| jrwren | where are you? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | alabama | 00:00 |
| rick_h_ | at some Auburn U hotel that's fancy as all get out | 00:00 |
| jrwren | hatiesburg. | 00:00 |
| jrwren | oh, Auburn. | 00:00 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 00:00 |
| rick_h_ | kind of crazy, never flown into one state to arrive at another (ATL->Auburn) | 00:00 |
| jrwren | ha! that is different. | 00:02 |
| jrwren | cab from ATL to Auburn? | 00:02 |
| jrwren | how long of a drive? | 00:02 |
| rick_h_ | rental car, here all week about 1:40 | 00:02 |
| jrwren | what ya doing there? | 00:02 |
| rick_h_ | supposed to have an intro sprint with the new boss | 00:03 |
| rick_h_ | but his mother died this weekend, so now working on my own for a couple of days and then sprint with him rest of week after that I think | 00:03 |
| jrwren | damn, sucks about his mom. | 00:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, definitely | 00:03 |
| rick_h_ | guess she's been sick a while and he's been in/out for months. | 00:04 |
| rick_h_ | but yea,I feel kind of rotten coming down and all | 00:04 |
| snap-l | Evening | 02:04 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Oh man, sorry to hear that re: your boss' mom | 02:05 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, bad stuff | 02:38 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, bad stuff | 02:54 |
| rick_h_ | gah, bad network connection here | 02:55 |
| jrwren | how was the pizza? | 03:03 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:42 |
| Wolfger | morning | 12:47 |
| brousch | yessir | 12:48 |
| snap-l | Apparently Apress' $15 sale is crushing the site | 12:49 |
| brousch | i saw 60% off the readable code book | 12:53 |
| brousch | and designing mobile interfaces | 12:54 |
| Wolfger | Javascript: The Definitive Guide, or Javascript: The Good Parts? Not sure which sounds better... | 13:03 |
| Wolfger | Art of Readable Code sounds like a winner. | 13:03 |
| snap-l | Well, The Good Parts is a great way to learn best practices about Java | 13:03 |
| snap-l | Script | 13:03 |
| snap-l | not sure why I hit return too early. :) | 13:03 |
| snap-l | Definitive Guide is a great reference manual | 13:04 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 13:04 |
| rick_h_ | cranky is coming to down... | 13:05 |
| brousch | rick_h_'s wallet is probably aching already | 13:05 |
| rick_h_ | nope, staying away | 13:05 |
| brousch | cranky the crane? | 13:05 |
| rick_h_ | something like that | 13:05 |
| Wolfger | cranky the shaft? | 13:05 |
| rick_h_ | stupid meeting room isn't ready until 8, asked if they coule move it up to 7am all week, confused the heck out of the poor girl | 13:05 |
| brousch | mr. crankypants? | 13:06 |
| rick_h_ | yea, well I kind of think understanding engligh is a requirement for hotel front desk work | 13:07 |
| snap-l | That's you're problem right there. | 13:07 |
| snap-l | Alabammers speak southern, not Englush. P) | 13:07 |
| brousch | try saying it again, but with a mouth harp | 13:08 |
| rick_h_ | no, she wasn't from around here | 13:08 |
| rick_h_ | but thanks for the help | 13:08 |
| rick_h_ | I'm going to be quiet before I set of alarm bells | 13:08 |
| snap-l | The rayen in spayen flaws rawtly awn the playen | 13:08 |
| snap-l | Got the nook last night | 13:14 |
| brousch | color? | 13:15 |
| snap-l | Tablet | 13:15 |
| brousch | d00d | 13:15 |
| snap-l | JoDee got it for me for Christmas, but couldn't wait to give it to me. | 13:15 |
| brousch | root that sexy beast yet? | 13:15 |
| snap-l | No, I have to be gentle with it. :) | 13:15 |
| Wolfger | Heh | 13:15 |
| Wolfger | How do you like it so far? Killed lots of pigs yet? ;-) | 13:16 |
| brousch | sure, sure, break it in gently for a while, then root the heck out of it | 13:16 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Funny enough, I haven't installed Angry Birds on it yet. | 13:16 |
| snap-l | The reader portion is very good | 13:17 |
| snap-l | lots better than what was on the color | 13:17 |
| snap-l | they finally got it right. | 13:17 |
| brousch | the reader was good on the color | 13:17 |
| snap-l | It's much improved on the Tablet | 13:17 |
| brousch | just not good enough to keep me from all of the CM goodness | 13:17 |
| snap-l | I hope they give you an upgrade | 13:17 |
| brousch | pretty pointless since i don't use it | 13:18 |
| brousch | i just use the Nook App from the android market | 13:18 |
| brousch | adobe reader works well for pdf | 13:19 |
| snap-l | brb for kernel upgrade | 13:28 |
| brousch | someone buy this for me for xmas please http://dvice.com/archives/2011/11/asus-quad-core.php | 14:38 |
| brousch | i don't even have a quad core computer and now tablets have it? | 14:40 |
| snap-l | brousch: Pretty soon you'll be able to compile C programs in no time on your tablet | 14:47 |
| snap-l | of course, your battery life will be around 15 seconds, so it better be "Hello World" | 14:48 |
