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fb0xljudi jel zna neko kako se instaliraju .pcf.gz fontovi?10:06
Anpupogledaj ovde: http://gobase.org/dict/JIS/helponXfonts.html10:07
fb0xnasao sam vec ovo ali nije to sto meni treba10:09
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fb0xjel ima neko mozda erusfont ttf?10:39
fb0xda mi okaci negde, ne mogu da se zezam sa ovim xD10:39
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TildaTurn<O12:09
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=== Ddpbf changed the topic of #ubuntu-rs to: Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | У току је надоградња горумског софтвера.
olujiczGithzerai: na lomaču!!!18:05
maletaskilol18:05
Ddpbfпа и ви сте могли да исправите18:08
Ddpbfне да ме дозивате18:08
Ddpbfццц18:08
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olujiczbaš mi se dopada novi choqok18:11
Githzeraizar je stigao novi?18:12
olujicz1.218:12
Githzeraieeeeeeeee, otkad to kod mene stoji.....:P18:14
olujicznisam koristio mikro blogovanje neko vreme18:15
Atlantic777fogmaker: hajd na pvt, može?18:30
fogmakerNa sta?!18:48
fogmakerAtlantic777: Obozavam te tinejdj kratice, koje niko nerazume ko predje 25.18:51
Atlantic777pvt = private :D18:52
Atlantic777query18:52
Atlantic777kako god18:52
nemysis /qeruy user :D18:54
sladenhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/78458519:21
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]19:21
sladenplease could somebody check the alternatives offered in the PDF19:21
sladen"Ubuntu 2" and "Ubuntu 3"19:21
sladen(well as many people as possible!)19:21
Atlantic777sladen: the last 2 examples in each font aren't correct.19:24
Atlantic777If I understood correctly what are you asking for. :D19:24
sladenAtlantic777: right, so we're working on trying to fix that.  And I need to feedback to Dalton Maag about whether the redesigns are any better19:24
Atlantic777sladen: oh, it looks ok for me, let me check it with the lords. :D19:25
sladenAtlantic777: have you got the PDF from comment #19   "Ubuntu_DesignModif_2011-11-28_addProp.pdf19:27
Atlantic777sladen: yeah, looking at it at the moment.19:29
Githzeraisladen: AFAIC, these are just fine. I wouldn't touch anything.19:32
sladenGithzerai: "these" ?19:32
sladenGithzerai: can you be more specific?19:33
GithzeraiThat PDF in comment #1919:33
GithzeraiЋЂћђ look as they should19:34
Githzeraithough I never had any problems with current Ubuntu font, whatever version19:34
sladenGithzerai: which do you prefer from the "Ubuntu 2" or "Ubuntu 3" sample?19:35
promisEverything looks fine to me: TtТтЋћЂђ19:36
Githzeraisladen: ubuntu3, smaller font siszes might benefit from "-" placed a bit higher19:37
Githzerai*sizes19:38
promisFor me > Ubuntu 319:38
sladenGithzerai: so the 'knee' in ЋћЂђ all at the same (lower height), but the cross-bar at the same height as the 'Т' ?19:39
sladenpromis: thank you very much.  Would you be able to add that you prefer "Ubuntu 3" (and why) on the bug report at:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/78458519:40
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]19:40
promisOkay19:41
Githzeraisladen: uppercase letters both for ubuntu2 and 3 are fine. Lovercase letters for ђ & ћ are better in ubuntu3. That "crossbar" should be above second blue line (above, not on the top like in uppercase)19:43
promissladen: It looks like Ћ is shorter in height than Ђ19:43
Githzeraisladen: that Corbel font is a good comparrison, it's about the right height for the "crossbar"19:45
sladenpromis: in which example does Ћ look shorter than Ђ19:56
sladen(sorry for asking lots of questions, I need to be really clear before I can try to rely any information back)19:56
promisIn both. Well, in all. But, maybe it is just an illusion.19:57
sladenbtw, if neither are perfect, don't be afraid to say.  You're going to live with the result for 20 years!19:57
sladenpromis: is it the bowl/knee that makes it look shorter.  Or the top bar19:58
promisthe top bar19:58
sladenpromis: Githzerai: is the width of the hook about right;  short it be wider, or narrower?20:00
sladenGithzerai: would you be able to post your thought/comment about prefering the Lowercase in Ubuntu3 too (basically say what you already said, but on the bug report)20:01
sladenand then when you've done that, could everyone look over the proposed improvement to nj/lj:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/65419220:02
