| dmj726 | I'll have to get on that later with more discussion of networked apps I think | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| imnichol | Yeah | 00:01 |
| imnichol | I remember a discussion that I think had a collective sort of agreement that just vnc-ing into the tv was a bad idea for bandwidth reasons, but that the option might be useful for other stuff | 00:02 |
| dmj726 | https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00006.html | 00:03 |
| dmj726 | that whole thread I think | 00:03 |
| dmj726 | also some stuff in irc | 00:03 |
| imnichol | Yeah the IRC stuff was what I was thinking of | 00:04 |
| imnichol | So I don't know about anyone else, but I've kind of been operating on the assumption that Canonical would be very involved in actually bringing UbuntuTV/Tablet/Phones to market. | 00:07 |
| imnichol | But from the mailing list, I get the feeling that not everyone agrees | 00:09 |
| dmj726 | imnichol: I hope they jump in at some point soon | 00:19 |
| imnichol | Ok, here's my thing: If we just used Unity, Canonical could create some "official", "supported", "stable" apps to do all the functionality that we've been talking about | 00:20 |
| imnichol | And then people could write their own(using quickly or something?) to extend the functionality | 00:20 |
| tgm4883 | I still don't like Unity for the TV | 00:20 |
| tgm4883 | maybe a heavily modified Unity, but then whats the point | 00:21 |
| imnichol | I think Unity is already a pretty effective interface for a television, so we just need applications that give us the functionality of a tv tuner | 00:21 |
| imnichol | tgm4883: I get the feeling that you and I will disagree for eternity about this ;) | 00:21 |
| imnichol | After the bomb gets dropped, the only life on earth are the cockroaches, and then you and I sitting at our computers arguing | 00:22 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong ;) | 00:22 |
| imnichol | Touche | 00:22 |
| imnichol | Of course this is my personal opinion, but I think that quickly would be a very effective tool for writing programs for an ubuntu-tv | 00:23 |
| tgm4883 | so I think the basis of the argument was wasted space right? (asside from Unity being a bit resource intensive) | 00:23 |
| imnichol | I think so, but no one has ever exactly explained what space is wasted with unity | 00:24 |
| imnichol | (explained to me at least) | 00:24 |
| tgm4883 | Everything beyond the launcher? | 00:24 |
| tgm4883 | Everything beyond the lense | 00:24 |
| imnichol | What do you mean by beyond? | 00:24 |
| imnichol | Because I love Unity since it gives me so much screen realestate when I'm working | 00:25 |
| tgm4883 | ok, so I hit the super key right now, a lense pops up and uses the top left 25% of my screen | 00:25 |
| tgm4883 | the other 75% is wasted | 00:25 |
| tgm4883 | Granted, I've only been using Unity for a few weeks | 00:25 |
| imnichol | Oh ok | 00:26 |
| imnichol | I suddenly get it | 00:26 |
| imnichol | Yeah, I agree to a point | 00:26 |
| imnichol | But I think that the ability to continue watching the program that's currently open is a large enough benefit | 00:26 |
| tgm4883 | I'm not 100% sure why that would happen on a desktop (there has to be a reason right?) but I'm 100% sure that is bad on a TV | 00:26 |
| imnichol | I"ll give you an example | 00:27 |
| imnichol | I'm using xchat here on my 11.10 laptop | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | nobody wants to bring up the unity menu on a tv while watching a show | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | ok continue | 00:27 |
| imnichol | I want to search for a file, while still watching to see if anyone posts something new | 00:27 |
| imnichol | Actually I disagree there with you | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | I'll agree for the desktop usage | 00:27 |
| tgm4883 | show me why I want that on a TV | 00:28 |
| tgm4883 | also, I get to go home in 2 minutes | 00:28 |
| imnichol | Congrats, I got home 2 hours ago thanks to CST | 00:28 |
| imnichol | One of the benefits of a fly-over state | 00:28 |
| imnichol | I'll be quick then: | 00:28 |
| imnichol | You're watching football but you want to do something with the unity menu | 00:29 |
| tgm4883 | What do I want to do? I mean, I'm watching football, there isn't much else that matters ;) | 00:29 |
| imnichol | So you bring up the menu and start doing whatever, and meanwhile your Aaron Rogers brings the Packers to another victory | 00:29 |
| imnichol | Thank goodness the menu didn't fill up the entire screen so you got to see the touchdown! | 00:30 |
| tgm4883 | well, I got to see 75% of it | 00:30 |
| tgm4883 | although I could just pause it as well | 00:30 |
| imnichol | Better than 0% | 00:30 |
| tgm4883 | or hit rewind | 00:30 |
