[10:06] <fb0x> ljudi jel zna neko kako se instaliraju .pcf.gz fontovi?
[10:07] <Anpu> pogledaj ovde: http://gobase.org/dict/JIS/helponXfonts.html
[10:09] <fb0x> nasao sam vec ovo ali nije to sto meni treba
[10:39] <fb0x> jel ima neko mozda erusfont ttf?
[10:39] <fb0x> da mi okaci negde, ne mogu da se zezam sa ovim xD
[12:09] <TildaTurn> <O
[18:05] <olujicz> Githzerai: na lomaču!!!
[18:05] <maletaski> lol
[18:08] <Ddpbf> па и ви сте могли да исправите
[18:08] <Ddpbf> не да ме дозивате
[18:08] <Ddpbf> ццц
[18:11] <olujicz> baš mi se dopada novi choqok
[18:12] <Githzerai> zar je stigao novi?
[18:12] <olujicz> 1.2
[18:14] <Githzerai> eeeeeeeee, otkad to kod mene stoji.....:P
[18:15] <olujicz> nisam koristio mikro blogovanje neko vreme
[18:30] <Atlantic777> fogmaker: hajd na pvt, može?
[18:48] <fogmaker> Na sta?!
[18:51] <fogmaker> Atlantic777: Obozavam te tinejdj kratice, koje niko nerazume ko predje 25.
[18:52] <Atlantic777> pvt = private :D
[18:52] <Atlantic777> query
[18:52] <Atlantic777> kako god
[18:54] <nemysis>  /qeruy user :D
[19:21] <sladen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585
[19:21] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:21] <sladen> please could somebody check the alternatives offered in the PDF
[19:21] <sladen> "Ubuntu 2" and "Ubuntu 3"
[19:21] <sladen> (well as many people as possible!)
[19:24] <Atlantic777> sladen: the last 2 examples in each font aren't correct.
[19:24] <Atlantic777> If I understood correctly what are you asking for. :D
[19:24] <sladen> Atlantic777: right, so we're working on trying to fix that.  And I need to feedback to Dalton Maag about whether the redesigns are any better
[19:25] <Atlantic777> sladen: oh, it looks ok for me, let me check it with the lords. :D
[19:27] <sladen> Atlantic777: have you got the PDF from comment #19   "Ubuntu_DesignModif_2011-11-28_addProp.pdf
[19:29] <Atlantic777> sladen: yeah, looking at it at the moment.
[19:32] <Githzerai> sladen: AFAIC, these are just fine. I wouldn't touch anything.
[19:32] <sladen> Githzerai: "these" ?
[19:33] <sladen> Githzerai: can you be more specific?
[19:33] <Githzerai> That PDF in comment #19
[19:34] <Githzerai> ЋЂћђ look as they should
[19:34] <Githzerai> though I never had any problems with current Ubuntu font, whatever version
[19:35] <sladen> Githzerai: which do you prefer from the "Ubuntu 2" or "Ubuntu 3" sample?
[19:36] <promis> Everything looks fine to me: TtТтЋћЂђ
[19:37] <Githzerai> sladen: ubuntu3, smaller font siszes might benefit from "-" placed a bit higher
[19:38] <Githzerai> *sizes
[19:38] <promis> For me > Ubuntu 3
[19:39] <sladen> Githzerai: so the 'knee' in ЋћЂђ all at the same (lower height), but the cross-bar at the same height as the 'Т' ?
[19:40] <sladen> promis: thank you very much.  Would you be able to add that you prefer "Ubuntu 3" (and why) on the bug report at:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/784585
[19:40] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:41] <promis> Okay
[19:43] <Githzerai> sladen: uppercase letters both for ubuntu2 and 3 are fine. Lovercase letters for ђ & ћ are better in ubuntu3. That "crossbar" should be above second blue line (above, not on the top like in uppercase)
[19:43] <promis> sladen: It looks like Ћ is shorter in height than Ђ
[19:45] <Githzerai> sladen: that Corbel font is a good comparrison, it's about the right height for the "crossbar"
[19:56] <sladen> promis: in which example does Ћ look shorter than Ђ
[19:56] <sladen> (sorry for asking lots of questions, I need to be really clear before I can try to rely any information back)
[19:57] <promis> In both. Well, in all. But, maybe it is just an illusion.