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]20:02
Githzeraisladen: of course, np. Also, the "crossbar" width is just fine20:02
sladen /topic Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте  http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите  http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | У току је надоградња форумског софтвера. | Сербиан фонта: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 http://launch20:03
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]20:03
=== Githzerai changed the topic of #ubuntu-rs to: Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | У току је надоградња форумског софтвера. | Ispravka srpsk
=== Githzerai changed the topic of #ubuntu-rs to: Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | Ispravka srpskog ćiriličnog fonta: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585
sladenи #65419220:07
GithzeraiOK :)20:07
=== Githzerai changed the topic of #ubuntu-rs to: Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | Ispravka srpskog ćiriličnog fonta: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 i и http://launchpad
=== Githzerai changed the topic of #ubuntu-rs to: Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | Ispravka ćiriličnog fonta: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 i и http://launchpad.net/bug
=== Githzerai changed the topic of #ubuntu-rs to: Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | Ispravka ćiriličnog fonta: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 i и http://launchpad.net/bugs/654192
GithzeraiI hate topic limitations :/20:08
sladenhttp://pad.lv/784585 i и http://pad.lv/65419220:08
maletaski:D20:08
sladensorry20:09
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]20:09
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]20:09
sladenmaletaski: now we've got your attention?  "Ubuntu 2" or "Ubuntu 3" ?20:10
promissladen: I like the change in width for hook in Corbel and Lucida for ђ ћ. When it starts more narrow. Also for Ђ I like in Lucida that it is more round. Specificly that the middle of the hook is higher than begining. (sorry it's little difficult for me to express myself in english)20:10
Atlantic777My vote goes to Ubuntu 3, too. It looks more natural.20:11
sladen(we're aiming to get "normal", for as many people as possible)20:11
maletaskiyap ubuntu 320:11
sladenmaletaski: -> bug report :)20:11
maletaskiok20:12
maletaski:)20:12
sladenmaletaski: if you can, could you give reasons too.  (If you know them)20:12
maletaskiok20:12
sladenand if it still needs work, we can send it back for more20:12
zag_zdravo :)sto su vam vi hieroglifi Jedva upadol:(20:13
maletaski?20:13
Atlantic777zag_: kakvi hieroglifi? Gde?20:13
maletaskipozdrav20:13
maletaskimisliš na topic20:13
zag_pa kako da udjem na kanal ? Ako ne upisem one hieroglife Nema ulaska20:14
maletaskikoje bre20:14
maletaskine razumem20:14
zag_a oci me bas ne sluze dobro20:14
Atlantic777aha, da nije captcha? :D20:14
maletaskie to20:15
maletaski:D20:15
sladenzag_: PDF y KOMeHT 1920:15
zag_http://www.ubuntu-rs.org/irc-kanal/20:15
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Atlantic777da, da, ta slova na sličici su zaštita protiv robot20:15
Atlantic777robota*20:15
Atlantic777da ih nema, imali bismo prepun kanal robota koji služe za reklamiranje20:15
Atlantic777ovako, poprilično smo sigurni da nisi mašina :)20:16
zag_ok:)20:16
Atlantic777za one koji su upravo stigli, upravo se radi na redizajniranju ubuntu fonta, javio nam se kolega sladen20:16
Atlantic777sporna slova su ćirilična slova đ i ć20:17
maletaskida a forum se trenutno nadograđuje20:17
Atlantic777Ispravka ćiriličnog fonta: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 i и  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65419220:17
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]20:17
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]20:17
maletaskikomentar br 1920:17
Atlantic777Pa možete na ovim adresama da vidite, u komntaru broj 19 se nalazi pdf fajl sa trenutnim predlozima.20:17
maletaskiima pdf20:17
Atlantic777A vaše mišljenje zabeležite kao bubu, ako se neko ne snađe, neka pita slobodno. :)20:18
Anpuhm ubuntu3 izgleda bolje oddvojke20:19
Anpuod dvojke*20:19
maletaskida20:19
maletaskidefinitivno20:19
Anpua sta sa corbel i lucida?20:19
Anpujer i sa njima dase poredi 3?20:20
