[00:03] <ali1234> "tv and toaster market" lol
[00:04] <ali1234> so with that in mind, how long before there's a version of unity that actually works with a touchscreen?
[00:05] <popey> 14.04? ☺
[00:05] <ali1234> i hope you're kidding
[00:05] <MooDoo> hi all
[00:06] <popey> well thats the aspiration mark set out
[00:06] <ali1234> it needs to happen like yesterday
[00:06] <popey> i agree
[00:06] <ali1234> 2 years is toooo looooong
[00:06] <ali1234> much much much too long
[00:07] <ali1234> tablet fad will probably be over by then
[07:53] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:23] <Ananya> hello all.
[08:24] <Ananya> i have a question
[08:24] <Ananya> when i choose a swap disk while the installation of ubuntu, will the disk be formated?
[08:24] <Ananya> or not?
[08:25] <dwatkins> Ananya: no, but the partition will be wiped.
[08:25] <Ananya> and if i want to revert it back as it was lastly so what to do?
[08:26] <dwatkins> actually, it might have changed recently, but it will certainly have its data cleared out, I think there actually is a little bit of formatting done now, as I've had problems mounting swap partitions from new linux distros on old ones
[08:26] <dwatkins> What's the problem?
[08:28] <Ananya> i think the drive choosen by me as swap drive was formated.
[08:28] <Ananya> can it happen?
[08:29] <Ananya> and if its really formatted so can i get it back? if yes then how?
[08:32] <Ananya> please tell me fast i am in a hurry.
[08:33] <dwatkins> sorry, was elsewhere
[08:33] <dwatkins> you downgraded to an older version of Ubuntu and the swap partition can no longer be used?
[08:33] <dwatkins> simple solution: don't use swap
[08:34] <dwatkins> I assume by "get it back" you mean that you want to use this partition with an older release
[08:35] <dwatkins> gparted should be able to format or wipe the relevant partition; as always, of course, ensure there's a backup of any important data etc.etc.
[08:37] <dwatkins> if you need swap in a hurry and have a spare partition with a couple gig free, you can just create a file to use for swap instead.
[08:40] <DJones> They've quite dwatkins
[08:40] <DJones> quit even
[08:40] <dwatkins> ah ok, thanks DJones
[08:40] <DJones> about 30 seconds after saying were in a hury
[08:40] <dwatkins> I set quits etc. to ignore as various channels are too noisy otherwise
[08:40] <dwatkins> oh dear
[08:41] <DJones> I have them on in small & realtively quiet channels
[08:41] <DJones> or channels where I don't care :)
[08:41] <dwatkins> heh yeah
[08:41] <dwatkins> I hope they find a solution in #ubuntu or something.
[08:42] <DJones> They've disconnected
[08:42] <DJones> completely
[08:42] <daubers> Morning
[08:43] <daubers> AlanBell: What python twitter module where you playing with the other month?
[08:43] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:43] <dwatkins> oh well, I guess they didn't want my help after-all
[08:43]  * dwatkins goes back to supporting paying customers
[08:43] <dutchie> morning czajkowski, daubers and everyone else
[08:43] <dwatkins> hiya czajkowski & daubers and all
[08:44] <DJones> dwatkins: You're supposed to answer INSTANTLY, you should know all the details because you've already accessed their computer before they thought of connecting to ask the question
[08:44] <dwatkins> haha
[08:45] <dwatkins> I'll just go ahead and take off my tin-foil hat so I can read their mind, DJones ;)
[08:46] <DJones> :)
[08:47] <DJones> Speaking of strange headgear, saturday evening, my wife went to her mums get her hair straightened, then put rollers in.......Doesn't one defeat the object of the other
[08:48] <dwatkins> Perhaps it's a bit like formatting a swap partition before using it...
[08:48] <DJones> Could be
[08:49] <DJones> Then she complained because she didn't sleep well because she left teh rollers in all night & they were uncomfortable
[08:49] <DJones> I nearly had a heart attack waking up, thought hilda ogden was in bed with me :)
[08:50]  * dwatkins sniggers
[08:50] <dwatkins> Wear a Carmen Miranda fruit hat?
[08:51] <dwatkins> Oops, gave my virtual machine too much RAM now it pauses when I update 11.04...
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:54] <DJones> Hmmh, wonder if there'll be any good deals at bestbuy now their closing down sale has started
[08:55] <dwatkins> Cyber Monday
[08:55] <MooDoo> DJones: glad there is one just over the road, but a tip, 10% to start with then more as the days go by
[08:56] <MooDoo> so it may pay to wait a few days if you want something specific
[08:56] <DJones> MooDoo: Yeah, to be expected
[08:59] <AlanBell> daubers: tweepy
[08:59] <daubers> AlanBell: ta
[09:00] <czajkowski> if anyone is about tonight and in london http://glow-london.blogspot.com/2011/11/glow-on-november-28th.html
[09:06] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Fk0_WKVi8
[09:08] <MooDoo> that looks fun :)
[09:08] <dwatkins> indeed it does
[09:10] <MooDoo> i'm sure i've seen something like that before, but more android related
[09:11] <dwatkins> Project Blinkenlights?
