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ujjainI have less/fewer nukes than you. (Which is right?)07:09
AlanBellujjain: fewer07:38
AlanBellmorning all07:38
danfishmorning07:46
danfishthe sun supposedly rose a bit ago....not that you can tell today07:46
danfishnot gonna be a good day for us SAD suffers :(07:47
AlanBellhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/8922159/Londons-Millbank-tower-collapses-in-spectacular-light-show.html08:20
AlanBellnot as good as some of the other building projections08:25
popeyand the streaming failed completely08:25
popeyloads of people complaining on the nokia facebook page08:26
popeyeven people there complained it only lasted 10 minutes and the audio sync was out08:26
AlanBelllooked like there was far too much just projecting video onto it08:27
AlanBellmight as well not have been a building08:27
popeyhttp://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/08:33
popeywonder what technology it uses08:33
AlanBellthe British Library is a strong Microsofy lobbyist08:35
czajkowskimorning08:39
czajkowskistream looked good from apt obviously no audio just nice colours08:40
popeystream or do you mean 'real life eyeballs' ?08:41
czajkowskilol08:41
czajkowskiyes eye balls08:41
popeyyeah, I'm sure it looked good if you were there, crappy for the thousands of people who were told to 'like' the nokia.uk fb page to watch the stream08:42
czajkowskiugh08:44
czajkowskithough after 7.5hrs in a&e anything with colours and no sound was nice08:48
freakyclown*sighs* </3 ubuntu any more :(08:48
czajkowskifreakyclown any reason why ?08:49
AlanBelldon't think I have ever liked any company page on facebook08:49
AlanBellbut I can't find a list of pages I have liked anywhere in the UI08:50
freakyclownthe constant "gifts" it surprises me with almost on a daily basis08:50
freakyclowntodays present is to boot up with cpu fan on full power blowing out cold air08:51
czajkowskihmm08:52
AlanBellfreakyclown: done the lmsensors thing?08:57
AlanBellczajkowski 7.5 hours in A&E is a bit excessive, you might want to think about cutting back on that habbit08:58
czajkowskialanbell checking for a dvt so waiting for blood tests twice as first time didnt draw enough blood08:59
czajkowskithrn a doppler scan09:00
freakyclownAlanBell: yeah but pwmconfig says there are no compatible sensors :/09:00
MartijnVdShttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/29/marmite-spill-m109:00
AlanBell"Marmite lorry spill causes jam" is that the best they can do with that!09:01
AlanBellerk, that sounds nasty czajkowski :(09:03
MartijnVdSAlanBell: you want them to go "a few miles yeast of Sheffield"?09:04
gord"We are writing to inform you that your Google Checkout account will now be part of Google Wallet." what?09:05
MartijnVdSgord: It's not a hard sentence to parse really09:05
MooDoomorning all09:05
MooDoogord: it changed the other day :S09:06
gordmy issue is more, aren't they the same thing?09:06
MartijnVdSgord: they are now ;)09:08
freakyclown\o/ ubuntu is the new windows - reboot fixed the fan issue09:08
AlanBell\o/09:12
MooDoo:)09:13
wintellectMornin all09:13
MartijnVdS\o09:16
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:22
MooDoomorning09:25
MooDooany photographers here used this - http://entangle-photo.org/09:25
gordonjcpMooDoo: no, but it looks cool09:25
MooDooyeah think i'm going to try building it tonight09:25
gordonjcpI'll point it out to Carolyne next time she's over09:25
bigcalmOh, thought you two lived together09:26
gordonjcpwe did until about six weeks ago ;-)09:26
bigcalmFair enough09:27
nigelbAlanBell: The millback video looks nice :)09:35
MooDoonigelb: link?09:39
nigelbhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/8922159/Londons-Millbank-tower-collapses-in-spectacular-light-show.html09:40
MooDooDead Mouse Gig :)09:44
MooDooor deadmau5 :)09:45
MooDoovery good09:45
JamesTaitGelukkig Dinsdag! :)09:48
MooDooJamesTait: bless you :)09:53
MartijnVdSJamesTait: jij ook :)09:53
ujjainAlanBell: thanks! :)09:54
JamesTaitMooDoo: :-P09:58
JamesTaitMartijnVdS: Dankie. :)09:58
MooDoo:D10:00
gordwell, google/youtube is clever. i put in the Japanese wording for "spice" (apparently スパイス) to find a specific track i wanted to hear. it gave me music video results for the spice girls and that old spice man10:05
dogmatic69lol10:06
dogmatic69the internets are too smart for your tricks :P10:07
MartijnVdSOld Spice Girls?10:17
MartijnVdSare they back together?10:17
MooDooMartijnVdS: god i hope now :D10:20
MartijnVdSMooDoo: NOW?10:20
MooDoos/now/not/g10:20
MooDoo:)10:20
MartijnVdSFreudian typo10:20
diploMorning all10:44
MooDoomorning diplo10:44
diploOn train to nottingham, don't like traveling without me driving10:45
diplo:'(10:45
dwatkinsI much prefer taking the train, although that's partly because most of my long journeys are the order of 450 miles.10:46
Laneynotts eh?10:47
Laneywhat you doing here?10:47
dwatkinsI suspect my other half just bought me a Kindle for christmas, which will be nice to use on the train.10:47
diplo4 1/210:47
dwatkins4.5 hours, diplo?10:48
diploHours for me10:48
MooDoodiplo: what you doing in mine and Laney 's town?10:48
dwatkinsyeah, I got bored of driving after several 8-hour trips.10:48
diploHeh phone itch, getting used to it10:48
diploIrc*10:48
MooDoodiplo: you're names not on the list you're not coming in ;)10:49
diploHeadoffice is there, meetings etc, Xmas do on Friday, so up all week10:49