| Wolfger | ooh, that's a pretty tablet | 15:05 |
| Wolfger | with optional keyboard | 15:05 |
| snap-l | http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/editorials/are-jquery-users-fools/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nettuts+%28Nettuts%2B%29 | 15:09 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ^^ ;) | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, saw that one this weekend | 15:09 |
| Wolfger | So I see Google updated its names policy to allow for Mononyms, if you use a "." for your last name and include a photo ID. :-p | 15:09 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I'm slow. :) | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | gave it a scan, it's a few points, but I don't think it's greatly written | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | but at least I don't feel alone out there :P | 15:09 |
| Wolfger | and so I changed my last name to "." as they tell me to, and the auto-response is that this doesn't adhere to the names policy. | 15:09 |
| snap-l | YOU ARE NOT ALONE | 15:10 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Great. :( | 15:10 |
| Wolfger | I'm still waiting for them to not require real names as they announced they would well over a month ago :-( | 15:11 |
| snap-l | WEll, at lease they have some semblance of backtracking | 15:11 |
| snap-l | I'm sure Cher, Shakira, and Madonna are pleased as munch | 15:12 |
| snap-l | punch, even. | 15:12 |
| Wolfger | or, barring that, for them to disable my G+ as I told them to even longer ago... | 15:12 |
| Wolfger | The funniest thing is that when I go to my profile page, there is a banner that says "Wolfger - is using Google+. Join Google+ to connect with the people who matter most." | 15:13 |
| Wolfger | Liars. | 15:13 |
| Wolfger | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/122068/what-do-neglected-oreilly-book-topics-tell-us-about-that-topic bwahahahah | 15:19 |
| snap-l | n/url | 15:19 |
| snap-l | Are you fucking kidding me? | 15:20 |
| snap-l | I added a comment. | 15:23 |
| Wolfger | ++ | 15:23 |
| Wolfger | Of course, I also ++'d the conspiracy comment | 15:24 |
| snap-l | Yeah, me too | 15:24 |
| Wolfger | p.se... Your daily dose of humor that wasn't intended to be humor. | 15:24 |
| rick_h_ | so anyone know how I can get the full command being run I see in ps? | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | it's too long and gets truncated | 15:25 |
| brousch | ps -aux | cat | 15:27 |
| snap-l | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/122074/whats-the-best-chair-for-sitting-at-the-computer-and-developing | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: doh, pipe ftw | 15:27 |
| * snap-l gets ready to burn karma. ;) | 15:27 | |
| rick_h_ | stand up! | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | <3 my stand up desk | 15:28 |
| rick_h_ | and you're not getting it for $200 | 15:28 |
| rick_h_ | try 4x that | 15:28 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: No kidding. :) | 15:28 |
| brousch | $800 for a desk? | 15:29 |
| snap-l | brousch: $800 for a desk that goes up and down | 15:29 |
| Wolfger | rick_h_: what a racket.... no-chair costs more than chair? | 15:29 |
| snap-l | hah, got closed. | 15:34 |
| Wolfger | decisions, decisions... my membership in Bug Squad is about to expire. | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | no, $800 for a chair | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | the desk is half that, which is why i went desk vs chair | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | well, a little over half that I guess once I put a top on it and shipped it | 15:35 |
| Wolfger | $800 is way too much for a chair | 15:35 |
| snap-l | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/742/good-furniture-for-programmers | 15:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, well I spent $400 ona chair and still not happy with it | 15:36 |
| Wolfger | I got chairs in the $100-200 range at staples, with optional 3-year warranty. | 15:36 |
| Wolfger | Casters broke, called in the warranty, they didn't even bother trying to fix, just sent me a staples gift card for the replacement cost on the chair. | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | yea, they suck, sorry. I've gone through a half dozen chairs over the last 10 years | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | this last one finally lastd a few years, but still not comfy enough for full work day | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 15:37 |
| Wolfger | which I used to buy new casters that I installed myself, and I don't remember what else. But it was nice :-) | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | it's less about what will hold your butt, and more about a chair that's ergo correct so you can keep typing into your 60s | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | while walking in an upright position | 15:38 |
