[00:28] <coolmag> Hey there... I've gotten Xubuntu LTS installed and all, but sound is not working.
[00:28] <coolmag> Sound worked with Xubuntu 11, but not with LTS.
[00:35] <holstein> coolmag: why not install 11.10 then?
[00:35] <holstein> assuming nothing.. make sure all the cables are plugged in, or whatever... headphones... *doublecheck*
[00:35] <holstein> then, open a terminal, and run
[00:35] <holstein> aplay -l
[00:36] <coolmag> aplay: invalid option -- '1'
[00:36] <holstein> you can paste that here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:36] <coolmag> Try 'aplay --help' for more informatio.n
[00:36] <coolmag> um
[00:36] <coolmag> oh
[00:36] <coolmag> l?
[00:36] <coolmag> oooops
[00:36] <holstein> coolmag: you can literally copy and paste that in if you'd like
[00:36] <coolmag> here?
[00:36] <coolmag> or in the pastie
[00:37] <holstein> do you have anything there?
[00:37] <coolmag> yes
[00:37] <coolmag> some intel stuff
[00:37] <holstein> cool
[00:37] <holstein> coolmag: open up an terminal and run alsamixer
[00:37] <holstein> coolmag2: ^
[00:37] <coolmag2> yeah this is me from the computer
[00:37] <coolmag2> without sound so um i ran it
[00:38] <coolmag2> i see the card: intel ICH5
[00:38] <coolmag2> and a lot of colors
[00:38] <coolmag2> a lot of red and one without red
[00:38] <coolmag> what do I do with it?
[00:39] <holstein> dont trust any labels... you should also just search for updates, and apply them
[00:39] <coolmag> ?
[00:39] <coolmag> oh
[00:39] <holstein> sometimes a fix can come in with that
[00:39] <coolmag> how do I do that?
[00:39] <holstein> coolmag: synaptic... software center... sudo apt-get update then upgrade... whatever you do
[00:39] <coolmag> also, i was following ubuntu's sound troubleshooting guide, and it said to "install the sound modules" and when I tried the comand to install the sound modules I got an error about not being able to find the package
[00:39] <coolmag> or something
[00:40] <coolmag> holstein: I don't think there are any updates
[00:40] <holstein> coolmag: well, you might need to un-fix whatever you did there
[00:40] <coolmag> ?
[00:40] <holstein> im assuming fresh install
[00:40] <coolmag> unfix what
[00:40] <coolmag> wut T_T
[00:41] <coolmag> Should I hear sound when I use the live CD?
[00:41] <holstein> coolmag: what ever commands you copied and pasted in, and added/broke whatever
[00:41] <holstein> coolmag: it would be nice to hear sound from the live CD
[00:41] <coolmag> Should I be able to?
[00:41] <holstein> if it works with 11.10, and you are new-ish to linux, just install that
[00:41] <holstein> coolmag: yes, you should
[00:41] <holstein> assuming you have support for linux with your hardware
[00:41] <coolmag> 11.10 runs really horribly though but it seems 10 runs fine
[00:43] <holstein> you installed 11.10? and upgraded?
[00:54] <coolmag> holstein: i ran 11.10 with wubi
[00:54] <coolmag> and it was horrific
[00:55] <coolmag> omfg
[00:55] <coolmag> IT WORKS
[00:55] <coolmag> FINALLY
[00:55] <coolmag> i dunno what i did.
[01:57] <GridCube> wow the update manager and the ubuntu software center are working like crap
[01:59] <GridCube> i can not update, i can not open the software center, i can not unlock the /var/lib/apt/list/lock and related folders because the update manager has it, i can not kill the update manager, it asks for my password, when in theory it shouldnt ask because of the new "idea" of no passworded updates
[02:22] <zenrox> GridCube, try sudo rm /var/lib/apt/list/lock
[02:22] <zenrox> then reboot
[02:22] <GridCube> i actually got the update manager to start working forcing it thru sudo and killing most of other process
[02:23] <zenrox> ok
[02:23] <GridCube> and it installed an update of the software center and the update manager
[02:23] <GridCube> so
[02:23] <zenrox> i had a similer prob when i was upgrading wife's lappy
[02:23] <GridCube> rebooting becuase of new kernel
[02:23] <GridCube> brb
[02:23] <zenrox> ok
[02:26] <GridCube> well
[02:26] <GridCube> nothing broke this time
[02:26] <GridCube> :D thats good
[02:27] <GridCube> but the software center still refuses to work
[02:28] <GridCube> oh, well, again it was it just taking a huge lot of time to boot
[02:38] <LiquidBlues> Just did a fresh install of Xubuntu 11.10 and on my first start I get "error: out of disk"
[02:38] <LiquidBlues> And a grub rescue prompt.
[02:38] <LiquidBlues> Of course, Google has 1,000 solutions for it, but not really clear on which one works.
[02:46] <GridCube> LiquidBlues, you can try a reinstall? and make sure you install grub?
