[06:21] morning superfly and others [06:22] nuvolari, is jy ok? [06:25] Maaz, coffee on [06:25] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [06:29] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [06:30] Maaz, ty [06:30] Enjoy Kilos [06:30] hiya maiatoday [06:37] Hi kilos [06:38] hi Langjan [06:38] Hoe gaan dit vanoggend? [06:38] goed dankie en self [06:38] Ook so dankie [06:38] you didnt read your mail yet? [06:39] het jy darem gewen met 11.04 [06:40] Ja dankie. What can you tell me about the pros and cons of Thunderbird and Evolution, especially re my mail and adress book transfer problems? [06:40] i havent used thunderbird but others say it is easier to set up [06:40] Unfortunately I have to go, will chat later. [06:41] ok cheers [06:41] go well [06:41] You to thanks. [06:47] morning Kilos [07:07] Kilos! [07:07] yo Vince-0 [07:08] back online I see [07:08] *peon voice: work work [07:08] yeah but not all day [07:09] Vince-0, how old are you [07:10] or how young? [07:10] ha! 26 this December [07:10] ah then only 35 years of work to go [07:10] hehe [07:11] yar tell me about it, the daily grind is getting to me [07:11] the trick is to enjoy your work, then its much easier [07:12] ya! that's the idea but the joy is no more. Thinking about jumping ship and being a fisherman on a remote island somwheres [07:12] ha ha ha [07:12] you will be lost without an internet connection [07:13] probably, can get almost anywhere these days [07:35] o/ mornings [07:36] lo oom Kilos [07:36] ek is okei ja dankie :P was net 'n woeste paar dae [07:36] ah [07:55] bbl [08:34] hello [08:35] good morning kbmonkey and others [08:35] Kerbero: your updates working now? [08:35] nope [08:36] serious!? [08:36] indeed [08:36] I can connect from the office [08:37] i'm forcing my system to use the tenet mirrors [08:37] by using ubuntu.mirror.ac.za as the address [08:37] i think if you use za.archive.ubuntu.com it might work now [08:37] I use za.archive.ubuntu.com and it works [08:37] as they might have change the cname to point to another mirror [08:38] ah [08:38] https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=18911 [08:38] Kerbero: yes I noticed the message from pjdelport [08:39] but as you mentioned one needs a login to see that [08:39] that message was just a request to change the cname [08:39] to another mirror [08:39] so i guess that was done [08:39] ok [08:40] you have a login for that? [08:40] launchpad logi worked [08:40] just use that ubuntu sso [08:43] ahh [08:49] Kerbero: great, that should hopefully nudge them to fix things [08:54] BTW, I have not had any feedback from the NOC at Tenet [09:47] ok sent a mail to rennews [09:47] hopefully a reply there [10:30] Hi JP [10:30] We are investigating the problem. [10:30] Regards [10:30] -- [10:30] Shukri Wiener [10:30] TENET [10:30] On 28 Nov 2011, at 11:57 AM, JP Meijers wrote: [10:30] > The mirror.ac.za server seems to be down since Friday or Saturday. What [10:30] > is the current status of this server? [10:30] > [10:30] > Regards [10:30] > JP Meijers [10:30] > Stellenbosch University [10:30] > Linux User Group [10:30] > [10:30] > _______________________________________________ [10:30] > REN-news mailing list [10:30] > REN-news@lists.tenet.ac.za [10:30] > http://lists.tenet.ac.za/mailman/listinfo/ren-news [10:53] Kerbero: please use pastebin for so many lines of text [10:53] ok [10:54] or at least paste the useful lines :P [10:54] yeah [10:54] i was just happy that we actually got a reply [11:43] Kerbero: Doesn't mean they will fix it [11:48] true [14:46] Kerbero: I got feedback from TENET, "There was a general issue with the mirror server. This has been resolved..." http://pastebin.com/s7zR4vN9 [14:47] awesome [14:50] can somebody check and verify whether za.archive.ubuntu.com is pointing back to TENET [14:52] as far as I can see it's still pointing to the same as archive.ubuntu.com [14:57] see you tonight [14:57] inetpro: just poked #ubuntu-mirrors about that [14:57] tumbleweed: thanks [15:13] inetpro: done [15:14] tumbleweed: ahh, great [15:14] now pointing to 155.232.191.229 [15:14] that was quick [15:25] telcrap is evil [15:25] was adsl-less from 16th to no fault of nature or myself, all a tellcrap techy the fooked up [15:25] only in za land [15:42] tumbleweed: can I download a .iso with all the latest updates? [15:43] inetpro: only for LTSs [15:43] hmm... [15:43] * inetpro wants to download a fresh ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso [15:44] or rather I have one right here at the office and have just zsynced it [15:44] but there are a lot of updates [15:45] * inetpro needs to go slow with bandwidth at home [15:47] hmmm... [15:47] perhaps I should just install it here on a VM and get all the updates like that [15:49] can't you make a startup disk on a flash drive with a persistence file [15:50] and update it while live booting [15:50] or will those updates not be used when you install from it then [15:51] what we normally do is create a mirror of the repo on an external hdd with apt-mirror [15:51] but it is about 30GB iirc [15:53] Kerbero: that's to much for me [15:55] yes that is a lot [15:55] but if one have a 100mbps LAN connection to a repo it's not :P [15:56] what's this package called where you can take the .deb files offline? [15:57] I think kilos was using it [15:58] i don't understand what you mean [15:59] there is a package which you can install and use to sync all .deb files with a system that is not connected to the web [16:00] * inetpro forgot what is was called [16:00] almost sounds like apt-mirror [16:00] or deb-mirror [16:01] inetpro: aptoncd [16:01] ahh... thats the one, thanks superfly [16:32] it's also built-into synaptic [16:32] and there's apt-offline [16:51] tumbleweed: built-into synaptic? That is very interesting [16:51] my updates are almost done [16:52] will check it out [16:57] tumbleweed: does that mean I don't have to install aptoncd at all? [17:03] hmm... does oneiric even have synaptic? [17:08] * superfly doesn't know [17:11] we'll see now [17:11] busy rebooting the vm after updates [17:16] hmm... if it there I don't know how to use it [17:16] * inetpro busy installing quassel-client before installing and running aptoncd [17:17] Ubuntu Software Centre is nice but I still prefer aptitude [17:18] inetpro: yeah, same thing here [17:18] superfly: so far I'm very impressed with the latest version of ubuntu [17:19] really looks very polished [17:20] eish, but I just hate working in a VM [17:21] * inetpro should probably get a hardware and memory upgrade [17:24] inetpro: 4 gigs of RAM work wonders when you're dealing with VMs :-) [17:41] superfly: 4gigs..... you can't run vm's with 4gigs [17:42] drubin: as long as I'm not running more than 4 at a time, it's fine. I use them for testing, so I don't run them all the time [17:43] superfly: I suppose I normally have netbeans and eclipse open and firefox so that means I am already using like 3gigs of ram :) [17:49] drubin: uh, yeah, that would consume a lot of RAM [17:50] superfly: also windows vm (blush) [17:51] you can't give those things less thne 2gigs of ram [17:56] drubin: well, I have an XP vm, though I hardly ever use it, and that doesn't use much RAM [18:39] evening guys [18:39] and a gal [18:41] Maaz, coffee on [18:41] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [18:41] Maaz, hurry [18:41] Hey! Kilos Patience is a virtue, [18:45] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [18:45] Maaz, ty [18:45] Enjoy Kilos [18:46] inetpro, verdict? [19:11] oh my. he really struggling with unity [19:11] zeref_, whats with the tail [19:24] hiya Langjan [19:25] Howzit Kilos? [19:25] good ty and there? [19:27] Fine thanks, all praise to the Lord! Which worldly problems are you solving tonight? [19:27] lol boredom [19:28] have you got everything working [19:28] Wow! How do you manage to get there? Wish I had time for boredom...lol [19:28] ha ha [19:30] I have reverted to Thunderbird but still have to get to my old e-mails to find the guy who had ideas about transferring e-mails... [19:31] have you found them then [19:33] hey Langjan [19:34] Battling to find the right registry files... [19:34] Do you know if there are guidelines to speed up Libre Office writer? [19:36] Found as site with some hints, will try it now [19:37] Langjan: did I tell you about OpenLP? [19:37] google how to speed up libreoffice writer [19:37] grrr [19:37] Maaz, google how to speed up libreoffice writer [19:37] Kilos: "LibreOffice - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LibreOffice :: "10 essential LibreOffice Writer tricks | TechRepublic" http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-essential-libreoffice-writer-tricks/2852 :: "Five power tips for LibreOffice users | TechRepublic" http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-power-tips-for-libreoffice-users/593 :: "Speeding up LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org" http://www.pclinuxos.com/fo [19:39] hmm... [19:40] Kilos: to many other interruptions in life [19:40] eish [19:41] * inetpro is about to try it out again... hang on [19:41] voorspoed [19:42] Wow! Speedy Gonzales, thanks! [19:43] Just one little thing, enable quickstarter... [19:43] lol whats that [19:45] Libre Office, tools, options, memory, enable systray quickstarter [19:47] hopefully someone else here uses libreoffice and knows [19:47] or we can ask maaz [19:47] Maaz, google how to enable libre office quickstarter [19:47] Kilos: "11.04 - How do I enable the libreoffice quickstarter in unity? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/34796/how-do-i-enable-the-libreoffice-quickstarter-in-unity :: "Common/Memory - LibreOffice Help" http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Memory :: "Installation of LibreOffice 3.3 on Linux » LibreOffice" http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ :: "libreoffice -quickstart by default in LibreOffice ..." http://en.libre [19:48] top one Langjan [19:48] Kilos I keep on getting into another chat when I connect xchat on my new system, perhaps 'cause I took the wrong turn in the beginning, how do I fix that? [19:48] when you open it do you first get a small window that tells you connect\ [19:49] in that small window you set up what channel you want to go to [19:49] Yes then it takes me to a room full of strangers... scary lol [19:49] no man [19:50] let me try again [19:50] open again now but dont say connect [19:50] oh my [19:50] inetpro: aptitude is unusable with multi-arch [19:50] inetpro: hopefully that'll be sorted out soon... [19:50] but for now, apt-get... [19:55] wait now Langjan [19:55] stop right here [19:58] you have to set it up in that small window first before you say connect [19:59] scroll through networks till you get to freenode [19:59] tick freenode [19:59] then tick edit on the right [20:00] It connects automatically, before I have a say! [20:00] in favourite channels type in #ubuntu-za [20:00] Looking good so far [20:00] eish you ticked the connect automatically block hey [20:02] lol [20:02] Installer not crashed.. Ek busy restarting after install.... And oops [20:02] Forgot to do nomodeset [20:02] ha ha [20:03] Kilos, it connects me before I can select anything, but to the wrong channel... [20:03] how come it doesnt install without that nomodeset [20:03] yes jan [20:03] you need to get in that small window [20:04] wait lets see how we find it [20:04] while you are on this channel now what happens if you try open xchat again [20:04] eish [20:06] Doing the aptoncd thing before connecting online [20:10] Hmm. Why can't do that? [20:11] because its not same release [20:12] Running apt-get update and then gonna install aptoncd [20:12] oh not installed yet [20:12] hehe [20:12] Kilos: is the same release [20:13] Yikes [20:13] ah i thought you brought it from maverick [20:13] sorry [20:13] what Yikes [20:13] To many sources enabled by default [20:14] repos? [20:14] Kilos no [20:14] ah [20:15] I installed a vm with Oneiric at the office this afternoon / evening [20:16] ah [20:20] Langjan, whats happening [20:20] eish [20:22] im sure he has ticked the skip network list on startup [20:22] dunno how to get back to the connect window now [20:22] unless maybe purging xchat will help [20:25] Kilos, tell you what, it's a mess trying to connect to this thing now! [20:26] Eish! [20:26] Langjan, stop now [20:26] lets try [20:26] ok, what do I have to do? [20:26] you mustnt tick the skip network list on startup [20:26] They changed the easy to use aptoncd [20:26] thats why it is going right online [20:27] I don't even know where that is... [20:27] when you tick xchat to open it [20:27] How to add the cd repo? [20:27] you get a small window that lets you choose your channels [20:28] No, when I click to open, it opens up by itself into an unknown environment [20:28] thats where you must choose freenode and type in #ubuntu-za in favourite channels [20:29] theres no such option [20:29] ok so i hope getting rid of xchat and installing it agin might help [20:29] I did, same again [20:30] on your maverick xchat as well?? [20:30] What's Maverick - 10.10? No [20:30] Havent been there [20:30] ya 10.10 [20:31] how did we used to chat [20:31] No should be fine there [20:31] you must have seen the small window on startup [20:31] on 10.10 [20:32] anyway lets try purging it [20:32] Yes but it does