MooDoodiplo: wheres you're head office?  which part of notts?10:50
Laneycome climbing with me tonight!10:50
MooDooLaney: indoor climbing wall?10:50
diploI expect I will be forced out on the beer tonight10:50
Laneyyep10:50
MooDoonot been there since it was moved from sherwood10:51
Laneyheh, that was a while ago now10:51
MooDooLaney: yeah10:52
diploAnything good on in notts this week?10:52
MooDoodiplo: stabbings, shootings i reckon ;)10:53
Laneyclimbing /competition/ on friday!10:53
diploHeh10:53
Laneyer er er10:53
Laneyforest vs leeds tonight ^o)10:53
MooDoodiplo: stick to the pubs, youll be fine :D10:54
diploHow many more times does this train need to stop!10:54
diploAny uni things on?10:54
Laneyapparently there are 'christmas street activities' happening tomorrow10:55
Laneyyou could go gawp at the occupiers10:55
MooDoolike i said, stick to the pubs lol10:56
diploCool, right in town so will take a look10:56
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:59
davmor2morning all you funky people and czajkowski11:03
* czajkowski peers at davmor2 11:04
davmor2czajkowski: what just sayin'11:05
MooDoodavmor2: morning, and i'll think you'll find czajkowski is as beautiful as the morning sun, warm and a pleasure to behold :D11:05
* diplo pukes over moodoo11:07
MooDoodiplo: pah!11:07
czajkowskiMooDoo: really even that made me gag a bit11:07
diplo:)11:07
* MooDoo reminds himself to be nice a little less sucky next time11:08
diploHeh11:08
diploNearly at gloucester, food stop \0/11:08
* Laney just bought a movember moustache shaped cake11:10
czajkowskiLaney: so wrong!11:12
czajkowskibut I still want to see a pic11:12
* MooDoo is tempted to wait at the trainstation with a sign for diplo and take him to st anns and leave him there11:12
MooDooi'm nice that way :D11:12
diploDon't know St anns but guessing not a nice place11:13
MooDoodiplo: correct :D  yes i'm such a <subversion alternative> :D11:13
Laneymeh, i know people who live there11:14
Laneyit's not that bad11:14
diploNeed a lift to colwick if your offering though11:14
MooDoodiplo: if i was in the car i would of as it's on my way home alas i'm not11:14
Laneyczajkowski: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/moooooooooovember.jpg11:16
MooDoohehe11:16
diploHeh, nah got to call for a lift when I'm just outside notts, taxi service all week, odd not having a car11:16
Laneycolwick... virgin media?11:16
MooDoodiplo: okey cokey11:16
MooDooor insphire or one of about 10 that's around there11:17
czajkowskiLaney: hahhah brilliant11:17
Laney:>11:17
Laneythat'll go well with me lunch11:17
diploNah, company called agathos, Brunswick trading estate I think11:20
MooDooah i know where it is11:22
MooDooepos and stugg11:22
MooDoostuff11:22
diploYeah11:24
=== mrevell_ is now known as mrevell
davmor2bigcalm: Mr evil in the room ;)12:30
bigcalmIt's a bit mean to call him that!12:32
MooDooi'm not evil :p12:33
davmor2bigcalm: I can't see mrevells nick now without thinking it you are to blame sir tis your fault ;)12:34
davmor2MooDoo: no not you this time ;)12:34
bigcalmBwuhahaha12:35
MooDoodavmor2: awwwww :(12:37
awilkinsHow do you go back to nouveau from the nvidia drivers?12:39
awilkinsMy system is not stable and I think it's the graphics drivers - they seem to put the card in a bad state, you reboot to windows, when it tries to render aero elements, it crashes and reboots12:39
awilkinsAlthough booting Windows up twice then seems to reinitialize the card and stabilise the system12:40
awilkinsUntil the next time...12:40
popeypower down rather than reboot?12:41
popeyand to switch back I'd remove nvidia-current and ditch your xorg.conf12:41
popeyshould auto-use nouveau12:41
awilkinspopey, You'd think that would help - I even powered down, then cut the PSU cord, then went for a 40 minute run12:41
awilkinspopey, But I came back and the system locks again within minutes12:41
awilkinsWindows will run the likes of Skyrim stable for hours, so I don't think it's a hardware issue ; Natty was always stable on this hardware12:42
awilkinsIt does seem to coincide with notifiers fading as well - often locks with a notifier visible12:42
oimonwhat is the card model awilkins?12:43
awilkinsoimon, It's a 560Ti12:43
popeyawilkins: both 64-bit OS's ?12:43
awilkinspopey, Vista is 32-bit12:43
awilkinsI get memory style graphic corruption on Vistas login screen (temporary). The weirdest was that something triggered by key inputs were being written to the same memory area as the framebuffer in LightDM - so the corruption would advance across the screen as you typed your password12:45
awilkinsHave tried both standard and x-swat PPA components12:45
awilkinsHence the desire to try nouveau for a while12:45
awilkinsI did try Unity2D for a while as well but that didn't improve matters12:46
awilkinsSo presumably not an OpenGL thing per-se12:46
awilkinsRighto, here goes nouveau12:48
oimoni wonder if there is a memtest for graphics cards12:51
popeyyou know opengl is switched on even in unity2d?12:51
popeycompositing rather12:51
directhexdefinitely hw failure12:52
oimonhe's gone12:52
AlanBell!ping12:53
lubotu3`another contentless ping... sigh...12:53
czajkowskihttp://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=UX21E-KX004V12:54
czajkowskidoes look nice12:54
AlanBellis google dns down or something?12:54
AlanBellcan't get to 8.8.8.812:54
Laneyyes12:54
Laneyi have just found that12:55
AlanBellteh internetz is broken12:55