[02:48] <GridCube> also you could try to change the disk ports, like move it from sata port 1 to sata port 2
[02:49] <TVasEyes> hi
[02:50] <TVasEyes> (still) need help resolving mount.cifs issue, getting error 13 in spite of having tried pretty much everything.
[02:51] <TVasEyes> anyone there to help?
[02:58] <holstein> TVasEyes: sure.. there are people here
[02:58] <holstein> were you here earlier? you want to elaborate?
[02:59] <TVasEyes> holstein: yes, tried earlier
[03:01] <TVasEyes> holstein: command is mount.cifs //server/share /mountpoint -o guest
[03:01] <TVasEyes> holstein: have tried with credentials too, no difference
[03:19] <xubuntu720> good morning
[03:22] <LiquidBlues> GridCube:  The standard 32bit install doesn't include grub?
[03:22] <GridCube> LiquidBlues, yes it should
[03:23] <GridCube> LiquidBlues, apparently that kind of problem comes from a wrong or weird partition table
[03:23] <LiquidBlues> And, it's a laptop, switching SATA isn't an option.
[03:23] <GridCube> ok
[03:23] <GridCube> so try to clean the partitions
[03:23] <GridCube> leave just 3
[03:23] <LiquidBlues> 3?  I had 2.  The main one and a swap.
[03:23] <GridCube> one for / one for /home and the swap
[03:23] <LiquidBlues> It's only a 30gb drive.
[03:24] <GridCube> you just need 10gb for /
[03:24] <GridCube> or less
[03:24] <LiquidBlues> Okay.
[03:24] <LiquidBlues> 10 10 10?
[03:24] <GridCube> and having a separated /home is always good
[03:24] <GridCube> no having 2gb of swap is more than enough
[03:24] <GridCube> 10 28 2
[03:25] <GridCube> 10 18 2
[03:25] <LiquidBlues> Alright.  Will give it a whirl.
[03:25] <GridCube> :P
[03:25] <LiquidBlues> Yeah, I got your meaning.  :)
[03:25] <GridCube> but in any case see if yo have another port to move the disk
[03:25] <GridCube> that could help
[03:26] <LiquidBlues> Old laptop.
[03:26] <GridCube> :P
[03:26] <GridCube> i had old laptos with 2 ide ports
[03:26] <LiquidBlues> I actually have 6 of them and putting Xubuntu on them so I can give them to some families without computers.
[03:26] <LiquidBlues> So, need to find something that consistently works.
[03:26] <LiquidBlues> Hopefully, you nailed it.
[03:26] <GridCube> oh if its really old
[03:26] <GridCube> you should lubuntu them
[03:27] <LiquidBlues> P4 that ran Windows 2000 Pro.
[03:27] <GridCube> its faster and part of the  *buntu family
[03:27] <LiquidBlues> You think Lubuntu?
[03:27] <GridCube> i would go for it if i had low specs to work with
[03:27] <Unit193> I run P4 with Xubuntu 11.04, but it has 2G ram
[03:27] <GridCube> but xubuntu can do that :)
[03:28] <LiquidBlues> Yeah, the ram's definitely not there.
[03:28] <GridCube> well 4gb for swap :P
[03:28] <LiquidBlues> okee
[03:28] <LiquidBlues> I'll try it.  If it fucks up, I'll go down to Lubuntu.
[03:28] <GridCube> i gave my netbook 6gb of swap and it has 2gb or ram by iteslf :P
[03:28] <GridCube> :)
[03:28] <GridCube> good luck
[03:29] <LiquidBlues> Thanks for the guidance.
[03:29] <Unit193> LiquidBlues: Mind keeping this a little more family friendly?
[03:29] <LiquidBlues> You got it.
[03:29] <Unit193> Thanks :D
[03:29] <GridCube> again the problem seems to come from faulty partition tables so check that :)
[03:29] <LiquidBlues> Well, I wiped all the partitions and started from scratch.
[03:29] <GridCube> :)
[05:38] <marticag> Hi, Iǘe just installed Xubuntu 11.10. I'm trying to connect to my skype account using skype 2.1 (beta). The software hangs
[05:39] <marticag> Any idea?
[05:41] <well_laid_lawn> marticag: try starting it from a terminal to see if there is an error message
[05:45] <marticag> Hi. It started working. Thank you for your help.
[05:46] <well_laid_lawn> heh np :)
[06:26] <w30> What cpu should I buy for my xubuntu desktop computer if money was no problem? What should I get if it was a problem?
[06:29] <zenrox> get an amd eather way
[06:30] <zenrox> dual core at least
[06:33] <well_laid_lawn> I prefer intel with onboard video
[06:40] <w30> I use Nvidia graphic cards because I can get them configured for Linux and 3d but in the past bought AMD cpu's for price.
[06:41] <w30> well_laid_lawn, does intel on board support 3d and compiz or Unity?
[06:41] <well_laid_lawn> I can do compiz
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> the intel graphics are ok - no 3d gaing tho
[06:42] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I like to watch the cube go around in circles.
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> but they are reliable
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[06:42] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I like the idea of onboard consolidation though.
