[07:09] I have less/fewer nukes than you. (Which is right?) [07:38] ujjain: fewer [07:38] morning all [07:46] morning [07:46] the sun supposedly rose a bit ago....not that you can tell today [07:47] not gonna be a good day for us SAD suffers :( [08:20] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/8922159/Londons-Millbank-tower-collapses-in-spectacular-light-show.html [08:25] not as good as some of the other building projections [08:25] and the streaming failed completely [08:26] loads of people complaining on the nokia facebook page [08:26] even people there complained it only lasted 10 minutes and the audio sync was out [08:27] looked like there was far too much just projecting video onto it [08:27] might as well not have been a building [08:33] http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ [08:33] wonder what technology it uses [08:35] the British Library is a strong Microsofy lobbyist [08:39] morning [08:40] stream looked good from apt obviously no audio just nice colours [08:41] stream or do you mean 'real life eyeballs' ? [08:41] lol [08:41] yes eye balls [08:42] yeah, I'm sure it looked good if you were there, crappy for the thousands of people who were told to 'like' the nokia.uk fb page to watch the stream [08:44] ugh [08:48] though after 7.5hrs in a&e anything with colours and no sound was nice [08:48] *sighs* freakyclown any reason why ? [08:49] don't think I have ever liked any company page on facebook [08:50] but I can't find a list of pages I have liked anywhere in the UI [08:50] the constant "gifts" it surprises me with almost on a daily basis [08:51] todays present is to boot up with cpu fan on full power blowing out cold air [08:52] hmm [08:57] freakyclown: done the lmsensors thing? [08:58] czajkowski 7.5 hours in A&E is a bit excessive, you might want to think about cutting back on that habbit [08:59] alanbell checking for a dvt so waiting for blood tests twice as first time didnt draw enough blood [09:00] thrn a doppler scan [09:00] AlanBell: yeah but pwmconfig says there are no compatible sensors :/ [09:00] http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/29/marmite-spill-m1 [09:01] "Marmite lorry spill causes jam" is that the best they can do with that! [09:03] erk, that sounds nasty czajkowski :( [09:04] AlanBell: you want them to go "a few miles yeast of Sheffield"? [09:05] "We are writing to inform you that your Google Checkout account will now be part of Google Wallet." what? [09:05] gord: It's not a hard sentence to parse really [09:05] morning all [09:06] gord: it changed the other day :S [09:06] my issue is more, aren't they the same thing? [09:08] gord: they are now ;) [09:08] \o/ ubuntu is the new windows - reboot fixed the fan issue [09:12] \o/ [09:13] :) [09:13] Mornin all [09:16] \o [09:22] Good morning peeps :) [09:25] morning [09:25] any photographers here used this - http://entangle-photo.org/ [09:25] MooDoo: no, but it looks cool [09:25] yeah think i'm going to try building it tonight [09:25] I'll point it out to Carolyne next time she's over [09:26] Oh, thought you two lived together [09:26] we did until about six weeks ago ;-) [09:27] Fair enough [09:35] AlanBell: The millback video looks nice :) [09:39] nigelb: link? [09:40] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/8922159/Londons-Millbank-tower-collapses-in-spectacular-light-show.html [09:44] Dead Mouse Gig :) [09:45] or deadmau5 :) [09:45] very good [09:48] Gelukkig Dinsdag! :) [09:53] JamesTait: bless you :) [09:53] JamesTait: jij ook :) [09:54] AlanBell: thanks! :) [09:58] MooDoo: :-P [09:58] MartijnVdS: Dankie. :) [10:00] :D [10:05] well, google/youtube is clever. i put in the Japanese wording for "spice" (apparently スパイス) to find a specific track i wanted to hear. it gave me music video results for the spice girls and that old spice man [10:06] lol [10:07] the internets are too smart for your tricks :P [10:17] Old Spice Girls? [10:17] are they back together? [10:20] MartijnVdS: god i hope now :D [10:20] MooDoo: NOW? [10:20] s/now/not/g [10:20] :) [10:20] Freudian typo [10:44] Morning all [10:44] morning diplo [10:45] On train to nottingham, don't like traveling without me driving [10:45] :'( [10:46] I much prefer taking the train, although that's partly because most of my long journeys are the order of 450 miles. [10:47] notts eh? [10:47] what you doing here? [10:47] I suspect my other half just bought me a Kindle for christmas, which will be nice to