=== eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [04:12] good morning [04:16] Morning didrocks. [04:16] You're around early this morning. [04:16] hey TheMuso! Yeah, couldn't sleep for the past hour already, so rather than rambling in my bed, let's do something productive :) [04:16] Fair enough. [05:33] is gnome-open formally deprecated at this point in favor of xdg-open or something like that? [05:35] ah, looks like gvfs-open is the way and the light this week [06:01] yep, looks like we should revert anything that was uploaded to use libgnome-2 [06:01] oops, maybe not, depends on what the patch was :) [06:38] Good morning [06:39] yay, I'm not the first one for a change [06:39] didrocks: eek, up at 5:10? [06:39] broder: yes [06:39] broder: xdg-open is the recommended and most generic interface [06:39] pitti: hey, yeah :/ (well, at 4am actually, but I was thinking that I could still find some sleep) [06:40] I had TB meeting last night, so I slept in a bit [06:40] pitti: yeah, TB meeting is ending late for someone starting early like you :) [06:55] holy moly, anyone heard anything more regarding Riddell? [06:56] nothign except sladen's mail [07:02] same here :/ [07:35] Would someone have an idea on why nvidia_current which appears as Enabled under jockey-text would remain as "Not in use" on 11.10 ? [07:35] it's been removed and re-added with jockey-gtk and it remains "Not in Use" [07:36] we have a long-standing and hard to reproduce report for this, bug 771788 [07:36] Launchpad bug 771788 in nvidia-common "nVidia driver activated and apparently being used but reported as not being used by jockey-gtk" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771788 [07:36] well here it's not being used either, the screen resolution is lousy, barely useable [07:37] caribou: what does "lsmod | grep nvidia" say? is the module loaded? [07:38] pitti: not sure it is [07:38] you should get a line like "nvidia 12345 1" [07:38] if not, it's not loaded === huats_ is now known as huats [08:43] morning [08:44] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [08:51] morning [08:51] rodrigo_: good morning again :) [08:51] how are you? [08:51] heh [08:51] pitti, I'm fine, and you? [08:51] rodrigo_: quite well, thanks! [08:51] good morning everyone [08:52] hi chrisccoulson [08:52] hi rodrigo_, how are you? [08:52] hey chrisccoulson [08:53] hi pitti, how are you? [08:53] I'm great, thanks [08:53] alpha-1 release engineering is really a no-brainer now :) [08:53] heh :) [08:55] hey rodrigo_, good morning chrisccoulson [08:55] hi didrocks [08:55] hi didrocks === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [09:39] hey seb128 [09:39] bonjour seb128 [09:41] hmmmm, i wish i could build-depend on packages from ddebs.ubuntu.com :) [09:42] chrisccoulson: OOI, what for? [09:43] pitti - so i could generate breakpad symbols for system libraries as part of the firefox build [09:43] hey chrisccoulson, pitti, how are you? [09:43] I'm fine [09:43] at the moment, i'll probably be running a job on chinstrap to generate them and submit them to mozilla separately [09:44] which is a bit of a pain :) [09:44] pitti, I guess a poppler soname change would be better after a1 rather than before? [09:45] bah, getting armhf build failure emails now [09:45] it's quite polluting versions as well [09:46] pitti, it's meeting reminder day [09:46] ;-) [09:46] oh, right [09:46] seb128: thanks [09:46] yw! [09:46] pitti, btw did you see the poppler question? [09:46] seb128: no, I didn't [09:46] pitti, 3 lines before the meeting reminder reminder [09:47] seb128: ah, there; yes please [09:48] seb128: you can upload the new poppler, it'll just go into binNEW [09:48] but let's do the transition afterwards [09:48] right, that's what I was thinking [09:48] ok, will do that, I might also start on the new glib in the vcs but that one will be kept for after a1 [09:49] pitti, btw if you ever get bored and what to do some updates in debian: libcroco libdmapsharing intltool would be nice to update there so we stay in sync [09:49] the new intltool adds support for gsettings schemas [09:49] so it's possible to translate them properly including default values [09:49] nice [10:02] chrisccoulson, btw I was looking at ubuntu forums a bit on my friday off work, several people