[09:11] <MooDoo> no hang on i'll see if i can find it
[09:12] <MooDoo> yes this is it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699NBQp6Jfg
[09:14] <dwatkins> That's really impressive :D
[09:19] <MooDoo> yeah pretty good isn't it :)
[09:19] <gord> oh. ebuyer is doing £1 sales today...
[09:20] <gord> guess i'm getting more crap i don't need
[09:20]  * MooDoo wait's for the apple mac at a £ :) lol
[09:21] <gord> well its a clearance sale, who knows what they will have ;)
[09:21] <dwatkins> Good luck with that, MooDoo ;)
[09:21]  * MooDoo has his credit card ready for best buy later :D
[09:25] <knightwise> hey everyone
[09:26] <dwatkins> hiya knightwise
[09:26] <MooDoo> hay knightwise how goes it :D
[09:27] <knightwise> doing ok
[09:27] <knightwise> getting annoyed at my Amahi server that keeps freezing up
[09:27]  * knightwise wishes he stuck to Ubuntu instead of going to fedora
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> you can always reinstall
[09:28] <knightwise> true , i checked that the only thing I "need" from amahi is minidlna
[09:28] <dwatkins> I made the mistake of putting 1 TB of data in the same partition as my OS, so reinstalling from CentOS to Ubuntu isn't going to be easy :(
[09:28] <knightwise> and i think its not that hard to install that on ubuntu
[09:29] <popey> dwatkins: shrink the partition by 10G, install ubuntu in the 10G
[09:29] <popey> job done
[09:29] <knightwise> I went to amahi for convenience .. but its kinda like IOS
[09:29] <dwatkins> popey: that's an excellent idea, thanks
[09:29] <knightwise> everything 'kinda' works but you have no control
[09:29] <dwatkins> I have a couple backup disks, but that will make it much easier, cheers popey  :D
[09:30] <popey> np
[09:30] <dwatkins> now how to shrink a Red Hat volume... ;)
[09:30] <popey> gparted from a live cd
[09:30] <popey> is it lvm?
[09:31] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15916677
[09:31] <MooDoo> lol i read that as what is it :) lol backspace time :D
[09:32] <knightwise> anyone have any experience in installing minidlna ?
[09:40] <dwatkins> I switched to fuppes and serviio, knightwise
[09:40] <gordonjcp> knightwise: yes
[09:41] <gordonjcp> knightwise: it Just Plain Works
[09:47] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone!
[09:47] <MooDoo> morning
[09:49]  * bigcalm throws smelly eggs at Monday
[09:51]  * oimon fries them in a pan with bacon
[09:56] <nigelb> JamesTait: It is a Monday, whether its Happy or not is so far questionable :)
[09:58] <DJones> oimon: Smelly eggs normally means bad eggs
[09:58] <oimon> i'm not eating them DJones
[09:58] <oimon> just cooking for unsuspecting customer
[09:59] <JamesTait> Where's the positivity? The enthusiasm? We have a whole week of awesomeness ahead of us! :)
[10:00] <oimon> JamesTait must be a bot :P
[10:00] <MooDoo> JamesTait: are you high?
[10:02] <dwatkins> What's happening this week?
[10:02] <JamesTait> oimon: ValueError: Cover blown.
[10:02] <JamesTait> MooDoo: What oimon said. ;)
[10:02] <MooDoo> JamesTait: lol does no compute
[10:03] <JamesTait> dwatkins: More of the same, I suppose, but that's not a bad thing. :)
[10:05] <dwatkins> JamesTait: true, I like it when there is time to just get on with things, as opposed to being busy with travelling etc.
[10:06] <MooDoo> well i've just hired some studio lighting for an upcoming photoshoot, so i'm a happy bunny :D
[10:06] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Ooh, get you! :-P
[10:06] <MooDoo> lol
[10:07] <JamesTait> In truth, I don't know exactly what this week holds for me, but I'm pretty certain it's going to be great fun.
[10:09] <MooDoo> JamesTait: it's good to be up bear
[10:10] <MooDoo> beat
[10:10]  * JamesTait gets his head down to do some work.
[10:13] <JamesTait> MooDoo: It is - and if I can make someone else's day a little brighter as well, so much the better.
[10:15] <badger> connect #django-cms
[10:15] <oimon> fail
[10:20] <sarea> anyone active just now?
[10:21] <MooDoo> sarea: you got a question?  just ask if you do :D
[10:21] <sarea> i need a hand, in svenska or english, my pc wont boot fully
[10:21] <MooDoo> just ask away, if there is someone here that can help they will....
[10:21] <sarea> it has graphics issues and wont behave...
[10:21] <sarea> its an eeepc 1015pn
[10:22] <sarea> i  spent 12 hours installing ans setting it all up - i would really appriciate help making it boot
[10:23] <sarea> i booted into a live usb on that machine
[10:23] <popey> ... and?