maletaskito su valda drugačiji fontovi20:20
maletaskikoliko kapiram20:20
Anpuaha, dakle rade samo ispravku na ubuntu20:20
maletaskida20:20
Anpua stsvili su par drugih cisto za poredjenje20:20
maletaskiyap20:20
Anpustavili*20:20
Anpuok20:20
Anpuubuntu 3 definitivno20:20
maletaskipiši onda na bug :D20:21
Anpumada ovo na kraju bi trebalo da je n?20:21
Atlantic777samo treba zabeležiti na launchpadu pošto se ovako gubi u magli20:21
maletaskida20:21
Atlantic777prohuji s vihorom20:21
Anpuhm nemamlp nalog20:21
olujiczAnpu: to je za ukor20:22
Atlantic777ja se time ne bih hvalio :D20:22
Anpuobrisao sam ga, kde je sad na gitu :p20:22
maletaskisram te bilo20:22
olujiczmislim da je to sada sve povezano sa ubuntu one20:22
Anpuma sta ce mi ubuntu one pored owncloud20:23
olujiczako imaš tu nalog, imaš ga i na lp20:23
maletaskiko bre to još nema nalog na lp od naše loze20:23
Atlantic777a šuška se i o logovanju i čuvanju ličnih podešavanja za programe na ubuntu one20:23
Atlantic777logovanje = login i passwd za ubuntu desktop20:23
Anpukulj20:24
Atlantic777mada, to je još uvek neki pluskvan futur :D20:25
Githzeraikratak info: forum će proraditi za par minuta, jedva ga namikerih20:30
maletaski\o/20:30
petar_jeeeeee20:32
Githzeraizato kad vas nema, meni forum letiiiii :D20:33
petar_još ništa :(20:38
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sladen2 comments on one bug, 0 comments on the other?21:38
sladencan I help anyone else to look at the two redesigns and comment?21:39
sladenwe've got 20 people in #ubuntu-rs21:39
sladenis there a mailing list we could contact aswell?21:39
Atlantic777sladen: our mailing list isn't so popular, but our forum is quite large.21:41
Atlantic777Btw, people are mostly comming to ask for help and aren't used to launchpad and bug reporting, but we're working on introducing them to how it is done and why it is so important to file a bug.21:42
sladenAtlantic777: is there a list of 'regulars' (yourself included), who we could try and get answers from?  People who are more used to using Ubuntu21:44
sladenAtlantic777: if Launchpad is a blocker, we can work something out.  In this case, it's important that we get local feedback;  it affects everyone's desktop.  Now and in the future21:44
Atlantic777sladen: uhm... I'll post about this in our „admin section“ of forum. We could get really good feedback on the forum.21:46
sladenAtlantic777: +121:46
Atlantic777sladen: how can we contact you about this?21:46
Atlantic777mail, launchpad?21:47
Atlantic777or just to tell people to write comments at that bug report?21:47
Atlantic777Many of them don't even understand nor can write in English. Could we write some global summary for our community?21:49
sladenAtlantic777: replies in Serbian (and Serbian Cyrillic are fine)21:50
sladenAtlantic777: ideally -> the bug reports.  So that it doesn't get lost21:51
sladenAtlantic777: if you really need to, then email  sladen@canonical.com  / sladen@ubuntu.com  is fine21:51
Atlantic777sladen: ok, just to know. :)21:51
sladenAtlantic777: if you're able to phrase and *ask* other people (in Serbian) then, as you note, it's probably got a better chance of being understood21:52
Atlantic777sladen: it seems that wi have to do it that way in case we (you, them) want some useful feedback.21:54
Atlantic777s/wi/we21:54
sladen:)21:54
Atlantic777sladen: ok, I've just posted a note on forum and we'll see tomorow what can be done.22:06
Atlantic777That would be all from me for today.22:06
Atlantic777gn ;)22:06
Atlantic777ajd, ln i ostalima o/22:07
sladenAtlantic777: hvala!22:07
sladenAtlantic777: (it would be useful if you could comment on both bug reports too)22:07
Atlantic777sladen: actually I don't know what to say about nj/lj :/22:08
Atlantic777sladen: I'll read tomorow all comments and see what was the problem and what is changed.22:08
sladenAtlantic777: does that mean it's better, or worse, or you can't tell (which is allowed)22:08
sladenAtlantic777: okay.  Sleep well22:08
uros1sladen:  me too, must go to sleep, sorry for my low activity here,  tough day on work :)22:34
fb0xljudi koliko sam se ja istripovao kad sam video eng ovde haha xD22:35
fb0xmislio sam da sam promasio kanal xD22:35
sladenuros1: okay.  If you get a chance to look in the morning, it would be greatly appreciated22:39
uros1looking just now :)22:40
GithzeraiIma li neko pritužbe na forum posle nadogradnje?22:41
