[07:09] <ujjain> I have less/fewer nukes than you. (Which is right?)
[07:38] <AlanBell> ujjain: fewer
[07:38] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:46] <danfish> morning
[07:46] <danfish> the sun supposedly rose a bit ago....not that you can tell today
[07:47] <danfish> not gonna be a good day for us SAD suffers :(
[08:20] <AlanBell> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/8922159/Londons-Millbank-tower-collapses-in-spectacular-light-show.html
[08:25] <AlanBell> not as good as some of the other building projections
[08:25] <popey> and the streaming failed completely
[08:26] <popey> loads of people complaining on the nokia facebook page
[08:26] <popey> even people there complained it only lasted 10 minutes and the audio sync was out
[08:27] <AlanBell> looked like there was far too much just projecting video onto it
[08:27] <AlanBell> might as well not have been a building
[08:33] <popey> http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
[08:33] <popey> wonder what technology it uses
[08:35] <AlanBell> the British Library is a strong Microsofy lobbyist
[08:39] <czajkowski> morning
[08:40] <czajkowski> stream looked good from apt obviously no audio just nice colours
[08:41] <popey> stream or do you mean 'real life eyeballs' ?
[08:41] <czajkowski> lol
[08:41] <czajkowski> yes eye balls
[08:42] <popey> yeah, I'm sure it looked good if you were there, crappy for the thousands of people who were told to 'like' the nokia.uk fb page to watch the stream
[08:44] <czajkowski> ugh
[08:48] <czajkowski> though after 7.5hrs in a&e anything with colours and no sound was nice
[08:48] <freakyclown> *sighs* </3 ubuntu any more :(
[08:49] <czajkowski> freakyclown any reason why ?
[08:49] <AlanBell> don't think I have ever liked any company page on facebook
[08:50] <AlanBell> but I can't find a list of pages I have liked anywhere in the UI
[08:50] <freakyclown> the constant "gifts" it surprises me with almost on a daily basis
[08:51] <freakyclown> todays present is to boot up with cpu fan on full power blowing out cold air
[08:52] <czajkowski> hmm
[08:57] <AlanBell> freakyclown: done the lmsensors thing?
[08:58] <AlanBell> czajkowski 7.5 hours in A&E is a bit excessive, you might want to think about cutting back on that habbit
[08:59] <czajkowski> alanbell checking for a dvt so waiting for blood tests twice as first time didnt draw enough blood
[09:00] <czajkowski> thrn a doppler scan
[09:00] <freakyclown> AlanBell: yeah but pwmconfig says there are no compatible sensors :/
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/29/marmite-spill-m1
[09:01] <AlanBell> "Marmite lorry spill causes jam" is that the best they can do with that!
[09:03] <AlanBell> erk, that sounds nasty czajkowski :(
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you want them to go "a few miles yeast of Sheffield"?
[09:05] <gord> "We are writing to inform you that your Google Checkout account will now be part of Google Wallet." what?
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: It's not a hard sentence to parse really
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:06] <MooDoo> gord: it changed the other day :S
[09:06] <gord> my issue is more, aren't they the same thing?
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> gord: they are now ;)
[09:08] <freakyclown> \o/ ubuntu is the new windows - reboot fixed the fan issue
[09:12] <AlanBell> \o/
[09:13] <MooDoo> :)
[09:13] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:25] <MooDoo> morning
[09:25] <MooDoo> any photographers here used this - http://entangle-photo.org/
[09:25] <gordonjcp> MooDoo: no, but it looks cool
[09:25] <MooDoo> yeah think i'm going to try building it tonight
[09:25] <gordonjcp> I'll point it out to Carolyne next time she's over
[09:26] <bigcalm> Oh, thought you two lived together
[09:26] <gordonjcp> we did until about six weeks ago ;-)
[09:27] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[09:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: The millback video looks nice :)
[09:39] <MooDoo> nigelb: link?
[09:40] <nigelb> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/8922159/Londons-Millbank-tower-collapses-in-spectacular-light-show.html
[09:44] <MooDoo> Dead Mouse Gig :)
[09:45] <MooDoo> or deadmau5 :)
[09:45] <MooDoo> very good
[09:48] <JamesTait> Gelukkig Dinsdag! :)
[09:53] <MooDoo> JamesTait: bless you :)
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: jij ook :)
[09:54] <ujjain> AlanBell: thanks! :)
[09:58] <JamesTait> MooDoo: :-P
[09:58] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Dankie. :)
[10:00] <MooDoo> :D
[10:05] <gord> well, google/youtube is clever. i put in the Japanese wording for "spice" (apparently スパイス) to find a specific track i wanted to hear. it gave me music video results for the spice girls and that old spice man
[10:06] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:07] <dogmatic69> the internets are too smart for your tricks :P
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> Old Spice Girls?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> are they back together?
[10:20] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: god i hope now :D
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: NOW?
[10:20] <MooDoo> s/now/not/g
[10:20] <MooDoo> :)
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> Freudian typo
[10:44] <diplo> Morning all
[10:44] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[10:45] <diplo> On train to nottingham, don't like traveling without me driving
[10:45] <diplo> :'(
[10:46] <dwatkins> I much prefer taking the train, although that's partly because most of my long journeys are the order of 450 miles.
[10:47] <Laney> notts eh?
[10:47] <Laney> what you doing here?
[10:47] <dwatkins> I suspect my other half just bought me a Kindle for christmas, which will be nice to use on the train.
[10:47] <diplo> 4 1/2
[10:48] <dwatkins> 4.5 hours, diplo?
[10:48] <diplo> Hours for me
[10:48] <MooDoo> diplo: what you doing in mine and Laney 's town?
[10:48] <dwatkins> yeah, I got bored of driving after several 8-hour trips.
[10:48] <diplo> Heh phone itch, getting used to it
[10:48] <diplo> Irc*
[10:49] <MooDoo> diplo: you're names not on the list you're not coming in ;)
[10:49] <diplo> Headoffice is there, meetings etc, Xmas do on Friday, so up all week
[10:50] <MooDoo> diplo: wheres you're head office?  which part of notts?