dogmatic69AlanBell: great, that is why my internet is dead :/12:55
AlanBellerk12:55
AlanBellsomeone got an alternative suggestion?12:55
dogmatic69your isp's12:55
awilkinsHmm. Unity 2D - distinctly less whizzy12:56
* AlanBell wonders what the ISP DNS settings are12:56
MooDooexplains why my google talk account has terminated12:56
awilkinsOn the other hand, not crashed yet12:56
popey12:51:18 < popey> you know opengl is switched on even in unity2d?12:56
popey12:51:24 < popey> compositing rather12:56
DJonesAlanBell: opendns?12:56
popeyyou might want to turn that off awilkins12:56
AlanBellDJones: yeah, know it's IP address?12:56
AlanBellI would google for it . . . but12:57
oimonWOW...can't get to google12:57
DJonesAlanBell: Not sure12:57
awilkinspopey, I'll try nouveau for a bit and see whether that improves matters - it's going to have to be for a week, probably - the instability is not predictable and I can have whole days without a problem.12:57
oimonOPEN DNS servers (208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220)12:57
awilkinspopey, It might be interesting to reboot to Vista and see if the same crashing occurs12:58
DJoneshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS12:58
DJonesBut google seems back up now12:58
popeyawilkins: i use nouveau on my mbp12:58
popeybecause the nvidia-binary driver doesn't support efi ☹12:58
oimon host www.google.com 8.8.8.8 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached12:58
popeywfm12:58
popeywww.google.com          CNAME   www.l.google.com12:59
* AlanBell reboots router and gets plusnet dns settings12:59
DJonesSeems to be on & off12:59
shaunotimes out here; ditto 8.8.4.412:59
popeyhaha, then....12:59
popeyNameserver google-public-dns-a.google.com not responding12:59
popeywww.l.google.com A record not found at google-public-dns-a.google.com, try again12:59
oimontraceroute failing12:59
dogmatic69173.194.67.14712:59
AlanBellopendns13:00
* Mez chuckles13:00
Mezsomeone else noticed it too ?13:00
Laneyoh google13:01
oimonshouldn't you all use your own ISP DNS as the secondary ?13:01
AlanBelloimon: that is a very good idea13:01
oimontwitter is overcapacity too.. might be something going on13:01
awilkinsI just use my ISP DSN for both - what's the beef with using someone elses?13:01
popeytertiary ☺13:01
AlanBellI had 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.9 as secondary13:01
oimonawilkins: some are crap and keep changing IP address too13:02
dogmatic69i thought it was 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.413:02
popeyit is13:02
AlanBellwell no wonder it failed13:02
Mezdidn't level 3 have a weird DNS server13:02
Mezlike 4.4.4.4 or something13:02
popey4.2.2.113:03
popeyand 4.2.2.213:03
oimon1.3.3.7 would be better :)13:03
popeyheh13:03
oimontwitter.com is down13:03
Mez4.2.2.2 XD13:03
oimonand a million hipsters cried out at once13:03
AlanBelloimon: works for me13:03
oimonAlanBell: uppy downy like the google13:03
AlanBellooh they depend on it!13:04
oimonthe fail whale says it is over capcity13:04
andylockrancyber attack?13:04
chrisjrobdo people trust google DNS?  I don't think I'm over paranoid, but really, don't they have enough information on us already?13:04
MartijnVdSTime for dnssec13:04
dogmatic69chrisjrob: whats a little more?13:04
chrisjrobthere is that i suppose13:05
oimontime for luinch13:05
dogmatic69its back up \o/13:06
AlanBelltoo late, they lost me13:06
dogmatic69:/13:07
Mezyeah - who's on opendns now?13:07
AlanBellI might put google back as a secondary at some point when I feel like rebooting my router again13:07
dogmatic69lazy at its finest http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/arduino-controlled-lego-cd-duplicator.html13:08
gordgrr, i want to go out to lunch but i'm expecting a delivery. i know the second i leave my neighbourhood they will deliver it13:12
dwatkinsand this is why we need GPS locators on all tracked packages13:14
andylockran:D13:16
awilkinsDisabling compositing makes Unity2D exhibit a few lovely quirks like not redrawing selected bits.13:17
gordaand it arrived, complaining *always* works!13:17
andylockran:D13:18
awilkinsAlso, why does the bottom-right drag handle in LibreOffice Calc actually summon a menu when you grab it....13:18
awilkinsgord, It's like needing a cardboard cutout of a developer13:19
awilkinsgord, Explaining your problem to someone always induces your brain to solve it13:19
gordawilkins, i was inducing sod's law more than anything else i think ;)13:20
gordif i need to get someone to reply to me on irc i typically just go and make a cup of tea. sods law always intervenes to make them respond when i am afk13:21
dwatkinsimagine the possibilities13:24
dwatkinstea could be the next motivational tool... oh wait13:25
oimonpopey: did you ever get your eee transformer or were you swindled?13:25
funkyHatOoh... I am interested in finding out from someone with an eee pad transformer whether it's possible to install debian/ubuntu userland on top of android like it was with older versions of android13:26
funkyHat(and I do mean installed at the same time as android, not replacing android, I just want vim, git and a few other bits)13:27
Laneybah13:30
Laneywhen's this google plus migrator coming?13:30
MartijnVdSPlus migrator?13:30
Laneyswitching accounts makes me fury hulk smash13:31
Laneyto go to an apps account13:31
oimonhttp://slashdot.org/story/11/11/29/0232205/europes-largest-it-company-to-ban-internal-email13:31