[19:57] <sladen> btw, if neither are perfect, don't be afraid to say.  You're going to live with the result for 20 years!
[19:58] <sladen> promis: is it the bowl/knee that makes it look shorter.  Or the top bar
[19:58] <promis> the top bar
[20:00] <sladen> promis: Githzerai: is the width of the hook about right;  short it be wider, or narrower?
[20:01] <sladen> Githzerai: would you be able to post your thought/comment about prefering the Lowercase in Ubuntu3 too (basically say what you already said, but on the bug report)
[20:02] <sladen> and then when you've done that, could everyone look over the proposed improvement to nj/lj:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192
[20:02] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[20:02] <Githzerai> sladen: of course, np. Also, the "crossbar" width is just fine
[20:03] <sladen>  /topic Добродошли на ИРЦ канал Убунтове локалне заједнице за Србију | Поставите питање и сачекајте | Први пут сте овде? Погледајте  http://tinyurl.com/6xc3o2z | Коористите  http://goo.gl/ixcN9 | У току је надоградња форумског софтвера. | Сербиан фонта: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 http://launch
[20:03] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:07] <sladen> и #654192
[20:07] <Githzerai> OK :)
[20:08] <Githzerai> I hate topic limitations :/
[20:08] <sladen> http://pad.lv/784585 i и http://pad.lv/654192
[20:08] <maletaski> :D
[20:09] <sladen> sorry
[20:09] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:09] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[20:10] <sladen> maletaski: now we've got your attention?  "Ubuntu 2" or "Ubuntu 3" ?
[20:10] <promis> sladen: I like the change in width for hook in Corbel and Lucida for ђ ћ. When it starts more narrow. Also for Ђ I like in Lucida that it is more round. Specificly that the middle of the hook is higher than begining. (sorry it's little difficult for me to express myself in english)
[20:11] <Atlantic777> My vote goes to Ubuntu 3, too. It looks more natural.
[20:11] <sladen> (we're aiming to get "normal", for as many people as possible)
[20:11] <maletaski> yap ubuntu 3
[20:11] <sladen> maletaski: -> bug report :)
[20:12] <maletaski> ok
[20:12] <maletaski> :)
[20:12] <sladen> maletaski: if you can, could you give reasons too.  (If you know them)
[20:12] <maletaski> ok
[20:12] <sladen> and if it still needs work, we can send it back for more
[20:13] <zag_> zdravo :)sto su vam vi hieroglifi Jedva upadol:(
[20:13] <maletaski> ?
[20:13] <Atlantic777> zag_: kakvi hieroglifi? Gde?
[20:13] <maletaski> pozdrav
[20:13] <maletaski> misliš na topic
[20:14] <zag_> pa kako da udjem na kanal ? Ako ne upisem one hieroglife Nema ulaska
[20:14] <maletaski> koje bre
[20:14] <maletaski> ne razumem
[20:14] <zag_> a oci me bas ne sluze dobro
[20:14] <Atlantic777> aha, da nije captcha? :D
[20:15] <maletaski> e to
[20:15] <maletaski> :D
[20:15] <sladen> zag_: PDF y KOMeHT 19
[20:15] <zag_> http://www.ubuntu-rs.org/irc-kanal/
[20:15] <Atlantic777> da, da, ta slova na sličici su zaštita protiv robot
[20:15] <Atlantic777> robota*
[20:15] <Atlantic777> da ih nema, imali bismo prepun kanal robota koji služe za reklamiranje
[20:16] <Atlantic777> ovako, poprilično smo sigurni da nisi mašina :)
[20:16] <zag_> ok:)
[20:16] <Atlantic777> za one koji su upravo stigli, upravo se radi na redizajniranju ubuntu fonta, javio nam se kolega sladen
[20:17] <Atlantic777> sporna slova su ćirilična slova đ i ć
[20:17] <maletaski> da a forum se trenutno nadograđuje
[20:17] <Atlantic777> Ispravka ćiriličnog fonta: http://launchpad.net/bugs/784585 i и  http://launchpad.net/bugs/654192
[20:17] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784585 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: Ђ, Ћ, ђ, ћ look like latin "h" instead of Cyrillic Т" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:17] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[20:17] <maletaski> komentar br 19
[20:17] <Atlantic777> Pa možete na ovim adresama da vidite, u komntaru broj 19 se nalazi pdf fajl sa trenutnim predlozima.