| imnichol | Not all of us subscribe to tvo for whatever reason | 00:31 |
| imnichol | Maybe the HDD is full of all the Family Guy that our children recorded | 00:31 |
| imnichol | Point being we shouldn't take it for granted | 00:31 |
| imnichol | However you could just make the unity menu larger | 00:31 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, I should go, but let me leave you with this. If I care about X show that is on, why would I try to do something else when I want to pay attention to the show? | 00:31 |
| imnichol | Safe travels | 00:32 |
| imnichol | Peace | 00:32 |
| tgm4883 | So where am I suppose to put this UBuntu.zip pencil files? | 02:25 |
| tgm4883 | ah there we go | 02:28 |
| gdulhr | Hi all | 07:38 |
| AlanBell | tgm4883: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/tgm4883/ | 08:08 |
| AlanBell | tgm4883: when you do the export if you select ubuntu theme in the dropdown you get the sidebar thumbnails | 08:08 |
| tgm4883 | AlanBell, oddly enough, I thought I had them | 11:16 |
| tgm4883 | that page seems to show everything twice | 11:16 |
| AlanBell | oh maybe something else going on then | 11:18 |
| AlanBell | my fault :) | 11:19 |
| AlanBell | permissions error on the jquery files | 11:19 |
| AlanBell | looks like it didn't export the music picture right, sometimes it does that if you have something selected when you export I think | 11:20 |
| AlanBell | fixed and on the wiki | 11:22 |
| AlanBell | if you can send me an updated music.png that would be great | 11:22 |
| seif | hi AlanBell | 11:24 |
| seif | did u look at mex | 11:24 |
| AlanBell | no | 11:25 |
| seif | AlanBell, its interestng | 11:27 |
| seif | AlanBell, https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/458233:an-early-expedition-with-media-explorer-on-linux | 11:27 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I am not too interested in the implementation side of it though | 11:31 |
| AlanBell | I just want to help this project use free software UX design tools | 11:32 |
| tgm4883 | AlanBell, sending music.png now | 12:33 |
| AlanBell | updated | 12:42 |
| tgm4883 | AlanBell, thanks | 12:44 |
| AlanBell | really pleased at the use of the template tbh | 12:48 |
| MrChrisDruif | Good afternoon, did you all read the email from André? | 14:05 |
| tgm4883 | Andre? | 15:30 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, link? | 15:30 |
| NCommander | evening all | 15:39 |
| NCommander | so I've been looking at packaging xbmc; is there anyone actively working on this? | 16:26 |
| NCommander | wb og | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; was in the mailing-list, I'll look it up | 16:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/msg00076.html | 16:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | Aloha NCommander | 16:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | Woow, 23 people in here =) A new record, except for the meeting | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | there are meetings ? | 16:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, people. I see two bots | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, we had one to prioritize the current feature list we came up with | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | hmm, that mail clearly came in today, i wonder why i didnt get it | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | (i'm subscribed since yesterday) | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | oh, wait ... thats a different list | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | why do we have two ? | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | i subscribed (as for all other ubuntu lists) at lists.ubuntu.com | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | but that mail seems to have gone to some launchpad thing | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | one of them should be closed | 16:37 |
| MrChrisDruif | We have a Ubuntu-tv mailing-list at lists.ubuntu.com? =P | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | obviously | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tv | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | thats a tad redundant | 16:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | So it seems =) https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-tv | 16:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha | 16:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, let me put it like this: I'm using the launchpad mailing-list, so see if that Ubuntu list will be worthwhile to follow ;-) | 16:39 |