oimonLOL13:31
MartijnVdSI didn't use plus much when it didn't work with my Apps account13:31
shaunooimon, sometimes I wish we could really do that.  I've been having fun trying to teach my spam filters to junk the majority of my internal mail13:33
oimonhowever, it's a PHB idea from someone who likes high level meetings and doesn't do detail13:34
dwatkinsoimon: they should use jabber13:34
shaunoHere's a great example.  the last emailed I received was "Subject: Christmas Party 2011- ON SALE-LAST DAY TODAY- Please Read - Do not delete :-)"13:36
shaunoit's difficult to explain the issues I have with such spam without triggering !ohmy  :/13:36
dwatkinsI know the feeling, shauno13:36
oimonso who's thinking of retraining as a comp sci teacher now that they will reform CS in the national curriculum13:36
dwatkinsWe tend to use jabber internally for discussing things, and there are occasional e-mails like that.13:37
dwatkinsoimon: they are?13:37
DJonesoimon: Does it involve working with children? No thanks....13:37
dwatkinsyou mean this, oimon? http://teachcomputing.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/the-new-bbc-micro-project/13:37
shaunoI do a lot of work via email, because we're across fairly disparate timezones.  Which also means I like to be notified of replies.  But I don't like being interupted by .. ugh.13:38
dwatkinsah yes, this was on the BBC too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1592311313:38
dwatkinsa friend of mine is an ICT teacher, he tells me the first thing they need to do is allocate more than a single lesson a week to it13:39
oimonhttp://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/regulation/2011/11/28/government-lukewarm-on-it-education-review-40094523/13:39
oimoncontains the pdf with recommendations13:39
oimonthey are distinguishing between ict and CS13:39
oimonand recognise they need to attract talented CS teachers13:39
oimonand putting CS on the new curriculum at the expense of ICT13:41
awilkinsI related to the headlines - I would *really* have like to take CS instead of Latin at school13:41
oimoni would like to teach it too13:42
awilkinsThe Latin teacher used to get really peed off with me because I'd fail his tests, then ace them outside the teachers common room after lunch13:42
awilkinsPersonally I just think it was because it revealed to him the pointlessness of his subject13:42
czajkowskiAlanBell: you're missing from surrey13:43
dwatkinsI did Latin at school, never understood the point of it.13:43
dwatkinsheh, that yacy.net site publicised on the BBC technology page is completely unresponsive now.13:44
oimonwas it compulsory?13:44
dwatkinsoimon: yes13:44
oimoni learned russian instead. thought it wouldn't be useful. now london seems to have more russian speakers than english speakers13:45
dwatkinsI learned French and German, and was very glad when it led to employment opportunities I otherwise wouldn't have had.13:45
* awilkins tries to get Unity3D working on nouveau13:47
oimonwhat do you do if someone asks you to endorse them on linkedin (and you don't want to)? ingore it or tell them?13:51
MartijnVdSoimon: yes.13:51
MartijnVdSoimon: depends on how much you want them to like you13:51
dogmatic69oimon: depends if its an employment agent or not13:51
diploIgnore13:51
oimonif they were a bad hire13:52
oimonit's compassion vs integrity13:52
dogmatic69ignore others, and tell the agents to f--- off13:52
oimonjust received a call from an agent regarding a role that is not public yet...hmmm13:54
diploRah, at long last pulling into nottingham13:57
Laneytook yer time13:58
diplo Heh13:58
diploNeed to stretch these legs!13:59
MooDoooimon: don't worry, i've already sent in my CV too ;)13:59
MooDoooimon: it's the one for tea boy right :)14:01
* oimon doesn't drink tea14:01
oimontbh i don't even know what role they were phoning about as i pretty much hung up on them14:02
davmor2MooDoo: if there is one thing that the boston tea party taught us it should be that tea doesn't make great bouys14:02
MooDoodavmor2: lol i was just teasing oimon about his role that's not public yet14:03
davmor2MooDoo: I know, I was just playing with the word Boy :P14:04
MooDoodavmor2: i know ;)  just not into boys unlike your good self *snigger*14:04
oimonfnar fnar14:05
davmor2MooDoo: instantrimshot.com14:05
MooDoo:D14:05
MooDoobadum tish "i thank you"14:06
oimonrim ewww14:06
MooDoook ok enough now :D14:06
davmor2oimon: what, it's a button like sadtrombone.com but plays bad dum tish14:07
awilkinsThe only time an agent contacted me on LinkedIn, it was for consultancy in Qatar14:07
awilkinsThe rate was tempting. But the wifelet would NOT have approved.14:07
oimonthroat sweets usually help14:07
awilkinsinstantrimshot.com14:08
directhexinstant rim what?14:08
MartijnVdSdirecthex: job.14:08
awilkinsAnd yes, I thought the same about that the first hundred or so times I saw it.14:08
davmor2MartijnVdS: NOOOO!!!! you're a bad bad man!14:09
awilkinsThen one day I wasn't at work and visited it. It was boring. But it still sounds disgusting to me.14:09
MartijnVdSdavmor2: what? people don't want to work for the people who make Blackberry?14:09
MartijnVdSdavmor2: >:)14:09
oimondirecthex: are you using CM7 on your touchpad?14:09
cliftontsHi all, who fancies a challenge today?14:09
davmor2MartijnVdS: No14:09
davmor2run everyone run and save yourself14:10
MartijnVdSCtrl+S14:10
