[00:00] <jrwren> where are you?
[00:00] <rick_h_> alabama
[00:00] <rick_h_> at some Auburn U hotel that's fancy as all get out
[00:00] <jrwren> hatiesburg.
[00:00] <jrwren> oh, Auburn.
[00:00] <rick_h_> yea
[00:00] <rick_h_> kind of crazy, never flown into one state to arrive at another (ATL->Auburn)
[00:02] <jrwren> ha! that is different.
[00:02] <jrwren> cab from ATL to Auburn?
[00:02] <jrwren> how long of a drive?
[00:02] <rick_h_> rental car, here all week about 1:40
[00:02] <jrwren> what ya doing there?
[00:03] <rick_h_> supposed to have an intro sprint with the new boss
[00:03] <rick_h_> but his mother died this weekend, so now working on my own for a couple of days and then sprint with him rest of week after that I think
[00:03] <jrwren> damn, sucks about his mom.
[00:03] <rick_h_> yea, definitely
[00:04] <rick_h_> guess she's been sick a while and he's been in/out for months.
[00:04] <rick_h_> but yea,I feel kind of rotten coming down and all
[02:04] <snap-l> Evening
[02:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh man, sorry to hear that re: your boss' mom
[02:38] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, bad stuff
[02:54] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, bad stuff
[02:55] <rick_h_> gah, bad network connection here
[03:03] <jrwren> how was the pizza?
[12:42] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:47] <Wolfger> morning
[12:48] <brousch> yessir
[12:49] <snap-l> Apparently Apress' $15 sale is crushing the site
[12:53] <brousch> i saw 60% off the readable code book
[12:54] <brousch> and designing mobile interfaces
[13:03] <Wolfger> Javascript: The Definitive Guide, or Javascript: The Good Parts? Not sure which sounds better...
[13:03] <Wolfger> Art of Readable Code sounds like a winner.
[13:03] <snap-l> Well, The Good Parts is a great way to learn best practices about Java
[13:03] <snap-l> Script
[13:03] <snap-l> not sure why I hit return too early. :)
[13:04] <snap-l> Definitive Guide is a great reference manual
[13:04] <rick_h_> morning
[13:05] <rick_h_> cranky is coming to down...
[13:05] <brousch> rick_h_'s wallet is probably aching already
[13:05] <rick_h_> nope, staying away
[13:05] <brousch> cranky the crane?
[13:05] <rick_h_> something like that
[13:05] <Wolfger> cranky the shaft?
[13:05] <rick_h_> stupid meeting room isn't ready until 8, asked if they coule move it up to 7am all week, confused the heck out of the poor girl
[13:06] <brousch> mr. crankypants?
[13:07] <rick_h_> yea, well I kind of think understanding engligh is a requirement for hotel front desk work
[13:07] <snap-l> That's you're problem right there.
[13:07] <snap-l> Alabammers speak southern, not Englush. P)
[13:08] <brousch> try saying it again, but with a mouth harp
[13:08] <rick_h_> no, she wasn't from around here
[13:08] <rick_h_> but thanks for the help
[13:08] <rick_h_> I'm going to be quiet before I set of alarm bells
[13:08] <snap-l> The rayen in spayen flaws rawtly awn the playen
[13:14] <snap-l> Got the nook last night
[13:15] <brousch> color?
[13:15] <snap-l> Tablet
[13:15] <brousch> d00d
[13:15] <snap-l> JoDee got it for me for Christmas, but couldn't wait to give it to me.
[13:15] <brousch> root that sexy beast yet?
[13:15] <snap-l> No, I have to be gentle with it. :)
[13:15] <Wolfger> Heh
[13:16] <Wolfger> How do you like it so far? Killed lots of pigs yet? ;-)
[13:16] <brousch> sure, sure, break it in gently for a while, then root the heck out of it
[13:16] <snap-l> Wolfger: Funny enough, I haven't installed Angry Birds on it yet.
[13:17] <snap-l> The reader portion is very good
[13:17] <snap-l> lots better than what was on the color
[13:17] <snap-l> they finally got it right.
[13:17] <brousch> the reader was good on the color
[13:17] <snap-l> It's much improved on the Tablet
[13:17] <brousch> just not good enough to keep me from all of the CM goodness
[13:17] <snap-l> I hope they give you an upgrade
[13:18] <brousch> pretty pointless since i don't use it
[13:18] <brousch> i just use the Nook App from the android market
[13:19] <brousch> adobe reader works well for pdf
[13:28] <snap-l> brb for kernel upgrade
[14:38] <brousch> someone buy this for me for xmas please http://dvice.com/archives/2011/11/asus-quad-core.php
[14:40] <brousch> i don't even have a quad core computer and now tablets have it?
