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dholbachgood morning08:07
sladenmorning08:53
thorwilmorning08:54
sladenguten morgen08:54
mainerrorGuten morgen sladen. :D08:57
mainerrordoctormon: Must be something with their servers. It was never slow for me.08:58
CrazyThinkerWas anyone here responsible for unity interface?09:54
AlanBellhi CrazyThinker10:03
CrazyThinkerHello AlanBell10:03
mainerrorAlanBell is the Ubuntu TV design. hehe10:04
AlanBellso the media would have you believe10:05
mainerrorKinda funny what a picture can do.10:06
CrazyThinkerWhat picture?10:06
AlanBellI was mucking about with a sketching tool10:06
AlanBellwith the objective of helping designers use free tools10:07
AlanBelland my random doodlings got picked up by OMG and the Register10:07
AlanBellhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/ubuntu-smart-tv-discussions-begin-to-warm-up10:07
AlanBellhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/28/ubuntu_tv/10:08
mainerrorAw crap! The meeting is tomorrow 17 UTC?10:08
AlanBellhttp://ostatic.com/blog/work-is-underway-on-ubuntu-tv-with-mark-shuttleworth-watching argh10:09
mainerrorThey use the old logo!10:10
AlanBellfun seeing mistakes propogating in the media10:14
AlanBellit is a 10 foot user interface10:14
AlanBellthe register said inches (because in the UK nobody knows what ' and " mean)10:14
AlanBelland the 10 inch user interface is propogating with journalists having *no clue* what they are writing about10:15
mainerrorheh10:23
AlanBellczajkowski: if the H pick it up, please don't have a 10 inch UI!10:35
mainerror:D10:35
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mhall119lol12:57
doctormonCrazyThinker: nope13:25
doctormonwendar: thanks for sorting out the meeting time13:26
doctormonEveryone: Wednesdays, 15:00 UTC (12pm EST), that's tomorrow13:27
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AlanBelldoctormon: 1700 UTC13:54
doctormonThanks AlanBell13:56
doctormonhows tv land?13:56
AlanBellfunny13:57
AlanBellhttp://www.clubic.com/linux-os/debian/ubuntu/actualite-461456-systeme-ubuntu.html14:01
AlanBellhttp://www.pcinpact.com/news/67315-ubuntu-tv-projet-evolution-shuttleworth.htm?vc=114:01
YannDinendalYou read French news?14:03
AlanBellno, but google does14:03
AlanBellI can read the articles, but I found them via google14:03
AlanBelland I did use Google translate but only because I am lazy14:04
AlanBellI am a little embarrassed by all this lot14:04
nuthinkinghey guys, does anyone know who admins brainstorm.ubuntu.com ?14:06
YannDinendalAlanBell: it is not the first time tech news report early concepts/discussions as if it were official/decided...14:07
YannDinendal:/14:07
AlanBellthree storyboards now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs14:09
AlanBellIf I knew the press would pick it up I would have done my first one a lot better14:09
YannDinendal:)14:10
AlanBellI have a plan for adding comment threads to the storyboards14:10
AlanBellusing http://www.intensedebate.com which is a bit like disqus14:11
AlanBellI read a great paper yesterday by Marin Duffy14:16
AlanBellhttp://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/contributing-to-free-open-source-software-as-a-designer/14:17
AlanBellMáirín Duffy even14:20
doctormonAlanBell: MO lives in Boston, here abouts. We've worked on some stuff before.15:18
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mhall119AlanBell: I want to play with some uTV mockups, how do I get started?16:52
* mhall119 already has Pencil16:52
AlanBellcool mhall11917:14
AlanBellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ help yourself17:15
AlanBellthe base design frame gives you a TV and 16:9 image on it17:15
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AlanBellconcept1.ep is my storyboard17:16
AlanBellthe ubuntu.zip is an export template17:19
mhall119AlanBell: sweet, thanks17:20
AlanBellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs17:21
mhall119cool,thanks AlanBell17:23
* imnichol is away: I'm busy17:24
* imnichol is back (gone 00:03:16)17:27
sladenbtw, I just filed:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/897796  if people can suggestion solutions17:52
webbugsLaunchpad bug 897796 in Ayatana Design "Dash search sub-optimal: search for "The #1 Linux distribution" does not return expected result" [Undecided,New]17:52