are having the tb,pop,spam issues my friend emailed you about before oneiric, did that just got dropped on the floor on the way? or is the issue (or pop users) just don't ranked high enough to reach the part of your todolist you are working on? [10:03] chrisccoulson, said differently, should I nag you about it this cycle or do you think it's too low priority and will not get to it? [10:03] seb128, i just haven't had time to look at it :) [10:03] seb128, you read forums? [10:03] and you don't want to kill yourself afterwards? [10:04] chrisccoulson, not usually, I'm just doing a sociologist studies of ubuntu users and trying to figure what's causing the hype for mint and there is something we could do better ;-) [10:04] heh :) [10:05] chrisccoulson, seems like it's all your fault with that tb,spam issue, people get their indicator blue when it shouldn't be! [10:05] ;-) [10:05] perhaps if we change our theme to green and not show kernel security upgrades by default, then people will love us :) [10:05] chrisccoulson, not to mention that my indicator still has the issue I showed you at UDS, that's on imap though [10:05] lol [10:06] seb128, yeah, i will fix that one soon, once i've done with this breakpad / system libraries stuff :) [10:06] great! ;-) [10:08] seb128, you can report a bug about the spam issue if you like, and link it to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-thunderbird-enhancements [10:12] chrisccoulson, bug #871568 could be that issue [10:12] Launchpad bug 871568 in thunderbird "Removing spam does not clear flag" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871568 [10:13] hmmm, i really should make the thunderbird apport hook submit non-private account info :) [10:13] oh [10:13] that wouldn't have helped in this case, anyhow [10:17] chrisccoulson, heh, you asked the same question than me there :p [10:18] heh [10:18] chrisccoulson, well you got lucky if that's the same bug the submitter is diwic ;-) [10:18] you will likely have a reply and can do IRC debugging if needed [10:18] or debugging at the rally [10:18] i need to find a POP account really. preferably one which gets lots of spam [10:19] i'm going to end up setting one up later, and then subscribing the address to sites that i would normally steer clear of :) [10:56] pitti: could you please check/apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/753523/ for glib? a annotation missing to allow g_file_set_attribute() to unset a value (to unset it needs to pass NULL for the value) [11:02] mvo: http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=0627759331d857a3b99eec0ed2c13e5cf7f67130 [11:02] mvo: thanks! [11:03] thanks pitti [11:40] pitti: 3.4.4-0ubuntu2 builds in a precise pbuilder just fine (on amd64) [11:40] nice! [11:40] Sweetshark: we'll upload that on Thursday then, after a1 preps are done [11:40] thanks for testing [11:41] pitti: I could give it a run on the arm porter box in the meantime [11:45] pitti: otoh its not in the alpha image and by beta, I will have some 3.5 build hopefully === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:38] do people care about powerpc or armhf build issues to be raised on versions? [12:38] or said different: I'm about to make version ignore those, if you disagree now is the moment to speak ;-) [12:39] seb128: I'd keep armel [12:39] and at some point we should add armhf, but not now [12:39] pitti, yeah, I'm just speaking about powerpc and armhf [12:39] i.e I would keep i386 amd64 armel [12:39] is powerpc so bad right now? [12:39] no, there is just firefox and thunderbird sitting on top of version due to it ;-) [12:40] there's just two, and both are chrisccoulson's bugs [12:40] yeah, it got better recently, there were like 5-6 until recently [12:40] why is firefox on versions? [12:41] it's a desktopy package [12:41] chrisccoulson, because version lists everything desktopish [12:41] ah, i was just wondering if there's a need to have it on there [12:41] chrisccoulson, just making sure that you don't start slacking ;-) [12:41] but regarding the powerpc issue - i don't really care about powerpc ;) [12:42] i'll find the upstream patch which fixes it if i get time, but it's fairly low priority for me [12:43] yeah, I think I will keep the build issue emblems but not raise the powerpc