[10:50] <Laney> come climbing with me tonight!
[10:50] <MooDoo> Laney: indoor climbing wall?
[10:50] <diplo> I expect I will be forced out on the beer tonight
[10:50] <Laney> yep
[10:51] <MooDoo> not been there since it was moved from sherwood
[10:51] <Laney> heh, that was a while ago now
[10:52] <MooDoo> Laney: yeah
[10:52] <diplo> Anything good on in notts this week?
[10:53] <MooDoo> diplo: stabbings, shootings i reckon ;)
[10:53] <Laney> climbing /competition/ on friday!
[10:53] <diplo> Heh
[10:53] <Laney> er er er
[10:53] <Laney> forest vs leeds tonight ^o)
[10:54] <MooDoo> diplo: stick to the pubs, youll be fine :D
[10:54] <diplo> How many more times does this train need to stop!
[10:54] <diplo> Any uni things on?
[10:55] <Laney> apparently there are 'christmas street activities' happening tomorrow
[10:55] <Laney> you could go gawp at the occupiers
[10:56] <MooDoo> like i said, stick to the pubs lol
[10:56] <diplo> Cool, right in town so will take a look
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all you funky people and czajkowski
[11:04]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2 
[11:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: what just sayin'
[11:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning, and i'll think you'll find czajkowski is as beautiful as the morning sun, warm and a pleasure to behold :D
[11:07]  * diplo pukes over moodoo
[11:07] <MooDoo> diplo: pah!
[11:07] <czajkowski> MooDoo: really even that made me gag a bit
[11:07] <diplo> :)
[11:08]  * MooDoo reminds himself to be nice a little less sucky next time
[11:08] <diplo> Heh
[11:08] <diplo> Nearly at gloucester, food stop \0/
[11:10]  * Laney just bought a movember moustache shaped cake
[11:12] <czajkowski> Laney: so wrong!
[11:12] <czajkowski> but I still want to see a pic
[11:12]  * MooDoo is tempted to wait at the trainstation with a sign for diplo and take him to st anns and leave him there
[11:12] <MooDoo> i'm nice that way :D
[11:13] <diplo> Don't know St anns but guessing not a nice place
[11:13] <MooDoo> diplo: correct :D  yes i'm such a <subversion alternative> :D
[11:14] <Laney> meh, i know people who live there
[11:14] <Laney> it's not that bad
[11:14] <diplo> Need a lift to colwick if your offering though
[11:14] <MooDoo> diplo: if i was in the car i would of as it's on my way home alas i'm not
[11:16] <Laney> czajkowski: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/moooooooooovember.jpg
[11:16] <MooDoo> hehe
[11:16] <diplo> Heh, nah got to call for a lift when I'm just outside notts, taxi service all week, odd not having a car
[11:16] <Laney> colwick... virgin media?
[11:16] <MooDoo> diplo: okey cokey
[11:17] <MooDoo> or insphire or one of about 10 that's around there
[11:17] <czajkowski> Laney: hahhah brilliant
[11:17] <Laney> :>
[11:17] <Laney> that'll go well with me lunch
[11:20] <diplo> Nah, company called agathos, Brunswick trading estate I think
[11:22] <MooDoo> ah i know where it is
[11:22] <MooDoo> epos and stugg
[11:22] <MooDoo> stuff
[11:24] <diplo> Yeah
[12:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: Mr evil in the room ;)
[12:32] <bigcalm> It's a bit mean to call him that!
[12:33] <MooDoo> i'm not evil :p
[12:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: I can't see mrevells nick now without thinking it you are to blame sir tis your fault ;)
[12:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: no not you this time ;)
[12:35] <bigcalm> Bwuhahaha
[12:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: awwwww :(
[12:39] <awilkins> How do you go back to nouveau from the nvidia drivers?
[12:39] <awilkins> My system is not stable and I think it's the graphics drivers - they seem to put the card in a bad state, you reboot to windows, when it tries to render aero elements, it crashes and reboots
[12:40] <awilkins> Although booting Windows up twice then seems to reinitialize the card and stabilise the system
[12:40] <awilkins> Until the next time...
[12:41] <popey> power down rather than reboot?
[12:41] <popey> and to switch back I'd remove nvidia-current and ditch your xorg.conf
[12:41] <popey> should auto-use nouveau
[12:41] <awilkins> popey, You'd think that would help - I even powered down, then cut the PSU cord, then went for a 40 minute run
[12:41] <awilkins> popey, But I came back and the system locks again within minutes
[12:42] <awilkins> Windows will run the likes of Skyrim stable for hours, so I don't think it's a hardware issue ; Natty was always stable on this hardware
[12:42] <awilkins> It does seem to coincide with notifiers fading as well - often locks with a notifier visible
[12:43] <oimon> what is the card model awilkins?
[12:43] <awilkins> oimon, It's a 560Ti
[12:43] <popey> awilkins: both 64-bit OS's ?
[12:43] <awilkins> popey, Vista is 32-bit
[12:45] <awilkins> I get memory style graphic corruption on Vistas login screen (temporary). The weirdest was that something triggered by key inputs were being written to the same memory area as the framebuffer in LightDM - so the corruption would advance across the screen as you typed your password
[12:45] <awilkins> Have tried both standard and x-swat PPA components
[12:45] <awilkins> Hence the desire to try nouveau for a while
[12:46] <awilkins> I did try Unity2D for a while as well but that didn't improve matters
[12:46] <awilkins> So presumably not an OpenGL thing per-se
[12:48] <awilkins> Righto, here goes nouveau
[12:51] <oimon> i wonder if there is a memtest for graphics cards
[12:51] <popey> you know opengl is switched on even in unity2d?
[12:51] <popey> compositing rather
[12:52] <directhex> definitely hw failure
[12:52] <oimon> he's gone
[12:53] <AlanBell> !ping
[12:53] <lubotu3`> another contentless ping... sigh...
[12:54] <czajkowski> http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=UX21E-KX004V
[12:54] <czajkowski> does look nice
[12:54] <AlanBell> is google dns down or something?
