[00:00] where are you? [00:00] alabama [00:00] at some Auburn U hotel that's fancy as all get out [00:00] hatiesburg. [00:00] oh, Auburn. [00:00] yea [00:00] kind of crazy, never flown into one state to arrive at another (ATL->Auburn) [00:02] ha! that is different. [00:02] cab from ATL to Auburn? [00:02] how long of a drive? [00:02] rental car, here all week about 1:40 [00:02] what ya doing there? [00:03] supposed to have an intro sprint with the new boss [00:03] but his mother died this weekend, so now working on my own for a couple of days and then sprint with him rest of week after that I think [00:03] damn, sucks about his mom. [00:03] yea, definitely [00:04] guess she's been sick a while and he's been in/out for months. [00:04] but yea,I feel kind of rotten coming down and all [02:04] Evening [02:05] rick_h_: Oh man, sorry to hear that re: your boss' mom [02:38] snap-l: yea, bad stuff [02:54] snap-l: yea, bad stuff [02:55] gah, bad network connection here [03:03] how was the pizza? [12:42] Good morning [12:47] morning [12:48] yessir [12:49] Apparently Apress' $15 sale is crushing the site [12:53] i saw 60% off the readable code book [12:54] and designing mobile interfaces [13:03] Javascript: The Definitive Guide, or Javascript: The Good Parts? Not sure which sounds better... [13:03] Art of Readable Code sounds like a winner. [13:03] Well, The Good Parts is a great way to learn best practices about Java [13:03] Script [13:03] not sure why I hit return too early. :) [13:04] Definitive Guide is a great reference manual [13:04] morning [13:05] cranky is coming to down... [13:05] rick_h_'s wallet is probably aching already [13:05] nope, staying away [13:05] cranky the crane? [13:05] something like that [13:05] cranky the shaft? [13:05] stupid meeting room isn't ready until 8, asked if they coule move it up to 7am all week, confused the heck out of the poor girl [13:06] mr. crankypants? [13:07] yea, well I kind of think understanding engligh is a requirement for hotel front desk work [13:07] That's you're problem right there. [13:07] Alabammers speak southern, not Englush. P) [13:08] try saying it again, but with a mouth harp [13:08] no, she wasn't from around here [13:08] but thanks for the help [13:08] I'm going to be quiet before I set of alarm bells [13:08] The rayen in spayen flaws rawtly awn the playen [13:14] Got the nook last night [13:15] color? [13:15] Tablet [13:15] d00d [13:15] JoDee got it for me for Christmas, but couldn't wait to give it to me. [13:15] root that sexy beast yet? [13:15] No, I have to be gentle with it. :) [13:15] Heh [13:16] How do you like it so far? Killed lots of pigs yet? ;-) [13:16] sure, sure, break it in gently for a while, then root the heck out of it [13:16] Wolfger: Funny enough, I haven't installed Angry Birds on it yet. [13:17] The reader portion is very good [13:17] lots better than what was on the color [13:17] they finally got it right. [13:17] the reader was good on the color [13:17] It's much improved on the Tablet [13:17] just not good enough to keep me from all of the CM goodness [13:17] I hope they give you an upgrade [13:18] pretty pointless since i don't use it [13:18] i just use the Nook App from the android market [13:19] adobe reader works well for pdf [13:28] brb for kernel upgrade [14:38] someone buy this for me for xmas please http://dvice.com/archives/2011/11/asus-quad-core.php [14:40] i don't even have a quad core computer and now tablets have it? [14:47] brousch: Pretty soon you'll be able to compile C programs in no time on your tablet [14:48] of course, your battery life will be around 15 seconds, so it better be "Hello World" [15:05] ooh, that's a pretty tablet [15:05] with optional keyboard [15:09] http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/editorials/are-jquery-users-fools/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nettuts+%28Nettuts%2B%29 [15:09] rick_h_: ^^ ;) [15:09] snap-l: yea, saw that one this weekend [15:09] So I see Google updated its names policy to allow for Mononyms, if you use a "." for your last name and include a photo ID. :-p [15:09] rick_h_: I'm slow. :) [15:09] gave it a scan, it's a few points, but I don't think it's greatly written [15:09] but at least I don't feel alone out there :P [15:09] and so I changed my last name to "." as they tell me to, and the auto-response is that this doesn't adhere to the names policy. [15:10] YOU ARE NOT ALONE [15:10] Wolfger: Great. :( [15:11] I'm still waiting for them to not