[14:47] <snap-l> brousch: Pretty soon you'll be able to compile C programs in no time on your tablet
[14:48] <snap-l> of course, your battery life will be around 15 seconds, so it better be "Hello World"
[15:05] <Wolfger> ooh, that's a pretty tablet
[15:05] <Wolfger> with optional keyboard
[15:09] <snap-l> http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/editorials/are-jquery-users-fools/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nettuts+%28Nettuts%2B%29
[15:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^ ;)
[15:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, saw that one this weekend
[15:09] <Wolfger> So I see Google updated its names policy to allow for Mononyms, if you use a "." for your last name and include a photo ID. :-p
[15:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm slow. :)
[15:09] <rick_h_> gave it a scan, it's a few points, but I don't think it's greatly written
[15:09] <rick_h_> but at least I don't feel alone out there :P
[15:09] <Wolfger> and so I changed my last name to "." as they tell me to, and the auto-response is that this doesn't adhere to the names policy.
[15:10] <snap-l> YOU ARE NOT ALONE
[15:10] <snap-l> Wolfger: Great. :(
[15:11] <Wolfger> I'm still waiting for them to not require real names as they announced they would well over a month ago :-(
[15:11] <snap-l> WEll, at lease they have some semblance of backtracking
[15:12] <snap-l> I'm sure Cher, Shakira, and Madonna are pleased as munch
[15:12] <snap-l> punch, even.
[15:12] <Wolfger> or, barring that, for them to disable my G+ as I told them to even longer ago...
[15:13] <Wolfger> The funniest thing is that when I go to my profile page, there is a banner that says "Wolfger - is using Google+. Join Google+ to connect with the people who matter most."
[15:13] <Wolfger> Liars.
[15:19] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/122068/what-do-neglected-oreilly-book-topics-tell-us-about-that-topic bwahahahah
[15:19] <snap-l> n/url
[15:20] <snap-l> Are you fucking kidding me?
[15:23] <snap-l> I added a comment.
[15:23] <Wolfger> ++
[15:24] <Wolfger> Of course, I also ++'d the conspiracy comment
[15:24] <snap-l> Yeah, me too
[15:24] <Wolfger> p.se... Your daily dose of humor that wasn't intended to be humor.
[15:25] <rick_h_> so anyone know how I can get the full command being run I see in ps?
[15:25] <rick_h_> it's too long and gets truncated
[15:27] <brousch> ps -aux | cat
[15:27] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/122074/whats-the-best-chair-for-sitting-at-the-computer-and-developing
[15:27] <rick_h_> brousch: doh, pipe ftw
[15:27]  * snap-l gets ready  to burn karma. ;)
[15:27] <rick_h_> stand up!
[15:28] <rick_h_> <3 my stand up desk
[15:28] <rick_h_> and you're not getting it for $200
[15:28] <rick_h_> try 4x that
[15:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: No kidding. :)
[15:29] <brousch> $800 for a desk?
[15:29] <snap-l> brousch: $800 for a desk that goes up and down
[15:29] <Wolfger> rick_h_: what a racket.... no-chair costs more than chair?
[15:34] <snap-l> hah, got closed.
[15:34] <Wolfger> decisions, decisions... my membership in Bug Squad is about to expire.
[15:34] <rick_h_> no, $800 for a chair
[15:34] <rick_h_> the desk is half that, which is why i went desk vs chair
[15:35] <rick_h_> well, a little over half that I guess once I put a top on it and shipped it
[15:35] <Wolfger> $800 is way too much for a chair
[15:35] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/742/good-furniture-for-programmers
[15:36] <rick_h_> yea, well I spent $400 ona chair and still not happy with it
[15:36] <Wolfger> I got chairs in the $100-200 range at staples, with optional 3-year warranty.
[15:37] <Wolfger> Casters broke, called in the warranty, they didn't even bother trying to fix, just sent me a staples gift card for the replacement cost on the chair.
[15:37] <rick_h_> yea, they suck, sorry. I've gone through a half dozen chairs over the last 10 years
[15:37] <rick_h_> this last one finally lastd a few years, but still not comfy enough for full work day
[15:37] <rick_h_> lol
[15:37] <Wolfger> which I used to buy new casters that I installed myself, and I don't remember what else. But it was nice :-)
[15:38] <rick_h_> it's less about what will hold your butt, and more about a chair that's ergo correct so you can keep typing into your 60s
[15:38] <rick_h_> while walking in an upright position
[15:38] <brousch> we bought refurbs for $150/ea
[15:38] <Wolfger> meh. Walking upright is over-rated :-)
[15:38] <brousch> they've been nice for 5 years
[15:39] <Wolfger> I was actually quite happy with my cheap Staples chair, until the arm cushion got ripped.