sladenuros1: PDF-y comment #19   N   PDF-y comment #4722:41
GithzeraiTrebalo bi da sam ga barem malo ubrzao22:41
uros1meni je sasvim dobar odziv22:44
Githzeraiuros1: ma napominjao sam mu se majke22:46
uros1sladen:  comment #19 Ubuntu 2 (lowercase cross-bar at x-height, bowl very below) looks okay with me22:47
uros1as you see bowl is exact lengt like in y22:48
uros1Githzerai: sasvim živahno22:50
uros1sladen: #47 it's acceptable22:52
sladenuros1: could you post to the bug reports themselves.  That way it doesn't get lost, and everyone can read it22:54
uros1shure22:54
sladenuros1: for #47.  "Acceptable".  Does that mean that you think it could be improved further?22:54
uros1no but i`m not expert, as user i think it`s look okay, consistent with other letters22:55
Githzeraisladen: any further improvement would be a matter of a personal taste. The most important thing is that by currently proposed design noone will have any doubt which letter that is.22:56
sladenGithzerai: any chance you could say that in the bug report too?22:56
Githzeraisladen: well, I'm trying, but still have only two hands :) it'll be there asap ;)22:57
* sladen smiles!22:58
uros1sladen:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192/comments/4923:00
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]23:00
Githzeraimy 2bits: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192/comments/5023:11
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]23:11
GithzeraiA bre ljudi, ima li neko osim admina da progovori o serveru ? :) Jel vam sada brži forum, dajte malo fidbeka? :D23:13
uros1ma skroz je živahan23:13
uros1jel radi hvala?23:13
uros1ne radi...23:13
uros1tj nejma ga23:13
Githzerairešavam23:14
uros1cool sasvim živahno radi, a umeo je da roštilja23:14
uros1Githz23:14
Githzeraicpu 8%, mem 225 mb23:14
Githzeraizaklo sam ga :P23:15
uros1burazeru imam vesti...23:15
uros1stiže mi n923:15
uros1:-D23:15
uros1onaj plavi23:15
Githzeraiuros1: tebi se gine?23:15
uros1heheh23:16
sladenthank you Slobodan and uros1!23:17
uros1tnx to you, great work23:17
Githzeraisladen: No, thank you. Great job you did.23:17
sladenGithzerai: are there any other Cyrillic letters that there are issues with?23:18
sladenGithzerai: (I think we have a fix for 'Г' in the monospace too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784549)23:19
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 784549 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu) "Mono: Style: Cyrillic Ghe Г has incorrect bottom serif and looks strange" [Undecided,Confirmed]23:19
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uros1sladen: indeed, okay now23:20
sladenuros1: +addcomment :)23:22
uros1typing...23:22
uros112:30 here, must go to sleep, hard day tomorrow too23:27
uros1good night to all ili laku noć svima23:27
Githzeraisladen: sry, stupi forum is giving me a headache. I'm using ubuntu font as a standard font in KDE, but haven't seen any other problematic letters. Maybe  шШ.  Lowercase ш doesn't seem "even" on both sides... or am i blind?23:28
Githzeraiwell, I guess I am blind....23:30
GithzeraiIt's even afterall23:30
sladenGithzerai: it might not be if it's hinted.  Can you screenshot what you're actually seeing23:32
Githzeraisladen: I hope you'll see it http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2P/SC/1sPCB3ux/thing.png23:36
GithzeraiWhen the font size is above 12, it's all even. But it seems to me that when the fonnt size is as small as on the pisture, lowercase ш doesn't have even sides, lef and right23:38
Githzerai*damn typos, sry23:38
sladenGithzerai: yes, I see it.  It's a hinting issue.  Could you copy and paste  '' and '' in there too and retake the screenshot23:38
sladenGithzerai: they give debugging information23:39
sladenGithzerai: then file it against:  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+filebug?field.title=Hinting:+Mono:+Cyrillic+lowercase+sha23:40
Githzeraisladen: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2i/O6/4isXyEhk/utf1.png23:42
GithzeraiI do hope you speak utf8 :)23:42
sladenGithzerai: stick some spaces in there.  The digital read reads '12'.  Can you take it with the version number (0.800), hinting readout (12), and ш Ш ш Ш m M  all visible23:44
sladen12 == 12 PPEM == 12 Pixels Per Em23:46
sladenGithzerai: any luck?23:49
Githzeraisladen: sry, got a phonecall, bbs23:51

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