[06:43] <well_laid_lawn> w30: for me it's about what is the most reliable
[06:45] <w30> well_laid_lawn, right now I am scared of my old box; when my dog wags her tail against the box it goes dark and won't reboot utill I slap it with my palm.
[06:45] <w30> well_laid_lawn,  that's not reliable actually.
[06:45] <well_laid_lawn> w30: pull it apart and give it a clean then :)
[06:46] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I do that often *sigh* even with air blaster bombs
[06:46] <well_laid_lawn> I had a pentium3 that sometimes wouldn't boot until I reseated the memory
[06:48] <w30> well_laid_lawn, a good thing to do is reseat memory sticks and all cards if hardware is gliching.
[06:58] <w30> well_laid_lawn, tv tuner cleaner was a good product to clean connections but I can't find it any more.
[06:59] <w30> no more physical tv tuners are left .
[07:43]  * w30 wanders off to read cpu benchmark tests (like a rabbit looking at a locomotive going by).
[12:51] <popsch> I use multiple workspaces. When chrome creates a popup window, it always moves the window to which the popup belongs to the current workspace. Is there some tweak to prevent this? It always happens when using google calendar and an appointment comes up.
[13:04] <Sysi> popsch: check window manager tweaks
[13:15] <stefcho> Hi there! I'm a new user and im installing Xubuntu right now. So my question is how long will it take Xubuntu to install? It's been like 30 min after it started. I choosed the "Delete Windows and replace it with Xubuntu" installation thanks!
[13:16] <stefcho> Anyone online?
[13:16] <baizon> yes
[13:16] <baizon> hi
[13:16] <baizon> what pc do you got?
[13:17] <stefcho> windows xp OS my pc is delux
[13:17] <stefcho> 600mb ram 1.5 ghz processor 128 vid memory
[13:17] <baizon> my xubuntu needs 15min
[13:17] <baizon> and i got a c2d 2GHz
[13:18] <stefcho> it says its recodnizing the file systems or something like that
[13:18] <stefcho> and its full but it doesnt show up a button finish
[13:18] <stefcho> or close
[13:18] <stefcho> the bar is full [100%]
[13:18] <baizon> ok
[13:18] <baizon> alt+tab?
[13:18] <baizon> there should be a restart window
[13:18] <baizon> if not
[13:19] <baizon> press ctrl+alt+f2
[13:19] <baizon> and reboot manually
[13:23] <stefcho_> im sorry can you repeat what you said after ctrl alt f
[13:23] <stefcho_> *f2
[13:23] <stefcho_> a console got out and i couldnt see what youre saying :/
[13:24] <stefcho_> baizon??
[13:25] <stefcho_> baizoon ? dude?
[13:25] <baizon> yes
[13:25] <baizon> yes
[13:25] <baizon> so a console is there
[13:25] <stefcho_> can u repeat what you said after ctrl alt f2
[13:25] <baizon> login?
[13:25] <baizon> or a shell?
[13:25] <stefcho_> what do i write in the console
[13:25] <baizon> sudo reboot
[13:25] <stefcho_> my account and password?
[13:26] <stefcho_> i write sudo reboot and then?
[13:26] <baizon> are you in the installation mode?
[13:26] <stefcho_> the installation will start all over :/
[13:26] <baizon> or "try xubuntu without installation"
[13:26] <stefcho_> i installed it with wubi
[13:26] <stefcho_> and then i logged into xubuntu
[13:26] <stefcho_> and clicked install xubuntu
[13:27] <baizon> ok
[13:27] <stefcho_> i didnt burn it to a CD
[13:27] <baizon> so open the termial log in
[13:27] <stefcho_> but wont the installation start over when i write sudo reboot?
[13:27] <baizon> if it is done not
[13:28] <baizon> it should boot xubuntu
[13:28] <stefcho_> aha
[13:28] <stefcho_> ok thanks man
[13:28] <stefcho_> btw
[13:28] <baizon> np
[13:28] <stefcho_> can i install skype on xubuntu 11.10
[13:28] <stefcho_> ?
[13:28] <stefcho_> skype 2.2 for ubuntu 10.04
[13:28] <stefcho_> thats the latest version
[13:30] <baizon> yes you can install it
[13:30] <baizon> just open the software center
[13:30] <baizon> and install it from there
[13:31] <stefcho_> okkk
[13:31] <stefcho_> well hope this works [the reboot command]
[13:31] <stefcho_> bye now!
[14:11] <TImewarper> where can i get the shred utility from?
[14:24] <CaptainKnots> guten tag
[14:48] <baizon> hmm
[14:48] <baizon> he didnt came back so i think it doesnt work :>
[15:13] <oso__> no change one only icon
[15:14] <oso__> change a single icon
[15:15] <denco> Hi, can I ask, what do I have to install in Xubuntu 11.10 to make HDMI sound working? On Ubuntu I just change the output to HDMI card and everything works. Thanks
[15:15] <Sysi> denco: pavucontrol
[15:20] <denco> Sysi, thanks
[16:23] <casa_> hello, need some help please, i have issues printing with oneiric, this is the example
[16:23] <casa_> Con demasiada frecuencia se suele equiparar cocina rápida  --->>> con demas´ada ´´e´´ en´´a se s´e´e eq´´pa´a ...