[15:39] <Wolfger> It was a far better chair than what I'm forced to deal with at work every damned day
[15:40] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://www.amazon.com/Office-Star-Ergonomically-Designed-Mahogany/dp/B002L15NS0/ref=sr_1_23?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1322494815&sr=1-23 are pretty cool
[15:40] <rick_h_> should try that for a bit
[15:42] <Wolfger> the problem with those chairs is the same problem I have with standing desks...
[15:42] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ONBT4O/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&redirect=true is what I got back in 2007
[15:42] <Wolfger> No place to recline :-)
[15:43] <rick_h_> it's been nice for that long, but needs replacing bad now
[15:43] <brousch> yeah, i love my recline
[15:43] <rick_h_> recline isn't for coding
[15:43] <rick_h_> go to your living room then :P
[15:44] <Wolfger> recline is for when you're *not* busy, granted, but it's nice to be able to do when you have time to relax.
[15:44] <Wolfger> I also like to recline while talking to somebody who's bugging me at my desk
[15:46] <brousch> yeah, i don't code for 9 hours then go home
[15:50] <rick_h_> ouch, snap-l is shut down in a hurry
[15:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I suck. :)
[15:52] <snap-l> It was mostly a joke posting
[15:53] <snap-l> WHat the fuck?
[15:53] <snap-l> Just got a dump of buzz traffic in my mail
[15:53] <brousch> snap-l: me too
[15:53] <brousch> old stuff
[15:54] <snap-l> Yeah, really old stuff
[15:56] <brousch> hm, i think wolfger commented in each one of them
[15:56] <brousch> probably his fault
[15:56] <snap-l> Yeah, I wonder if there was a wolfgerjam
[15:57] <Wolfger> could be
[15:58] <Wolfger> maybe my G+ got reinstated?
[15:58] <brousch> but this was buzz stuff
[15:58] <Wolfger> I actually quit using Buzz some time ago when suddenly the only person I was following was gamerchick
[15:58] <brousch> :P
[15:59] <Wolfger> brousch: I lost the ability to comment on Buzz posts due to G+
[15:59] <Wolfger> and the profile fiasco
[16:01] <Wolfger> sweet! I can comment in Buzz again!
[16:01] <Wolfger> and I'm back to "following 53 people"
[16:04] <snap-l> Wolfger: Are things getting sorted out in the Google front?
[16:05] <Wolfger> Woot. I publicly +1'd something in Reader and didn't get an error!
[16:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: Did a console.log on 'this" under Node. Now I understand why you slapped my hand for using it in that script I was writing for Fudge dice.
[16:06] <snap-l> Definitely not the same as Python's "this"
[16:06] <snap-l> ;)
[16:06] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh heh
[16:06] <Wolfger> of course, the Plus site itself is still blocked by Chrysler...
[16:06] <rick_h_> well all depends on what "this" is
[16:06] <rick_h_> this is all a matter of scope in JS
[16:06] <snap-l> Exactly
[16:07] <snap-l> Just a bad habit to get into
[16:08] <rick_h_> well console.log is all good
[16:08] <rick_h_> I don't recall what the issue I "slapped" your hand about tbh
[16:08] <rick_h_> but cool if it makes sense :)
[16:09] <snap-l> I used this.variable to house my variables
[16:09] <snap-l> you changed it to var that = {}; that.value = 0;
[16:09] <snap-l> etc.
[16:09] <rick_h_> ah ok
[16:10] <snap-l> under a function literal.
[17:06] <Blazeix> http://cloud9ide.posterous.com/vim-mode-for-advanced-editing-in-cloud9-ide
[17:07] <rick_h_> yea, big win if they can get a decent experience
[17:07] <snap-l> Awesome
[17:17] <n0p> rick_h_: you work at launchpad now?
[17:17] <rick_h_> n0p: yea
[17:17] <n0p> wow, cool, congrats!
[17:17] <rick_h_> ty
[17:17] <rick_h_> down in AL to meet my boss and try to get bootstrapped on some of this crazy stuff
[17:18] <n0p> ah, cool when did you start?
[17:18] <rick_h_> couple of weeks ago
[17:18] <n0p> nice
[17:18] <n0p> i wanted to ask you about phantomjs, you still playing with it?