[12:54] <AlanBell> can't get to 8.8.8.8
[12:54] <Laney> yes
[12:55] <Laney> i have just found that
[12:55] <AlanBell> teh internetz is broken
[12:55] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: great, that is why my internet is dead :/
[12:55] <AlanBell> erk
[12:55] <AlanBell> someone got an alternative suggestion?
[12:55] <dogmatic69> your isp's
[12:56] <awilkins> Hmm. Unity 2D - distinctly less whizzy
[12:56]  * AlanBell wonders what the ISP DNS settings are
[12:56] <MooDoo> explains why my google talk account has terminated
[12:56] <awilkins> On the other hand, not crashed yet
[12:56] <popey> 12:51:18 < popey> you know opengl is switched on even in unity2d?
[12:56] <popey> 12:51:24 < popey> compositing rather
[12:56] <DJones> AlanBell: opendns?
[12:56] <popey> you might want to turn that off awilkins
[12:56] <AlanBell> DJones: yeah, know it's IP address?
[12:57] <AlanBell> I would google for it . . . but
[12:57] <oimon> WOW...can't get to google
[12:57] <DJones> AlanBell: Not sure
[12:57] <awilkins> popey, I'll try nouveau for a bit and see whether that improves matters - it's going to have to be for a week, probably - the instability is not predictable and I can have whole days without a problem.
[12:57] <oimon> OPEN DNS servers (208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220)
[12:58] <awilkins> popey, It might be interesting to reboot to Vista and see if the same crashing occurs
[12:58] <DJones> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS
[12:58] <DJones> But google seems back up now
[12:58] <popey> awilkins: i use nouveau on my mbp
[12:58] <popey> because the nvidia-binary driver doesn't support efi ☹
[12:58] <oimon>  host www.google.com 8.8.8.8 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[12:58] <popey> wfm
[12:59] <popey> www.google.com          CNAME   www.l.google.com
[12:59]  * AlanBell reboots router and gets plusnet dns settings
[12:59] <DJones> Seems to be on & off
[12:59] <shauno> times out here; ditto 8.8.4.4
[12:59] <popey> haha, then....
[12:59] <popey> Nameserver google-public-dns-a.google.com not responding
[12:59] <popey> www.l.google.com A record not found at google-public-dns-a.google.com, try again
[12:59] <oimon> traceroute failing
[12:59] <dogmatic69> 173.194.67.147
[13:00] <AlanBell> opendns
[13:00]  * Mez chuckles
[13:00] <Mez> someone else noticed it too ?
[13:01] <Laney> oh google
[13:01] <oimon> shouldn't you all use your own ISP DNS as the secondary ?
[13:01] <AlanBell> oimon: that is a very good idea
[13:01] <oimon> twitter is overcapacity too.. might be something going on
[13:01] <awilkins> I just use my ISP DSN for both - what's the beef with using someone elses?
[13:01] <popey> tertiary ☺
[13:01] <AlanBell> I had 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.9 as secondary
[13:02] <oimon> awilkins: some are crap and keep changing IP address too
[13:02] <dogmatic69> i thought it was 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[13:02] <popey> it is
[13:02] <AlanBell> well no wonder it failed
[13:02] <Mez> didn't level 3 have a weird DNS server
[13:02] <Mez> like 4.4.4.4 or something
[13:03] <popey> 4.2.2.1
[13:03] <popey> and 4.2.2.2
[13:03] <oimon> 1.3.3.7 would be better :)
[13:03] <popey> heh
[13:03] <oimon> twitter.com is down
[13:03] <Mez> 4.2.2.2 XD
[13:03] <oimon> and a million hipsters cried out at once
[13:03] <AlanBell> oimon: works for me
[13:03] <oimon> AlanBell: uppy downy like the google
[13:04] <AlanBell> ooh they depend on it!
[13:04] <oimon> the fail whale says it is over capcity
[13:04] <andylockran> cyber attack?
[13:04] <chrisjrob> do people trust google DNS?  I don't think I'm over paranoid, but really, don't they have enough information on us already?
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> Time for dnssec
[13:04] <dogmatic69> chrisjrob: whats a little more?
[13:05] <chrisjrob> there is that i suppose
[13:05] <oimon> time for luinch
[13:06] <dogmatic69> its back up \o/
[13:06] <AlanBell> too late, they lost me
[13:07] <dogmatic69> :/
[13:07] <Mez> yeah - who's on opendns now?
[13:07] <AlanBell> I might put google back as a secondary at some point when I feel like rebooting my router again
[13:08] <dogmatic69> lazy at its finest http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/arduino-controlled-lego-cd-duplicator.html
[13:12] <gord> grr, i want to go out to lunch but i'm expecting a delivery. i know the second i leave my neighbourhood they will deliver it
[13:14] <dwatkins> and this is why we need GPS locators on all tracked packages
[13:16] <andylockran> :D
[13:17] <awilkins> Disabling compositing makes Unity2D exhibit a few lovely quirks like not redrawing selected bits.
[13:17] <gord> aand it arrived, complaining *always* works!
[13:18] <andylockran> :D
[13:18] <awilkins> Also, why does the bottom-right drag handle in LibreOffice Calc actually summon a menu when you grab it....
[13:19] <awilkins> gord, It's like needing a cardboard cutout of a developer
[13:19] <awilkins> gord, Explaining your problem to someone always induces your brain to solve it
[13:20] <gord> awilkins, i was inducing sod's law more than anything else i think ;)
[13:21] <gord> if i need to get someone to reply to me on irc i typically just go and make a cup of tea. sods law always intervenes to make them respond when i am afk
[13:24] <dwatkins> imagine the possibilities
[13:25] <dwatkins> tea could be the next motivational tool... oh wait
[13:25] <oimon> popey: did you ever get your eee transformer or were you swindled?