[16:25] <casa_> printing from browser works, converting to pdf too, only fails from writer
[16:25] <casa_> thanks
[16:25] <casa_> so: xubuntu oneiric 64 bits
[16:40] <anon237865675> hi, how do i change the "mouse scroll line" in xubuntu? say it's too fast now, i wanna it to be one scroll, one line. Thanks
[17:25] <CiPi> http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2011112700241OSUB We have luck with the Xfce. :)
[17:26] <Mp5shooter> :D
[17:26] <Mp5shooter> I hate unity
[17:26] <Sysi> better than old gnome but not as good as new gnome
[17:26] <knome> guys, have the non-support conversations (incl. unity) at #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:31] <CaptainKnots> so, I solved my netbook OS dilemma
[17:32] <xubuntu497> hey
[17:37] <ruslan_osmanov> hi. is it possible to use an ubuntu mirror in xubuntu?
[17:37] <Sysi> yes
[17:37] <knome> the repositories are the same
[17:38] <ruslan_osmanov> just put the same /etc/apt/sources.list there?
[17:39] <xubuntu497> why did my ubuntu quit letting me switch work spaces, move windows, the menu bar don't sow on any apps I have to close folders and programs with the file button and go to quit with the down arrow because when I move the mouse over the menu to menu goes away
[17:39] <xubuntu497> show*
[17:39] <Sysi> xfwm4 --replace and then rm -rf ~./cache/sessions
[17:40] <xubuntu497> my mouse dissapears on start up too and shows up like a x i'm using the latest version on xubuntu
[17:40] <xubuntu497> sysi who was that for
[17:41] <Sysi> you
[17:42] <Sysi> to last line if there's no hilight
[17:43] <xubuntu497> why exactly did my system do that
[17:43] <Sysi> error happened
[17:43] <ruslan_osmanov> last question, guys. Generally I want a "lightweight version" of ubuntu without the new 3d effects, for office. Should xubuntu be the right choice then?
[17:43] <xubuntu497> xubuntu is amazing @ ruslan
[17:43] <Sysi> lubuntu is conservative too, but should be
[17:45] <xubuntu497> well i will keep that in a text file for next time I'm trying to repair my installation with my usb drive right now its still installing... how do I get my my old files
[17:45] <ruslan_osmanov> xubuntu497, Sysi, knome, thanks
[17:45] <knome> np
[17:46] <xubuntu497> well i will keep that in a text file for next time I'm trying to repair my installation with my usb drive right now its still installing... how do I get my my old files
[17:49] <xubuntu497> i didn't reinstall it just repaired it???
[17:50] <xubuntu497> this IRC ain't safe exposing peoples IP address like that yall should fix that for real by the way
[17:50] <knome> can't really be fixed, but nobody cares about the IP's anyway
[17:51] <knome> if your pc is secured with firewalls as it should, no reason to specifically hide the IP
[17:51] <xubuntu497> you would be suprised lol but whats a good firewall to use with xubuntu
[17:51] <knome> also, you *can* get a "cloak" like "unaffiliated/yournick" if you want, but you'll have to ask for it
[17:51] <xubuntu497> I just switched like a week ago from windows
[17:52] <Sysi> firewalls aren't really needed, if you don't have anything listening to open ports what could happen, used ports would need to be open anyway
[17:52] <knome> firestarter is a good software firewall
[17:52] <Sysi> linux systems have inbuilt firewall, you can configure it with firestarter or gufw
[17:53] <knome> yup
[17:53] <knome> i like firestarter
[17:53] <knome> can't remember when i last used it though
[17:53] <xubuntu497> k I'll brb i think this installation froze up its not doing anything anymore
[17:53] <knome> hardware firewalls ftw
[17:53] <xubuntu497> whats a hardware firewall while i'm here
[17:53] <xubuntu497> lol
[17:54] <knome> a device that acts as a firewall
[17:54] <knome> like a router with firewall-capabilities
[17:55] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(computing)
[19:06] <TVasEyes> hi
[20:10] <MiChael> okay i'm finally back
[20:11] <Guest79194> I tried to repair the installation and it froze thus giving me alot of problems
[20:11] <Guest79194> I accidently went to install as OEM and didn't mean to now everytime I try to install it goes into OEM mode and I don't want that I pressed f4 and normal is selected not OEM
[20:12] <Guest79194> how can I fix that
[20:12] <Guest79194> I'm booted from the drive now... In normal mode but If i click install Xubuntu it goes into OEM installation I don't wanna alose any data
[20:14] <Guest79194> anybody there
[20:14] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: back up yr home direcotry & re-install?
[20:16] <Guest79194> whats the easiest way I'm new to ubuntu...