specific issues to be first on the page so we know about them without having them being too noisy [12:44] yeah, makes sense [12:59] seb128: btw, I'll go to the stable+1 team in December [12:59] pitti, ok [12:59] but you'll get mterry and cyphermox back :) [12:59] we get mterry back then? [12:59] oh, cyphermox was,is there? [12:59] didn't know that ;-) [13:14] * rodrigo_ lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:39] pitti, bug 893842 affects language-selector too, breaking non-english installations. [13:39] Launchpad bug 893842 in policykit-1 "Move "admin" group to "sudo"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893842 [13:40] jibel: ah, thanks [13:40] pitti, when I say 'breaking' I mean the user is prompted to install missing langpack but can't. [13:48] jibel: testing a fix [13:57] jibel: fix uploaded [13:57] jibel: that might be worth a respin [13:58] but it affects everything but kubuntu [13:59] pitti, I agree [14:00] pitti, but wait we have another potential problem with amd64 [14:00] pitti, bug 897680 [14:00] Launchpad bug 897680 in ubiquity "12.04 64Bit Alpha1 installer crashed in VirtualBox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897680 [14:00] libc fails to install when the user selects to install flash [14:01] I'm currently trying to reproduce [14:01] E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [14:01] hmm [14:02] the syslog has a million different problems and crashes [14:03] yep, that's why I want to make sure its not a problem with image. [14:03] I did several amd64 test installs, they all worked fine [14:03] but I never tried the "install non-free stuff" option [14:04] jibel: hm, something removes libc-bin, it installs libc-bin:i386 instead [14:06] pitti, usually it's flashplugin's fault [14:06] jibel: so, that does sound reproducible; I have an install running right now, so can't reproduce right now [14:06] yeah [14:06] pitti, I'm on it [14:06] * pitti is still trying to debug the EINVAL thing [14:13] * jibel is reporting bugs with oem installation [14:23] didrocks, kenvandine: just a gentle reminder about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-11-29 ; thanks in advance! [14:23] pitti, yup :) [14:23] pitti: yeah, no worry, have that in my queue :) [14:28] pitti, I confirm 897680 and oem is broken too [14:29] dbus timeout on oem-config-remove [14:29] jibel: ok, OEM is probably uninteresting for alpha-1, I think we can live with documenting this [14:29] but 897680 is a showstopper IMHO [14:30] pitti, agree, there is a timeout but then the session starts as expected. [14:34] pitti, just a note, it seems Josselin fixed some issues in the pkg-gnome gtk3 svn with the multiarch changes [14:34] pitti, not sure how important they are to get in ubuntu [14:35] seb128: we certainly should; I'm also going to sync pygobject after a1, for the python-gi renaming [14:35] but I figure not important enough for a1 [14:35] pitti, yeah, it doesn't seem so [14:36] mterry: do you have a moment to look into bug 897680? [14:36] Launchpad bug 897680 in ubiquity "Precise Desktop 64Bit: libc6 fails to install if "install 3rd party software" is selected" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897680 [14:36] ricotz, hey, you should really start maintaining some packages in Ubuntu ;-) [14:36] mterry: it seems that installing ubuntu-restricted-addons removes libc-bin and installs libc-bin:i386, and thus breaks a lot of dependencies [14:36] ricotz, looking at your testing ppa there is no reason we couldn't update rhythmbox or pango directly in precise [14:37] mterry: I can also do it later on, I'm just debugging another installer bug and I can't run more than one VM on my machine sensibly [14:37] mterry: if it looks too dubious to you, it's ok, I'm just asking === hyperair is now known as Guest43903 [14:37] pitti, I can certainly start looking at it [14:38] would be good to reduce that from "install the whole thing" to a smaller reproducer [14:39] seb128, hi, i know [14:39] ricotz, is there anything we can do to push you to contribute directly to the team work? ;-) [14:39] seb128, pango should be fine, rhythmbox should be merged with debian [14:40] ricotz, I've nothing against your ppa but we would welcome somebody maintaining i.e cogl, clutter, rhythmbox [14:40] ricotz, we