[13:26] <funkyHat> Ooh... I am interested in finding out from someone with an eee pad transformer whether it's possible to install debian/ubuntu userland on top of android like it was with older versions of android
[13:27] <funkyHat> (and I do mean installed at the same time as android, not replacing android, I just want vim, git and a few other bits)
[13:30] <Laney> bah
[13:30] <Laney> when's this google plus migrator coming?
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> Plus migrator?
[13:31] <Laney> switching accounts makes me fury hulk smash
[13:31] <Laney> to go to an apps account
[13:31] <oimon> http://slashdot.org/story/11/11/29/0232205/europes-largest-it-company-to-ban-internal-email
[13:31] <oimon> LOL
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> I didn't use plus much when it didn't work with my Apps account
[13:33] <shauno> oimon, sometimes I wish we could really do that.  I've been having fun trying to teach my spam filters to junk the majority of my internal mail
[13:34] <oimon> however, it's a PHB idea from someone who likes high level meetings and doesn't do detail
[13:34] <dwatkins> oimon: they should use jabber
[13:36] <shauno> Here's a great example.  the last emailed I received was "Subject: Christmas Party 2011- ON SALE-LAST DAY TODAY- Please Read - Do not delete :-)"
[13:36] <shauno> it's difficult to explain the issues I have with such spam without triggering !ohmy  :/
[13:36] <dwatkins> I know the feeling, shauno
[13:36] <oimon> so who's thinking of retraining as a comp sci teacher now that they will reform CS in the national curriculum
[13:37] <dwatkins> We tend to use jabber internally for discussing things, and there are occasional e-mails like that.
[13:37] <dwatkins> oimon: they are?
[13:37] <DJones> oimon: Does it involve working with children? No thanks....
[13:37] <dwatkins> you mean this, oimon? http://teachcomputing.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/the-new-bbc-micro-project/
[13:38] <shauno> I do a lot of work via email, because we're across fairly disparate timezones.  Which also means I like to be notified of replies.  But I don't like being interupted by .. ugh.
[13:38] <dwatkins> ah yes, this was on the BBC too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15923113
[13:39] <dwatkins> a friend of mine is an ICT teacher, he tells me the first thing they need to do is allocate more than a single lesson a week to it
[13:39] <oimon> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/regulation/2011/11/28/government-lukewarm-on-it-education-review-40094523/
[13:39] <oimon> contains the pdf with recommendations
[13:39] <oimon> they are distinguishing between ict and CS
[13:39] <oimon> and recognise they need to attract talented CS teachers
[13:41] <oimon> and putting CS on the new curriculum at the expense of ICT
[13:41] <awilkins> I related to the headlines - I would *really* have like to take CS instead of Latin at school
[13:42] <oimon> i would like to teach it too
[13:42] <awilkins> The Latin teacher used to get really peed off with me because I'd fail his tests, then ace them outside the teachers common room after lunch
[13:42] <awilkins> Personally I just think it was because it revealed to him the pointlessness of his subject
[13:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you're missing from surrey
[13:43] <dwatkins> I did Latin at school, never understood the point of it.
[13:44] <dwatkins> heh, that yacy.net site publicised on the BBC technology page is completely unresponsive now.
[13:44] <oimon> was it compulsory?
[13:44] <dwatkins> oimon: yes
[13:45] <oimon> i learned russian instead. thought it wouldn't be useful. now london seems to have more russian speakers than english speakers
[13:45] <dwatkins> I learned French and German, and was very glad when it led to employment opportunities I otherwise wouldn't have had.
[13:47]  * awilkins tries to get Unity3D working on nouveau
[13:51] <oimon> what do you do if someone asks you to endorse them on linkedin (and you don't want to)? ingore it or tell them?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> oimon: yes.
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> oimon: depends on how much you want them to like you
[13:51] <dogmatic69> oimon: depends if its an employment agent or not
[13:51] <diplo> Ignore
[13:52] <oimon> if they were a bad hire
[13:52] <oimon> it's compassion vs integrity
[13:52] <dogmatic69> ignore others, and tell the agents to f--- off
[13:54] <oimon> just received a call from an agent regarding a role that is not public yet...hmmm
[13:57] <diplo> Rah, at long last pulling into nottingham
[13:58] <Laney> took yer time
[13:58] <diplo>  Heh
[13:59] <diplo> Need to stretch these legs!
[13:59] <MooDoo> oimon: don't worry, i've already sent in my CV too ;)
[14:01] <MooDoo> oimon: it's the one for tea boy right :)
[14:01]  * oimon doesn't drink tea
[14:02] <oimon> tbh i don't even know what role they were phoning about as i pretty much hung up on them
[14:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: if there is one thing that the boston tea party taught us it should be that tea doesn't make great bouys
[14:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol i was just teasing oimon about his role that's not public yet
[14:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: I know, I was just playing with the word Boy :P
[14:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: i know ;)  just not into boys unlike your good self *snigger*
[14:05] <oimon> fnar fnar
[14:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: instantrimshot.com
[14:05] <MooDoo> :D
[14:06] <MooDoo> badum tish "i thank you"
[14:06] <oimon> rim ewww
[14:06] <MooDoo> ok ok enough now :D
[14:07] <davmor2> oimon: what, it's a button like sadtrombone.com but plays bad dum tish
[14:07] <awilkins> The only time an agent contacted me on LinkedIn, it was for consultancy in Qatar
[14:07] <awilkins> The rate was tempting. But the wifelet would NOT have approved.
[14:07] <oimon> throat sweets usually help
[14:08] <awilkins> instantrimshot.com
[14:08] <directhex> instant rim what?
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> directhex: job.
[14:08] <awilkins> And yes, I thought the same about that the first hundred or so times I saw it.
[14:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: NOOOO!!!! you're a bad bad man!
[14:09] <awilkins> Then one day I wasn't at work and visited it. It was boring. But it still sounds disgusting to me.
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: what? people don't want to work for the people who make Blackberry?
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: >:)
[14:09] <oimon> directhex: are you using CM7 on your touchpad?
[14:09] <cliftonts> Hi all, who fancies a challenge today?