[20:16] <Guest79194> I used windows factory back up software
[20:16] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: if you've only one or two users and not too much data
[20:17] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: use tar or zip programs to create archive(s) from user directories
[20:17] <Guest79194> 1 user and mostly pics and video but not much I've been using Kubuntu for about 2 weeks tops
[20:19] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: so, for example: cd /home ; tar cxvf mydata.tgz userdir
[20:19] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: then copy the archive to a memory stick
[20:20] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: when you re-install place /home on a separate partition -- reduces problems
[20:20] <TVasEyes> after re-install restore from archive
[20:21] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: shouldn't take too long.
[20:21] <Guest79194> an error occurred adding files to the archive permission denied
[20:22] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: you may have to do this as root or sudo since normal user hasn't permission to create files in /home
[20:23] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: are you comfortable with the outline?
[20:24] <Guest79194> sudo cd /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael ; tar cxvf mydata.zip userdir
[20:24] <Guest79194> like that?
[20:24] <Guest79194> or replace userdir with desktop
[20:24] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: almost, switches to tar -> cvzf (x is for extract, sorry)
[20:25] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: no, /home/michael, Desktop is only one directory in yr user's home
[20:25] <Guest79194> sudo cd /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael ; tar cvzf mydata.zip userdir
[20:25] <Guest79194> where will that put the files
[20:25] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: archive in the current working directory
[20:26] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: if you need to use tar cvzf /tmp/mydata ....
[20:27] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: .zip is extension for gzip/gunzip progs, .tgz or .tar.gz  when using tar with z switch (compress)
[20:28] <Guest79194> sudo: cd: command not found tar: userdir: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[20:29] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: ok, from the beginning, can you log in as root?
[20:29] <Guest79194> I'm running off of the pen drive right now
[20:29] <Guest79194> its a usb HDD
[20:30] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: so, no h/disk install?
[20:30] <Guest79194> its installed on the hard drive i'm trying to get the files from it just wont boot up
[20:30] <Guest79194> i tried repairing the installation and it froze up and want boot up since then
[20:31] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: if you've booted from usb and want data from internal h/disk, need to mount the respective partition before doing the data retrieval stuff.
[20:31] <Guest79194> it was booting up before I just couldn't do much so I figured if I repaired it it might be fine and it froze so i powered off and screwed it up
[20:31] <mongy> is there a mixer app like the one in ubuntu where I can choose which apps are muted?  I am using pulseaudio.
[20:32] <m1chael> i made an xubuntu cd, which i'll using for LiveCD purposes.. is it possible to join a windows network?
[20:32] <Guest79194> yes u can join a windows network
[20:32] <m1chael> with a live cd?
[20:33] <Guest79194> not positive...
[20:33] <Guest79194> the drive in the comp is mounted and the drive i'm running off of would have to be mounted
[20:34] <Guest79194> if I right click on them it says Eject
[20:34] <Guest79194> mount volume is greyed out
[20:35] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: the drive you're running off must be mounted already. let's take this one at the time.
[20:35] <Guest79194> k
[20:35] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: which partition is your data on?
[20:36] <Guest79194> 490 GB Filesystem       in this directory    /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael
[20:37] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: and that's mount and you can 'ls' it?
[20:37] <Guest79194> i'm new to this lol whats that
[20:38] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: 'ls' -- list directory/files
[20:38] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: man ls
[20:38] <Guest79194> its not in there just the data from the drive i'm running off of
[20:39] <Guest79194> ls: cannot access /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael: No such file or directory
[20:40] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: ok.  do you see an empty directory when doing 'ls /mnt' ?
[20:40] <Guest79194> it didnt do anything just gave me a new line to type on
[20:40] <Guest79194> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /mnt ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[20:41] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: means it exists, if you do 'ls -a /mnt' you'll see two entries.
[20:42] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: anyway, need to mount yr home directory
[20:42] <Guest79194> theres a purple dot the   a space  and 2 purple dots
[20:42] <Guest79194> .    ..
[20:42] <Guest79194> like that
[20:43] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: yes, now: mount -t auto /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael /mnt
[20:43] <Guest79194> mount: only root can do that ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[20:43] <Guest79194> :(
[20:43] <CiPi> :)
[20:44] <TVasEyes> Guest79194:yes, did ask whether you're logged in as root
[20:44] <Guest79194> :huh
[20:44] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: sorry, asked CAN you log in as root
[20:45] <Guest79194> I don't know how it just logs me in as ubuntu
[20:45] <CiPi> Guest79194, sudo passwd root - set pasword to root than - su - and enter the the password that you set it for root.
[20:45] <Sysi> nonono
[20:45] <Sysi> use sudo -i or -s
[20:45] <CiPi> :) Crap.
[20:46] <Sysi> also please mind the languge
[20:46] <TVasEyes> sudo v tedious when trying to mount, rescue data, etc
[20:46] <Sysi> *language
[20:46] <TVasEyes> better to do as root, IMO
[20:46] <CiPi> No prob. I say crap because is no problem if you change the root pass.
[20:47] <CiPi> Is better to put a strong password...if you use ssh...
[20:47] <CiPi> Is easy to access SSH within ssh scanners...