| imnichol | So wait, if I'm signed up for the launchpad list, I don't get the ubuntu list automatically? | 16:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; don't sweat it. I didn't even knew about the ubuntu list | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | usually all "ubuntu-" named lists are managed by mailman | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | and no, they are not shared with LP | 16:43 |
| imnichol | Welp, time to subscribe to another mailing list then | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | but there might be plans to move everythng to LP or some such | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | though i havent seen that announced | 16:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | have | 16:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | *? | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | haven't | 16:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah, read error. My bad =) | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | Oh my, that was an explosion in activity yesterday on the mailing-list | 16:52 |
| imnichol | Isn't tgm Thomas Mashos? | 17:00 |
| imnichol | tgm4883 or whatever the numbers are | 17:01 |
| imnichol | Oh hey, he's even in this channel! :) | 17:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; you can auto-complete with tab, even with webchat applications | 17:02 |
| imnichol | Oh man | 17:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | And I think so imnichol | 17:02 |
| imnichol | Awesome | 17:02 |
| imnichol | I'm using xchat | 17:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, a whole new world unfolds for you then my friend =) | 17:02 |
| imnichol | It's like I've crawled out of the Cave and I'm seeing the world instead of its shadows | 17:03 |
| imnichol | To be honest, I'm not even sure what Ian, Thomas, and Jo-Erlend are arguing about | 17:04 |
| imnichol | I've just been imagining that we'd end up tweaking Unity a bit to make it more TV friendly and then using custom repos to control what people install | 17:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, most responses weren | 17:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | t very usefull | 17:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | Crappy ' location | 17:20 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, I'm here | 17:22 |
| tgm4883 | NCommander, I've been looking into it | 17:23 |
| * imnichol is away: I'm busy | 17:24 | |
| tgm4883 | with any luck we will get it from Debian soon | 17:24 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; xbmc is packaged in debian already? | 17:26 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, there is someone working on it | 17:27 |
| tgm4883 | They've done alot of the work already | 17:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | Great, that means it also comes to Ubuntu right? | 17:27 |
| tgm4883 | exactly | 17:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha, alot =') | 17:27 |
| * imnichol is back (gone 00:03:16) | 17:27 | |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; I don't like your away messages ;-) | 17:27 |
| tgm4883 | I actually just looked the guy up on IRC, hoping he will respond back. He's actually in the same state as me | 17:28 |
| imnichol | Yeah I need to change them | 17:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | It gives me false hope of activity in #ubuntu-tablet && #ubuntu-phone | 17:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha | 17:28 |
| imnichol | Oh man, just realized that | 17:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | Btw, tgm4883; http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | 17:28 |
| imnichol | So has anyone from Canonical weighed in on this at all? | 17:29 |
| imnichol | I suffer from not knowing who anyone is | 17:29 |
| tgm4883 | yea I know, this netbook will be the death of me | 17:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | Heh, I think popey & AlanBell both are Canonical, but I can be mistaken (maybe just popey) | 17:30 |
| tgm4883 | imnichol, I don't believe any canonical people have weighed in on any of the designs nor feature list | 17:30 |
| popey | you are MrChrisDruif | 17:30 |
| tgm4883 | aside from marks post | 17:30 |
| popey | AlanBell works for his own company. | 17:30 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, the most important Canonical person has weighed in then ;-) | 17:30 |
| popey | i spy a few Canonical people here though | 17:30 |
| tgm4883 | popey, works for canonical. Formally? of UUPC? | 17:30 |
| popey | I do. | 17:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | But you are with Canonical right popey ? | 17:31 |
| popey | I am. | 17:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | =) | 17:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | So imnichol , there is your answer =) | 17:31 |
| tgm4883 | looks like a linaro person is here as well | 17:31 |