directhexoimon, no. i'd consider trying cm8 in the future, but using a crap phone os on a nice tablet seems backwards14:10
oimonCM9?14:10
MooDoocm9 out?14:10
MartijnVdSCM32874298414:11
oimonon nexus s apparentlu14:11
MooDoothat was quick14:11
awilkinsinstalling libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental has not magically enabled Unity 2D on nouveau14:11
awilkinsHo hum.14:11
awilkinss/2D/3D/14:11
oimongetting a bit miffed with buggy TP/webos apps14:11
oimonand getting android envy14:11
* MartijnVdS is still happy with 4.0.1 on the Galaxy Nexus14:12
cliftontsmy 11.10 install has begun shutting down suddenly whenever I try to add my music collection to a player, either banshee or rhythmbox. Any ideas?14:12
MooDoooimon: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/mpn5w/w000t_cm9_for_nexus_s_is_here/14:12
MartijnVdSthe RFID/NFC reader is cool :)14:12
directhexoimon, cm9 then. whichever one the tablet version of android is14:12
oimonyes ..9 ..hopefully coming early 201214:12
oimonto TP14:13
directhexalthough multitasking on android is still lolleriffic14:13
davmor2cliftonts: run top in a terminal then try again it maybe that you are overloading the CPU temp and it's shutting down due to the db update if top says it is maxing out the cpu it's a good chance14:13
oimonas is MT on TP14:13
oimonapps only suspend14:13
cliftontsgood idea davmor, brb after another shutdown then!14:13
oimoncliftonts: also tail -f /var/log/syslog14:14
directhexandroid multitasking is non-deterministic nonsense14:14
cliftontsactually no. I have 2 folders with music in, it's only the one, always the same one that causes the shutdown14:14
cliftontsrhythmbox-metad[2110]: segfault at 0 ip 0028ab61 sp bfcc9cf0 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.3000.0[256000+4d000]14:15
cliftontsAptDaemon: INFO: Quitting due to inactivity14:15
cliftontsAptDaemon: INFO: Quitting was requested14:16
cliftontslots of those in the log14:16
awilkinsSounds like it might be down to mangled metadata in one of your music files14:17
cliftontsnow that sounds like hell to track down14:17
oimoncliftonts: do you have samba on that system?14:17
cliftontsprobably not omion, why?14:17
oimoncheck...14:17
oimonlook for14:17
oimondpkg --list | grep winbind14:18
cliftontsok, yes I do14:18
cliftontsapparently14:18
oimonseen some forum posts that say removing winbind fixes it :)14:19
cliftontsI have winbind but not samba14:19
oimoni'm just a bloke on the internet, reading something another bloke wrote. but might be worth a try :)14:20
cliftontslol isn't that how it's done omion?14:20
cliftontsok, shall we do this then?14:20
oimonexcept if i'm at work, then i back it up first14:20
cliftontsimporting now14:20
oimondrum roll...14:21
cliftontsthis could take some time...14:22
cliftontsI wonder what the hell samba has to do with mp3's14:23
oimonalso, is winbind still running a process?14:23
cliftontsno idea omion but I'm still here so make of that what you will14:24
oimonmaybe affects hostname lookups14:24
cliftontswhy would importing an mp3 need a hostname lookup?14:24
cliftonts10,000 songs done, 6,000 to go14:25
oimonit might check musicbrainz and UPNP , or samba mounts14:25
cliftontshmm, I suppose it's probably set to retrieve artwork14:25
MartijnVdSit needs to report to the copyright agencies14:26
oimoni find the cover manager in clementine music player unbeatable for cover art14:26
MartijnVdSso they can come around and sue you14:26
dwatkinsCan't you just show it the CD and have it read some unique identifier off the CD?14:26
MartijnVdSdwatkins: that's how musicbrainz works?14:26
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: ah ok14:27
cliftontshaha MartjnVdS14:27
MartijnVdSdwatkins: it calculates a disc id based on some properties of the TOC14:27
oimonlike when i uploaded a clip of my son dancing while a song was playing in the background, received an email stating that it contained a copyrighted song14:27
davmor2cliftonts: depends is the name c:\\my-music-drive?14:27
MartijnVdSdwatkins: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Disc_ID14:27
dwatkinsyeah, I thought I'd seen that kind of thing before with CDDB14:27
MartijnVdSdwatkins: yes but CDDB id's are not unique enouhg14:27
dwatkinsoh right14:28
cliftontsdavmor why would I have a windows drive assignment. You've lost me14:28
dwatkinsso can you bypass having to rip a CD by waving the CD's code in the direction of some application?14:28
oimonyes please dwatkins14:28
oimoncliftonts: how many songs left?14:29
davmor2Sometime I feel I've to......... run away, I've got to.........Get away..........14:29
cliftonts300014:29
oimonone bug with banshee/rhyhmbox was related to u1 music store and winbind14:30
oimonthat's been fixed allegedly14:30
oimonbug 73814014:30
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 529714 in eglibc (Ubuntu Precise) "duplicate for #738140 rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in _nss_wins_gethostbyname_r()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52971414:30
cliftontshmm well this has never happened to me before14:31
oimonif it works, then awilkins would say "cum hoc ergo propter hoc"14:32
* awilkins can't remember enough Latin to swear in14:33
dwatkins"Horatio in horto laborat" is the limit of my Latin.14:34
dwatkinsit's not even useful, as I don't know any gardeners called Horatio.14:34
cliftontsAnd just like that I'm gone!14:34
oimondied? or finished?14:34
cliftontsdied14:34