mhall119AlanBell: any idea how to export widget sets from Pencil?17:59
AlanBellexport??18:13
AlanBelldo you mean import?18:14
AlanBellor stuff done with the stencil generator thing?18:14
AlanBelleither way, I have no idea, but I was looking at the file format for stencil collections18:15
mhall119AlanBell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/ see if you can import the Unity.zip collection18:15
mhall119btw, an extensive collection of Unity widgets for Pencil is something that would be great for all kinds of mockups18:15
AlanBellno18:16
AlanBellyes, I would love to have a widget for a lens, or ubuntu themed window or something18:16
AlanBellError Installing Collection18:16
mhall119:/18:17
AlanBellCollection specification is not found in the archive. The file may be corrupted.18:17
doctormonAlanBell, mhall119: If the format is svg, can you guys pass me the raw?18:17
mhall119what version of pencil are you using?18:17
AlanBelldoctormon: is is SVG with some wrapper metadata18:17
mhall119doctormon: the widget collection is an XML18:18
doctormonGreat, publish the svg too18:18
AlanBellmhall119: 1.3.2 installed today18:18
mhall119the one I'm working on has embedded bitmap data from the unity pngs18:18
mhall119AlanBell: ah, I have 1.2, probably need to upgrade18:18
mhall119aw, 1.3 isn't available as standalone18:19
doctormonmhall119: Embeded images?19:55
mhall119doctormon: it encodes the data and puts that in the XML20:12
doctormonmhall119: I see, a base64 encoding like in svg?20:19
AlanBellyeah20:26
mhall119doctormon: probably because I brought in bitmapped images, rather than SVGs20:26
AlanBellI think it does both20:27
doctormonIt's just the same way svg works, I'm guessing it's all centered around it.20:27
doctormonAlanBell: Does it generate multiple svg files perk work flow item?20:27
AlanBellhttp://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/DevGuides/DevGuideDetail.aspx?DocumentPath=devguide%2fdevguides%2fstencil-collection-structure-and-file-format20:28
AlanBellthe properties and behaviours stuff can do things like turning on and off the window buttons on the window template20:30
mainerrorGreat ... I lost my backlog.20:46
jderosei just did a screencast that demos what i tried to show in the design theater session at UDS but couldn't get working - http://vimeo.com/groups/novacutartistdiaries/videos/3286761320:46
mmiiccjderose: is Dmedia something like Rapid Photo Donloader?21:26
jderosemmiicc: hmm, i'll have to find out what Rapid Photo Downloader is and get back to you :P21:27
jderosebut by the name, it sounds like it has some similar goals21:27
jderosealthough the import workflow is a pretty small part of what Dmedia does... the rest is to eliminate file management as much as possible21:28
jderosemmiicc: hmm, on the import side, sound very similar - http://damonlynch.net/rapid/21:29
jderosevery cool, i'll have to play with it21:29
mmiiccjderose: :) although RPD imports only photos and videos21:33
jderoseDmedia imports all files... party so we never ignore important files just because Dmedia doesn't grok them21:34
jderosemmiicc: so have you used Rapid Photo Downloader?21:35
mmiiccjderose: not so much recently, but I've translated it to Polish21:35
jderosenice21:36
mmiiccjderose: creator of RPD is a friendly guy, so if you have any question, I think, you can discus with him :)21:37
jderosecool21:37
jderosei'm really happy to see something else like this, and that it's on linux21:38
jderosewindows and osx don't seem to have any good solutions for this, so if we have two... that's awesome :-D21:38
mmiicc:)21:39
* mmiicc need to go to put kids to bed 21:39
jderose:)21:39
doctormonjderose: Any relation to the work I did?22:53
jderosedoctormon: no, that bit isn't... actually, been meaning to talk to you... we should really split that out of dmedia as it's not directly tied to it anway (and shouldn't be)... so it would probably get more use as a standalone project :)22:55
doctormonjderose: Yeah, it's gotten no use so far, which is a shame.22:56
jderoseyeah :(22:56
jderosesorry about that22:56
jderosealways is on my list, never seem to quite get to it22:56

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