| * gilbert is trying unity on 11.10, and isn't going completely mad | 02:20 | |
| gilbert | but why oh why oh why can't i modify the panel??? come on... | 02:21 |
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| gilbert | grrrrrr.... | 02:22 |
| toddc | gilbert: it will but at this time there are only minor modifications that can be made | 02:27 |
| toddc | Unity is still a bit new but give it time--what are you wanting to change or add? | 02:28 |
| gilbert | toddc: it's like 4 years old... that's a friggin eternity in software dev cycles | 02:28 |
| gilbert | beta-quality software should not the default | 02:29 |
| gilbert | they should have made at least one more release with gnome 2 | 02:29 |
| gilbert | until unity was really primetime | 02:29 |
| toddc | it's such a major project not a program plus it is designed to work on phones tablets and desktops that gnome would never be able to do | 02:30 |
| gilbert | gnome 3 is specificaly designed for tablet-based interfaces (including tablets and phones) | 02:31 |
| toddc | I have not used gnome 3 since for over a year but it was slower so so I went back to unity that I have been on since 10.10 UNR | 02:33 |
| gilbert | that was back when gnome 3 was in pre-release | 02:34 |
| toddc | I will be testing mint this week but currently am a happy Unity user just took a bit to figure out how to manage it | 02:34 |
| gilbert | i would argue that restricting the user's control/freedom is a major step backwards | 02:35 |
| gilbert | but then again its good that there are alternatives | 02:36 |
| gilbert | so i can gain back that freedom | 02:36 |
| toddc | I do a lot of local installfests with lots of distro's but new users are usually real happy will Unity but users that are experienced in linux seem to still like gnome 2 and and just a few that have started using gnome3 just latley | 02:41 |
| gilbert | yeah, new users are gaining a ton of freedom/newness, and won't immediately notice the flaws/restrictions | 02:43 |
| gilbert | i.e. they don't know what they're missing | 02:44 |
| toddc | may well be that or they just want it to work and not need/want to tweak a lot of things | 02:45 |
| gilbert | hmm, gnome 3 is just borked... | 02:46 |
| gilbert | well, they're new, so they don't know what's tweakable | 02:46 |
| toddc | yep--new linux users (students) or others that want to continue with a older broken pc. IT related trades (experienced) users are the one that are the ones I hear that hate it the most | 02:50 |
| gilbert | wtfbbq, gnome 3's panel is unmodifiable too. that's just fing rediculous. it's not the default environment, so you don't need to protect people from themselves there... | 02:50 |
| gilbert | alright, enough is enough, back to debian i go... | 02:50 |
| gilbert | f freedom-restricting crapware | 02:51 |
| toddc | Unity looking a bit better?-----or hope that someone starts back up gnome2 support again! | 02:52 |
| gilbert | i'm pretty sure that's an ubuntu-added restriction. i think vanilla gnome 3 is moddable | 02:52 |
| toddc | I talked to someone testing mint 12 beta last week and I think he had the same problem | 02:54 |
| paultag | o/ gilbert | 02:58 |
| paultag | gilbert: did I see you start NM? | 02:58 |
| paultag | couple of weeks / months ago | 02:59 |
| * canthus13 yawns. | 03:02 | |
| canthus13 | meh. fsck Unity. | 03:02 |
| * canthus13 loves his Openbox. :D | 03:03 | |
| gilbert | paultag: yep, beginning of this month :) | 03:08 |
| gilbert | been waiting to be assigned an advocate for 3 weeks now though | 03:08 |
| paultag | gilbert: ^5! | 03:08 |
| gilbert | err assistant | 03:08 |
| paultag | gilbert: Jeezum. I already have my AM picked | 03:08 |
| paultag | gilbert: hopefully we can finagle it | 03:08 |
| gilbert | paultag: yep :) | 03:09 |
| paultag | gilbert: that's killer. you deserve DD! :) | 03:09 |
| gilbert | paultag: how goes it in boston? | 03:11 |
| paultag | gilbert: killer. I like being back in my hometown. It feels nice to be around people who think dress and act like me :) | 03:11 |
| paultag | gilbert: but at the same time, I miss everyone dearly | 03:11 |
| paultag | gilbert: I've been hanging out with a ton of debian folks, so I'm doing a lot of debian lately | 03:12 |
| gilbert | paultag: as do we miss you | 03:12 |
| paultag | <3 | 03:12 |
| gilbert | cool. see that's why i think it would be cool to live in a tech-centric area, rather than farmtown usa | 03:13 |
| paultag | gilbert: it's not bad. Mako, Daf, Spang, Asheesh, lfaraone, as well as a handful of others all hang out now and again | 03:14 |
| paultag | we have caturday hacks | 03:14 |
| gilbert | nice | 03:14 |
| paultag | it's cool to be around so many @debian'ers | 03:14 |
| paultag | I'm used to being around @ubuntu'ers, totally different vibe | 03:14 |
| gilbert | problem with debian is the tediousness of its processes | 03:17 |
| gilbert | then again it weeds out the less skilled, so debian people tend to be highly skilled | 03:18 |
| paultag | that's true, but at the same time, the process doesn't require daily poking | 03:18 |
| paultag | it's sort of the thing that you fire & forget | 03:19 |
| gilbert | my lappy is dying :( | 03:19 |
| gilbert | true | 03:20 |
| paultag | yeah, I need some sleep | 03:20 |
| paultag | big big day in the morning | 03:20 |
| paultag | gilbert: night, man | 03:22 |
| paultag | one love, guise | 03:22 |
| Unit193 | Cheri703: Chances are limited, but maybe :/ | 07:57 |
| Cheri703 | ok, I'll be there either way | 07:57 |
| Unit193 | Well, I hope I'd be better company than nothing :P (Chacnes are limited for friend) | 08:08 |
| Cheri703 | ok, sounds good :) | 08:12 |
| Cheri703 | I'm hungry | 08:13 |
| Unit193 | I shouldn't be | 08:14 |
| Cheri703 | ? | 08:15 |
| Unit193 | I want food :P | 08:15 |
| Cheri703 | one thing I miss about columbus: 24 hour food nearby | 08:17 |
| Unit193 | Some are open late, but I guess not 24H. I just raid the fridge (And hope for something good) | 08:19 |
| jrgifford | Cheri703: glad to hear you're getting the reloco back up and running! | 13:39 |
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