oimonraise a bug: too much latin in irc kills rhythmbox14:35
oimonyou could also disable plugins14:35
cliftontsor I could just throw my laptop out of the window14:36
oimonor use clementine ;)14:38
MooDoocliftonts: make sure i'm underneath when you do, i'm a great catcher14:38
cliftontsMooDoo, is it worth the effort for a half cooked HP TX1000 with no keyboard and a broken USB port?14:39
MooDoocliftonts: maybe not then, got any macbook pro's?14:39
MooDoolol14:39
cliftontsI had an acer but so did one of my customers so I butchered it for parts14:40
cliftontsI've got a P1 IBM thinkpad you can have lol14:40
monsterwizard:o14:41
monsterwizardi'd buy it14:41
monsterwizard1,000 Yen ?14:41
cliftontsIt will only run damn small linux and won't access the net at all14:41
cliftontsany good to you?14:41
cliftontsI use it every day, it's perfect for stopping the HP from burning my legs as the graphics chipset slowly cooks the processor!14:44
oimonmy son keeps talking in a growly voice..i wonder if it's normal?14:44
cliftontsBy the way I'm inporting my music sub-folders one by one to see where the problem is14:45
cliftontshow old is he?14:45
oimonalmost 214:45
oimonit's quite funny14:45
cliftontsI was going to say perfectly normal for a teenager but that would be one early puberty! lol14:45
MooDoooimon: yeah my son did that :D lol14:45
oimonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmlxs-aaXm0&feature=youtu.be14:45
oimonhe recognises letters of the alphabet already14:47
MartijnVdSoimon: cyrillic or latin alphabet?14:47
oimonwe're starting with latin :)14:48
MooDoomy son was playing tuxpaint last night, he loved it14:48
MartijnVdSMooDoo: he's like 2 months right?14:48
DJonesoimon: Has he been listening to Louis Armstong singing Its a wonderful world?14:48
oimonDJones: lol14:48
MooDooMartijnVdS: no son is 3, daughter is 2 months14:48
MartijnVdSMooDoo: ETOOMANYKIDS ;)14:53
cliftontsGot it14:55
MooDooMartijnVdS: they are lovely, the issue is TOO SMALL HOUSE lol14:55
MartijnVdSMooDoo: :)14:55
cliftontsThe music is divided into sub-folders by alphabet, the problem is in V14:56
DJonescliftonts: That'll be your Village People collection :)14:57
cliftontslol well I used to be a dj so its in there14:58
DJones:)14:58
DJonesI've got a backup of my uncles mp3 collection in case he ever loses/breaks his laptop when he's running a disco etc, I'm sure in the 400Gb of that, there must be many worse things than Village People15:00
MooDooitsy teeny weeny yellow polka.......15:00
cliftontsOMG!15:00
DJonesI know thats there15:00
DJonesIts near the Agadoo track15:00
MooDoopush pineapple shake the tree :D15:00
DJonesOn that note, /me  grinds coffee & puts the kettle on15:02
daubersMooDoo: That was one of my first records (Timmy Mallet)15:03
MooDoolo15:04
MooDoolmy first ever LP was Ghost Busters and my first ever CD was New Order - Technique :D15:04
daubersWonder if it's on spotify15:05
MartijnVdSyou're OLD :P15:05
MooDooMartijnVdS: i al :D15:05
MooDooam15:05
directhexi never owned vinyl15:19
directhexmy first tape was... man, i don't remember at all15:19
MooDoomy first ever tape was "airwolf for the spectrum" lol15:20
directhexi remember playing a queen greatest hits tape a lot, but i think that was my dad's15:21
directhexfirst cd i bought was probably the first garbage album15:21
MooDoodirecthex: oh god, blank covered one?15:21
directhexhm?15:21
MooDoodirecthex: black sorry15:21
directhexMooDoo, the queen tape? yeah15:21
MooDoodirecthex: gulp, i bought that first time round too15:22
cliftontsget this guys15:25
cliftontsI just had a call from a DJing agency15:25
cliftontsthey want me to do a christmas party from 7pm to 3:30am15:25
cliftontsouch!15:25
MooDooouch15:26
MooDooi hope it's well paid15:26
cliftontsand it's 80 miles away from home so we're looking at 4pm leave, 6:30am get back home15:26
MooDooouch15:27
MooDoosacrifices you have to make eh!15:27
cliftontswell, I have an allergy to turning down money15:27
directhexloadsamoney?15:27
directhexfill your set with an alternation between baroque classical, and chiptunes versions of aphex twin15:28
cliftontssounds fantastic15:28
cliftontshowever I think I'll stick to the same old crap, they seem to like it15:29
cliftontsanyway, I must dash. there's far too much on my to do list.15:30
cliftontsbye15:30
directhexiiiiiiiiiiii want your soooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuullllllllllllll *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep*15:31
directhexit'd be great15:31
Laneyoh god15:31
awilkinsHave discovered why Unity 2D has compositing enabled by default ; it sucks worse without it15:31
Laneythe lights just broke in the office15:32
* Laney festers in the gloom15:32
awilkins I like it when there's a power cut in the office.15:32
awilkinsThe aircon goes off, don't have the constant white noise15:32
MooDoodrives me nuts here too15:35
Laneymy office mate paid me a quid to phone up the helpdesk15:35
awilkins"Have you tried turning them off, then on again?"15:39
Laneythey want to reboot the system15:46
Laneybut not now because it controls all of the lights on the floor and they think it might not turn on15:46
Laney=> darkness for the rest of the day15:47
MooDooLaney: i believe in a thing called love....ooooogh   ...  oh wrong darkness15:47
oimoni find working in darkness except for the light of LCD screens to be relaxing15:56
DJonesI find that give me eye strain16:01
bigcalm!ping16:03
lubotu3`another contentless ping... sigh...16:03