[17:18] <rick_h_> yea, fun stuff, lots to get my head around
[17:18] <rick_h_> n0p: little bit, I use it for bookie js testing
[17:18] <n0p> we are looking to replace selenium
[17:19] <rick_h_> meh, since it doesn't launch browsers, it's not a great replacement
[17:19] <rick_h_> it's good for an automated test "does it obviously fail"
[17:19] <rick_h_> but not great for real browser testing
[17:19] <rick_h_> I use it for testing my bookis.api.js against a server to make sure my api code works
[17:19] <rick_h_> but I wouldn't use it for interface testing
[17:20] <n0p> ah, ic
[17:20] <rick_h_> the new selenium webdriver stuff not making you guys happy?
[17:20] <n0p> but it does do UI testing?
[17:20] <n0p> yeah, its not supported in phpunit
[17:20] <rick_h_> so really, all it does is run JS
[17:20] <rick_h_> so if your JS tests the UI then you can do it
[17:20] <rick_h_> but it's really just a dump headless browser
[17:21] <rick_h_> so to get it to test my JS, I load a .html page that has qunit JS tests on it
[17:21] <rick_h_> and then parse the output of the html for success/fail
[17:22] <rick_h_> so you can load up your page using phantomjs and get the page content and then walk through the html if you want I guess
[17:22] <n0p> hmm
[17:22] <rick_h_> http://css.dzone.com/articles/phantom-js-alternative
[17:23]  * n0p reading
[17:23] <rick_h_> so that article is doing like what you want I think
[17:23] <rick_h_> but even they kind of ack that it's a bit fundamentally different
[17:25] <rick_h_> I think phantomjs makes a great "runner" for a test framework
[17:26] <rick_h_> you could build a test framework around phantomjs, but it's not one itself
[17:26] <rick_h_> I think that better says what I've been trying to explain
[17:27] <n0p> yeah, still trying to read it, a few conversations floating around here
[17:27] <rick_h_> np
[17:27] <Wolfger> http://perlbuzz.com/2011/11/finding-a-lost-dogs-owner-with-perl-and-wwwmechanize.html
[17:28] <n0p> heh, good ol mechanize
[17:29] <rick_h_> off to find local food, let me know if you've got any other ? n0p
[17:29] <n0p> thanks, and congrats again
[18:09] <Wolfger> Here is a staffer who should get a stern reprimand, if not lose his job... If he just lets this slide, probably nobody notices. Now it's national news and this girl is gaining all sorts of popularity. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/us/kansas-high-schooler-tweet/index.html
[18:20] <brousch> has anyone heard of this before? it looks like tons of open source programs (i.e. vim)  on android http://nookdevs.com/Optware_for_Android
[18:23] <greg-g> brousch: whoa, you can run irssi on your nook! :)
[18:25] <brousch> yeah, that is targetted at nook color, but i think you can do it on mosy anything
[18:30] <greg-g> awesome
[18:33] <Wolfger> "What are you playing, Angry Birds?"  "No. Nethack."
[18:34] <_stink_> o/o/
[18:34] <Wolfger> Apache seems like overkill...
[18:35] <brousch> samba?
[18:35] <Wolfger> "What are you reading?"  "Server logs. People from 13 different countries have visited my Nook."
[18:36] <brousch> perl 5.10.0-6
[18:36] <Wolfger> \o/
[18:36] <brousch> alot of useless stuff like that
[18:36] <brousch> :-D
[18:37] <brousch> php
[18:37] <rick_h_> your own wordpress?
[18:37] <rick_h_> or launchpad instance! :P
[18:37] <brousch> postgresql 8.2.13-2
[18:38] <greg-g> rick_h_: har har! doesn't LP take 3 servers to setup correctly to just test it? :P
[18:38] <Wolfger> there you go, rick_h_. A business case for Canonical to buy you a Nook tablet :-)
[18:38] <rick_h_> greg-g: only 3? :P
[18:38] <greg-g> I figured they were making improvements on community involvement, I guess not ;)
[18:39] <brousch> python 2.5 2.6 and 2.7
[18:39] <greg-g> seriously though rick_h_, do you have something like a Canonical-paid aws account for testing LP?
[18:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: no, we run out test suite on AWS and I'm supposed to be able to expense the ec2 time on there
[18:40] <brousch> zsh 4.3.10-1
[18:40] <rick_h_> but nothing from them to rnu on. I run on my laptop tbh
[18:40] <greg-g> rick_h_: ah, ok
[18:40] <greg-g> by "I'm supposed to be able to expense the ec2 time" you mean you have to have a good reason why you used 20 minutes to do X?
