[00:00] I'll have to get on that later with more discussion of networked apps I think [00:01] Yeah [00:02] I remember a discussion that I think had a collective sort of agreement that just vnc-ing into the tv was a bad idea for bandwidth reasons, but that the option might be useful for other stuff [00:03] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00006.html [00:03] that whole thread I think [00:03] also some stuff in irc [00:04] Yeah the IRC stuff was what I was thinking of [00:07] So I don't know about anyone else, but I've kind of been operating on the assumption that Canonical would be very involved in actually bringing UbuntuTV/Tablet/Phones to market. [00:09] But from the mailing list, I get the feeling that not everyone agrees [00:19] imnichol: I hope they jump in at some point soon [00:20] Ok, here's my thing: If we just used Unity, Canonical could create some "official", "supported", "stable" apps to do all the functionality that we've been talking about [00:20] And then people could write their own(using quickly or something?) to extend the functionality [00:20] I still don't like Unity for the TV [00:21] maybe a heavily modified Unity, but then whats the point [00:21] I think Unity is already a pretty effective interface for a television, so we just need applications that give us the functionality of a tv tuner [00:21] tgm4883: I get the feeling that you and I will disagree for eternity about this ;) [00:22] After the bomb gets dropped, the only life on earth are the cockroaches, and then you and I sitting at our computers arguing [00:22] imnichol, I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong ;) [00:22] Touche [00:23] Of course this is my personal opinion, but I think that quickly would be a very effective tool for writing programs for an ubuntu-tv [00:23] so I think the basis of the argument was wasted space right? (asside from Unity being a bit resource intensive) [00:24] I think so, but no one has ever exactly explained what space is wasted with unity [00:24] (explained to me at least) [00:24] Everything beyond the launcher? [00:24] Everything beyond the lense [00:24] What do you mean by beyond? [00:25] Because I love Unity since it gives me so much screen realestate when I'm working [00:25] ok, so I hit the super key right now, a lense pops up and uses the top left 25% of my screen [00:25] the other 75% is wasted [00:25] Granted, I've only been using Unity for a few weeks [00:26] Oh ok [00:26] I suddenly get it [00:26] Yeah, I agree to a point [00:26] But I think that the ability to continue watching the program that's currently open is a large enough benefit [00:26] I'm not 100% sure why that would happen on a desktop (there has to be a reason right?) but I'm 100% sure that is bad on a TV [00:27] I"ll give you an example [00:27] I'm using xchat here on my 11.10 laptop [00:27] nobody wants to bring up the unity menu on a tv while watching a show [00:27] ok continue [00:27] I want to search for a file, while still watching to see if anyone posts something new [00:27] Actually I disagree there with you [00:27] I'll agree for the desktop usage [00:28] show me why I want that on a TV [00:28] also, I get to go home in 2 minutes [00:28] Congrats, I got home 2 hours ago thanks to CST [00:28] One of the benefits of a fly-over state [00:28] I'll be quick then: [00:29] You're watching football but you want to do something with the unity menu [00:29] What do I want to do? I mean, I'm watching football, there isn't much else that matters ;) [00:29] So you bring up the menu and start doing whatever, and meanwhile your Aaron Rogers brings the Packers to another victory [00:30] Thank goodness the menu didn't fill up the entire screen so you got to see the touchdown! [00:30] well, I got to see 75% of it [00:30] although I could just pause it as well [00:30] Better than 0% [00:30] or hit rewind [00:31] Not all of us subscribe to tvo for whatever reason [00:31] Maybe the HDD is full of all the Family Guy that our children recorded [00:31] Point being we shouldn't take it for granted [00:31] However you could just make the unity menu larger [00:31] imnichol, I should go, but let me leave you with this. If I care about X show that is on, why would I try to do something else when I want to pay attention to the show? [00:32] Safe travels [00:32] Peace [02:25] So where am I suppose to put this UBuntu.zip pencil files? [02:28] ah there we go [07:38] Hi all [08:08] tgm4883: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/tgm4883/ [08:08] tgm4883: when you do the export if you select ubuntu theme in the dropdown you get the sidebar thumbnails [11:16] AlanBell, oddly enough, I thought I had them [11:16] that page seems to show everything twice [11:18] oh maybe something else going on then [11:19] my fault :) [11:19] permissions error on the jquery files [11:20] looks like it didn't export the music picture right, sometimes it does that if you have something selected when you export I think [11:22] fixed and on the wiki [11:22] if you can send me an updated music.png that would be great [11:24] hi AlanBell [11:24] did u look at mex [11:25] no [11:27] AlanBell, its interestng [11:27] AlanBell, https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/458233:an-early-expedition-with-media-explorer-on-linux [11:31] yeah, I am not too interested in the implementation side of it though [11:32] I just want to help this project use free software UX design tools [12:33] AlanBell, sending music.png now [12:42] updated [12:44] AlanBell, thanks [12:48] really pleased at the use of the template tbh [14:05] Good afternoon, did you all read the email from André? [15:30] Andre? [15:30] MrChrisDruif, link? [15:39] evening all [16:26] so I've been looking at packaging xbmc; is there anyone actively working on this? [16:27] wb og [16:29] heh [16:31] tgm4883; was in the mailing-list, I'll look it up [16:33] tgm4883; https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/msg00076.html [16:33] Aloha NCommander [16:34] Woow, 23 people in here =) A new record, except for the meeting [16:34] there are meetings ? [16:34] Well, people. I see two bots [16:35] :) [16:35] Well, we had one to prioritize the current feature list we came up with [16:35] hmm, that mail clearly came in today, i wonder why i didnt get it [16:36] (i'm subscribed since yesterday) [16:36] oh, wait ... thats a different list [16:36] why do we have two ? [16:37] i subscribed (as for all other ubuntu lists) at lists.ubuntu.com [16:37] but that mail seems to have gone to some launchpad thing [16:37] one of them should be closed [16:37] We have a Ubuntu-tv mailing-list at lists.ubuntu.com? =P [16:38] obviously [16:38] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-tv [16:38] thats a tad redundant [16:38] So it seems =) https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-tv [16:38] Haha [16:39] Well, let me put it like this: I'm using the launchpad mailing-list, so see if that Ubuntu list will be worthwhile to follow ;-) [16:41] So wait, if I'm signed up for the launchpad list, I don't get the ubuntu list automatically? [16:43] imnichol; don't sweat it. I didn't even knew about the ubuntu list [16:43] usually all "ubuntu-" named lists are managed by mailman [16:43] and no, they are not shared with LP [16:44] Welp, time to subscribe to another mailing list then [16:44] but there might be plans to move everythng to LP or some such [16:44] though i havent seen that announced [16:45] have [16:45] *? [16:45] haven't [16:46] Ah, read error. My bad =) [16:46] :) [16:52] Oh my, that was an explosion in activity yesterday on the mailing-list [17:00] Isn't tgm Thomas Mashos? [17:01] tgm4883 or whatever the numbers are [17:01] Oh hey, he's even in this channel! :) [17:02] imnichol; you can auto-complete with tab, even with webchat applications [17:02] Oh man [17:02] And I think so imnichol [17:02] Awesome [17:02] I'm using xchat [17:02] Well, a whole new world unfolds for you then my friend =) [17:03] It's like I've crawled out of the Cave and I'm seeing the world instead of its shadows [17:04] To be honest, I'm not even sure what Ian, Thomas, and Jo-Erlend are arguing about [17:05] I've just been imagining that we'd end up tweaking Unity a bit to make it more TV friendly and then using custom repos to control what people install [17:20] Alright, most responses weren [17:20] t very usefull [17:20] Crappy ' location [17:22] imnichol, I'm here [17:23] NCommander, I've been looking into it [17:24] * imnichol is away: I'm busy [17:24] with any luck we will get it from Debian soon [17:26] tgm4883; xbmc is packaged in debian already? [17:27] MrChrisDruif, there is someone working on it [17:27] They've done alot of the work already [17:27] Great, that means it also comes to Ubuntu right? [17:27] exactly [17:27] Haha, alot =') [17:27] * imnichol is back (gone 00:03:16) [17:27] imnichol; I don't like your away messages ;-) [17:28] I actually just looked the guy up on IRC, hoping he will respond back. He's actually in the same state as me [17:28] Yeah I need to change them [17:28] It gives me false hope of activity in #ubuntu-tablet && #ubuntu-phone [17:28] Haha [17:28] Oh man, just realized that [17:28] Btw, tgm4883; http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html [17:29] So has anyone from Canonical weighed in on this at all? [17:29] I suffer from not knowing who anyone is [17:29] yea I know, this netbook will be the death of me [17:30] Heh, I think popey & AlanBell both are Canonical, but I can be mistaken (maybe just popey) [17:30] imnichol, I don't believe any canonical people have weighed in on any of the designs nor feature list [17:30] you are MrChrisDruif [17:30] aside from marks post [17:30] AlanBell works for his own company. [17:30] Well, the most important Canonical person has weighed in then ;-) [17:30] i spy a few Canonical people here though [17:30] popey, works for canonical. Formally? of UUPC? [17:31] I do. [17:31] But you are with Canonical right popey ? [17:31] I am. [17:31] =) [17:31] So imnichol , there is your answer =) [17:31] looks like a linaro person is here as well [17:32] there was another that joined from canonical earlier today, but I'd have to look at my join messages on my desktop [17:32] Haha, I hide those. Really annoying =P [17:32] I'm really excited for finals to be over next week, so that I can put some time into creating a mockup [17:33] popey: how was the app show thing? [17:33] Bit rubbish [17:33] Great if you wanted a platform to put your apps on [17:33] or if you wanted some apps for your platform [17:33] But not so good if you were (for example) building an entire platform and apps :D [17:33] I see [17:34] so what kind of apps were people wanting to build for TV? [17:34] well there were lots of app development platforms [17:34] NCommander, FWIW, i'm currently using the build scripts for XBMC to try and build it on my PPA for oneiric [17:34] "We can help you get your apps into Samsung/Boxee/Google etc devices" [17:35] "We can provide a white-box video playback platform for your devices" [17:35] etc [17:35] A few nice TV setups it was good to borrow ideas from ☺ [17:35] are they expecting apps to be java based? [17:35] "they"? [17:35] the "we can help you" people [17:36] didnt get into a lot of specifics, some were java tho [17:36] got a bit of swag too [17:37] what is the swag de jour? [17:37] USB keys? [17:39] yeah, and pads, pens [17:39] and a wooden aeroplane for Sam [17:41] tgm4883: I can give you a hand packaging it [17:41] Interesting URLs from leaflets:- http://www.pushbutton.tv/ & http://www.tvappagency.com/ [17:42] I think it would be rather fine to be app-compatible with other platforms [17:42] NCommander, like i said, there isn't really any work to be done packaging it, unless you are talking for 12.04. I'm unsure if it will be in debian in time for the cutoff [17:42] i'm still working out some of the kinks on my ppa though [17:42] there's loads of players, being compatible is nice but tricky given how vast the market is [17:42] tgm4883; have you got a wiki page by any chance? [17:43] MrChrisDruif, for? [17:43] Well, it's always got to let people know who you are. Just like you can click on AlanBell's name on the /Designs page [17:44] popey: not compatible with everything, perhaps, but it would be good to have a heap of apps from day 1 though [17:44] I don't have a wiki page [17:44] I have a google profile page [17:45] I refuse to keep my contact info on multiple pages [17:46] You can also link to outside sources, just like the storyboards [17:48] AlanBell: I expect things to get worse before any consolidation happens [17:48] where "worse" means, even more proliferation of platforms [17:48] supporting boxee apps looks plausible [17:51] in fact boxee is an xbmc fork and should be more or less app compatible with xbmc [17:53] AlanBell; they are [17:54] Apparently you can use the "Boxee Remote" from the Android Market to control XBMC as well [17:55] MrChrisDruif, fixed [17:55] Great [17:56] Is Boxee even open source yet? [17:58] tgm4883; isn't it? [17:58] MrChrisDruif, it wasn't last time I looked, but that was a while ago [17:58] before the box was released [17:59] I thought (read: assumed) it was open-source [18:00] MrChrisDruif, parts of it were open source. The parts that are based on XBMC [18:01] Alright [18:03] I should saddle up my horse and go to music, see ya'll later =) [23:56] http://www.sg.hu/cikkek/86104/korvonalazodik_az_ubuntu_tv [23:56] http://www.hwjournal.net/home-entertainment/ubuntu-vuole-andare-in-tv-9073