require real names as they announced they would well over a month ago :-( [15:11] WEll, at lease they have some semblance of backtracking [15:12] I'm sure Cher, Shakira, and Madonna are pleased as munch [15:12] punch, even. [15:12] or, barring that, for them to disable my G+ as I told them to even longer ago... [15:13] The funniest thing is that when I go to my profile page, there is a banner that says "Wolfger - is using Google+. Join Google+ to connect with the people who matter most." [15:13] Liars. [15:19] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/122068/what-do-neglected-oreilly-book-topics-tell-us-about-that-topic bwahahahah [15:19] n/url [15:20] Are you fucking kidding me? [15:23] I added a comment. [15:23] ++ [15:24] Of course, I also ++'d the conspiracy comment [15:24] Yeah, me too [15:24] p.se... Your daily dose of humor that wasn't intended to be humor. [15:25] so anyone know how I can get the full command being run I see in ps? [15:25] it's too long and gets truncated [15:27] ps -aux | cat [15:27] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/122074/whats-the-best-chair-for-sitting-at-the-computer-and-developing [15:27] brousch: doh, pipe ftw [15:27] * snap-l gets ready to burn karma. ;) [15:27] stand up! [15:28] <3 my stand up desk [15:28] and you're not getting it for $200 [15:28] try 4x that [15:28] rick_h_: No kidding. :) [15:29] $800 for a desk? [15:29] brousch: $800 for a desk that goes up and down [15:29] rick_h_: what a racket.... no-chair costs more than chair? [15:34] hah, got closed. [15:34] decisions, decisions... my membership in Bug Squad is about to expire. [15:34] no, $800 for a chair [15:34] the desk is half that, which is why i went desk vs chair [15:35] well, a little over half that I guess once I put a top on it and shipped it [15:35] $800 is way too much for a chair [15:35] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/742/good-furniture-for-programmers [15:36] yea, well I spent $400 ona chair and still not happy with it [15:36] I got chairs in the $100-200 range at staples, with optional 3-year warranty. [15:37] Casters broke, called in the warranty, they didn't even bother trying to fix, just sent me a staples gift card for the replacement cost on the chair. [15:37] yea, they suck, sorry. I've gone through a half dozen chairs over the last 10 years [15:37] this last one finally lastd a few years, but still not comfy enough for full work day [15:37] lol [15:37] which I used to buy new casters that I installed myself, and I don't remember what else. But it was nice :-) [15:38] it's less about what will hold your butt, and more about a chair that's ergo correct so you can keep typing into your 60s [15:38] while walking in an upright position [15:38] we bought refurbs for $150/ea [15:38] meh. Walking upright is over-rated :-) [15:38] they've been nice for 5 years [15:39] I was actually quite happy with my cheap Staples chair, until the arm cushion got ripped. [15:39] It was a far better chair than what I'm forced to deal with at work every damned day [15:40] snap-l: http://www.amazon.com/Office-Star-Ergonomically-Designed-Mahogany/dp/B002L15NS0/ref=sr_1_23?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1322494815&sr=1-23 are pretty cool [15:40] should try that for a bit [15:42] the problem with those chairs is the same problem I have with standing desks... [15:42] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ONBT4O/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&redirect=true is what I got back in 2007 [15:42] No place to recline :-) [15:43] it's been nice for that long, but needs replacing bad now [15:43] yeah, i love my recline [15:43] recline isn't for coding [15:43] go to your living room then :P [15:44] recline is for when you're *not* busy, granted, but it's nice to be able to do when you have time to relax. [15:44] I also like to recline while talking to somebody who's bugging me at my desk [15:46] yeah, i don't code for 9 hours then go home [15:50] ouch, snap-l is shut down in a hurry [15:51] rick_h_: Yeah, I suck. :) [15:52] It was mostly a joke posting [15:53] WHat the fuck? [15:53] Just got a dump of buzz traffic in my mail [15:53] snap-l: me too [15:53] old stuff [15:54] Yeah, really old stuff [15:56] hm, i think wolfger commented in each one of them [15:56] probably his fault [15:56] Yeah, I wonder if there was a wolfgerjam [15:57] could be [15:58] maybe my G+ got reinstated? [15:58] but this was buzz stuff [15:58] I actually quit using Buzz