[10:24] <sarea> i need the machine for class in 1 hour
[10:24] <popey> We still don't know what the problem is.
[10:24] <popey> What exactly is the issue.
[10:25] <sarea> when i boot up, it either wont boot to a log in screen if it boots to a log in screen it freezes with horrid spotts all over the place, like an old film
[10:26] <popey> what version of ubuntu is it?
[10:26] <sarea> it the webbook lts version
[10:27] <popey> 10.04?
[10:27] <sarea> i think so
[10:28] <sarea> its not the one in development
[10:28] <sarea> it was released in 2010
[10:28] <popey> do you have it in front of you?
[10:28] <sarea> im using that machine - on live usb
[10:28] <sarea> i only have one machine
[10:29] <AlanBell> so it worked when you first installed it?
[10:29] <sarea> yes
[10:29] <AlanBell> and you spent some time setting it up, what did you do just before it broke?
[10:29] <popey> I suspect it's not got the binary nvidia driver installed
[10:29] <sarea> it must have been the updates
[10:30] <sarea> it has got that installed
[10:30] <popey> given that laptop has an ION nVidia chipset
[10:30] <sarea> it workd fine with it
[10:30] <popey> it broke after updating it?
[10:31] <sarea> i think so
[10:31] <dwatkins> oh my, CentOS has "httpd" not "apache" as the name of the package, that's doubly confusing
[10:31] <sarea> i used terminal to update it, but updates where still showing on the update manager so i updated those aswell
[10:32] <sarea> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y -s
[10:33] <chrisjrob> -s means a dry run
[10:33] <chrisjrob> which means it won't have done anything
[10:33] <chrisjrob> and -y is a bit brave
[10:33] <sarea> i didnt use -s sorry
[10:33] <chrisjrob> :)
[10:33] <MooDoo> dwatkins: that's because redhat use httpd :)
[10:34] <popey> sarea: also, you should use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, not upgrade
[10:35] <sarea> i was tempted to use  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo shutdown 2" but dicided against it
[10:36] <chrisjrob> sarea: i think you're over automating
[10:36] <chrisjrob> the prompts are there for a reason
[10:37] <sarea> i hate being so greasy... i mean having my hands on all the code
[10:37] <sarea> id never make a good mechanic
[10:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:53] <MooDoo> morning
[10:53] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this fine day?
[10:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: my eczema is stressed, and painful, but otherwise not bad. and you?
[10:56] <gord> ha, ebuyer has gone down
[10:59] <dwatkins> oh dear, my Samba share got infected with a virus which put dodgy-looking links on it
[11:00] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yup fine thanks, just hired some studio lighting, still wondering, photoshop or gimp for editing :)
[11:02] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :),
[11:02] <sarea> dwatkins: does it need an approintment with the sti team? (smaba transmitted infection team)
[11:02] <sarea> dwatkins: does it need an approintment with the sti clinic? (samba transmitted infection clinic) *
[11:03] <dwatkins> sarea: sounds scary
[11:03] <sarea> i hear they poke around and do some tests, swap results in a week or so...
[11:03] <dwatkins> Apparently it's Worm_Otorun.ash
[11:05] <MooDoo> and the server/machine had no AV?
[11:06] <oimon> AV doesn't work very well anymore
[11:06] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo how's life dude did the school let you play Father Christmas in the end?
[11:06] <dwatkins> MooDoo: it's a CentOS file server we use for virtual machine disks only
[11:07] <davmor2> morning all
[11:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:07] <sarea> dwatkins: i was making a joke
[11:07] <dwatkins> sarea: yeah, I guessed you were :)
[11:08] <sarea> sti clinic... also means sexually tranmitted infections clinic
[11:08]  * oimon is flagging already after being woken at 5am by a muttering child
[11:09] <sarea> i switched it for samba
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: try DigiKam first and see if it covers everything you need it's about the best linux photo tool (rather than full blown image editor)
[11:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning :) does it deal with RAW? actually i'll have a look
[11:13] <MooDoo> oimon: SNAP!
[11:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yes although if memory serves it still didn't do a couple of things that tonytiger needed it to do but was the closest tool for the job iirc
[11:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok i'll have a look see if it does what i want
[11:30] <gord> no ipad2's for andylockran :(
[11:30] <gord> i somehow feel my auto-refresh of the website every 30 seconds is not helping
[11:31] <MooDoo> ebuyer?
[11:32] <gord> yup
[11:33] <MooDoo> backup for me
[11:33] <MooDoo> ah no
[11:33] <MooDoo> Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): The server closed the connection without sending any data.
[11:33] <gord> its up and down
[11:33] <MooDoo> think it's a tad busy :D
[11:33] <oimon> why? they have a sale on?
[11:33] <dogmatic69> apparently things are £1
[11:34] <MooDoo> yeah
[11:34] <gord> managed to get the page up with all the things on sale for £1, its all crap =\
[11:34] <MooDoo> pah!