[14:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No
[14:10] <davmor2> run everyone run and save yourself
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> Ctrl+S
[14:10] <directhex> oimon, no. i'd consider trying cm8 in the future, but using a crap phone os on a nice tablet seems backwards
[14:10] <oimon> CM9?
[14:10] <MooDoo> cm9 out?
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> CM328742984
[14:11] <oimon> on nexus s apparentlu
[14:11] <MooDoo> that was quick
[14:11] <awilkins> installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental has not magically enabled Unity 2D on nouveau
[14:11] <awilkins> Ho hum.
[14:11] <awilkins> s/2D/3D/
[14:11] <oimon> getting a bit miffed with buggy TP/webos apps
[14:11] <oimon> and getting android envy
[14:12]  * MartijnVdS is still happy with 4.0.1 on the Galaxy Nexus
[14:12] <cliftonts> my 11.10 install has begun shutting down suddenly whenever I try to add my music collection to a player, either banshee or rhythmbox. Any ideas?
[14:12] <MooDoo> oimon: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/mpn5w/w000t_cm9_for_nexus_s_is_here/
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> the RFID/NFC reader is cool :)
[14:12] <directhex> oimon, cm9 then. whichever one the tablet version of android is
[14:12] <oimon> yes ..9 ..hopefully coming early 2012
[14:13] <oimon> to TP
[14:13] <directhex> although multitasking on android is still lolleriffic
[14:13] <davmor2> cliftonts: run top in a terminal then try again it maybe that you are overloading the CPU temp and it's shutting down due to the db update if top says it is maxing out the cpu it's a good chance
[14:13] <oimon> as is MT on TP
[14:13] <oimon> apps only suspend
[14:13] <cliftonts> good idea davmor, brb after another shutdown then!
[14:14] <oimon> cliftonts: also tail -f /var/log/syslog
[14:14] <directhex> android multitasking is non-deterministic nonsense
[14:14] <cliftonts> actually no. I have 2 folders with music in, it's only the one, always the same one that causes the shutdown
[14:15] <cliftonts> rhythmbox-metad[2110]: segfault at 0 ip 0028ab61 sp bfcc9cf0 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.3000.0[256000+4d000]
[14:15] <cliftonts> AptDaemon: INFO: Quitting due to inactivity
[14:16] <cliftonts> AptDaemon: INFO: Quitting was requested
[14:16] <cliftonts> lots of those in the log
[14:17] <awilkins> Sounds like it might be down to mangled metadata in one of your music files
[14:17] <cliftonts> now that sounds like hell to track down
[14:17] <oimon> cliftonts: do you have samba on that system?
[14:17] <cliftonts> probably not omion, why?
[14:17] <oimon> check...
[14:17] <oimon> look for
[14:18] <oimon> dpkg --list | grep winbind
[14:18] <cliftonts> ok, yes I do
[14:18] <cliftonts> apparently
[14:19] <oimon> seen some forum posts that say removing winbind fixes it :)
[14:19] <cliftonts> I have winbind but not samba
[14:20] <oimon> i'm just a bloke on the internet, reading something another bloke wrote. but might be worth a try :)
[14:20] <cliftonts> lol isn't that how it's done omion?
[14:20] <cliftonts> ok, shall we do this then?
[14:20] <oimon> except if i'm at work, then i back it up first
[14:20] <cliftonts> importing now
[14:21] <oimon> drum roll...
[14:22] <cliftonts> this could take some time...
[14:23] <cliftonts> I wonder what the hell samba has to do with mp3's
[14:23] <oimon> also, is winbind still running a process?
[14:24] <cliftonts> no idea omion but I'm still here so make of that what you will
[14:24] <oimon> maybe affects hostname lookups
[14:24] <cliftonts> why would importing an mp3 need a hostname lookup?
[14:25] <cliftonts> 10,000 songs done, 6,000 to go
[14:25] <oimon> it might check musicbrainz and UPNP , or samba mounts
[14:25] <cliftonts> hmm, I suppose it's probably set to retrieve artwork
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> it needs to report to the copyright agencies
[14:26] <oimon> i find the cover manager in clementine music player unbeatable for cover art
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> so they can come around and sue you
[14:26] <dwatkins> Can't you just show it the CD and have it read some unique identifier off the CD?
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's how musicbrainz works?
[14:27] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: ah ok
[14:27] <cliftonts> haha MartjnVdS
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it calculates a disc id based on some properties of the TOC
[14:27] <oimon> like when i uploaded a clip of my son dancing while a song was playing in the background, received an email stating that it contained a copyrighted song
[14:27] <davmor2> cliftonts: depends is the name c:\\my-music-drive?
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Disc_ID
[14:27] <dwatkins> yeah, I thought I'd seen that kind of thing before with CDDB
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes but CDDB id's are not unique enouhg
[14:28] <dwatkins> oh right
[14:28] <cliftonts> davmor why would I have a windows drive assignment. You've lost me
[14:28] <dwatkins> so can you bypass having to rip a CD by waving the CD's code in the direction of some application?
[14:28] <oimon> yes please dwatkins
[14:29] <oimon> cliftonts: how many songs left?
[14:29] <davmor2> Sometime I feel I've to......... run away, I've got to.........Get away..........
[14:29] <cliftonts> 3000
[14:30] <oimon> one bug with banshee/rhyhmbox was related to u1 music store and winbind
[14:30] <oimon> that's been fixed allegedly
[14:30] <oimon> bug 738140
[14:30] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 529714 in eglibc (Ubuntu Precise) "duplicate for #738140 rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in _nss_wins_gethostbyname_r()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529714
[14:31] <cliftonts> hmm well this has never happened to me before
[14:32] <oimon> if it works, then awilkins would say "cum hoc ergo propter hoc"
[14:33]  * awilkins can't remember enough Latin to swear in
[14:34] <dwatkins> "Horatio in horto laborat" is the limit of my Latin.
[14:34] <dwatkins> it's not even useful, as I don't know any gardeners called Horatio.
[14:34] <cliftonts> And just like that I'm gone!
[14:34] <oimon> died? or finished?