| brousch | we bought refurbs for $150/ea | 15:38 |
| Wolfger | meh. Walking upright is over-rated :-) | 15:38 |
| brousch | they've been nice for 5 years | 15:38 |
| Wolfger | I was actually quite happy with my cheap Staples chair, until the arm cushion got ripped. | 15:39 |
| Wolfger | It was a far better chair than what I'm forced to deal with at work every damned day | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: http://www.amazon.com/Office-Star-Ergonomically-Designed-Mahogany/dp/B002L15NS0/ref=sr_1_23?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1322494815&sr=1-23 are pretty cool | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | should try that for a bit | 15:40 |
| Wolfger | the problem with those chairs is the same problem I have with standing desks... | 15:42 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ONBT4O/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&redirect=true is what I got back in 2007 | 15:42 |
| Wolfger | No place to recline :-) | 15:42 |
| rick_h_ | it's been nice for that long, but needs replacing bad now | 15:43 |
| brousch | yeah, i love my recline | 15:43 |
| rick_h_ | recline isn't for coding | 15:43 |
| rick_h_ | go to your living room then :P | 15:43 |
| Wolfger | recline is for when you're *not* busy, granted, but it's nice to be able to do when you have time to relax. | 15:44 |
| Wolfger | I also like to recline while talking to somebody who's bugging me at my desk | 15:44 |
| brousch | yeah, i don't code for 9 hours then go home | 15:46 |
| rick_h_ | ouch, snap-l is shut down in a hurry | 15:50 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah, I suck. :) | 15:51 |
| snap-l | It was mostly a joke posting | 15:52 |
| snap-l | WHat the fuck? | 15:53 |
| snap-l | Just got a dump of buzz traffic in my mail | 15:53 |
| brousch | snap-l: me too | 15:53 |
| brousch | old stuff | 15:53 |
| snap-l | Yeah, really old stuff | 15:54 |
| brousch | hm, i think wolfger commented in each one of them | 15:56 |
| brousch | probably his fault | 15:56 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I wonder if there was a wolfgerjam | 15:56 |
| Wolfger | could be | 15:57 |
| Wolfger | maybe my G+ got reinstated? | 15:58 |
| brousch | but this was buzz stuff | 15:58 |
| Wolfger | I actually quit using Buzz some time ago when suddenly the only person I was following was gamerchick | 15:58 |
| brousch | :P | 15:58 |
| Wolfger | brousch: I lost the ability to comment on Buzz posts due to G+ | 15:59 |
| Wolfger | and the profile fiasco | 15:59 |
| Wolfger | sweet! I can comment in Buzz again! | 16:01 |
| Wolfger | and I'm back to "following 53 people" | 16:01 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Are things getting sorted out in the Google front? | 16:04 |
| Wolfger | Woot. I publicly +1'd something in Reader and didn't get an error! | 16:05 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Did a console.log on 'this" under Node. Now I understand why you slapped my hand for using it in that script I was writing for Fudge dice. | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Definitely not the same as Python's "this" | 16:06 |
| snap-l | ;) | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: oh heh | 16:06 |
| Wolfger | of course, the Plus site itself is still blocked by Chrysler... | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | well all depends on what "this" is | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | this is all a matter of scope in JS | 16:06 |
| snap-l | Exactly | 16:06 |
| snap-l | Just a bad habit to get into | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | well console.log is all good | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | I don't recall what the issue I "slapped" your hand about tbh | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | but cool if it makes sense :) | 16:08 |
| snap-l | I used this.variable to house my variables | 16:09 |
| snap-l | you changed it to var that = {}; that.value = 0; | 16:09 |
| snap-l | etc. | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | ah ok | 16:09 |
| snap-l | under a function literal. | 16:10 |
| Blazeix | http://cloud9ide.posterous.com/vim-mode-for-advanced-editing-in-cloud9-ide | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | yea, big win if they can get a decent experience | 17:07 |
| snap-l | Awesome | 17:07 |
| n0p | rick_h_: you work at launchpad now? | 17:17 |
| rick_h_ | n0p: yea | 17:17 |
| n0p | wow, cool, congrats! | 17:17 |
| rick_h_ | ty | 17:17 |
| rick_h_ | down in AL to meet my boss and try to get bootstrapped on some of this crazy stuff | 17:17 |
| n0p | ah, cool when did you start? | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | couple of weeks ago | 17:18 |
| n0p | nice | 17:18 |
| n0p | i wanted to ask you about phantomjs, you still playing with it? | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | yea, fun stuff, lots to get my head around | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | n0p: little bit, I use it for bookie js testing | 17:18 |