[20:17] <maletaski> ima pdf
[20:18] <Atlantic777> A vaše mišljenje zabeležite kao bubu, ako se neko ne snađe, neka pita slobodno. :)
[20:19] <Anpu> hm ubuntu3 izgleda bolje oddvojke
[20:19] <Anpu> od dvojke*
[20:19] <maletaski> da
[20:19] <maletaski> definitivno
[20:19] <Anpu> a sta sa corbel i lucida?
[20:20] <Anpu> jer i sa njima dase poredi 3?
[20:20] <maletaski> to su valda drugačiji fontovi
[20:20] <maletaski> koliko kapiram
[20:20] <Anpu> aha, dakle rade samo ispravku na ubuntu
[20:20] <maletaski> da
[20:20] <Anpu> a stsvili su par drugih cisto za poredjenje
[20:20] <maletaski> yap
[20:20] <Anpu> stavili*
[20:20] <Anpu> ok
[20:20] <Anpu> ubuntu 3 definitivno
[20:21] <maletaski> piši onda na bug :D
[20:21] <Anpu> mada ovo na kraju bi trebalo da je n?
[20:21] <Atlantic777> samo treba zabeležiti na launchpadu pošto se ovako gubi u magli
[20:21] <maletaski> da
[20:21] <Atlantic777> prohuji s vihorom
[20:21] <Anpu> hm nemamlp nalog
[20:22] <olujicz> Anpu: to je za ukor
[20:22] <Atlantic777> ja se time ne bih hvalio :D
[20:22] <Anpu> obrisao sam ga, kde je sad na gitu :p
[20:22] <maletaski> sram te bilo
[20:22] <olujicz> mislim da je to sada sve povezano sa ubuntu one
[20:23] <Anpu> ma sta ce mi ubuntu one pored owncloud
[20:23] <olujicz> ako imaš tu nalog, imaš ga i na lp
[20:23] <maletaski> ko bre to još nema nalog na lp od naše loze
[20:23] <Atlantic777> a šuška se i o logovanju i čuvanju ličnih podešavanja za programe na ubuntu one
[20:23] <Atlantic777> logovanje = login i passwd za ubuntu desktop
[20:24] <Anpu> kulj
[20:25] <Atlantic777> mada, to je još uvek neki pluskvan futur :D
[20:30] <Githzerai> kratak info: forum će proraditi za par minuta, jedva ga namikerih
[20:30] <maletaski> \o/
[20:32] <petar_> jeeeeee
[20:33] <Githzerai> zato kad vas nema, meni forum letiiiii :D
[20:38] <petar_> još ništa :(
[21:38] <sladen> 2 comments on one bug, 0 comments on the other?
[21:39] <sladen> can I help anyone else to look at the two redesigns and comment?
[21:39] <sladen> we've got 20 people in #ubuntu-rs
[21:39] <sladen> is there a mailing list we could contact aswell?
[21:41] <Atlantic777> sladen: our mailing list isn't so popular, but our forum is quite large.
[21:42] <Atlantic777> Btw, people are mostly comming to ask for help and aren't used to launchpad and bug reporting, but we're working on introducing them to how it is done and why it is so important to file a bug.