[14:34] <cliftonts> died
[14:35] <oimon> raise a bug: too much latin in irc kills rhythmbox
[14:35] <oimon> you could also disable plugins
[14:36] <cliftonts> or I could just throw my laptop out of the window
[14:38] <oimon> or use clementine ;)
[14:38] <MooDoo> cliftonts: make sure i'm underneath when you do, i'm a great catcher
[14:39] <cliftonts> MooDoo, is it worth the effort for a half cooked HP TX1000 with no keyboard and a broken USB port?
[14:39] <MooDoo> cliftonts: maybe not then, got any macbook pro's?
[14:39] <MooDoo> lol
[14:40] <cliftonts> I had an acer but so did one of my customers so I butchered it for parts
[14:40] <cliftonts> I've got a P1 IBM thinkpad you can have lol
[14:41] <monsterwizard> :o
[14:41] <monsterwizard> i'd buy it
[14:41] <monsterwizard> 1,000 Yen ?
[14:41] <cliftonts> It will only run damn small linux and won't access the net at all
[14:41] <cliftonts> any good to you?
[14:44] <cliftonts> I use it every day, it's perfect for stopping the HP from burning my legs as the graphics chipset slowly cooks the processor!
[14:44] <oimon> my son keeps talking in a growly voice..i wonder if it's normal?
[14:45] <cliftonts> By the way I'm inporting my music sub-folders one by one to see where the problem is
[14:45] <cliftonts> how old is he?
[14:45] <oimon> almost 2
[14:45] <oimon> it's quite funny
[14:45] <cliftonts> I was going to say perfectly normal for a teenager but that would be one early puberty! lol
[14:45] <MooDoo> oimon: yeah my son did that :D lol
[14:45] <oimon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmlxs-aaXm0&feature=youtu.be
[14:47] <oimon> he recognises letters of the alphabet already
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> oimon: cyrillic or latin alphabet?
[14:48] <oimon> we're starting with latin :)
[14:48] <MooDoo> my son was playing tuxpaint last night, he loved it
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: he's like 2 months right?
[14:48] <DJones> oimon: Has he been listening to Louis Armstong singing Its a wonderful world?
[14:48] <oimon> DJones: lol
[14:48] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: no son is 3, daughter is 2 months
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ETOOMANYKIDS ;)
[14:55] <cliftonts> Got it
[14:55] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: they are lovely, the issue is TOO SMALL HOUSE lol
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: :)
[14:56] <cliftonts> The music is divided into sub-folders by alphabet, the problem is in V
[14:57] <DJones> cliftonts: That'll be your Village People collection :)
[14:58] <cliftonts> lol well I used to be a dj so its in there
[14:58] <DJones> :)
[15:00] <DJones> I've got a backup of my uncles mp3 collection in case he ever loses/breaks his laptop when he's running a disco etc, I'm sure in the 400Gb of that, there must be many worse things than Village People
[15:00] <MooDoo> itsy teeny weeny yellow polka.......
[15:00] <cliftonts> OMG!
[15:00] <DJones> I know thats there
[15:00] <DJones> Its near the Agadoo track
[15:00] <MooDoo> push pineapple shake the tree :D
[15:02] <DJones> On that note, /me  grinds coffee & puts the kettle on
[15:03] <daubers> MooDoo: That was one of my first records (Timmy Mallet)
[15:04] <MooDoo> lo
[15:04] <MooDoo> lmy first ever LP was Ghost Busters and my first ever CD was New Order - Technique :D
[15:05] <daubers> Wonder if it's on spotify
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> you're OLD :P
[15:05] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: i al :D
[15:05] <MooDoo> am
[15:19] <directhex> i never owned vinyl
[15:19] <directhex> my first tape was... man, i don't remember at all
[15:20] <MooDoo> my first ever tape was "airwolf for the spectrum" lol
[15:21] <directhex> i remember playing a queen greatest hits tape a lot, but i think that was my dad's
[15:21] <directhex> first cd i bought was probably the first garbage album
[15:21] <MooDoo> directhex: oh god, blank covered one?
[15:21] <directhex> hm?
[15:21] <MooDoo> directhex: black sorry
[15:21] <directhex> MooDoo, the queen tape? yeah
[15:22] <MooDoo> directhex: gulp, i bought that first time round too
[15:25] <cliftonts> get this guys
[15:25] <cliftonts> I just had a call from a DJing agency
[15:25] <cliftonts> they want me to do a christmas party from 7pm to 3:30am
[15:25] <cliftonts> ouch!
[15:26] <MooDoo> ouch
[15:26] <MooDoo> i hope it's well paid
[15:26] <cliftonts> and it's 80 miles away from home so we're looking at 4pm leave, 6:30am get back home
[15:27] <MooDoo> ouch
[15:27] <MooDoo> sacrifices you have to make eh!
[15:27] <cliftonts> well, I have an allergy to turning down money
[15:27] <directhex> loadsamoney?
[15:28] <directhex> fill your set with an alternation between baroque classical, and chiptunes versions of aphex twin
[15:28] <cliftonts> sounds fantastic
[15:29] <cliftonts> however I think I'll stick to the same old crap, they seem to like it
[15:30] <cliftonts> anyway, I must dash. there's far too much on my to do list.
[15:30] <cliftonts> bye
[15:31] <directhex> iiiiiiiiiiii want your soooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuullllllllllllll *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep* *bleep*
[15:31] <directhex> it'd be great
[15:31] <Laney> oh god
[15:31] <awilkins> Have discovered why Unity 2D has compositing enabled by default ; it sucks worse without it
[15:32] <Laney> the lights just broke in the office
[15:32]  * Laney festers in the gloom
[15:32] <awilkins>  I like it when there's a power cut in the office.
[15:32] <awilkins> The aircon goes off, don't have the constant white noise
[15:35] <MooDoo> drives me nuts here too
[15:35] <Laney> my office mate paid me a quid to phone up the helpdesk
[15:39] <awilkins> "Have you tried turning them off, then on again?"