[20:47] <TVasEyes> Guest79194 will have to re-install, strong password not useful for now
[20:49] <TVasEyes> Guest79194: so, can you log in root? if not, follow CiPi post to get access, we can then get to next step.
[20:49] <guy__> ok back sorry net kicked
[20:49] <guy__> I got loggedf in as root
[20:49] <guy__> typed mount -t auto /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael /mnt
[20:50] <guy__> says it doesn't exist
[20:50] <Sysi> TVasEyes: using root is not supported on ubuntu and that is doing basically same thing
[20:50] <TVasEyes> so where did you get /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7/home/michael from?
[20:51] <guy__> I click filesystem / 490 GB Filesystem
[20:51] <guy__> and thats what is shown in the dir
[20:51] <TVasEyes> how about: mount -t /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7 /mnt
[20:52] <guy__> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu# mount -t auto /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7 /mnt mount: special device /860eaf7a-120d-4f16-ae9d-191a2c5322b7 does not exist root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu#
[20:52] <CiPi> Sysi,
[20:52] <CiPi> root@cip-VX6:~# whoami
[20:52] <CiPi> root
[20:52] <CiPi> root@cip-VX6:~# id
[20:52] <CiPi> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[20:52] <CiPi> :)
[20:52] <CiPi> Come on.
[20:53] <TVasEyes> guy__: re clicking, you should be on a console, really.
[20:54] <TVasEyes> Sysi: ubuntu discourages use of root a/c (ok with me) but all unix systems have root a/c
[20:55] <Sysi> TVasEyes: and totally zero reasons to not do things as intended
[20:55] <Sysi> unix also has sysv inits and that's disappearing fast from linux systems
[20:56] <TVasEyes> Sysi: I don't know when you started looking into guy__'s problem but s/he needs to retrieve data before re-installing.
[20:56] <TVasEyes> Sysi: doing all this from graphical ui and via sudo is (a) tedious and (b) more complicated
[20:56] <Sysi> boot livecd and run "gksudo thunar", something else?
[20:56] <TVasEyes> Sysi: please pass advice to guy__
[20:57] <Sysi> I suppose he's reading this
[20:57] <guy__> i'm running from a live HDD the installation files and on here same as USB Drive
[20:58] <TVasEyes> Sysi: sorry, I'm a bit old-school and gksudo thunar etc isn't what I'd do.  guy__ asked for help but I see now that you'd be better placed to provide the advice
[20:59] <Sysi> TVasEyes: basically anything that works is good
[21:00] <guy__> i did gksudo thunar.... now the filesystem isn't showing up in the thunar window
[21:00] <TVasEyes> Sysi: even if it means root'ing ??  :-)
[21:01] <TVasEyes> guy__: my advice/way of doing would require you to use a console,
[21:01] <Sysi> TVasEyes: it's not as ad on livesystem, and hey now he needs manual mounting
[21:02] <guy__> I was in the console and we didn't get anywhere
[21:03] <guy__> if i gksudo thunar
[21:03] <guy__> then go into the media folder
[21:03] <guy__> its there
[21:03] <Sysi> and you can access your data? you did something on console :)
[21:04] <guy__> i can access it and have been able to access it
[21:04] <guy__> i'm trying to back it up
[21:04] <guy__> and its not allowing me too
[21:04] <guy__> :|
[21:05] <TVasEyes> guy__:  where do you want to back up to? do you have another memory stick/usb device/whatever?
[21:05] <guy__> an error occurred while adding files to the archive  ----- no such file or directory
[21:06] <guy__> I am running off a hdd right now
[21:06] <TVasEyes> guy__: and will you be reformatting that hdd when you re-install?
[21:06] <guy__> and I have to HDD i have to reinstall on im going to add the files to a folder in the drive i'm using right now
[21:07] <guy__> yes will be reformatting it wont let me repair
[21:07] <guy__> im just using my live disk/hdd right now to fix the prob
[21:07] <TVasEyes> guy__: back to the error, can you actually see/list file in /home/michael?
[21:08] <guy__> yes i can and press ctrl h and all the hidden files appear too
[21:08] <guy__> i can access my pics and everything
[21:09] <TVasEyes> guy__: ok, then you can copy those files under /home/michael somewhere safe for the time being, archive is not needed
[21:10] <TVasEyes> guy__: unless you're pressed for space
[21:13] <guy__> i am pressed for space
[21:13] <guy__> but i can't move the files
[21:13] <guy__> access denied
[21:13] <TVasEyes> guy__: the usb hdd you're running from has no room?
[21:14] <guy__> i have enough but
[21:15] <guy__> i have other files i gotta back up too so its gonna be real tight anyways
[21:15] <guy__> everything gotta be on here before i reformat it
[21:16] <TVasEyes> guy__: then you'll need zip'ing or tar.  is 'access denied'  when trying to create files on yr usb hdd?
[21:20] <guy__> okay well i don't have enough space... but i try to delete files and says unable to find or create trash dir
[21:21] <TVasEyes> guy__: from console you can use 'rm file ...' but there's no recovery if you delete the wrong ones.