can probably update cogl and clutter to the new serie if somebody want to do it [14:40] seb128, i guess if i have upload rights ;) [14:41] seb128, updating cogl and clutter to 1.9.2 isnt a good idea yet [14:41] ricotz, if you do some updates and merges you could get in ubuntu-desktop like jbicha did [14:41] ricotz, it shouldn't be hard to find sponsors around ;-) do you want to do some merges like rhythmbox? [14:42] or maybe things like gnome-applets, gnome-panel? [14:42] ricotz, do you know what is happening with the desktop-extra set btw? [14:42] that seemed to be on tracked to be added but I didn't see recent news about it [14:42] seb128, i guess the packages which are in my ppa are the most interesting ones for me [14:42] bah, have to set up my 64bit vm again [14:42] seb128, just wanted to ask about the extra set [14:43] Laney, ^ do you know what's the status of this one? [14:43] mterry: that should be reproducible in a live environment [14:43] mterry: you just need to give it enough memory to add restricted to apt, update, and install u-r-a [14:43] k [14:43] seb128: jbicha should give us a list and come to the next dmb meeting [14:44] mterry: I tried to install ubuntu-restricted-addons on my workstation, but that didn't reproduce it [14:44] but I already have flash, etc. [14:44] Laney, thanks [14:44] and a final description [14:44] mterry, got time for an MIR review? bug 893286 [14:44] Launchpad bug 893286 in clutter-gst "[MIR] clutter-gst" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893286 [14:44] packages NOT in core, desktop or desktop core which are part of gnome modulesets or so [14:44] ricotz, can you work with jbicha on that? [14:44] kenvandine, I can add it to my queue today. is it very time sensitive? [14:44] Laney, i thought there is already a list done [14:44] we need a final one on which to vote [14:44] Laney, he sent a list with his first email but we can double check and update it [14:44] there were some tweaks to the description since then [14:45] i see [14:46] ricotz, clutter-gst, another of those in your ppa that we could update in precise directly ;-) [14:46] Laney: was there also a source for "part of gnome moduleset" specified? (don't remember the details of the meeting anymore) [14:46] there's some link [14:46] on git.gnome.org [14:47] mterry, not terribly, but i've been itching to get empathy uploaded [14:47] mterry, thx [14:48] kenvandine: eww, clutter into main now? we really tried to avoid this [14:48] kenvandine: it's banned from teh CD, definitively [14:48] pitti, just clutter-gst [14:48] that brings clutter with it [14:48] clutter is in main, but not on the cd [14:48] pitti, I though we agreed to not make video playing depends on it because that it was fine for other less important things? [14:49] kenvandine: ok, just asking; it sounded like empathy would pull it in then [14:49] empathy will [14:49] but nothing else will use it [14:49] because-> but [14:49] seb128: I can't parse the second half of your sentence [14:49] ah [14:50] pitti, we talked about including it, but not having totem use it [14:50] pitti, yeah, sorry, thinko-typo [14:50] seb128: well, I really don't want all that covered by LTS support [14:50] pitti, there is a lot of working going into video calling in empathy and we want those improvements in 12.04 [14:50] pitti, well it's already in main, do we support differently things on the CD in practice? [14:51] seb128: yeah, I mean things like mx [14:51] not mx [14:51] oh, that's not getting in [14:51] I thought it would pull that in [14:51] totem and cheese depends on those [14:51] no [14:51] but not the other things [14:51] empathy doesn't :) [14:51] ah, I see [14:51] just clutter-gst [14:51] so it would be only clutter and clutter-gst [14:51] the rest is already in main [14:51] well, those would get on the CD [14:52] yes === Amaranth__ is now known as Amaranth === Amaranth__ is now known as Amaranth [15:05] taking a break, bbl [15:19] mterry, seb128, so we are going to split the new empathy call handler into a separate binary that won't be on the CD [15:19] but we still need clutter-gst in main [15:20] mterry, so whenever you have time, a review would be nice :) [15:22] mterry: cjwatson just added a comment, seems it's a non-issue [15:23] pitti, damn