[15:46] <Laney> they want to reboot the system
[15:46] <Laney> but not now because it controls all of the lights on the floor and they think it might not turn on
[15:47] <Laney> => darkness for the rest of the day
[15:47] <MooDoo> Laney: i believe in a thing called love....ooooogh   ...  oh wrong darkness
[15:56] <oimon> i find working in darkness except for the light of LCD screens to be relaxing
[16:01] <DJones> I find that give me eye strain
[16:03] <bigcalm> !ping
[16:03] <lubotu3`> another contentless ping... sigh...
[16:04] <DJones> You're still here bigcalm
[16:05] <bigcalm> Then I blame VM for being pants
[16:07] <DJones> bigcalm: VM letting you stay conencted bad?
[16:07] <bigcalm> DNS is pantsed
[16:08] <bigcalm> Oh poo
[16:08] <DJones> google dns was a bit dodgy earlier
[16:08] <bigcalm> I'd left a VPN connection going
[16:08] <bigcalm> That's what was causing everything take ages to load
[16:09] <awilkins> bigcalm, Change the routes on the VPN connection?
[16:12] <bigcalm> Just killed the VPN connection. Only needed it to upload 1 file to a client
[16:26] <oimon> apparently there's a strike or something tomorrow - will it affect much?
[16:28] <MooDoo> anything public services related i think
[16:28] <MooDoo> schools, hospitals etc
[16:28] <gord> can i strike? y'know, to play zelda
[16:30] <bigcalm> GF is on holiday all week, she's not sure if she would or wouldn't have taken part tomorrow though
[16:31] <MooDoo> people in hospitals or ambulance drivers shouldn't and if they do shame on them.
[16:38]  * daubers has never agreed with strikes
[16:39] <oimon> apparently i have to be in a union if i want to strike
[16:39] <oimon> not that i want to, but it's a bit silly that you have to pay to be a member of a strike club
[16:40] <oimon> in the olden days, unions paid the strikers wages..not any more
[16:40] <daubers> It's just a trumpted up way of throwing your toys out the pram
[16:41] <MooDoo> daubers: me neither.
[16:41] <MooDoo> sack them and get people in who what to do the job
[16:41] <oimon> i had a row with someone today for putting up strike posters
[16:42] <daubers> There's enough people struggling to find work as it is at the moment, throwing your toys around because you think life sucks won't help anything
[16:42] <daubers> if it was me running the company I'd liquidate it, start a new company and rehire the people who didn't strike
[16:43] <daubers> I was really behing the Quantas guy when he grounded all the flights when his workers threatened to strike
[16:43] <oimon> tube drivers are the worst though
[16:43] <daubers> I'd automate the tube and sack the lot of them
[16:44] <oimon> the strength of their union has meant that the wages are completely disproportionate
[16:45] <shauno> It's an odd one.  I think it's something which should exist, but should not be exercised anywhere near this frequently
[16:45] <shauno> it should be a last resort, not a bargaining chip
[16:46] <oimon> guess how much it costs me to join the union?
[16:46] <directhex> disproportionate compared to what?
[16:48] <oimon> IT staff, lorry drivers, bus drivers, normal people
[16:48] <shauno> isn't the DLR automated?  So we have the power, ca'n ..
[16:48] <oimon> nurses, teachers
[16:49] <oimon> Unions have secured a four-year deal which could see train drivers take home a total of £52,300 a year by 2015, an increase of £10,000
[16:49] <MooDoo> how much?   bloody hell
[16:49] <oimon> double the national average wage
[16:50] <oimon> that's what happens when you give in to the unions repeatedly
[16:51] <oimon> just been told that team members of mine are striking
[16:51] <oimon> so muggins will be on his own tomorrow
[16:51] <Seeker`> the thing is, the public sector kept on getting pay rises while a lot of the private sector workers had pay freezes
[16:51] <directhex> does that mean they're overpaid, or that others are underpaid?
[16:52] <oimon> directhex: tube drivers are ridiculously overpaid
[16:52] <directhex> my sister in law's fiancee gets paid more than me as an assistant manager at tesco. i have a degree and 6 years' sysadmin experience
[16:52] <gord> tbh, you would have to pay me a lot to be in those tubes all day
[16:55] <daubers> gord: You might then be able to afford the ticket prices :p
[18:27] <geekMePlease> Has anyone succeeded in installing Ubuntu from Firewire disk that is by booting from Firewire and then installing?
[18:28] <geekMePlease> My usb-memory gets corrupted when I have tried to install Ubuntu from USB stick: new SSD drive with old x60 designed to usb2 with usb3 -memory stick
[18:28] <geekMePlease> * same problem with usb2 -memory stick
[18:29] <geekMePlease> * did the thing now for 7 different usb sticks
[18:29] <geekMePlease> * seems that the problem is that the temperature gets too high which corrupts the data in the drive so stopping the installation
[18:30] <geekMePlease> *s/drive/memory of the usb stick/
[18:30] <geekMePlease> * x60 is not designed for SSD -drives
[18:30] <Darael> Is there a USB hub available?  That or a USB extension lead ought to prevent the overheat.
[18:31] <Darael> My understanding is that firewire ought to work also.
[18:31] <geekMePlease> Darael: Yes, I need to get one such hub that converts the speed to USB2
[18:31] <geekMePlease> * s/USB2/USB1/
[18:32] <geekMePlease> Will also try the firewire installation to do things right
[18:33] <Darael> Failing either of these methods, one could use the USB Creator with mini.iso, boot that, and remove the USB key after providing a wired network connection.
[18:34] <Darael> Unetbootin would work just as well with mini.iso if need be.
[18:34] <Darael> The minimal CD image downloads everything except a minimal installer from the network, y'see, so once it's in memory problems with the media ought not to be a problem.
[18:36] <geekMePlease> Darael: Thank you for pointing out that!
[18:36] <geekMePlease> Darael: I will try the mini iso now.
[18:40] <geekMePlease> * "Make Startup up disk" -program not accepting my mini.iso -image. How to make a starup disk with the given iso?
