbird bug that knome mentioned earlier, how would you say our chances are that this gets fixed in time for precise? [21:37] (just to know whether we should prepare ugly workarounds) [21:37] ochosi: pretty good, probably by alpha 2 if I get around to filing it :) [21:37] ok :) [21:37] sounds good [21:39] micahg: any other updates from your side? [21:39] nope [21:39] mr_pouit: are you here? if yes, any updates from your side? [21:43] k, i guess that's a no :) [21:43] edii: any news on the menu-bookmark-editor? [21:44] mr_pouit did a xfce4-timer-plugin merge :) [21:44] oh nice :) [21:45] btw, it would be nice if some of you could test the datetime-plugin from the shimmer ppa to see what you think about replacing the current panel-clock with it [21:45] I'm sorry, I have to go for a while, it is urgent. [21:45] (it mainly contains a small patch to hide the border and resize-grip, other than that it's the same as in the ubuntu repos) [21:45] k, see you madnick [21:46] pleia2: any updates on the next website sprint or the website in general? [21:49] ochosi: I think I can as I'm using it now (on Natty though) [21:50] Unit193: would you say it's a good replacement for the current implementation? [21:50] xfce4-datetime-plugin [21:50] yes [21:50] ochosi: I like it far better! [21:50] ok, good to know :) [21:50] have you seen how it'd look with greybird? [21:50] Only thing, when I click back to terminal, I'd like for it to close, not go under terminal [21:51] mhm [21:51] ochosi: I have not, but I suppose if I must ;) [21:51] best to file a bugreport about that upstream [21:51] Unit193: no you don't have to ;) [21:51] i just gave it a dark look [21:51] to look more like the indicators and other stuff that pops up from the panel [21:51] I'll check anyway, PPA link/name? [21:52] hmm, i'm afraid the package is only for oneiric... https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=natty [21:52] theoretically you could download the package and just install it [21:53] don't think it'd break anything [21:53] Done that more times than I'd like to admit, but I try not to break things [21:53] https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa [21:53] ok :) [21:53] well i can alternatively also show you a screenshot if you like [21:54] Well, I take it you can't build for natty? (I'm going to download the deb) [21:54] not really, mr_pouit built the package ;) [21:57] Awww... It removed my time :/ [21:58] (Settings) [21:58] you mean it removed the settings? [21:58] right [21:58] sorry to hear.. [21:58] i'm using this btw: %a %d %b %R [21:59] I had something close to that, have it on two computers (So I can get it back soon, use that for now) [21:59] ok [21:59] Anything else? [21:59] not from my side [22:00] btw, have you used the testing-site linked to earlier? [22:00] Looked at it once [22:03] Only issue, can't login :P [22:09] yeah, i think any kind of informal and even impromptu meetings are great, if you give any updates though, add them to the teamreports so we can forward them to ubuntu-release with madnick :) [22:12] would it be too late to discuss including pavucontrol to default installation? I could file some bugs with lacky pulseaudio control.. [22:12] isn't that included in oneiric? [22:13] or is it again one of those things we planned, but nobody told lionel to add it to seeds? [22:13] I don't have it.. [22:13] right [22:13] mr_pouit, !! [22:20] no, we decided against it since it seemed to be not needed [22:20] we already have the xfce4-mixer [22:21] no way to select sound output device which is basically reason to have pulseaudio in the first place [22:22] micahg, is pavucontrol big? [22:24] Sysi: xfce4-mixer does that [22:24] micahg: oh, I should test it (more) [22:24] I think nobody at #xubuntu has ever mentioned it [22:24] knome: by itself it's 150k, not sure about the libraries it uses though [22:28] the only thing pavucontrol does that xfce4-mixer doesn't is to redirect audio streams which makes sense for Ubuntu Studio, but not us [22:29] I'd say this is good news, gotta check it out [22:30] ..if I can use two soundcards [22:30] AFAIK, it should work [22:30] mmh [22:30] but if not, let us know [22:30] just by selecting device in xfce4-mixer? [22:30] there seems to be problems with devices [22:31] well, if we have test cases, let [22:31] s get bugs filed, we're at the beginning of the cycle [22:33] I can only test till january and even now limitedly.. [22:34] is ubuntu-bug good way to report bugs or is something more manual better? [22:35] I haven't checked out ubuntu-bug yet though [22:37] ubuntu-bug is better