not work here [20:32] you must write down these commands [20:32] sudo aptitude purge xchat [20:32] that should clean everything out [20:33] ok [20:33] then sudo aptitude install xchat [20:33] ok is that all? [20:34] then when you try open it it should show the small window where you choose what channel you want and where you enter your nickname etc [20:34] wait [20:34] ok will try [20:34] if you get that small window [20:34] first you scroll to freenode [20:34] tick freenode once [20:34] ok [20:34] then tick edit on the right [20:35] type in #ubuntu-za in favourite channels [20:35] delete any others there if there are any [20:35] ok will do [20:36] ok i wait for you [20:36] ok [20:36] Langjan: there's a connections menu option somewhere which brings up that dialog again [20:36] if i'm not back by 23:00, will try again tomorrow [20:37] Thanks Superfly [20:38] eish [20:38] i found it [20:39] i forgot how to do it [20:39] now i found it [20:40] ty for the reminder superfly [20:40] its so so simple [20:40] * Kilos bows my head in shame [20:43] jan [20:43] its easy [20:43] Langjan, [20:44] Hi Kilos, after doing all that, I still get into the wrong channel again then have to redo the settings [20:44] tick xchat in top left corner [20:44] then network list [20:44] you set it up there [20:44] sorry for giving you a run around [20:45] this way we can remove everything you dont want [20:45] Everythings right in there but it still takes me to the wrong channel [20:46] does it not leave the little window open [20:46] dont tick connect [20:47] and untick skip network list [20:47] thats what makes it go straight online [20:47] It was not selected [20:48] does that little window not stay open [20:48] eish [20:49] Problem persists [20:50] if you tick xchat and network list does it not stay open [20:51] Is the server irc.freenode.net/8001 correct? [20:51] yes [20:51] Yes it stays open [20:51] right slow down [20:52] you see freenode [20:52] yes [20:52] scroll networks [20:52] then tick edit [20:52] tick freenode once then tick edit [20:53] what you see [20:53] again? [20:53] are you in the edit mode of freenode now [20:54] Favourite channels #ubuntu-za [20:54] is that all thats there [20:54] Auto connect [20:54] no [20:54] lets make sure its right first [20:54] what else should be there? [20:56] only that block that says global info must be ticked [20:56] are you registered with irc [20:57] OK I had global user clicked, have unticked that and it then asked my nickname, inserted, should be ok now. [20:57] What is irc? [20:57] internet relay channel [20:58] yes it should work [20:58] irc is whewre you register the nick langjan [20:58] ok ek gaan nou slaap moet more 5 uur opstaan, sal weer gesels, dankie virrie moeite. [20:58] otherwise ones nickname gets stolen at times [20:59] jys welkom [20:59] it should work now [20:59] see ya tomorrow [20:59] lekker slaap [20:59] Mooi loop en slaap met jou oogies toe! [20:59] Dankie [20:59] tell it connect before you close down [21:00] anytime [21:01] oh my [21:02] wen jy inetpro [21:02] I [21:02] Wag [21:03] Updates vat lank [21:04] ai [21:04] dis laat jy moet gaan slaap [21:06] Amper daar [21:06] sjoe [21:06] Besig om nou quassel te instal [21:08] ek wou did hier install maar dis baie megs [21:08] al die kubuntu goed [21:09] 58 meg [21:10] grrr [21:11] Kilos: hier's ek nou [21:11] yay [21:11] ok nou kan ons gaan slaap ne [21:11] maar is gou besig om die NVidia drivers te installeer [21:11] eish [21:11] jy nie bang nie [21:12] tumbleweed: at least I got this green icon + lock at the top for foreign drivers [21:13] big thing is that I need to start up with nomodeset until I've installed the drivers [21:13] ah [21:13] Kilos: hoekom moet ek bang wees? [21:13] net nou crash jy weer [21:14] inetpro: that sounds like something you should talk to the ubuntu-x people about. Machines that require kernel options are *bad* for end-users [21:14] doesnt it work wit nouveau [21:14] Kilos: nope [21:14] at least not by default [21:14] how do you see to install then [21:16] without your mods does it boot to black screen ? [21:16] https://plus.google.com/photos/114254397525521567468/albums/5680136389043315249 [21:17] tumbleweed: that's what it looks like when I boot up with a live disk [21:17] without setting nomodeset [21:17] i cant go there man [21:17] you must tell me here [21:17] inetpro: that's entirely non-optimal :P [21:18] please file a bug against the linux package [21:18]