[11:34] <oimon> plus, the basket would prob time-out
[11:34] <MooDoo> best buy it is this afternoon for me then
[11:34] <gord> a lot of plastic things for the wii
[11:37] <MooDoo> yup it's all crap
[11:37] <gord> updated hourly though
[11:37] <gord> so who knows
[11:38] <MooDoo> hmmm think it will all be just rubbish stuff they want to get rid of
[11:45] <gord> its a clearance sale for a reason :)
[11:45] <hoover> morning all
[11:45] <gord> but that doesn't mean you won't find a few gems
[11:47]  * oimon wonders if gord still has that page in cache
[11:52] <oimon> ebuyer back up
[11:53] <Laney> why were they down? sale?
[11:53] <Laney> p.s. morning
[11:53] <MooDoo> Laney: yeah £1 sales
[11:53] <Laney> anything good?
[11:53] <MooDoo> not for me
[11:53] <oimon> died again
[11:54] <chrisjrob> given the offers went live at 12.01 this morning (probably 11.31 on facebook), i'll guess anything worth having for a £1 has gone already
[11:55] <oimon> yeah, just like amazon's "offers"
[11:55] <chrisjrob> i must be too cynical - i just deleted the email
[11:56] <chrisjrob> i did get an emachine PC for £89 though
[11:56] <chrisjrob> (not this offer)
[11:56] <oimon> nobody ever saved money by spending it :)
[11:56] <chrisjrob> a while back
[11:56] <chrisjrob> wish i'd bought a few of them
[11:56] <chrisjrob> i even beat popey on that occasion :)
[12:09] <oimon> finally go tthe buyer page up...wow, lame
[12:12] <MooDoo> oimon: +1
[12:23] <oimon> wow, what an unpleasant man that domjoly character is. how many f's and c's can you fit on a page? http://twitter.com/#!/domjoly
[12:25] <MooDoo> yup sounds very pleasant.....
[12:27] <oimon> probably bitter that he's on TV nowadays about as much as i am
[12:30] <MooDoo> oimon: well you can tell how popular he is becasue he was on celebrety get me out of here....
[12:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: is digikam any use to you?
[12:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: dunno yet, i'll try it when i get home
[13:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: just installed it on this fedora box, ok it might be an older version but it looks ok
[13:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: I know it covers a lot of features that things like fspot and shotwell don't but it is specifically a photo app and not image editing so it might be better tailored to your needs than the gimp for example but also not as powerfully a feature est as the gimp or photoshop for example
[13:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes i'll investigate more this evening, but i'll have to be quick as i have a photoshoot on the 14th dec
[13:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: well there is always the gimp for now as a fall back ;)
[13:34] <gord> i'v found the google picasa app to be pretty good for this stuff
[13:36] <davmor2> gord: this is pro-level stuff rather than editing a few pics unfortunately or I would agree :)
[13:36] <MooDoo> +1
[13:37] <MooDoo> think i may up moving back to photoshop/lightroom....
[13:38] <AlanBell> why?
[13:40] <MooDoo> AlanBell: there are little features that photoshop have that gimp doesn't and they are rather handy, but hay i said may, i'm not for at least the next few months, i promised myself i'd give foss/photography tools a proper workout
[13:40] <AlanBell> what little features?
[13:40] <gord> you can prolly do them in gimp, but it requires about ten times the effort
[13:40] <MooDoo> everything content aware related for instance.
[13:41] <MooDoo> gord your right, cloning takes ages though :)
[13:41] <gord> MooDoo, cloning how?
[13:42] <MooDoo> gord: i mean removing telephone wires in shots for instance or anything that needs removing and you need to clone the area around it with photoshop you can use hightlight it and the app will do the rest
[13:42] <gord> MooDoo, ahh yeah, get the resynthesizer - works in a similar way :) works shockingly well too
[13:42] <gord> i think you can apt-get it
[13:43] <MooDoo> ooo really?
[13:43]  * MooDoo looks
[13:43] <gord>  resynthesizer plugin even
[13:43] <gord> it did it yeeeears before photoshop too ;) not to boast ;)
[13:43] <shauno> I really wish the gimp didn't exist.  All it seems to do is get in the way of someone coming up with a decent image editor.
[13:44] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: if there are features that photoshop has that you would like to see in Gimp, why not file a feature request?