[18:41] <geekMePlease> * should I mount the image before? - In my opinion, no
[18:41] <geekMePlease> ok, will read the manuals now thoroughly
[18:44] <geekMePlease> Is there any iso -image burner to usb -stick for Ubuntu?
[18:44] <geekMePlease> * the manuals do not discuss the case
[18:45] <geekMePlease> * seems to correct answer here for 7.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=909512
[18:46] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBpYwuk1Uw
[18:49] <Darael> geekMePlease: Putting an ISO on a USB-stick can be achieved with the USB Creator, if it's an Ubuntu image (this utility is preinstalled) or with UNetbootin (for pretty much any /other/ distro)
[18:50] <davmor2> popey: hahahahaha NICE!
[18:53] <Darael> popey: I second the opinion of davmor2.
[18:54] <geekMePlease> Darael: USB Creator does not regognize my iso -image when trying to create the thing.
[18:54] <Darael> geekMePlease: Unetbootin will do the trick, then.  It was in the repositories, last time I checked.
[18:55] <AlanBell> popey: wow!
[18:57] <geekMePlease> Darael: Thank you! Unetbootin working.
[19:01] <czajkowski> popey: briilliant
[19:10] <czajkowski> I'd swear they're flashing purple tonight in millbank
[19:14] <matti> czajkowski: ?
[19:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: what drugs are you taking I want some :P
[19:15] <czajkowski> there is a line going around one level of millbank in purple
[19:15]  * AlanBell wonders what exactly that would do to davmor2 
[19:15] <davmor2> AlanBell: possibly make me sane I don't which is more worrying ;)
[19:15] <matti> Millbank?
[19:15] <davmor2> could me
[19:15] <davmor2> be
[19:16] <AlanBell> matti: millbank tower in London, where canonical HQ is
[19:16] <davmor2> matti: Millbank Tower home of canonical
[19:16] <matti> Ah.
[19:16] <shauno> I thought their home was on the isle of mann? or am I out of date
[19:17] <matti> There is a Tower in Cabary Wharf
[19:17] <popey> home is where the office is
[19:17] <davmor2> shauno: Well out of date
[19:17] <matti> Which has sifferent colours too
[19:17] <popey> we have offices all over the place, HQ is considered London
[19:17] <matti> As a line on it
[19:17] <czajkowski> there is a purple band though of light
[19:18] <czajkowski> so if someone is in milbank it looks really pretty from the distance
[19:18] <AlanBell> matti: no, not there, way upstream
[19:19] <diplo> evening all
[19:19] <diplo> Laney / MooDoo : My guide for the evening has cancelled on me, can you recommend a good place for food / drink in centre of town ?
[19:19] <matti> ;)
[19:20] <matti> AlanBell: ;(
[19:20] <matti> Ops.
[19:20] <matti> AlanBell: ;)
[19:20] <matti> I fail on touch acreens.
[19:20] <matti> ;)
[19:20] <AlanBell> in other news, one last place for the christmas meal still
[19:20] <AlanBell> I will contact the venue and give up the place soon if nobody wants it
[19:21] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[19:21] <diplo> Really debated coming, just not sure I can warrant the costs to get there :/
[19:45] <geekMePlease> I have an apparent overheating problem in installing ubuntu, since I get input/output error in installing the drive to OCZ 3 Agility SSD
[19:45] <geekMePlease> * the data should not get corrupted in my USB stick anymore, since I am using Ubuntu mini iso
[19:46] <geekMePlease> Is there any way to install ubuntu with lower speeds such that my system does not heat up
[19:47] <geekMePlease> ok, will look for cooling pads in DX
[19:59] <AlanBell> 2 tooth fairy visits tonight
[20:00] <AlanBell> intense debate on whether one fairy can do a double visit or whether two separate faries would be required
[20:01] <czajkowski> awww
[20:02] <davmor2> AlanBell: just point out there is only one tooth fairy hence the name ;)
[20:02] <shauno> for "lifting capacity of a fairy", wolfram alpha offers a scrabble score of 17.  The internet fails me this time.
[20:03] <AlanBell> they have established that pound coins weigh more than teeth, so the payload on the outbound trip is the important factor
[20:03] <shauno> oh even worse, it's only scored the word 'capacity'.  *shakes fist*
[20:03] <DJones> AlanBell: Austerity measures, its not £1 coins now, only 5p's
[20:05] <AlanBell> DJones: and in this globalised economy we have to be mindful of the competitive impact of overseas fairies
[20:05] <davmor2> DJones: you know kids can kill quicker than predators in the wild right ;)
[20:05] <shauno> so outsourced fairies delivering rupees?
[20:07] <shauno> hm, my googling is quickly leading me to comparisons of african vs european swallows.  I think I'll admit defeat on this one
[20:11] <AlanBell> shauno: did you find out the airspeed of an unladen fairy?
[20:11] <daubers> african or european?
[20:16] <Daviey> AlanBell: max or efficient airspeed?
[20:26] <AlanBell> flat out
[20:27] <czajkowski> Daviey: something up with the uk etherpad?
[20:29] <Daviey> czajkowski: ah yes
[20:31] <Daviey> czajkowski: should be back
[20:31] <czajkowski> thank you
[20:31] <MarquessDeBonBon> Polski?
[20:31] <Daviey> AlanBell: then just read the label that states VNE = foo :)
[21:25] <ikonia> would one of you UK users try to hit this site and click the calander app, does it pop up (any browser is a fine test)
[21:25] <ikonia> http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/#
[21:26] <ikonia> trying to book some tickets and change the date with the calander application
[21:26] <czajkowski> ikonia: works fine in ff no problem
[21:27] <czajkowski> ikonia: works fine in chrome also
[21:29] <ikonia> how odd, thank you
[21:30] <czajkowski> np
[21:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/UK-government-announces-open-data-initiative-1387087.html
[22:11] <Azelphur> My parents TV broke, they sent it back and it got lost in the post so they got a full cash refund on the original price for the ~2 year old telly, win :D
[22:21] <jacobw> excellent :)
[23:50] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:51] <Laney> oh forest, oh dear dear dear forest