DJonesYou're still here bigcalm16:04
bigcalmThen I blame VM for being pants16:05
DJonesbigcalm: VM letting you stay conencted bad?16:07
bigcalmDNS is pantsed16:07
bigcalmOh poo16:08
DJonesgoogle dns was a bit dodgy earlier16:08
bigcalmI'd left a VPN connection going16:08
bigcalmThat's what was causing everything take ages to load16:08
awilkinsbigcalm, Change the routes on the VPN connection?16:09
bigcalmJust killed the VPN connection. Only needed it to upload 1 file to a client16:12
oimonapparently there's a strike or something tomorrow - will it affect much?16:26
MooDooanything public services related i think16:28
MooDooschools, hospitals etc16:28
gordcan i strike? y'know, to play zelda16:28
bigcalmGF is on holiday all week, she's not sure if she would or wouldn't have taken part tomorrow though16:30
MooDoopeople in hospitals or ambulance drivers shouldn't and if they do shame on them.16:31
* daubers has never agreed with strikes16:38
oimonapparently i have to be in a union if i want to strike16:39
oimonnot that i want to, but it's a bit silly that you have to pay to be a member of a strike club16:39
oimonin the olden days, unions paid the strikers wages..not any more16:40
daubersIt's just a trumpted up way of throwing your toys out the pram16:40
MooDoodaubers: me neither.16:41
MooDoosack them and get people in who what to do the job16:41
oimoni had a row with someone today for putting up strike posters16:41
daubersThere's enough people struggling to find work as it is at the moment, throwing your toys around because you think life sucks won't help anything16:42
daubersif it was me running the company I'd liquidate it, start a new company and rehire the people who didn't strike16:42
daubersI was really behing the Quantas guy when he grounded all the flights when his workers threatened to strike16:43
oimontube drivers are the worst though16:43
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daubersI'd automate the tube and sack the lot of them16:43
oimonthe strength of their union has meant that the wages are completely disproportionate16:44
shaunoIt's an odd one.  I think it's something which should exist, but should not be exercised anywhere near this frequently16:45
shaunoit should be a last resort, not a bargaining chip16:45
oimonguess how much it costs me to join the union?16:46
directhexdisproportionate compared to what?16:46
oimonIT staff, lorry drivers, bus drivers, normal people16:48
shaunoisn't the DLR automated?  So we have the power, ca'n ..16:48
oimonnurses, teachers16:48
oimonUnions have secured a four-year deal which could see train drivers take home a total of £52,300 a year by 2015, an increase of £10,00016:49
MooDoohow much?   bloody hell16:49
oimondouble the national average wage16:49
oimonthat's what happens when you give in to the unions repeatedly16:50
oimonjust been told that team members of mine are striking16:51
oimonso muggins will be on his own tomorrow16:51
Seeker`the thing is, the public sector kept on getting pay rises while a lot of the private sector workers had pay freezes16:51
directhexdoes that mean they're overpaid, or that others are underpaid?16:51
oimondirecthex: tube drivers are ridiculously overpaid16:52
directhexmy sister in law's fiancee gets paid more than me as an assistant manager at tesco. i have a degree and 6 years' sysadmin experience16:52
gordtbh, you would have to pay me a lot to be in those tubes all day16:52
daubersgord: You might then be able to afford the ticket prices :p16:55
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geekMePleaseHas anyone succeeded in installing Ubuntu from Firewire disk that is by booting from Firewire and then installing?18:27
geekMePleaseMy usb-memory gets corrupted when I have tried to install Ubuntu from USB stick: new SSD drive with old x60 designed to usb2 with usb3 -memory stick18:28
geekMePlease* same problem with usb2 -memory stick18:28
geekMePlease* did the thing now for 7 different usb sticks18:29
geekMePlease* seems that the problem is that the temperature gets too high which corrupts the data in the drive so stopping the installation18:29
geekMePlease*s/drive/memory of the usb stick/18:30
geekMePlease* x60 is not designed for SSD -drives18:30
DaraelIs there a USB hub available?  That or a USB extension lead ought to prevent the overheat.18:30
DaraelMy understanding is that firewire ought to work also.18:31
geekMePleaseDarael: Yes, I need to get one such hub that converts the speed to USB218:31
geekMePlease* s/USB2/USB1/18:31
geekMePleaseWill also try the firewire installation to do things right18:32
DaraelFailing either of these methods, one could use the USB Creator with mini.iso, boot that, and remove the USB key after providing a wired network connection.18:33
DaraelUnetbootin would work just as well with mini.iso if need be.18:34
DaraelThe minimal CD image downloads everything except a minimal installer from the network, y'see, so once it's in memory problems with the media ought not to be a problem.18:34
geekMePleaseDarael: Thank you for pointing out that!18:36
geekMePleaseDarael: I will try the mini iso now.18:36
geekMePlease* "Make Startup up disk" -program not accepting my mini.iso -image. How to make a starup disk with the given iso?18:40
geekMePlease* should I mount the image before? - In my opinion, no18:41
geekMePleaseok, will read the manuals now thoroughly18:41
geekMePleaseIs there any iso -image burner to usb -stick for Ubuntu?18:44