some time ago when suddenly the only person I was following was gamerchick [15:58] :P [15:59] brousch: I lost the ability to comment on Buzz posts due to G+ [15:59] and the profile fiasco [16:01] sweet! I can comment in Buzz again! [16:01] and I'm back to "following 53 people" [16:04] Wolfger: Are things getting sorted out in the Google front? [16:05] Woot. I publicly +1'd something in Reader and didn't get an error! [16:05] rick_h_: Did a console.log on 'this" under Node. Now I understand why you slapped my hand for using it in that script I was writing for Fudge dice. [16:06] Definitely not the same as Python's "this" [16:06] ;) [16:06] snap-l: oh heh [16:06] of course, the Plus site itself is still blocked by Chrysler... [16:06] well all depends on what "this" is [16:06] this is all a matter of scope in JS [16:06] Exactly [16:07] Just a bad habit to get into [16:08] well console.log is all good [16:08] I don't recall what the issue I "slapped" your hand about tbh [16:08] but cool if it makes sense :) [16:09] I used this.variable to house my variables [16:09] you changed it to var that = {}; that.value = 0; [16:09] etc. [16:09] ah ok [16:10] under a function literal. [17:06] http://cloud9ide.posterous.com/vim-mode-for-advanced-editing-in-cloud9-ide [17:07] yea, big win if they can get a decent experience [17:07] Awesome [17:17] rick_h_: you work at launchpad now? [17:17] n0p: yea [17:17] wow, cool, congrats! [17:17] ty [17:17] down in AL to meet my boss and try to get bootstrapped on some of this crazy stuff [17:18] ah, cool when did you start? [17:18] couple of weeks ago [17:18] nice [17:18] i wanted to ask you about phantomjs, you still playing with it? [17:18] yea, fun stuff, lots to get my head around [17:18] n0p: little bit, I use it for bookie js testing [17:18] we are looking to replace selenium [17:19] meh, since it doesn't launch browsers, it's not a great replacement [17:19] it's good for an automated test "does it obviously fail" [17:19] but not great for real browser testing [17:19] I use it for testing my bookis.api.js against a server to make sure my api code works [17:19] but I wouldn't use it for interface testing [17:20] ah, ic [17:20] the new selenium webdriver stuff not making you guys happy? [17:20] but it does do UI testing? [17:20] yeah, its not supported in phpunit [17:20] so really, all it does is run JS [17:20] so if your JS tests the UI then you can do it [17:20] but it's really just a dump headless browser [17:21] so to get it to test my JS, I load a .html page that has qunit JS tests on it [17:21] and then parse the output of the html for success/fail [17:22] so you can load up your page using phantomjs and get the page content and then walk through the html if you want I guess [17:22] hmm [17:22] http://css.dzone.com/articles/phantom-js-alternative [17:23] * n0p reading [17:23] so that article is doing like what you want I think [17:23] but even they kind of ack that it's a bit fundamentally different [17:25] I think phantomjs makes a great "runner" for a test framework [17:26] you could build a test framework around phantomjs, but it's not one itself [17:26] I think that better says what I've been trying to explain [17:27] yeah, still trying to read it, a few conversations floating around here [17:27] np [17:27] http://perlbuzz.com/2011/11/finding-a-lost-dogs-owner-with-perl-and-wwwmechanize.html [17:28] heh, good ol mechanize [17:29] off to find local food, let me know if you've got any other ? n0p [17:29] thanks, and congrats again [18:09] Here is a staffer who should get a stern reprimand, if not lose his job... If he just lets this slide, probably nobody notices. Now it's national news and this girl is gaining all sorts of popularity. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/us/kansas-high-schooler-tweet/index.html [18:20] has anyone heard of this before? it looks like tons of open source programs (i.e. vim) on android http://nookdevs.com/Optware_for_Android [18:23] brousch: whoa, you can run irssi on your nook! :) [18:25] yeah, that is targetted at nook color, but i think you can do it on mosy anything [18:30] awesome [18:33] "What are you playing, Angry Birds?" "No. Nethack." [18:34] <_stink_> o/o/ [18:34] Apache seems like overkill... [18:35] samba? [18:35] "What are you reading?" "Server logs. People from 13 different countries have visited my Nook." [18:36] perl 5.10.0-6 [18:36] \o/ [18:36] alot of useless stuff like that [18:36] :-D [18:37] php [18:37] your own