use on the train. [10:47] 4 1/2 [10:48] 4.5 hours, diplo? [10:48] Hours for me [10:48] diplo: what you doing in mine and Laney 's town? [10:48] yeah, I got bored of driving after several 8-hour trips. [10:48] Heh phone itch, getting used to it [10:48] Irc* [10:49] diplo: you're names not on the list you're not coming in ;) [10:49] Headoffice is there, meetings etc, Xmas do on Friday, so up all week [10:50] diplo: wheres you're head office? which part of notts? [10:50] come climbing with me tonight! [10:50] Laney: indoor climbing wall? [10:50] I expect I will be forced out on the beer tonight [10:50] yep [10:51] not been there since it was moved from sherwood [10:51] heh, that was a while ago now [10:52] Laney: yeah [10:52] Anything good on in notts this week? [10:53] diplo: stabbings, shootings i reckon ;) [10:53] climbing /competition/ on friday! [10:53] Heh [10:53] er er er [10:53] forest vs leeds tonight ^o) [10:54] diplo: stick to the pubs, youll be fine :D [10:54] How many more times does this train need to stop! [10:54] Any uni things on? [10:55] apparently there are 'christmas street activities' happening tomorrow [10:55] you could go gawp at the occupiers [10:56] like i said, stick to the pubs lol [10:56] Cool, right in town so will take a look [10:59] good morning everyone. [11:03] morning all you funky people and czajkowski [11:04] * czajkowski peers at davmor2 [11:05] czajkowski: what just sayin' [11:05] davmor2: morning, and i'll think you'll find czajkowski is as beautiful as the morning sun, warm and a pleasure to behold :D [11:07] * diplo pukes over moodoo [11:07] diplo: pah! [11:07] MooDoo: really even that made me gag a bit [11:07] :) [11:08] * MooDoo reminds himself to be nice a little less sucky next time [11:08] Heh [11:08] Nearly at gloucester, food stop \0/ [11:10] * Laney just bought a movember moustache shaped cake [11:12] Laney: so wrong! [11:12] but I still want to see a pic [11:12] * MooDoo is tempted to wait at the trainstation with a sign for diplo and take him to st anns and leave him there [11:12] i'm nice that way :D [11:13] Don't know St anns but guessing not a nice place [11:13] diplo: correct :D yes i'm such a :D [11:14] meh, i know people who live there [11:14] it's not that bad [11:14] Need a lift to colwick if your offering though [11:14] diplo: if i was in the car i would of as it's on my way home alas i'm not [11:16] czajkowski: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/moooooooooovember.jpg [11:16] hehe [11:16] Heh, nah got to call for a lift when I'm just outside notts, taxi service all week, odd not having a car [11:16] colwick... virgin media? [11:16] diplo: okey cokey [11:17] or insphire or one of about 10 that's around there [11:17] Laney: hahhah brilliant [11:17] :> [11:17] that'll go well with me lunch [11:20] Nah, company called agathos, Brunswick trading estate I think [11:22] ah i know where it is [11:22] epos and stugg [11:22] stuff [11:24] Yeah === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [12:30] bigcalm: Mr evil in the room ;) [12:32] It's a bit mean to call him that! [12:33] i'm not evil :p [12:34] bigcalm: I can't see mrevells nick now without thinking it you are to blame sir tis your fault ;) [12:34] MooDoo: no not you this time ;) [12:35] Bwuhahaha [12:37] davmor2: awwwww :( [12:39] How do you go back to nouveau from the nvidia drivers? [12:39] My system is not stable and I think it's the graphics drivers - they seem to put the card in a bad state, you reboot to windows, when it tries to render aero elements, it crashes and reboots [12:40] Although booting Windows up twice then seems to reinitialize the card and stabilise the system [12:40] Until the next time... [12:41] power down rather than reboot? [12:41] and to switch back I'd remove nvidia-current and ditch your xorg.conf [12:41] should auto-use nouveau [12:41] popey, You'd think that would help - I even powered down, then cut the PSU cord, then went for a 40 minute run [12:41] popey, But I came back and the system locks again within minutes [12:42] Windows will run the likes of Skyrim stable for hours, so I don't think it's a hardware issue ; Natty was always stable on this hardware [12:42] It does seem to coincide with notifiers fading as well - often locks with a notifier visible [12:43] what is the card model awilkins? [12:43] oimon, It's a 560Ti [12:43] awilkins: both 64-bit OS's ? [12:43] popey, Vista is 32-bit [12:45] I get memory style graphic