geekMePlease* the manuals do not discuss the case18:44
geekMePlease* seems to correct answer here for 7.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=90951218:45
popeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBpYwuk1Uw18:46
DaraelgeekMePlease: Putting an ISO on a USB-stick can be achieved with the USB Creator, if it's an Ubuntu image (this utility is preinstalled) or with UNetbootin (for pretty much any /other/ distro)18:49
davmor2popey: hahahahaha NICE!18:50
Daraelpopey: I second the opinion of davmor2.18:53
geekMePleaseDarael: USB Creator does not regognize my iso -image when trying to create the thing.18:54
DaraelgeekMePlease: Unetbootin will do the trick, then.  It was in the repositories, last time I checked.18:54
AlanBellpopey: wow!18:55
geekMePleaseDarael: Thank you! Unetbootin working.18:57
czajkowskipopey: briilliant19:01
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czajkowskiI'd swear they're flashing purple tonight in millbank19:10
matticzajkowski: ?19:14
davmor2czajkowski: what drugs are you taking I want some :P19:14
czajkowskithere is a line going around one level of millbank in purple19:15
* AlanBell wonders what exactly that would do to davmor2 19:15
davmor2AlanBell: possibly make me sane I don't which is more worrying ;)19:15
mattiMillbank?19:15
davmor2could me19:15
davmor2be19:15
AlanBellmatti: millbank tower in London, where canonical HQ is19:16
davmor2matti: Millbank Tower home of canonical19:16
mattiAh.19:16
shaunoI thought their home was on the isle of mann? or am I out of date19:16
mattiThere is a Tower in Cabary Wharf19:17
popeyhome is where the office is19:17
davmor2shauno: Well out of date19:17
mattiWhich has sifferent colours too19:17
popeywe have offices all over the place, HQ is considered London19:17
mattiAs a line on it19:17
czajkowskithere is a purple band though of light19:17
czajkowskiso if someone is in milbank it looks really pretty from the distance19:18
AlanBellmatti: no, not there, way upstream19:18
diploevening all19:19
diploLaney / MooDoo : My guide for the evening has cancelled on me, can you recommend a good place for food / drink in centre of town ?19:19
matti;)19:19
mattiAlanBell: ;(19:20
mattiOps.19:20
mattiAlanBell: ;)19:20
mattiI fail on touch acreens.19:20
matti;)19:20
AlanBellin other news, one last place for the christmas meal still19:20
AlanBellI will contact the venue and give up the place soon if nobody wants it19:20
AlanBellhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/19:21
diploReally debated coming, just not sure I can warrant the costs to get there :/19:21
geekMePleaseI have an apparent overheating problem in installing ubuntu, since I get input/output error in installing the drive to OCZ 3 Agility SSD19:45
geekMePlease* the data should not get corrupted in my USB stick anymore, since I am using Ubuntu mini iso19:45
geekMePleaseIs there any way to install ubuntu with lower speeds such that my system does not heat up19:46
geekMePleaseok, will look for cooling pads in DX19:47
AlanBell2 tooth fairy visits tonight19:59
AlanBellintense debate on whether one fairy can do a double visit or whether two separate faries would be required20:00
czajkowskiawww20:01
davmor2AlanBell: just point out there is only one tooth fairy hence the name ;)20:02
shaunofor "lifting capacity of a fairy", wolfram alpha offers a scrabble score of 17.  The internet fails me this time.20:02
AlanBellthey have established that pound coins weigh more than teeth, so the payload on the outbound trip is the important factor20:03
shaunooh even worse, it's only scored the word 'capacity'.  *shakes fist*20:03
DJonesAlanBell: Austerity measures, its not £1 coins now, only 5p's20:03
AlanBellDJones: and in this globalised economy we have to be mindful of the competitive impact of overseas fairies20:05
davmor2DJones: you know kids can kill quicker than predators in the wild right ;)20:05
shaunoso outsourced fairies delivering rupees?20:05
shaunohm, my googling is quickly leading me to comparisons of african vs european swallows.  I think I'll admit defeat on this one20:07
AlanBellshauno: did you find out the airspeed of an unladen fairy?20:11
daubersafrican or european?20:11
DavieyAlanBell: max or efficient airspeed?20:16
AlanBellflat out20:26
czajkowskiDaviey: something up with the uk etherpad?20:27
Davieyczajkowski: ah yes20:29
Davieyczajkowski: should be back20:31
czajkowskithank you20:31
MarquessDeBonBonPolski?20:31
DavieyAlanBell: then just read the label that states VNE = foo :)20:31
ikoniawould one of you UK users try to hit this site and click the calander app, does it pop up (any browser is a fine test)21:25
ikoniahttp://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/#21:25
ikoniatrying to book some tickets and change the date with the calander application21:26
czajkowskiikonia: works fine in ff no problem21:26
czajkowskiikonia: works fine in chrome also21:27
ikoniahow odd, thank you21:29
czajkowskinp21:30
czajkowskiAlanBell: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/UK-government-announces-open-data-initiative-1387087.html21:55
AzelphurMy parents TV broke, they sent it back and it got lost in the post so they got a full cash refund on the original price for the ~2 year old telly, win :D22:11
jacobwexcellent :)22:21
AlanBellnight all o/23:50
Laneyoh forest, oh dear dear dear forest23:51

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