| tgm4883 | there was another that joined from canonical earlier today, but I'd have to look at my join messages on my desktop | 17:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha, I hide those. Really annoying =P | 17:32 |
| imnichol | I'm really excited for finals to be over next week, so that I can put some time into creating a mockup | 17:32 |
| AlanBell | popey: how was the app show thing? | 17:33 |
| popey | Bit rubbish | 17:33 |
| popey | Great if you wanted a platform to put your apps on | 17:33 |
| popey | or if you wanted some apps for your platform | 17:33 |
| popey | But not so good if you were (for example) building an entire platform and apps :D | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | I see | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | so what kind of apps were people wanting to build for TV? | 17:34 |
| popey | well there were lots of app development platforms | 17:34 |
| tgm4883 | NCommander, FWIW, i'm currently using the build scripts for XBMC to try and build it on my PPA for oneiric | 17:34 |
| popey | "We can help you get your apps into Samsung/Boxee/Google etc devices" | 17:34 |
| popey | "We can provide a white-box video playback platform for your devices" | 17:35 |
| popey | etc | 17:35 |
| popey | A few nice TV setups it was good to borrow ideas from ☺ | 17:35 |
| AlanBell | are they expecting apps to be java based? | 17:35 |
| popey | "they"? | 17:35 |
| AlanBell | the "we can help you" people | 17:35 |
| popey | didnt get into a lot of specifics, some were java tho | 17:36 |
| popey | got a bit of swag too | 17:36 |
| AlanBell | what is the swag de jour? | 17:37 |
| AlanBell | USB keys? | 17:37 |
| popey | yeah, and pads, pens | 17:39 |
| popey | and a wooden aeroplane for Sam | 17:39 |
| NCommander | tgm4883: I can give you a hand packaging it | 17:41 |
| popey | Interesting URLs from leaflets:- http://www.pushbutton.tv/ & http://www.tvappagency.com/ | 17:41 |
| AlanBell | I think it would be rather fine to be app-compatible with other platforms | 17:42 |
| tgm4883 | NCommander, like i said, there isn't really any work to be done packaging it, unless you are talking for 12.04. I'm unsure if it will be in debian in time for the cutoff | 17:42 |
| tgm4883 | i'm still working out some of the kinks on my ppa though | 17:42 |
| popey | there's loads of players, being compatible is nice but tricky given how vast the market is | 17:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; have you got a wiki page by any chance? | 17:42 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, for? | 17:43 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, it's always got to let people know who you are. Just like you can click on AlanBell's name on the /Designs page | 17:43 |
| AlanBell | popey: not compatible with everything, perhaps, but it would be good to have a heap of apps from day 1 though | 17:44 |
| tgm4883 | I don't have a wiki page | 17:44 |
| tgm4883 | I have a google profile page | 17:44 |
| tgm4883 | I refuse to keep my contact info on multiple pages | 17:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | You can also link to outside sources, just like the storyboards | 17:46 |
| popey | AlanBell: I expect things to get worse before any consolidation happens | 17:48 |
| popey | where "worse" means, even more proliferation of platforms | 17:48 |
| AlanBell | supporting boxee apps looks plausible | 17:48 |
| AlanBell | in fact boxee is an xbmc fork and should be more or less app compatible with xbmc | 17:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | AlanBell; they are | 17:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | Apparently you can use the "Boxee Remote" from the Android Market to control XBMC as well | 17:54 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, fixed | 17:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | Great | 17:55 |
| tgm4883 | Is Boxee even open source yet? | 17:56 |
| MrChrisDruif | tgm4883; isn't it? | 17:58 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, it wasn't last time I looked, but that was a while ago | 17:58 |
| tgm4883 | before the box was released | 17:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | I thought (read: assumed) it was open-source | 17:59 |
| tgm4883 | MrChrisDruif, parts of it were open source. The parts that are based on XBMC | 18:00 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright | 18:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | I should saddle up my horse and go to music, see ya'll later =) | 18:03 |
| AlanBell | http://www.sg.hu/cikkek/86104/korvonalazodik_az_ubuntu_tv | 23:56 |
| AlanBell | http://www.hwjournal.net/home-entertainment/ubuntu-vuole-andare-in-tv-9073 | 23:56 |
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