[00:27] <doctormon> AlanBell: It's good, but I have some news.
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <AlanBell> morning dholbach
[08:20] <dholbach> hi AlanBell
[08:29] <AlanBell> do we know how the core design team like to collaborate?
[08:45] <doctormon> AlanBell: google docs
[08:48] <thorwil> well, i guess being in one place rather often and using white-boards could also be mentioned
[09:37] <AlanBell> sabdfl reeled off a list of irc nicks in the last CC meeting, but I don't think there has been any comment from any of them
[09:37] <AlanBell> just wondering if they would prefer mailing lists to IRC or something else?
[09:37] <AlanBell> google hangouts perhaps?
[09:38] <AlanBell> "<sabdfl> it feels weird to me that the ubuntu design team doesn't include johnlea, mika, oren, calum, christian, mpt..."
[09:39] <AlanBell> mpt is here, the rest don't appear to be on freenode
[09:41] <mainerror> sladen is here as well.
[09:54] <sladen> AlanBell: FWIW, I can only see mika on the Canonical internal IRC
[09:55] <sladen> AlanBell: I will poke people a little later
[09:57] <AlanBell> great
[10:10] <mpt> AlanBell, "oren" is oreneeshy, "calum" is ckpringle
[10:11] <mpt> AlanBell, what's the "CC"?
[10:11] <AlanBell> the community council
[10:12] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/17/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:04
[10:15] <AlanBell> hi oreneeshy & ckpringle o/
[10:15] <ckpringle> hi AlanBell
[10:15] <oreneeshy> hi AlanBell
[10:24] <mainerror> Oh hello. :)
[11:25] <mainerror> Soo, is there already an official statement on this weeks meeting date and time?
[15:32] <doctormon> mainerror: Yes, there should be in the title etc.
[20:21] <shnatsel> Hi everyone! I came here following doctormon's invitation in Ubuntu Artwork mailing list.
[20:24] <thorwil> hi shnatsel
[20:25] <shnatsel> hi thorwil
[20:25] <shnatsel> glad to meet you!
[20:25] <shnatsel> oh btw, Ubuntu Studio needs some love
[20:25] <shnatsel> Boot screen and login screen background, to be exact
[20:26] <shnatsel> the mockups, to be even more exact
[20:26] <shnatsel> I can code the plymouth myself, I already have some experience in that, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75_qyL7U2ME
[20:26] <mainerror> Hello shnatsel.
[20:27] <shnatsel> hello mainerror
[20:27] <shnatsel> (that thing on youtube is very old though; I've learned a lot since then)
[20:34] <shnatsel> thorwil: UbuntuStudio devs humbly hope that you'll come up with something for their boot and login screens
[20:35] <thorwil> shnatsel: oh, will not happen.
[20:36] <shnatsel> that's a pity
[20:37] <shnatsel> they seem to be in the poorest state of all official derivatives :(
[20:37] <shnatsel> I have to help them from time to time apart from my usual work for elementary project
[20:39] <thorwil> shnatsel: because i have several things on my list that are more pressing and/or interesting. tbh i don't think this derivative should exist. not as more than a collection of (meta-) packages
[20:40] <shnatsel> thorwil: they do an amazing job shipping an OOTB environment for professional sound processing
[20:40] <shnatsel> thorwil: regular Ubuntu is hardly suitable for that
[20:40] <doctormon> shnatsel: Do you have a good definition of what UBS needs?
[20:41] <shnatsel> doctormon: I think I do. You can ask ScottL in #ubuntustudio-devel for details right now if you wish.
[20:41] <doctormon> shnatsel: You should make sure you communicate with Scott how important it is to write down everythign you need in a blueprint or similar
[20:42] <shnatsel> doctormon: last time I checked they needed a boot screen mockup and a background image for login screen
[20:42] <doctormon> Think about a design breif.
[20:42] <shnatsel> doctormon: yeah, I've already converted them to blueprints
[20:42] <shnatsel> :)
[20:42] <doctormon> It's no good asking designers to boldly seek out the very busy ScottL for information in his head ;-)
[20:44] <shnatsel> doctormon: last time I checked they needed a boot screen mockup and a background for LightDM greeter. But yeah, good point.
[20:44] <shnatsel> doctormon: thanks!
[20:48] <doctormon> shnatsel: So 1 wallpaper and 1 plymouth? Do you have a link to the briefs for each of those?
[20:51] <shnatsel> doctormon: for Plymouth - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Plymouth
[20:51] <shnatsel> doctormon: and examples at http://brej.org/blog/?p=238
[20:53] <shnatsel> doctormon: and LightDM is expected to look similar to GDM, but nobody really knows that yet :(
[20:54] <shnatsel> doctormon: like this: http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/lightDM%200.9.2%20Oneiric.png
[21:00] <doctormon> thorwil: This is why we need a website to host designs and projects. :-)
[21:01] <thorwil> doctormon: did i miss something? i'm debugging some realtime audio software. how matching, since u-studio is the topic :}
[21:02] <doctormon> thorwil: Indeed. Although I think the branding for ubuntu studio is more important that you expressed above.
[21:13] <shnatsel> MediaGoblin, anyone>
[21:13] <shnatsel> ?
[21:15] <thorwil> shnatsel: guess who did a logo and mentioned it here? ;)
[21:15] <shnatsel> thorwil: yeah, saw that on your blog :)
[21:15] <shnatsel> thorwil: nice one btw
[21:16] <thorwil> ty
[21:16] <thorwil> gotta run, good night!
[21:21] <mmiicc> AlanBell: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/28/ubuntu_tv/
[21:21] <AlanBell> O.M.G.
[21:21] <AlanBell>  /o\
[21:21] <mainerror> hehe
[21:22] <mainerror> The internet is serious business. :D
[21:41] <shnatsel> ScottL says that he would write the exact requirements this weekend
[21:46] <mainerror> doctormon: What is the status of the design team website? Do you want to wait with it until after the meeting?
[21:47] <doctormon> mainerror: I want to wait until the meeting, consensus needs to be reached.
[21:47] <mainerror> I see.
[21:48] <doctormon> shnatsel: That sounds great, make sure he'll be specifying tone, logos and a list of don'ts.
[21:48] <mainerror> I will propose the use of Trello for the design team at the meeting. I feel this could really help.
[21:49] <doctormon> mainerror: Trello?
[21:49] <mainerror> https://trello.com/board/general/4ec98e1965baaac84a1359e9
[21:51] <mainerror> It is like a todo list but a lot better.
[21:53] <mainerror> doctormon: If you give me your email address I can invite you to the design team on Trello and you can play around with it.
[21:54] <doctormon> mainerror: Everyon should know my email: doctormo@ubuntu.com
[21:55] <mainerror> Sent. :)
[21:56] <mainerror> One day I'll get such a fancy forward email address as well. :)
[21:57] <AlanBell> the ubuntu-tv mailing list is going wild
[23:23] <doctormon> AlanBell: lol, WHAT DID YOU DO! ;-)
[23:28] <AlanBell> it is all a bit mad
[23:28] <AlanBell> however, there are lots of great ideas floating about and people are doing designs and storyboards
[23:33] <doctormon> AlanBell: That's great, using Pencil or some other method?
[23:34] <AlanBell> at least three are trying pencil, I think some others are doing other things
[23:36] <doctormon> mainerror: Trying to use Trello, it's _really_ slow. Far too slow to actually use any of the functionality.
[23:37] <doctormon> AlanBell: As you run through the ideas and methods, can you report back on your perception on whether we need a formal website or not?
[23:37] <AlanBell> will do
[23:38] <AlanBell> I can see a need for a few bits and bobs