corruption on Vistas login screen (temporary). The weirdest was that something triggered by key inputs were being written to the same memory area as the framebuffer in LightDM - so the corruption would advance across the screen as you typed your password [12:45] Have tried both standard and x-swat PPA components [12:45] Hence the desire to try nouveau for a while [12:46] I did try Unity2D for a while as well but that didn't improve matters [12:46] So presumably not an OpenGL thing per-se [12:48] Righto, here goes nouveau [12:51] i wonder if there is a memtest for graphics cards [12:51] you know opengl is switched on even in unity2d? [12:51] compositing rather [12:52] definitely hw failure [12:52] he's gone [12:53] !ping [12:53] another contentless ping... sigh... [12:54] http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=UX21E-KX004V [12:54] does look nice [12:54] is google dns down or something? [12:54] can't get to 8.8.8.8 [12:54] yes [12:55] i have just found that [12:55] teh internetz is broken [12:55] AlanBell: great, that is why my internet is dead :/ [12:55] erk [12:55] someone got an alternative suggestion? [12:55] your isp's [12:56] Hmm. Unity 2D - distinctly less whizzy [12:56] * AlanBell wonders what the ISP DNS settings are [12:56] explains why my google talk account has terminated [12:56] On the other hand, not crashed yet [12:56] 12:51:18 < popey> you know opengl is switched on even in unity2d? [12:56] 12:51:24 < popey> compositing rather [12:56] AlanBell: opendns? [12:56] you might want to turn that off awilkins [12:56] DJones: yeah, know it's IP address? [12:57] I would google for it . . . but [12:57] WOW...can't get to google [12:57] AlanBell: Not sure [12:57] popey, I'll try nouveau for a bit and see whether that improves matters - it's going to have to be for a week, probably - the instability is not predictable and I can have whole days without a problem. [12:57] OPEN DNS servers (208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220) [12:58] popey, It might be interesting to reboot to Vista and see if the same crashing occurs [12:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS [12:58] But google seems back up now [12:58] awilkins: i use nouveau on my mbp [12:58] because the nvidia-binary driver doesn't support efi ☹ [12:58] host www.google.com 8.8.8.8 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [12:58] wfm [12:59] www.google.com CNAME www.l.google.com [12:59] * AlanBell reboots router and gets plusnet dns settings [12:59] Seems to be on & off [12:59] times out here; ditto 8.8.4.4 [12:59] haha, then.... [12:59] Nameserver google-public-dns-a.google.com not responding [12:59] www.l.google.com A record not found at google-public-dns-a.google.com, try again [12:59] traceroute failing [12:59] 173.194.67.147 [13:00] opendns [13:00] * Mez chuckles [13:00] someone else noticed it too ? [13:01] oh google [13:01] shouldn't you all use your own ISP DNS as the secondary ? [13:01] oimon: that is a very good idea [13:01] twitter is overcapacity too.. might be something going on [13:01] I just use my ISP DSN for both - what's the beef with using someone elses? [13:01] tertiary ☺ [13:01] I had 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.9 as secondary [13:02] awilkins: some are crap and keep changing IP address too [13:02] i thought it was 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 [13:02] it is [13:02] well no wonder it failed [13:02] didn't level 3 have a weird DNS server [13:02] like 4.4.4.4 or something [13:03] 4.2.2.1 [13:03] and 4.2.2.2 [13:03] 1.3.3.7 would be better :) [13:03] heh [13:03] twitter.com is down [13:03] 4.2.2.2 XD [13:03] and a million hipsters cried out at once [13:03] oimon: works for me [13:03] AlanBell: uppy downy like the google [13:04] ooh they depend on it! [13:04] the fail whale says it is over capcity [13:04] cyber attack? [13:04] do people trust google DNS? I don't think I'm over paranoid, but really, don't they have enough information on us already? [13:04] Time for dnssec [13:04] chrisjrob: whats a little more? [13:05] there is that i suppose [13:05] time for luinch [13:06] its back up \o/ [13:06] too late, they lost me [13:07] :/ [13:07] yeah - who's on opendns now? [13:07] I might put google back as a secondary at some point when I feel like rebooting my router again [13:08] lazy at its finest http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/arduino-controlled-lego-cd-duplicator.html [13:12] grr, i want to go out to lunch but i'm expecting a delivery. i know the second i leave my neighbourhood they will deliver it [13:14] and this is why we need GPS locators on all tracked packages [13:16] :D [13:17] Disabling compositing makes Unity2D exhibit a few lovely quirks like not redrawing selected bits. [13:17] aand it arrived, complaining *always* works! [13:18] :D [13:18] Also, why does the bottom-right drag handle in LibreOffice Calc actually summon a menu when you grab it.... [13:19] gord, It's like needing a cardboard cutout of a developer [13:19] gord, Explaining your problem to someone always induces your brain to solve it [13:20] awilkins, i was inducing sod's law more than anything else i think ;) [13:21] if i need to get someone to reply to me on irc i typically just go and make a cup of tea. sods law always intervenes to make them respond when i am afk [13:24] imagine the possibilities [13:25] tea could be the next motivational tool... oh wait [13:25] popey: did you ever get your eee transformer or were you swindled? [13:26] Ooh... I am interested in finding out from someone with an eee pad transformer whether it's possible to install debian/ubuntu userland on top of android like it was with older versions of android [13:27] (and I do mean installed at the same time as android, not replacing android, I just want vim, git and a few other bits) [13:30] bah [13:30] when's this google plus migrator coming? [13:30] Plus migrator? [13:31] switching accounts makes me fury hulk smash [13:31] to go to an apps account [13:31] http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/29/0232205/europes-largest-it-company-to-ban-internal-email [13:31] LOL [13:31] I didn't use plus much when it didn't work with my Apps account [13:33] oimon, sometimes I wish we could really do that. I've been having fun trying to teach my spam filters to junk the majority of my internal mail [13:34] however, it's a PHB idea from someone who likes high level meetings and doesn't do detail [13:34] oimon: they should use jabber [13:36] Here's a great example. the last emailed I received was "Subject: Christmas Party 2011- ON SALE-LAST DAY TODAY- Please Read - Do not delete :-)" [13:36] it's difficult to explain the issues I have with such spam without triggering !ohmy :/ [13:36] I know the feeling, shauno [13:36] so who's thinking of retraining as a comp sci teacher now that they will reform CS in the national curriculum [13:37] We tend to use jabber internally for discussing things, and there are occasional e-mails like that. [13:37] oimon: they are? [13:37] oimon: Does it involve working with children? No thanks.... [13:37] you mean this, oimon? http://teachcomputing.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/the-new-bbc-micro-project/ [13:38] I do a lot of work via email, because we're across fairly disparate timezones. Which also means I like to be notified of replies. But I don't like being interupted by .. ugh. [13:38] ah yes, this was on the BBC too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15923113 [13:39] a friend of mine is an ICT teacher, he tells me the first thing they need to do is allocate more than a single lesson a week to it [13:39] http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/regulation/2011/11/28/government-lukewarm-on-it-education-review-40094523/ [13:39] contains the pdf with recommendations [13:39] they are distinguishing between ict and CS [13:39] and recognise they need to attract talented CS teachers [13:41] and putting CS on the new curriculum at the expense of ICT [13:41] I related to the headlines - I would *really* have like to take CS instead of Latin at school [13:42] i would like to teach it too [13:42] The Latin teacher used to get really peed off with me because I'd fail his tests, then ace them outside the teachers common room after lunch [13:42] Personally I just think it was because it revealed to him the pointlessness of his subject [13:43] AlanBell: you're missing from surrey [13:43] I did Latin at school, never understood the point of it. [13:44] heh, that yacy.net site publicised on the BBC technology page is completely unresponsive now. [13:44] was it compulsory? [13:44] oimon: yes [13:45] i learned russian instead. thought it wouldn't be useful. now london seems to have more russian speakers than english speakers [13:45] I learned French and German, and was very glad when it led to employment opportunities I otherwise