it, I added a comment too, but didn't refresh first. So now I look like (and am) johnny-come-lately on the bug report. ;) [15:23] pitti, can you reject the older gnome-keyring in -proposed and take a look at the latest one? [15:23] mterry: to the contrary; thanks for looking into it [15:23] i reverted that commit [15:23] kenvandine: sure [15:23] pitti, thx [15:23] pitti, well, glad it's a no-op. I love non-issues [15:27] wow, it's so dark and miserable outside today === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:53] chrisccoulson: yeah: http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ - currently overhead :-) [15:55] heh, i'm glad i'm not in scotland today :) [16:10] kenvandine, great [16:35] * pitti reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-11-29 [16:35] jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_, desrt, agateau: I see no agenta items ^, anything to discuss? [16:36] nothing really for me :) [16:36] pitti, nothing from me, just working on new features [16:36] heyo [16:36] pitti: nothing for me [16:36] hey pitti [16:36] nothing here [16:39] I'm still just chilling in +1-maint land [16:40] (back on Friday for Desktop) [16:42] mterry, \o/ [16:42] mterry: I'll take your baton [16:42] seb128, pitti, hi, this should be applied in ubuntu http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gtk%2B3.0/debian/control.in?r1=31901&r2=31900&pathrev=31901 [16:42] ricotz, thanks, I mentioned it to pitti before, he said after a1 [16:42] seb128, hmm, ok, but this breaks the icon cache update [16:42] isnt this breaking quite some things [16:43] at least for the 64bit isos [16:43] does it? === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [16:44] seb128, it breaks the links for gtk-icon-cache-update-3.0 and the trigger doesnt work then [16:45] oh, right, I remember fixing that bug for gtk2 previous cycle [16:45] pitti, ^ wdyt? [16:45] /usr/sbin/update-icon-caches: 16: /usr/sbin/update-icon-caches: gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0: not found [16:45] WARNING: icon cache generation failed for /usr/share/icons/LowContrast [16:47] seb128: it's in bzr, but it doesn't seem urgent enough for A1 to me -- it doesn't break a lot apparently? [16:48] pitti, well it breaks the icon cache updates, which basically means any new icon installed will in practice be hidden by the outdated cache [16:48] that can lead to segfault and other issues for softwares who don't handle broken installation (i.e to not have the icon they install not available) [16:48] but in practice for the CD itself it's probably not much of an issue [16:49] seb128: right, but with all these strict dependencies on -common, uploading a new version is prone to arch desync and uninstallability [16:49] ah, amd64 has caught up [16:50] so it would actually have a chance of building now (it was locked in some gcc/kernel/etc. builds a few hours ago) [16:50] pitti, ok fair enough, I've no strong opinion as long as the pro and con are understood ;-) [16:51] it will probably lead to a few weird runtime issues for some users, especially those upgrading, but that's not the end of the world [16:52] armel buildds are blocked right now, too [16:52] and a respin is just running [16:52] seb128: so, if you think it's important, please upload and I can set aside an armel build for it [16:53] pitti, it's broken for a week and we didn't get lot of complain so in practice it's probably less an issue that I though [16:53] ok [16:53] pitti, let's delay it to tomorrow or thursday [16:53] did I break this with the multi-arch changes? [16:53] pitti, yes [16:54] pitti, the gtk-update-icon... command path is arch specific now and its symlink is in an arch all binary [16:54] aah, I didn't actually change the Arch: line [16:54] right, I didn't notice that, sorry about this [16:54] pitti, we had the same bug in gtk2 in oneiric but got it fixed during the cycle [16:54] no worry [16:54] thanks ricotz who noticed it and got it fixed in Debian ;-) [16:55] ricotz: cheers! [16:55] no worry ;) -- havent noticed it for a while too [17:16] pitti, hi [17:26] waouh [17:26] "We"re Sorry Thunderbird had a problem and crashed." [17:27] that's the first time it happens since I use tb I think! [17:27] wow... [17:28] the "submitting your report" line