| n0p | we are looking to replace selenium | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | meh, since it doesn't launch browsers, it's not a great replacement | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | it's good for an automated test "does it obviously fail" | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | but not great for real browser testing | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | I use it for testing my bookis.api.js against a server to make sure my api code works | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | but I wouldn't use it for interface testing | 17:19 |
| n0p | ah, ic | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | the new selenium webdriver stuff not making you guys happy? | 17:20 |
| n0p | but it does do UI testing? | 17:20 |
| n0p | yeah, its not supported in phpunit | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | so really, all it does is run JS | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | so if your JS tests the UI then you can do it | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | but it's really just a dump headless browser | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | so to get it to test my JS, I load a .html page that has qunit JS tests on it | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | and then parse the output of the html for success/fail | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | so you can load up your page using phantomjs and get the page content and then walk through the html if you want I guess | 17:22 |
| n0p | hmm | 17:22 |
| rick_h_ | http://css.dzone.com/articles/phantom-js-alternative | 17:22 |
| * n0p reading | 17:23 | |
| rick_h_ | so that article is doing like what you want I think | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | but even they kind of ack that it's a bit fundamentally different | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | I think phantomjs makes a great "runner" for a test framework | 17:25 |
| rick_h_ | you could build a test framework around phantomjs, but it's not one itself | 17:26 |
| rick_h_ | I think that better says what I've been trying to explain | 17:26 |
| n0p | yeah, still trying to read it, a few conversations floating around here | 17:27 |
| rick_h_ | np | 17:27 |
| Wolfger | http://perlbuzz.com/2011/11/finding-a-lost-dogs-owner-with-perl-and-wwwmechanize.html | 17:27 |
| n0p | heh, good ol mechanize | 17:28 |
| rick_h_ | off to find local food, let me know if you've got any other ? n0p | 17:29 |
| n0p | thanks, and congrats again | 17:29 |
| Wolfger | Here is a staffer who should get a stern reprimand, if not lose his job... If he just lets this slide, probably nobody notices. Now it's national news and this girl is gaining all sorts of popularity. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/us/kansas-high-schooler-tweet/index.html | 18:09 |
| brousch | has anyone heard of this before? it looks like tons of open source programs (i.e. vim) on android http://nookdevs.com/Optware_for_Android | 18:20 |
| greg-g | brousch: whoa, you can run irssi on your nook! :) | 18:23 |
| brousch | yeah, that is targetted at nook color, but i think you can do it on mosy anything | 18:25 |
| greg-g | awesome | 18:30 |
| Wolfger | "What are you playing, Angry Birds?" "No. Nethack." | 18:33 |
| _stink_ | o/o/ | 18:34 |
| Wolfger | Apache seems like overkill... | 18:34 |
| brousch | samba? | 18:35 |
| Wolfger | "What are you reading?" "Server logs. People from 13 different countries have visited my Nook." | 18:35 |
| brousch | perl 5.10.0-6 | 18:36 |
| Wolfger | \o/ | 18:36 |
| brousch | alot of useless stuff like that | 18:36 |
| brousch | :-D | 18:36 |
| brousch | php | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | your own wordpress? | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | or launchpad instance! :P | 18:37 |
| brousch | postgresql 8.2.13-2 | 18:37 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: har har! doesn't LP take 3 servers to setup correctly to just test it? :P | 18:38 |
| Wolfger | there you go, rick_h_. A business case for Canonical to buy you a Nook tablet :-) | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: only 3? :P | 18:38 |
| greg-g | I figured they were making improvements on community involvement, I guess not ;) | 18:38 |
| brousch | python 2.5 2.6 and 2.7 | 18:39 |
| greg-g | seriously though rick_h_, do you have something like a Canonical-paid aws account for testing LP? | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: no, we run out test suite on AWS and I'm supposed to be able to expense the ec2 time on there | 18:39 |
| brousch | zsh 4.3.10-1 | 18:40 |
| rick_h_ | but nothing from them to rnu on. I run on my laptop tbh | 18:40 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: ah, ok | 18:40 |