wouldn't have had. [13:47] * awilkins tries to get Unity3D working on nouveau [13:51] what do you do if someone asks you to endorse them on linkedin (and you don't want to)? ingore it or tell them? [13:51] oimon: yes. [13:51] oimon: depends on how much you want them to like you [13:51] oimon: depends if its an employment agent or not [13:51] Ignore [13:52] if they were a bad hire [13:52] it's compassion vs integrity [13:52] ignore others, and tell the agents to f--- off [13:54] just received a call from an agent regarding a role that is not public yet...hmmm [13:57] Rah, at long last pulling into nottingham [13:58] took yer time [13:58] Heh [13:59] Need to stretch these legs! [13:59] oimon: don't worry, i've already sent in my CV too ;) [14:01] oimon: it's the one for tea boy right :) [14:01] * oimon doesn't drink tea [14:02] tbh i don't even know what role they were phoning about as i pretty much hung up on them [14:02] MooDoo: if there is one thing that the boston tea party taught us it should be that tea doesn't make great bouys [14:03] davmor2: lol i was just teasing oimon about his role that's not public yet [14:04] MooDoo: I know, I was just playing with the word Boy :P [14:04] davmor2: i know ;) just not into boys unlike your good self *snigger* [14:05] fnar fnar [14:05] MooDoo: instantrimshot.com [14:05] :D [14:06] badum tish "i thank you" [14:06] rim ewww [14:06] ok ok enough now :D [14:07] oimon: what, it's a button like sadtrombone.com but plays bad dum tish [14:07] The only time an agent contacted me on LinkedIn, it was for consultancy in Qatar [14:07] The rate was tempting. But the wifelet would NOT have approved. [14:07] throat sweets usually help [14:08] instantrimshot.com [14:08] instant rim what? [14:08] directhex: job. [14:08] And yes, I thought the same about that the first hundred or so times I saw it. [14:09] MartijnVdS: NOOOO!!!! you're a bad bad man! [14:09] Then one day I wasn't at work and visited it. It was boring. But it still sounds disgusting to me. [14:09] davmor2: what? people don't want to work for the people who make Blackberry? [14:09] davmor2: >:) [14:09] directhex: are you using CM7 on your touchpad? [14:09] Hi all, who fancies a challenge today? [14:09] MartijnVdS: No [14:10] run everyone run and save yourself [14:10] Ctrl+S [14:10] oimon, no. i'd consider trying cm8 in the future, but using a crap phone os on a nice tablet seems backwards [14:10] CM9? [14:10] cm9 out? [14:11] CM328742984 [14:11] on nexus s apparentlu [14:11] that was quick [14:11] installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental has not magically enabled Unity 2D on nouveau [14:11] Ho hum. [14:11] s/2D/3D/ [14:11] getting a bit miffed with buggy TP/webos apps [14:11] and getting android envy [14:12] * MartijnVdS is still happy with 4.0.1 on the Galaxy Nexus [14:12] my 11.10 install has begun shutting down suddenly whenever I try to add my music collection to a player, either banshee or rhythmbox. Any ideas? [14:12] oimon: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/mpn5w/w000t_cm9_for_nexus_s_is_here/ [14:12] the RFID/NFC reader is cool :) [14:12] oimon, cm9 then. whichever one the tablet version of android is [14:12] yes ..9 ..hopefully coming early 2012 [14:13] to TP [14:13] although multitasking on android is still lolleriffic [14:13] cliftonts: run top in a terminal then try again it maybe that you are overloading the CPU temp and it's shutting down due to the db update if top says it is maxing out the cpu it's a good chance [14:13] as is MT on TP [14:13] apps only suspend [14:13] good idea davmor, brb after another shutdown then! [14:14] cliftonts: also tail -f /var/log/syslog [14:14] android multitasking is non-deterministic nonsense [14:14] actually no. I have 2 folders with music in, it's only the one, always the same one that causes the shutdown [14:15] rhythmbox-metad[2110]: segfault at 0 ip 0028ab61 sp bfcc9cf0 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.3000.0[256000+4d000] [14:15] AptDaemon: INFO: Quitting due to inactivity [14:16] AptDaemon: INFO: Quitting was requested [14:16] lots of those in the log [14:17] Sounds like it might be down to mangled metadata in one of your music files [14:17] now that sounds like hell to track down [14:17] cliftonts: do you have samba on that system? [14:17] probably not omion, why? [14:17] check... [14:17] look for [14:18] dpkg --list | grep winbind [14:18] ok, yes I do [14:18] apparently [14:19]