starts with a broken icon... [17:28] it doesn't tell me how much it submits and how it's progressing nor has an icon for the dialog (i.e get a "?" in the unity launcher) [17:28] I want apport back :p [17:31] * rodrigo_ out for a bit, bbl [17:31] chrisccoulson, hey [17:32] chrisccoulson, is there any way I can know what tb send to mozilla about my issue? it didn't me any url, bug number or anything [17:32] hi seb128 [17:32] send -> sent [17:32] seb128, you submitted a crash report? [17:32] he finished, closed the dialog and that's it [17:32] chrisccoulson, yeah, read the backlog there ;-) [17:33] seb128, Help -> Troubleshooting Information -> Crash Reports [17:34] oh, i think there might be an issue with retrieving reports from crash-stats atm [17:34] chrisccoulson, no such section or mention on this page [17:35] seb128, oh? what version of thunderbird are you using? [17:35] chrisccoulson, 7.0.1 [17:35] ah, you're out of date :) [17:35] i'm on 9.0b2 [17:36] yeah, seems like 8.0 landed in oneiric-security yesterday [17:36] ok, I will update [17:36] seb128, in that case, you can get crash ID's from ~/.thunderbird/Crash\ Reports/submitted [17:36] so it means it just -> /dev/null my bug report? [17:37] and then just add the ID to the end of http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ [17:37] there is no "submitted", only a "pending" [17:37] it maybe failed to send it? [17:37] oh, perhaps [17:37] that's a pain :( [17:39] chrisccoulson, ok, no worry, my version is outdated anyway [17:39] chrisccoulson, thanks [17:40] seb128: when you are free can you look into this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libepc/+bug/897790 [17:40] Launchpad bug 897790 in libepc "[MIR]libepc" [Undecided,New] [17:41] m4n1sh, thanks for writing it, do you need my input for it? I can't ack it, I'm not in the mir team [17:42] m4n1sh, the bug seems to have all the details needed, you need somebody from ubuntu-mir to review it now [17:42] seb128: I have to subscribe them? right? [17:42] is there a channel for mir [17:43] m4n1sh, yes, subscribe them, do you have any question for them? they review the list regularly so there is no much nagging needed [17:43] okay [17:43] then I think it is fine [17:43] I think i can ping didrocks :) [17:43] he is a part of it [17:43] m4n1sh, they don't have a channel but some people on #ubuntu-desktop and #ubuntu-devel are in the mir team and can reply to questions if you ask them here [17:44] seb128: I know 5 of the 6 people in mir team [17:44] not an issue :) [17:44] yeah, didrocks or mterry, but usually better to not ping directly, give it a week and ping then if you get no reply ;-) [17:44] great [17:44] I should relax and let things happen naturallty [17:44] thanks seb128 for the guidance [17:44] you're welcome [17:45] thanks for the work on that mir ;-) [17:45] m4n1sh, yeah, subscribe "ubuntu-mir" and it doesn't hurt to ping us individually [17:45] mterry: subscribed :) [17:45] mterry: it doesn't hurt for you! I'm hurt :-) [17:46] didrocks, just turn off IRC highlighting :) [17:46] * m4n1sh sometimes feels didrocks has too many things on his plate [17:46] how the hell do you manage [17:46] mterry: nice idea! :-) [17:46] m4n1sh: I try to survive. I stopped managing ;-) [17:46] ha ha [17:47] seb128, a lot of our thunderbird crashes aren't a lot of use atm btw :( [17:47] didier *rambo* roche [17:47] we get a lot of crashes inside eds [17:47] and no symbols for those [17:47] chrisccoulson, because of the other stack components missing? [17:48] seb128, yeah. that's what i'm working on resolving right now :) [17:48] why is eds such a piece of crap :-( [17:48] heh [17:48] chrisccoulson, is mozilla hating us for it? ;-) [17:48] seb128, not sure. m_conley? ;) [17:49] it's a sore subject. :p [17:49] we should maybe try to review the most frequent issues and get them fixed this cycle [17:49] issues in e-d-s which impact tb === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [17:49] tb probably doesn't use so many e-d-s apis, it might not be too hard to fix the most commonly reported bugs [17:51] yeah, hopefully. we can figure that out once we start getting good crash reports :) [17:55] have a good night everyone [17:55] didrocks: bye bye [17:55] bye didrocks [17:56] have a good night! [17:56]