wordpress? [18:37] or launchpad instance! :P [18:37] postgresql 8.2.13-2 [18:38] rick_h_: har har! doesn't LP take 3 servers to setup correctly to just test it? :P [18:38] there you go, rick_h_. A business case for Canonical to buy you a Nook tablet :-) [18:38] greg-g: only 3? :P [18:38] I figured they were making improvements on community involvement, I guess not ;) [18:39] python 2.5 2.6 and 2.7 [18:39] seriously though rick_h_, do you have something like a Canonical-paid aws account for testing LP? [18:39] greg-g: no, we run out test suite on AWS and I'm supposed to be able to expense the ec2 time on there [18:40] zsh 4.3.10-1 [18:40] but nothing from them to rnu on. I run on my laptop tbh [18:40] rick_h_: ah, ok [18:40] by "I'm supposed to be able to expense the ec2 time" you mean you have to have a good reason why you used 20 minutes to do X? [18:40] zsh+git+python rick_h_ could live on this [18:41] greg-g: well I guess I need to expense it via paper that says "I spent 40hrs of ec2 running LP tests so please write me a check" [18:41] I've not been there a month yet to find out [18:41] ah, gotcha [18:41] but there's a built in test runner (tests take 3-4hrs to run) [18:41] * greg-g nods [18:41] that starts up an ec2 instance and rnus all tests, reports to the rest of the infrastructure [18:43] rick_h_, you need a credit card that gives you mileage or points [18:43] to use as your work expenses :) [18:43] jjesse: got it [18:43] so check = miles :) [18:43] and yes, will be using that for stuff. Still working on getting it used [18:44] what happened to your laptop bag? i think you posted TSA complained about it? [18:44] jjesse: oh just that everyone's cranking through and my bag gets scanned back/forth 20 times [18:44] and they bring over a guy who says "he just wants me to check out all this electronic gear [18:45] so he tears it apart, unpacks it all into 4 more bins, and then I have to wait in line while they rescan it all [18:45] no one else called out anywhere, so of course I've got enough silicon in my laptop bag to set off alarms above anyone else on a holiday rush travel day [18:46] rick_h_: hahaha, the rick_h_ I know and love [18:46] hey, not my fault I'm bringing a second usb monitor, a pico projector, along with the crap to run this stuff [18:46] <_stink_> "what is this?" "it's zsh" "stay here sir while i call my supervisor." [18:46] _stink_: yea, if they ever want me to power on my stuff I'm going to be missing that flight [18:47] github? what's that, some association for perverted jerks? [18:47] wow [18:47] rick_h_: I'm pretty sure your awesome setup is a threat to national security. [18:47] just build a 2nd partition of windows that you would boot to :) [18:48] jjesse: hey, this ssd disk space is previous, I'm not bothering to install windows :P [18:48] yeah i know [18:48] i'm now on a SSD as well [18:48] set up a boot option that just loads a windows desktop png [18:49] brousch: hah, there ya go, genius [18:49] "please open word sir" [18:50] oh 23@#$#@$#@ [18:50] "how's LibreOffice?" "libre-what? that's a french word! KILL HIM!" [18:50] ok, I think I went too fast with that joke to the killing [18:51] * greg-g looks around [18:51] yep [18:51] <_stink_> sorry on the phone with the Feds turning you in. [18:51] yeah, they would just probe him [18:51] _stink_: well played [18:51] <_stink_> i guess they're busy, might be a few days. [18:51] <_stink_> <3 [18:52] they are busy building the new tunnel under the white house front lawn :) [18:54] ? [18:54] you didn't see the article about all the work being done in the front lawn of the white house? [18:55] http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/in-the-nations-capital-underground-is-where-its-at/2011/11/22/gIQABFo42N_story.html?tid=sm_btn_googlePlus [18:55] me? news? [18:55] wait, no pics? [18:56] it's a secret compound. who would have pix? [18:56] yeah i was disappointed as well [18:56] at least of the above ground commotion [20:17] * snap-l loves this photo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Kenny_G_Miles_Davis.jpg [20:17] Miles' expression on his face says it all. [20:20] haha [21:07] sigh, i have failed to install optware for android [23:41] cool article about python: http://mirnazim.org/writings/python-ecosystem-introduction/ [23:42] it hits pyflakes/pip/virtualenv/etc. i imagine it almost gets the rick_h_ stamp of approval, but then it includes django. [23:43] oh, fabric, too. [23:55] lol [23:55] well I do like to keep my stamp ready