[13:44] <AlanBell> liquid rescale is awesome
[13:44] <gordonjcp> shauno: gimp is pretty good as it is
[13:45] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: that's good in the long term so i'll probably do it
[13:45] <gordonjcp> at least the interface isn't that hideous window-manager-in-window bodge that photoshop has
[13:45] <gordonjcp> photoshop is just plain unusable
[13:45]  * AlanBell likes gimp
[13:45] <gord> last i checked gimp was basically in maintainership mode, not a huge amount of feature development
[13:47] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: depends on what you're used to, photostop is nice imo....just costly
[13:47] <AlanBell> MooDoo: http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/
[13:48] <gord> could never get good results out of liquidrescale myself =\ it always stretched something or bent something
[13:48] <AlanBell> depends how much stuff you want to remove
[13:50] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: I just found its UI bizarre and confusing
[13:51] <AlanBell> gimp is the one application that works better under Unity
[13:51] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: it's got this weird thing with floating windows trapped in a larger window
[13:51] <gordonjcp> which is really just a nasty hack to get around the inadequacies of the Mac window manager
[13:51] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install gimp-plugin-registry
[13:51] <MooDoo> gordonjcp: isn't gimp 2.7 going that way?
[13:52] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: possibly, which is a terrible mistake
[13:52] <MooDoo> thanks AlanBell i'll try that this evening
[14:11] <s-fox> Hello
[14:12] <bigcalm> Is it me you're looking for?
[14:12]  * MooDoo shakes head
[14:13] <s-fox> MooDoo!!!
[14:13] <s-fox> :)
[14:13] <MooDoo> s-fox!!!!!! missed you
[14:13]  * s-fox missed MooDoo too
[14:13] <MooDoo> yay o/
[14:13] <hoover> Hey biggie
[14:13] <s-fox> I am sorry have been gone MooDoo , it has been really busy over here
[14:14] <hoover> Feeling Lionel-esque today? ;-)
[14:14] <MooDoo> s-fox: it's ok, understandable
[14:14] <s-fox> Forum Council stuff has been a little bit of a monster this month
[14:15] <MooDoo> i bet
[14:16] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to get better wifi coverage with sky?
[14:16] <popey> better antenna?
[14:16] <dogmatic69> looked at getting a new router but seems to be against TOS and a bit of a pain
[14:16] <popey> move the access point somewhere else?
[14:16] <bigcalm> popey: it's a sealed box
[14:16] <popey> nice
[14:16] <bigcalm> One would need a repeater
[14:17] <dogmatic69> was on BT and could use the wifi at the chippy down the road. now i cant even use it in a different room :/
[14:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I replaced my parent's sky adsl modem router with a netgear one for a while. You can find out your password based upon your sky modem mac address!
[14:17] <dogmatic69> :D
[14:18] <dogmatic69> ive read loads of hacks about it, also have a netgear one waiting
[14:19] <bigcalm> Oh, intersting: http://philbridges.com/?p=42
[14:20] <popey> wow
[14:20] <popey> thats a security flaw
[14:21] <AlanBell> wow
[14:21] <bigcalm> *interesting
[14:21] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: nice, that is the simplest guide ive seen. ill try that tonight
[14:22] <bigcalm> Looks to be an old article - might no longer work
[14:22] <AlanBell> run arbitary busybox commands from a url string /o\
[14:23] <bigcalm> This is the one I used to get the adsl credentials for my parents': https://www.cm9.net/skypass/
[14:23] <dogmatic69> things like that are expected when there is 'username -= admin password = sky'
[14:24] <dogmatic69> what is the point of making the TOS to only use a sky router?
[14:24] <dogmatic69> what could you possibly do with some other router?
[14:24] <bigcalm> Well, means they only have to support selected models for a start
[14:25] <dogmatic69> i guess, but they are all about the same
[14:25] <dogmatic69> almost everyone has a netgear, and that is a netgear
[14:26] <gord> "almost everyone has a netgear" - no they don't
[14:28]  * MooDoo does :)
[14:28] <dogmatic69> everyone with sky does :{
[14:28] <dogmatic69> *:P
[14:28] <MooDoo> virgin here
[14:28]  * Laney coughs
[14:29] <MooDoo> behave
[14:29] <bigcalm> Oh my
[14:30] <diplo> Afternoon all
[14:31] <MooDoo> how do diplo
[14:33] <gord> was about to get angry at ubuntu until i realised i forgot to plug in the printers usb cord =\
[14:33] <MooDoo> cough cough plonker cough cough
[14:34] <gord> in my defence, it was still showing up in the print dialogue ;)
[14:34] <MooDoo> gord: you just woken up?
[14:34] <MooDoo> ;)
[14:37] <diplo> I have just had a request from my dad to sort some sort of camera I can link to there telly so mum can see the birds in the garden ( mums partially disabled ) any one have anything similar and recommend anything
[14:37] <diplo> Everything he has looked at so far is stupidly expensive
[14:37] <Azelphur> diplo: get a small computer and plug a webcam into it, you can do loads more than just the webcam thing with it too
[14:38] <diplo> yeah I've mentioned that to him already
[14:39] <diplo> Maybe have to push it :)
[14:39] <gord> popey^^ has some experience with this kinda stuff, minus the telly i believe
[14:40] <MooDoo> wasn't that more stop motion in his back garden
[14:40] <diplo> yeah I've done what popey has done, more to link in to the telly atm
[14:40] <diplo> With so many techs in here I guess someone may have done it already
[14:41] <diplo> I'm sure I've got some old Axis IP cams somewhere, may just have to do the media centre route and link her up to one of them.