[21:21] <guy__> k
[21:23] <guy__> how do i delete em from the desktop what dir is that
[21:23] <TVasEyes> guy__:  /home/j<user>/Desktop
[21:24] <TVasEyes> guy__: oops, /home/<user>/Desktop
[21:25] <guy__> rm: cannot remove `home/Ubuntu/Desktop/Desktop.zip': No such file or directory root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu#
[21:25] <TVasEyes> guy__: what do you see when 'ls -l home/Ubuntu/Desktop'
[21:26] <guy__> ls: cannot access home/ubuntu/Desktop: No such file or directory root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu#
[21:27] <TVasEyes> guy__:  you used uppercase before, linux is case-sensitive
[21:27] <guy__> yea i tried both ways
[21:28] <TVasEyes> guy__: hm, what does 'pwd' show?
[21:29] <Guy__> shows /home/ubuntu
[21:29] <Guy__> brb
[21:30] <TVasEyes> guy__: and 'ls -l' ? do you see Desktop listed among files/dirs?
[21:30] <TVasEyes> guy__: sorry, what's brb?
[21:36] <Guy__> brb is be right back lol
[21:36] <Guy__> yes desktop is listed
[21:37] <TVasEyes> guy__: well, then command would be 'rm Desktop/Desktop.zip'
[21:40] <Guy__> what do I type for a space
[21:40] <Guy__> _ ???
[21:40] <TVasEyes> guy__: as in filename with space?  if yes: file\ name
[21:43] <Guy__> do u know what how the most compression tar.gz  .zip   etc
[21:43] <Guy__> has*
[21:44] <TVasEyes> guy__: I prefer tar + gzip, though zip is cross-platform, compression probably better with gzip, or even bzip2 if you've got it (with tar use j switch instead of z)
[21:49] <Guy__> think this gonna work :)
[21:50] <Guy__> your great whoever u may be
[21:50] <TVasEyes> guy__: fingers crossed, after archive created, check with t switch to test integrity, ie tar t(z|j)vf archive
[21:51] <Guy__> huh confused again lol
[21:51] <TVasEyes> guy__: which command have you decided to use to create archive?
[21:52] <Guy__> tar.gz since its default went ahead and went with it
[21:53] <TVasEyes> guy__: ok, after creation use tar tzvf archivename to check there aren't any errors (ie before you delete the file from disk)
[21:54] <TVasEyes> guy__: oops, that's delete the files from disk
[21:56] <Guy__> okay well i think i got it I'm gonna reformat I'll check back later and see if your in here and give you more thanks and let ya know if it worked if not guess i'll prob get fired lol this my pc i use for work and I have everything on it
[21:57] <TVasEyes> guy__: one word of advice: create a separate partition for yr /home, makes life so much easier
[21:57] <Guy__> i think we are good though everything is in the archieve
[21:57] <Guy__> how do i do that thoug and how much space should i use for it
[21:57] <Guy__> my HDD is 490 GB
[21:58] <Guy__> it was 501 GB but i don't know what happened to the other 11 GB :(
[21:58] <TVasEyes> guy__: oh, if you're the only user 20G or so should do it for /home.
[21:58] <Guy__> kk thanks alot
[21:58] <Guy__> i'll be back
[21:58] <TVasEyes> guy__: good luck :-)
[21:59] <zenrox> TVasEyes, i think i would of done 490gb for /home and about 10-15gb for /
[22:01] <TVasEyes> zenrox: yeah, as long as /home is separate.
[22:01] <zenrox> its what i do
[22:01] <zenrox> on the same hdd
[22:01] <zenrox> 20gb for /
[22:02] <TVasEyes> zenrox: I keep mp3's etc on NAS, 50G for /, 20G for /home, a few G for swap and /boot, rest under /opt
[22:02] <zenrox> and 200gb for /home
[22:02] <zenrox> see i just combine /boot /opt in to /
[22:02] <TVasEyes> zenrox: you store all your media files under /home/<user>?
[22:03] <zenrox> yep
[22:03] <TVasEyes> zenrox: yeah, then that's what you need.
[22:04] <TVasEyes> zenrox: I've symlink'd my Music, Videos, etc directories, so need less in /home.
[22:04] <zenrox> and 50gb for / is excive even with out letting /boot and /opt to recide in /
[22:04] <zenrox> but i dont have a nas or ext hdd
[22:04] <zenrox> and i dont use swap
[22:05] <TVasEyes> zenrox: I'm lucky in that I'm not pressed for space.
[22:05] <zenrox> i ant really either
[22:05] <zenrox> i burn most of what i d/l
[22:05] <TVasEyes> zenrox: but I do recommend a swap partition (old-school :-))
[22:05] <zenrox> if you have 3gb of ram or more ant no need unless you do heavy video editing
[22:06] <zenrox> or other ram intensive thangs
[22:06] <TVasEyes> zenrox: or have busy db server etc
[22:06] <zenrox> ya
[22:06] <zenrox> but for most average users dont need swap
[22:06] <Sysi> swap is nice when something explodes and eats your ram
[22:07] <zenrox> Sysi, never had a prob
[22:07] <Sysi> but quite arely needed for real
[22:07] <zenrox> cept when i was useing a devel ver of ubuntu
[22:07] <Sysi> I have root partition and one parition for data
[22:07] <TVasEyes> Sysi, zenrox: modern Linux much improved
[22:07] <zenrox> i have a 1gb memstick used as swap but most of the time it is removed
[22:08] <TVasEyes> less need for swap, but, old habits die hard.