[21:44] <sladen> Atlantic777: is there a list of 'regulars' (yourself included), who we could try and get answers from?  People who are more used to using Ubuntu
[21:44] <sladen> Atlantic777: if Launchpad is a blocker, we can work something out.  In this case, it's important that we get local feedback;  it affects everyone's desktop.  Now and in the future
[21:46] <Atlantic777> sladen: uhm... I'll post about this in our „admin section“ of forum. We could get really good feedback on the forum.
[21:46] <sladen> Atlantic777: +1
[21:46] <Atlantic777> sladen: how can we contact you about this?
[21:47] <Atlantic777> mail, launchpad?
[21:47] <Atlantic777> or just to tell people to write comments at that bug report?
[21:49] <Atlantic777> Many of them don't even understand nor can write in English. Could we write some global summary for our community?
[21:50] <sladen> Atlantic777: replies in Serbian (and Serbian Cyrillic are fine)
[21:51] <sladen> Atlantic777: ideally -> the bug reports.  So that it doesn't get lost
[21:51] <sladen> Atlantic777: if you really need to, then email  sladen@canonical.com  / sladen@ubuntu.com  is fine
[21:51] <Atlantic777> sladen: ok, just to know. :)
[21:52] <sladen> Atlantic777: if you're able to phrase and *ask* other people (in Serbian) then, as you note, it's probably got a better chance of being understood
[21:54] <Atlantic777> sladen: it seems that wi have to do it that way in case we (you, them) want some useful feedback.
[21:54] <Atlantic777> s/wi/we
[21:54] <sladen> :)
[22:06] <Atlantic777> sladen: ok, I've just posted a note on forum and we'll see tomorow what can be done.
[22:06] <Atlantic777> That would be all from me for today.
[22:06] <Atlantic777> gn ;)
[22:07] <Atlantic777> ajd, ln i ostalima o/
[22:07] <sladen> Atlantic777: hvala!
[22:07] <sladen> Atlantic777: (it would be useful if you could comment on both bug reports too)
[22:08] <Atlantic777> sladen: actually I don't know what to say about nj/lj :/
[22:08] <Atlantic777> sladen: I'll read tomorow all comments and see what was the problem and what is changed.
[22:08] <sladen> Atlantic777: does that mean it's better, or worse, or you can't tell (which is allowed)
[22:08] <sladen> Atlantic777: okay.  Sleep well
[22:34] <uros1> sladen:  me too, must go to sleep, sorry for my low activity here,  tough day on work :)
[22:35] <fb0x> ljudi koliko sam se ja istripovao kad sam video eng ovde haha xD
[22:35] <fb0x> mislio sam da sam promasio kanal xD
[22:39] <sladen> uros1: okay.  If you get a chance to look in the morning, it would be greatly appreciated
[22:40] <uros1> looking just now :)
[22:41] <Githzerai> Ima li neko pritužbe na forum posle nadogradnje?
[22:41] <sladen> uros1: PDF-y comment #19   N   PDF-y comment #47
[22:41] <Githzerai> Trebalo bi da sam ga barem malo ubrzao
[22:44] <uros1> meni je sasvim dobar odziv
[22:46] <Githzerai> uros1: ma napominjao sam mu se majke
[22:47] <uros1> sladen:  comment #19 Ubuntu 2 (lowercase cross-bar at x-height, bowl very below) looks okay with me
[22:48] <uros1> as you see bowl is exact lengt like in y
[22:50] <uros1> Githzerai: sasvim živahno
[22:52] <uros1> sladen: #47 it's acceptable
[22:54] <sladen> uros1: could you post to the bug reports themselves.  That way it doesn't get lost, and everyone can read it
[22:54] <uros1> shure
[22:54] <sladen> uros1: for #47.  "Acceptable".  Does that mean that you think it could be improved further?
[22:55] <uros1> no but i`m not expert, as user i think it`s look okay, consistent with other letters
[22:56] <Githzerai> sladen: any further improvement would be a matter of a personal taste. The most important thing is that by currently proposed design noone will have any doubt which letter that is.