[14:42] <popey> you want moving pictures piped to the telly?
[14:42] <popey> what distance is it?
[14:43] <diplo> Telly to read door, 15ft or so
[14:44] <gord> ha stop motion, i can see it now. posing for five minutes waiting for the camera to snap. moving slightly. posing for another five minutes...
[14:44] <Azelphur> diplo: makes sense, with one box you can have as many cameras as you want (different angles, front and back gardens, internet webcams of parks?)
[14:45] <Azelphur> and it can do any other things you might feel a desire too (DVR, Stream live TV to any computer in the house, Media/File server, Print server, are some of the things I have mine doing) \o/
[14:46] <Azelphur> desire for*
[14:46] <diplo> yeah been talking them into spending some of there cash, this may be the final calling :)
[14:47] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[14:48] <danfish> diplo
[14:49] <danfish> oops - diplo: try zoneminder -  maybe a bit OTT but works for me
[14:50] <diplo> Will take  a look now thanks
[14:50] <DJones> I know people like playing games, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15923438 this is taking the P!
[14:51] <danfish> DJones: badda-tish!
[14:51] <AlanBell> best place for Windows 7 embedded
[14:52] <MooDoo> PMSL
[14:52] <AlanBell> MooDoo: high score!
[14:53] <MooDoo> lol
[14:53] <DJones> I can just imagine somebody playing the skiing game shouting "wheeeeeee" as they go downhill
[14:54] <danfish> or "your flow rate's too low - go and see your doctor!"
[14:55] <MooDoo> hope there is no drumming game
[14:55] <MooDoo> drum hero - toilet edition
[14:57] <DJones> MooDoo: Even worse, demolition derby, you've got to swerve your car into your neighbours to knock them off the road...Squelch
[14:57] <MooDoo> ewwwwwwwwwwww
[14:58] <popey> diplo: I wouldnt get a webcam, I'd get a video camera, plug into the mains, point out the back window, run a composite (cheap, easy) cable from the camera to the telly and you're done
[14:58] <popey> all mum needs to do is choose the right input on the telly and she can watch as long as she likes
[14:59] <gord> if you get one of them that has those remote controls, she could zoom as well
[14:59] <bigcalm> The fun will be to set up a rotation device
[14:59] <DJones> hmmh,  my wifes NHS trust is giving all the staff toughbooks to keep notes on
[15:00] <danfish> DJones: uh-oh. That's gonna be a real smooth ride :/
[15:00] <popey> diplo: i have a friend who works for a company that make software for webcams for this purpose
[15:00] <popey> windows software sadly
[15:01] <DJones> danfish: Tell me about it, I'm glad I'm not supporting it
[15:02] <DJones> danfish: I'm more worried about the number of missing Toughbooks after week one (most of the staff work in the community) Things are always getting left behind at clients
[15:02] <danfish> DJones: plus car breakins when staff leave the toughbooks on the car seat....
[15:04] <gord> wouldn't a note pad do the job just as well?
[15:04] <gord> i still use notepads for notes
[15:05] <DJones> danfish: My wife won't be doing that, she left her handbag on the car seat a couple of weeks ago, one broken window, missing handbag & cash nicked out the bank account
[15:05] <DJones> gord: Have you seen medical staff's handwriting......
[15:06] <DJones> Most of it could be written in a cross between chinese & japanese
[15:07] <danfish> I like to throw in a little arabic as well ;)
[15:08] <DJones> Probably some Egyptian hyrogliphics around the edges, although could just be doodles
[15:09] <DJones> danfish: They were going to give them ipads but decided on the toughbooks
[15:10] <danfish> ipads would definitely walk!
[15:11] <DJones> Heh
[15:41] <oimon> had a great idea for a piece of software last night, but forgot it this morning :(
[15:41]  * daubers dislikes exams
[15:41] <oimon> i remember thinking it was brilliant
[15:42] <MooDoo> oimon: hypnotise your self into remmebering
[15:42] <MooDoo> daubers: no one likes exams
[15:45]  * daubers just failed his mod 2 :(
[15:45] <daubers> 1 silly mistake from nerves
[15:45] <daubers> stupid exams
[15:46] <MooDoo> mod 2?
[15:46] <daubers> second practical part of the motorbike test
[15:46] <MooDoo> bugger, i'm glad i took mine 20 years ago :)
[15:46] <daubers> bah
[15:47] <oimon> just saw an apple ad on the omgubuntu page :-\
[15:47] <daubers> Looking at getting a credit card now as that's the only bloody way I can afford to retake it
[15:49] <MooDoo> oimon: google ad?
[15:50] <oimon> MooDoo: yes, although large picture, not text
[15:50] <MooDoo> oimon: doesn't surprise me
[15:51] <oimon> no, lots of "ubuntu fans" are actually just mac lovers in disguise
[15:51] <MooDoo> people will still click it though
[16:13] <bigcalm> http://work.failblog.org/2011/11/28/job-fails-the-sad-tale-of-the-failiest-printer/
[16:13] <buzz_> haha
[16:14] <MooDoo> hehe
[16:16] <oimon> that's an ubuntu error, isn't it?
