[02:20]  * gilbert is trying unity on 11.10, and isn't going completely mad
[02:21] <gilbert> but why oh why oh why can't i modify the panel??? come on...
[02:22] <gilbert> grrrrrr....
[02:27] <toddc> gilbert: it will but at this time there are only minor modifications that can be made
[02:28] <toddc> Unity is still a bit new but give it time--what are you wanting to change or add?
[02:28] <gilbert> toddc: it's like 4 years old... that's a friggin eternity in software dev cycles
[02:29] <gilbert> beta-quality software should not the default
[02:29] <gilbert> they should have made at least one more release with gnome 2
[02:29] <gilbert> until unity was really primetime
[02:30] <toddc> it's such a major project not a program plus it is designed to work on phones tablets and desktops that gnome would never be able to do
[02:31] <gilbert> gnome 3 is specificaly designed for tablet-based interfaces (including tablets and phones)
[02:33] <toddc> I have not used gnome 3 since for over a year but it was slower so so I went back to unity that I have been on since 10.10 UNR
[02:34] <gilbert> that was back when gnome 3 was in pre-release
[02:34] <toddc> I will be testing mint this week but currently am a happy Unity user just took a bit to figure out how to manage it
[02:35] <gilbert> i would argue that restricting the user's control/freedom is a major step backwards
[02:36] <gilbert> but then again its good that there are alternatives
[02:36] <gilbert> so i can gain back that freedom
[02:41] <toddc> I do a lot of local installfests with lots of distro's but new users are usually real happy will Unity but users that are experienced in linux seem to still like gnome 2 and and just a few that have started using gnome3 just latley
[02:43] <gilbert> yeah, new users are gaining a ton of freedom/newness, and won't immediately notice the flaws/restrictions
[02:44] <gilbert> i.e. they don't know what they're missing
[02:45] <toddc> may well be that or they just want it to work and not need/want to tweak a lot of things
[02:46] <gilbert> hmm, gnome 3 is just borked...
[02:46] <gilbert> well, they're new, so they don't know what's tweakable
[02:50] <toddc> yep--new linux users (students) or others that want to continue with a older broken pc. IT related trades (experienced) users are the one that are the ones I hear that hate it the most
[02:50] <gilbert> wtfbbq, gnome 3's panel is unmodifiable too.  that's just fing rediculous.  it's not the default environment, so you don't need to protect people from themselves there...
[02:50] <gilbert> alright, enough is enough, back to debian i go...
[02:51] <gilbert> f freedom-restricting crapware
[02:52] <toddc> Unity looking a bit better?-----or hope that someone starts back up gnome2 support again!
[02:52] <gilbert> i'm pretty sure that's an ubuntu-added restriction.  i think vanilla gnome 3 is moddable
[02:54] <toddc> I talked to someone testing mint 12 beta last week and I think he had the same problem
[02:58] <paultag> o/ gilbert
[02:58] <paultag> gilbert: did I see you start NM?
[02:59] <paultag> couple of weeks / months ago
[03:02]  * canthus13 yawns.
[03:02] <canthus13> meh. fsck Unity.
[03:03]  * canthus13 loves his Openbox. :D
[03:08] <gilbert> paultag: yep, beginning of this month :)
[03:08] <gilbert> been waiting to be assigned an advocate for 3 weeks now though
[03:08] <paultag> gilbert: ^5!
[03:08] <gilbert> err assistant
[03:08] <paultag> gilbert: Jeezum. I already have my AM picked
[03:08] <paultag> gilbert: hopefully we can finagle it
[03:09] <gilbert> paultag: yep :)
[03:09] <paultag> gilbert: that's killer. you deserve DD! :)
[03:11] <gilbert> paultag: how goes it in boston?
[03:11] <paultag> gilbert: killer. I like being back in my hometown. It feels nice to be around people who think dress and act like me :)
[03:11] <paultag> gilbert: but at the same time, I miss everyone dearly
[03:12] <paultag> gilbert: I've been hanging out with a ton of debian folks, so I'm doing a lot of debian lately
[03:12] <gilbert> paultag: as do we miss you
[03:12] <paultag> <3
[03:13] <gilbert> cool.  see that's why i think it would be cool to live in a tech-centric area, rather than farmtown usa
[03:14] <paultag> gilbert: it's not bad. Mako, Daf, Spang, Asheesh, lfaraone, as well as a handful of others all hang out now and again
[03:14] <paultag> we have caturday hacks
[03:14] <gilbert> nice
[03:14] <paultag> it's cool to be around so many @debian'ers
[03:14] <paultag> I'm used to being around @ubuntu'ers, totally different vibe
[03:17] <gilbert> problem with debian is the tediousness of its processes
[03:18] <gilbert> then again it weeds out the less skilled, so debian people tend to be highly skilled
[03:18] <paultag> that's true, but at the same time, the process doesn't require daily poking
[03:19] <paultag> it's sort of the thing that you fire & forget
[03:19] <gilbert> my lappy is dying :(
[03:20] <gilbert> true
[03:20] <paultag> yeah, I need some sleep
[03:20] <paultag> big big day in the morning
[03:22] <paultag> gilbert: night, man
[03:22] <paultag> one love, guise
[07:57] <Unit193> Cheri703: Chances are limited, but maybe :/
[07:57] <Cheri703> ok, I'll be there either way
[08:08] <Unit193> Well, I hope I'd be better company than nothing :P  (Chacnes are limited for friend)
[08:12] <Cheri703> ok, sounds good :)
[08:13] <Cheri703> I'm hungry
[08:14] <Unit193> I shouldn't be
[08:15] <Cheri703> ?
[08:15] <Unit193> I want food :P
[08:17] <Cheri703> one thing I miss about columbus: 24 hour food nearby
[08:19] <Unit193> Some are open late, but I guess not 24H. I just raid the fridge (And hope for something good)
[13:39] <jrgifford> Cheri703: glad to hear you're getting the reloco back up and running!