| greg-g | by "I'm supposed to be able to expense the ec2 time" you mean you have to have a good reason why you used 20 minutes to do X? | 18:40 |
| brousch | zsh+git+python rick_h_ could live on this | 18:40 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: well I guess I need to expense it via paper that says "I spent 40hrs of ec2 running LP tests so please write me a check" | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | I've not been there a month yet to find out | 18:41 |
| greg-g | ah, gotcha | 18:41 |
| rick_h_ | but there's a built in test runner (tests take 3-4hrs to run) | 18:41 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:41 | |
| rick_h_ | that starts up an ec2 instance and rnus all tests, reports to the rest of the infrastructure | 18:41 |
| jjesse | rick_h_, you need a credit card that gives you mileage or points | 18:43 |
| jjesse | to use as your work expenses :) | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | jjesse: got it | 18:43 |
| jjesse | so check = miles :) | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | and yes, will be using that for stuff. Still working on getting it used | 18:43 |
| jjesse | what happened to your laptop bag? i think you posted TSA complained about it? | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | jjesse: oh just that everyone's cranking through and my bag gets scanned back/forth 20 times | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | and they bring over a guy who says "he just wants me to check out all this electronic gear | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | so he tears it apart, unpacks it all into 4 more bins, and then I have to wait in line while they rescan it all | 18:45 |
| rick_h_ | no one else called out anywhere, so of course I've got enough silicon in my laptop bag to set off alarms above anyone else on a holiday rush travel day | 18:45 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: hahaha, the rick_h_ I know and love | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | hey, not my fault I'm bringing a second usb monitor, a pico projector, along with the crap to run this stuff | 18:46 |
| _stink_ | "what is this?" "it's zsh" "stay here sir while i call my supervisor." | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: yea, if they ever want me to power on my stuff I'm going to be missing that flight | 18:46 |
| brousch | github? what's that, some association for perverted jerks? | 18:47 |
| jjesse | wow | 18:47 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I'm pretty sure your awesome setup is a threat to national security. | 18:47 |
| jjesse | just build a 2nd partition of windows that you would boot to :) | 18:47 |
| rick_h_ | jjesse: hey, this ssd disk space is previous, I'm not bothering to install windows :P | 18:48 |
| jjesse | yeah i know | 18:48 |
| jjesse | i'm now on a SSD as well | 18:48 |
| brousch | set up a boot option that just loads a windows desktop png | 18:48 |
| greg-g | brousch: hah, there ya go, genius | 18:49 |
| rick_h_ | "please open word sir" | 18:49 |
| rick_h_ | oh 23@#$#@$#@ | 18:50 |
| greg-g | "how's LibreOffice?" "libre-what? that's a french word! KILL HIM!" | 18:50 |
| greg-g | ok, I think I went too fast with that joke to the killing | 18:50 |
| * greg-g looks around | 18:51 | |
| greg-g | yep | 18:51 |
| _stink_ | sorry on the phone with the Feds turning you in. | 18:51 |
| brousch | yeah, they would just probe him | 18:51 |
| greg-g | _stink_: well played | 18:51 |
| _stink_ | i guess they're busy, might be a few days. | 18:51 |
| _stink_ | <3 | 18:51 |
| jjesse | they are busy building the new tunnel under the white house front lawn :) | 18:52 |
| greg-g | ? | 18:54 |
| jjesse | you didn't see the article about all the work being done in the front lawn of the white house? | 18:54 |
| jjesse | http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/in-the-nations-capital-underground-is-where-its-at/2011/11/22/gIQABFo42N_story.html?tid=sm_btn_googlePlus | 18:55 |
| greg-g | me? news? | 18:55 |
| greg-g | wait, no pics? | 18:55 |
| brousch | it's a secret compound. who would have pix? | 18:56 |
| jjesse | yeah i was disappointed as well | 18:56 |
| greg-g | at least of the above ground commotion | 18:56 |
| * snap-l loves this photo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Kenny_G_Miles_Davis.jpg | 20:17 | |
| snap-l | Miles' expression on his face says it all. | 20:17 |
| greg-g | haha | 20:20 |
| brousch | sigh, i have failed to install optware for android | 21:07 |
| Blazeix | cool article about python: http://mirnazim.org/writings/python-ecosystem-introduction/ | 23:41 |
| Blazeix | it hits pyflakes/pip/virtualenv/etc. i imagine it almost gets the rick_h_ stamp of approval, but then it includes django. | 23:42 |
| Blazeix | oh, fabric, too. | 23:43 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 23:55 |
| rick_h_ | well I do like to keep my stamp ready | 23:55 |
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