[16:16] <MooDoo> looking at the theme, quite possiblyu
[16:17] <oimon> bug 784 228
[16:17] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 784 in Launchpad itself "+duplicate page has wrong title" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784
[16:17] <oimon> bug 784228
[16:17] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 784228 in evince (Ubuntu) "evince fails to print PS file to PDF file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784228
[16:19] <oimon> someone hands me a laptop. i say software will be installed in 15 mins. then realise it's vista. 15 mins, and hasnt finished rebooting yet after explorer decided not to allow clicking on things
[16:20] <oimon> double-click action seems to be linked to the fan
[16:44] <monsterwizard> in IRSSI is it possible to use a script that automatically conntects to your fav channels and servers
[16:44] <brobostigon> monsterwizard: irssi can do that on start, on its own.
[16:45] <monsterwizard> oh
[16:45] <monsterwizard> lol
[16:45] <monsterwizard> oops
[16:45] <brobostigon> http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/irssi
[16:45] <brobostigon> good instructions.
[16:46] <monsterwizard> oh thanks buddy
[16:46] <brobostigon> youre welcome.
[16:46] <monsterwizard> feels better than xchat2
[16:47] <brobostigon> :)
[16:47] <brobostigon> also, vps + screen + irssi + bitlbee, is awfully nice, :)
[16:48] <gord> huh, if you have bitlbee, why would you need a vps+screen?
[16:49] <Laney> same reason you have irssi in screen?
[16:49] <andylockran> redundancy :p
[16:50] <brobostigon> bitlbee is also alittle useless without an irssi client, to connect to it, :)
[16:50] <gord> well the point i'm making is that bitlbee provides the same function of having irssi in screen, that is a permanent irc connection
[16:51] <chrisjrob> irssi without screen is like a fish out of water
[16:51] <brobostigon> so can irssi inside screen, do xmpp? or msn etc, without bitlbee?
[16:52] <chrisjrob> not to my knowledge, i understood bitlbee was the only way
[16:52] <brobostigon> exactly,
[16:52] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[16:52] <brobostigon> hence why that is why i have this setup.
[16:52] <chrisjrob> anyway, without screen people could be talking about you behind your back
[16:53]  * chrisjrob suffers from paranoia
[16:53] <chrisjrob> have to be connected 24/7 just in case
[16:54] <brobostigon> also, it means i can have all of that, there running, aslong as i have a ssh client. anytime anywhere.
[16:54] <brobostigon> very convinient, and not having to have seperate clients either. especially resource saving on my mobile.
[16:55] <MooDoo> chrisjrob: that's me, screen + irssi + AUTOLOG :)
[16:55] <monsterwizard> irssi is on android?
[16:55] <MooDoo> wouldn't have thought so, but anything is possible
[16:55] <brobostigon> monsterwizard: running insider screen on my vps, and i then connect to it, with connectbot, and android ssh client.
[16:56] <monsterwizard> oh sweet!
[16:56] <Myrtti> brobostigon: irssi connectbot I hope
[16:56] <monsterwizard> sounds awesomely geeky
[16:56] <brobostigon> Myrtti: most definatly. yes.
[16:56] <Myrtti> that's what I do, although I don't have a vps
[16:56]  * awilkins used to run irssi inside screen on his router and connect to it with SSH
[16:57] <awilkins> It negatively impacted the uptime of the router, I think the scrollback would accumulate and fill up the RAM
[16:57] <awilkins> These days I just limit myself to running IRC when I actually want to be present...
[16:58] <brobostigon> inside 6 odd months, irssi has sgefaulted once, due to a fault in a plugin, and that has been it, otherwise stable.
[16:58] <awilkins> Oh damn, train
[16:58] <Myrtti> I just pay 30EUR per year for a shell account that has my website as well
[16:59]  * Azelphur pays £95/mo for server space \o/
[16:59] <monsterwizard> oh god
[16:59] <monsterwizard> :9
[17:02] <brobostigon> monsterwizard: it is really very simple. and has loads of benefits, as we have descibed.
[17:05] <chrisjrob> MooDoo: glad to know I'm not alone in my insanity
[17:06] <chrisjrob> and yes, autologging :)
[17:06] <MooDoo> :D
[17:08] <chrisjrob> and what about irssi scripts...
[17:08] <chrisjrob> adv_windowlist.pl   hilightwin.pl  nicklist.pl  screen_away.pl  trackbar.pl  usercount.pl
[17:08] <chrisjrob> aspell_complete.pl  nickcolor.pl   rot13.pl     splitlong.pl    uniud.pl
[17:08] <chrisjrob> forgotten i even had some of those
[17:09] <chrisjrob> vapyhqvat ebg13
[17:09] <chrisjrob> :)
[18:53] <daubers> evening
[18:56] <mgdm> hi daubers
[18:56] <mgdm> what prompted your "AAAARGH" earlier?