[22:56] <sladen> Githzerai: any chance you could say that in the bug report too?
[22:57] <Githzerai> sladen: well, I'm trying, but still have only two hands :) it'll be there asap ;)
[22:58]  * sladen smiles!
[23:00] <uros1> sladen:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192/comments/49
[23:00] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[23:11] <Githzerai> my 2bits: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/654192/comments/50
[23:11] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 654192 in Ubuntu Font Family "Cyrillic: soft-en 'њ' ligature bowl does not meld with horizontal bar" [High,Confirmed]
[23:13] <Githzerai> A bre ljudi, ima li neko osim admina da progovori o serveru ? :) Jel vam sada brži forum, dajte malo fidbeka? :D
[23:13] <uros1> ma skroz je živahan
[23:13] <uros1> jel radi hvala?
[23:13] <uros1> ne radi...
[23:13] <uros1> tj nejma ga
[23:14] <Githzerai> rešavam
[23:14] <uros1> cool sasvim živahno radi, a umeo je da roštilja
[23:14] <uros1> Githz
[23:14] <Githzerai> cpu 8%, mem 225 mb
[23:15] <Githzerai> zaklo sam ga :P
[23:15] <uros1> burazeru imam vesti...
[23:15] <uros1> stiže mi n9
[23:15] <uros1> :-D
[23:15] <uros1> onaj plavi
[23:15] <Githzerai> uros1: tebi se gine?
[23:16] <uros1> heheh
[23:17] <sladen> thank you Slobodan and uros1!
[23:17] <uros1> tnx to you, great work
[23:17] <Githzerai> sladen: No, thank you. Great job you did.
[23:18] <sladen> Githzerai: are there any other Cyrillic letters that there are issues with?
[23:19] <sladen> Githzerai: (I think we have a fix for 'Г' in the monospace too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784549)
[23:19] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 784549 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu) "Mono: Style: Cyrillic Ghe Г has incorrect bottom serif and looks strange" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:20] <uros1> sladen: indeed, okay now
[23:22] <sladen> uros1: +addcomment :)
[23:22] <uros1> typing...
[23:27] <uros1> 12:30 here, must go to sleep, hard day tomorrow too
[23:27] <uros1> good night to all ili laku noć svima
[23:28] <Githzerai> sladen: sry, stupi forum is giving me a headache. I'm using ubuntu font as a standard font in KDE, but haven't seen any other problematic letters. Maybe  шШ.  Lowercase ш doesn't seem "even" on both sides... or am i blind?
[23:30] <Githzerai> well, I guess I am blind....
[23:30] <Githzerai> It's even afterall
[23:32] <sladen> Githzerai: it might not be if it's hinted.  Can you screenshot what you're actually seeing
[23:36] <Githzerai> sladen: I hope you'll see it http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2P/SC/1sPCB3ux/thing.png
[23:38] <Githzerai> When the font size is above 12, it's all even. But it seems to me that when the fonnt size is as small as on the pisture, lowercase ш doesn't have even sides, lef and right
[23:38] <Githzerai> *damn typos, sry
[23:38] <sladen> Githzerai: yes, I see it.  It's a hinting issue.  Could you copy and paste  '' and '' in there too and retake the screenshot
[23:39] <sladen> Githzerai: they give debugging information
[23:40] <sladen> Githzerai: then file it against:  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+filebug?field.title=Hinting:+Mono:+Cyrillic+lowercase+sha
[23:42] <Githzerai> sladen: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2i/O6/4isXyEhk/utf1.png
[23:42] <Githzerai> I do hope you speak utf8 :)
[23:44] <sladen> Githzerai: stick some spaces in there.  The digital read reads '12'.  Can you take it with the version number (0.800), hinting readout (12), and ш Ш ш Ш m M  all visible
[23:46] <sladen> 12 == 12 PPEM == 12 Pixels Per Em
[23:49] <sladen> Githzerai: any luck?
[23:51] <Githzerai> sladen: sry, got a phonecall, bbs