[18:40] <brousch> zsh+git+python rick_h_ could live on this
[18:41] <rick_h_> greg-g: well I guess I need to expense it via paper that says "I spent 40hrs of ec2 running LP tests so please write me a check"
[18:41] <rick_h_> I've not been there a month yet to find out
[18:41] <greg-g> ah, gotcha
[18:41] <rick_h_> but there's a built in test runner (tests take 3-4hrs to run)
[18:41]  * greg-g nods
[18:41] <rick_h_> that starts up an ec2 instance and rnus all tests, reports to the rest of the infrastructure
[18:43] <jjesse> rick_h_,  you need a credit card that gives you mileage or points
[18:43] <jjesse> to use as your work expenses :)
[18:43] <rick_h_> jjesse: got it
[18:43] <jjesse> so check = miles :)
[18:43] <rick_h_> and yes, will be using that for stuff. Still working on getting it used
[18:44] <jjesse> what happened to your laptop bag?  i think you posted TSA complained about it?
[18:44] <rick_h_> jjesse: oh just that everyone's cranking through and my bag gets scanned back/forth 20 times
[18:44] <rick_h_> and they bring over a guy who says "he just wants me to check out all this electronic gear
[18:45] <rick_h_> so he tears it apart, unpacks it all into 4 more bins, and then I have to wait in line while they rescan it all
[18:45] <rick_h_> no one else called out anywhere, so of course I've got enough silicon in my laptop bag to set off alarms above anyone else on a holiday rush travel day
[18:46] <greg-g> rick_h_: hahaha, the rick_h_ I know and love
[18:46] <rick_h_> hey, not my fault I'm bringing a second usb monitor, a pico projector, along with the crap to run this stuff
[18:46] <_stink_> "what is this?" "it's zsh" "stay here sir while i call my supervisor."
[18:46] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea, if they ever want me to power on my stuff I'm going to be missing that flight
[18:47] <brousch> github? what's that, some association for perverted jerks?
[18:47] <jjesse> wow
[18:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm pretty sure your awesome setup is a threat to national security.
[18:47] <jjesse> just build a 2nd partition of windows that you would boot to :)
[18:48] <rick_h_> jjesse: hey, this ssd disk space is previous, I'm not bothering to install windows :P
[18:48] <jjesse> yeah i know
[18:48] <jjesse> i'm now on a SSD as well
[18:48] <brousch> set up a boot option that just loads a windows desktop png
[18:49] <greg-g> brousch: hah, there ya go, genius
[18:49] <rick_h_> "please open word sir"
[18:50] <rick_h_> oh 23@#$#@$#@
[18:50] <greg-g> "how's LibreOffice?" "libre-what? that's a french word! KILL HIM!"
[18:50] <greg-g> ok, I think I went too fast with that joke to the killing
[18:51]  * greg-g looks around
[18:51] <greg-g> yep
[18:51] <_stink_> sorry on the phone with the Feds turning you in.
[18:51] <brousch> yeah, they would just probe him
[18:51] <greg-g> _stink_: well played
[18:51] <_stink_> i guess they're busy, might be a few days.
[18:51] <_stink_> <3
[18:52] <jjesse> they are busy building the new tunnel under the white house front lawn :)
[18:54] <greg-g> ?
[18:54] <jjesse> you didn't see the article about all the work being done in the front lawn of the white house?
[18:55] <jjesse> http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/in-the-nations-capital-underground-is-where-its-at/2011/11/22/gIQABFo42N_story.html?tid=sm_btn_googlePlus
[18:55] <greg-g> me? news?
[18:55] <greg-g> wait, no pics?
[18:56] <brousch> it's a secret compound. who would have pix?
[18:56] <jjesse> yeah i was disappointed as well
[18:56] <greg-g> at least of the above ground commotion
[20:17]  * snap-l loves this photo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Kenny_G_Miles_Davis.jpg
[20:17] <snap-l> Miles' expression on his face says it all.
[20:20] <greg-g> haha
[21:07] <brousch> sigh, i have failed to install optware for android
[23:41] <Blazeix> cool article about python: http://mirnazim.org/writings/python-ecosystem-introduction/
[23:42] <Blazeix> it hits pyflakes/pip/virtualenv/etc. i imagine it almost gets the rick_h_ stamp of approval, but then it includes django.
[23:43] <Blazeix> oh, fabric, too.
[23:55] <rick_h_> lol
[23:55] <rick_h_> well I do like to keep my stamp ready