[18:56] <daubers> mgdm: Failed bike test :(
[18:57] <mgdm> awww :(
[18:57] <daubers> More todo with frustration with myself than anything else
[19:20] <jutnux> Alright lads/ladettes.
[19:21] <jutnux> What do you think of the sc** of our country? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i47HoiM0Au8
[19:27]  * AlanBell thinks that is rather offtopic
[19:41] <czajkowski> chrisjrob: you're not insane at all :p
[19:41] <jutnux> AlanBell: Not much in here is ontopic ;)
[19:54] <directhex> cake is on topic
[19:54] <directhex> this is mainly a channel for discussion of baking recipes
[19:59]  * MartijnVdS is now officially a Geek®
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> I've ordered a patch panel for my home
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> pah MartijnVdS - I've had a patch panel and 16 port 100Mbps switch in my house since 2000 :-) (House was flood wired with CAT5e in 1999.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I wired the house with Cat5e when I moved in, 6 years ago
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I just terminated the wires in RJ-45 connectors instead of a patch panel
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> so I have a cupboard full of wires, which I hate
[20:15] <dutchie> any folks have any clues why my shiny new build won't boot off a usb stick
[20:15] <directhex> boot order isn't set to prioritize usb?
[20:15] <dutchie> it will boot, sorry
[20:16] <dutchie> i was not particularly clear what "won't boot" means
[20:16] <dutchie> i get a load of dmesg-looking stuff scrolling past, ending with stuff about sdb and attaching a scsi removable disk
[20:17] <dutchie> though scrolling up a bit reveals a kernel oops :(
[20:17] <dutchie> "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000000010"
[20:20] <mgdm> oooh, exciting
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> eeeek
[20:21] <dutchie> how helpful of you two :P
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: when in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout :)
[20:21] <dutchie> heh
[20:22] <dutchie> i think it may be nouveau's fault
[20:23] <dutchie> is there some boot option magic i can force the proprietary drivers with?
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> do you have them installed/compiled?
[20:27] <dutchie> i just made a default amd64 11.10 usb stick, the disk in there has nothing resembling an os on it
[20:27] <Pernig> rdblacklist=nouveau works on fedora
[20:27] <Pernig> if you type that into your boot options
[20:28] <Pernig> can't remember if that's what to do for Ubuntu though
[20:28] <Pernig> maybe 'nomodeset'
[20:29] <dutchie> aha, nomodeset is an improvement
[20:29] <dutchie> yay, i have a desktop
[20:31] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:31] <Pernig> hi MooDoo
[22:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2012 Announced - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/28/community-leadership-summit-2012-announced/
[22:26] <andylockran> http://www.pingtest.net/result/51462050.png
[22:26] <andylockran> anyone give me any tips on this?
[22:26] <gordonjcp> move house?
[22:26] <andylockran> Connection just seems awful, when I remove the router it's normally much better..
[22:28] <andylockran> Doesn't make much sense to me though - any recommendations/thing to look out for
[22:29] <AlanBell> andylockran: wired or wireless connection to your router?
[22:29] <andylockran> AlanBell: currently wireless
[22:29]  * AlanBell has a computer with a really rubbish wireless usb dongle
[22:29] <andylockran> I'm using my macbook
[22:29] <AlanBell> drops loads of packets and is slow
[22:30] <andylockran> don't seem to get it elsewhere, only at home.
[22:30] <andylockran> but virgin man made me connect direct
[22:30] <andylockran> and it worked better
[22:30] <andylockran> do VM do anything to their 'own brand' wireless routers (though I believe them to be Netgear too) ?
[22:31] <AlanBell> do "mtr ubuntu.com" for a minute or so
[22:31] <AlanBell> and then do the same when plugged in via a wire
[22:31] <andylockran> when I do that I get packet loss on the edge of the virgin network most the time
[22:33] <andylockran> tweeted you
[22:40] <Myrtti> oh boo
[22:40] <Myrtti> Skype crashes on login on the tablet
[22:40] <Myrtti> this is not amusing
[22:49] <AlanBell> andylockran: eww, nasty
[23:02] <popey> ☺
[23:03] <mgdm> I have no idea how you type Unicode chars on a Mac :(
[23:10]  * AlanBell declares quicksynergy to be rather awesome
[23:10] <AlanBell> !info quicksynergy
[23:10] <lubotu3`> quicksynergy (source: quicksynergy): GUI for easy configuration of Synergy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-1 (natty), package size 24 kB, installed size 176 kB
[23:10] <AlanBell> it lets you use your mouse and keyboard across multiple computers next to each other
[23:13] <Azelphur> AlanBell: hehe, I was using that about 5 years ago :)
[23:14] <Azelphur> it is cool, though
[23:18] <AlanBell> not mind blowing stuff, but I keep finding I am typing stuff on the wrong keyboard so it would be less confusing for me