[22:08] <Sysi> TVasEyes: more like "tons of cheap ram"
[22:08] <zenrox> hehehe yep
[22:09] <TVasEyes> Sysi: only got 3G on this box, 1G on another, diskspace is cheap.
[22:09] <zenrox> i member when ram (first sdram) was just comming out on the market that was just outragusly expancive
[22:09] <Sysi> TVasEyes: diskspace is uselessly slow, unless you're on emergency
[22:10] <TVasEyes> tell me about it!  4MB cost £130 or so in 1991/2
[22:10] <Sysi> I have 4GB, I'll get 8GB if I really start with virtual machines
[22:10] <Sysi> I ran without swap when I had 1GB..
[22:11] <zenrox> me too
[22:11] <zenrox> but couldent do too much
[22:11] <knome> hmmm
[22:11]  * knome thinks: #xubuntu-offtopic 
[22:11] <zenrox> with 3gb that i have now in my lappy  i can do vm's
[22:11] <TVasEyes> zenrox: do you use virtualbox?
[22:12] <zenrox> yep
[22:12] <TVasEyes> nice.
[22:12] <zenrox> with a custom kernel i built
[22:13] <TVasEyes> same here for my slackware, am too new to (x) ubuntu to dare
[22:13] <knome> TVasEyes, zenrox, Sysi... #xubuntu-offtopic please :)
[22:13] <knome> let's try to keep this channel support-only as designated
[22:13] <TVasEyes> knome: aye, sorry.
[22:13] <knome> np
[22:18] <StormStrikes> Can someone tell me if there is a list of Linux compatible Graphics cards.  A list similar to that found for like printers at openprinting.org?
[22:19] <StormStrikes> I dont want to use any third party drivers if I can avoid it...
[22:19] <Sysi> intel and older atis
[22:19] <Sysi> 3xxx, and 4xxx now too probably
[22:20] <StormStrikes> Ahhh, okay.  So ATI graphics cards dont require third party drivers?
[22:20] <zenrox> but if you wanted to use 3rd party drivers nvidia and newer atis do work just fine
[22:20] <Sysi> new ones do
[22:20] <TVasEyes> StormStrikes: there's a 'Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO', should contain details.
[22:20] <Sysi> zenrox: I wouldn't say that about ati
[22:21] <zenrox> Sysi, my wifes ati radon works just fine
[22:21] <Sysi> with propietary drivers?
[22:21] <zenrox> yep
[22:21] <StormStrikes> Ive got a laptop with a Nvidia Optimus card and I have not been able to get it to work.  I know the Optimus is an issue, but I would rather use something that just works out of the box
[22:21] <Sysi> that can happen but with nvidia it's lot more probable
[22:22] <Sysi> intel is definitely best
[22:22] <zenrox> agreed
[22:22] <zenrox> intels vid cards tend to work more often
[22:22] <StormStrikes> Im building a Desktop computer and I want to make it run out of the box without any third party drivers.
[22:22] <StormStrikes> Okay, so I will look for an Intel card.
[22:22] <Sysi> nvidia is good but you need binary blob driver, old atis work, new atis may work but they can be really terrible
[22:23] <StormStrikes> I dont do a lot of gaming so I dont need a lot of horsepower when it comes to the graphics card
[22:23] <TVasEyes> StormStrikes: then anything VESA compatible will do
[22:24] <Sysi> get nice i3/i5 rig
[22:24] <StormStrikes> Awesome,  I will check for that then.
[22:24] <StormStrikes> I really want to get an i7 if I can do so
[22:25] <Sysi> i5 2500k is pretty good already
[22:25] <StormStrikes> I have a Dell 1750 Laptop that boots in 20 seconds with xubuntu, so Im hoping I can get close to that in a desktop
[22:25] <StormStrikes> Really?  So you dont think the i7 is justified?
[22:25] <Sysi> get SSD if you want fast
[22:26] <StormStrikes> Yeah, SSD is on the list.  I also have a couple 10k Raptor hard drives as well
[22:27] <Sysi> I'm not sure if they're any use really, difference isn't that big to basic HDDs, and SSD blows them far anyway
[22:28] <StormStrikes> I got the 10k really cheap from a friend so I thought it may be useful as a boot drive.  But yeah, SSD would be a much better option.
[22:31] <StormStrikes> I have yet to use a TV tuner card in Linux.  Is there anything to look out for there?
[22:31] <Sysi> www.linuxtv.org
[22:32] <StormStrikes> Awesome.  Thank you for that link Sysi
[23:40] <st3ve> hey all.  where'd the "Shared folders" program in Applications->System go?  i seem to remember this in my old 10.04 install, but it's not in 11.04?