| mhall119 | AlanBell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/index.html | 04:01 |
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| mhall119 | my first attempt at a TV mockup | 04:04 |
| mhall119 | doctormon and anyone else interested ^^ | 04:06 |
| imnichol | mhall119, I like it | 04:07 |
| doctormon | looks good | 04:07 |
| mhall119 | btw, you can install my Unity stencil collection at http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/Unity.zip, if you to go the "My Stuff" tab, right-click empty space and select "Import new private collection..." | 04:16 |
| mhall119 | the stencils don't contain much atm, but it has the images I used to create the launcher buttons | 04:16 |
| mhall119 | I hope it's something the ubuntu-design team can build up, as it would be useful for a great many projects | 04:17 |
| doctormon | Sounds like a good set of resources. | 04:21 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:01 |
| yaili | good morning | 08:35 |
| mainerror | Morning. | 08:44 |
| mainerror | mhall119: Doesn't look bad but I'm not sure if having the launcher like on a desktop is the way to go to be honest. | 08:45 |
| mainerror | How is such a TV supposed to be controlled? Will it be controlled with a mouse and keyboard or with a remote? | 08:46 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: very nice | 08:54 |
| AlanBell | mainerror: do a storyboard to explain the way you want it to work! | 08:55 |
| mainerror | I'll do that. | 08:56 |
| AlanBell | but anyhow, the specifics of that are really more for #ubuntu-tv and that mailing list | 08:56 |
| AlanBell | getting unity stencils available for designing stuff is great | 08:57 |
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| mhall119 | mainerror: I see there being an ubuntu-button that, when pressed, moves the launcher into view and puts the selection hilight on the first item | 13:01 |
| mhall119 | you then use the up and down arrow buttons to select | 13:01 |
| mhall119 | in my mockup, there's apps for video, music, games and files | 13:01 |
| mainerror | I see. | 13:13 |
| mainerror | I thought about a dashboard design pattern. | 13:13 |
| mainerror | It is nothing really new, especially on TV, I know that but it is easy and intuitive to use. | 13:14 |
| mainerror | I'll come up with some mockups this weekend. | 13:14 |
| AlanBell | so wendar's meeting of the design liberation front is in about 3.5 hours right? | 13:25 |
| mainerror | Yea ... and I'm going to miss that meeting. | 13:29 |
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| doctormon | Meeting soon! | 16:42 |
| doctormon | wendar: ping | 16:56 |
| wendar | doctormon: pong | 16:56 |
| doctormon | AlanBell, antdillon, ara, bwinton, cjohnston, ckpringle, CrazyThinker, czajkowski, daker, dholbach, dmj726, godbyk, gord, jasox, jfi, johnoxton, Kaleo, kholerabbi: Meeting! | 17:00 |
| wendar | hi all | 17:00 |
| thorwil | hi | 17:00 |
| daker | hi | 17:00 |
| antdillon | doctormon, hi | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | hi | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | feel free to use the meeting bot if you want to | 17:00 |
| * dholbach is just about to head out - have a great meeting everyone | 17:00 | |
| oreneeshy | hi all | 17:00 |
| jasox | hi | 17:01 |
| doctormon | Welcome to the weekly ubuntu design meeting. | 17:01 |
| MacSlow | hey everybody | 17:01 |
| wendar | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
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| wendar | ah, it's on, good | 17:01 |
| doctormon | So wendar, tell us what's on the agenda this week. | 17:02 |
| wendar | - picking a project | 17:02 |
| wendar | - starting to sketch out the first stages | 17:03 |
| wendar | Also, there's been lots of interesting work the past couple of weeks, so I'd like to hear a quick summary. | 17:04 |
| doctormon | sure | 17:04 |
| doctormon | We have some interesting investigations into Pencil, a tool for creating workflow mockups. It's a firefox extention/app. | 17:05 |
| doctormon | mhall119 I believe has made some interesting templates for ubuntu people to use. | 17:05 |
| doctormon | AlanBell has been leading the charge by practicing with the highly conceptual Ubuntu-TV idea. | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: the templates for the TV are from AlanBell, I made stencils of the Unity launcher buttons | 17:06 |
| doctormon | Thanks for the correction, resources from mhall119 and AlanBell available on request. Are they linked on the resource wiki page? | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: on the wiki page for the TV designs, yes | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs | 17:07 |
| doctormon | Can you guys link all your resources directly to the design-resource page, maybe under a Pencil header? | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | what's the URL for that? | 17:08 |
| doctormon | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Resources | 17:09 |
| doctormon | As well as the work with pencil, I've spent thanks giving developing an alpha Ethersketch. It's a merge of the svg-editor and etherpad-lite. | 17:09 |
| wendar | ah, fantastic | 17:10 |
| doctormon | So far it works and is going through it's last few turns of development, once done i'll release an alpha and people can try it out and see if real-time collab graphics is useful. | 17:10 |
| doctormon | Also on the horizon is the decision to have a dedicated website for design work. The idea is that without a place to document briefs and showcase designs for peer views, everything will get very adhoc. | 17:11 |
| doctormon | wendar and I talked with sabdfl last week, I think he believes that adhoc is good enough, we should have everybodies opinion. | 17:12 |
| thorwil | good enough is not good enough ^_^ | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: I believe design.canonical.com was going to be moved to design.ubuntu.com, will we add the peer review and critique functionality onto that? | 17:13 |
| wendar | mhall119: design.ubuntu.com is being set up as a new "planet" on the main page, that pulls in design.canonical.com | 17:14 |
| doctormon | mhall119: It's a php based wordpress site, it's beyond my analysis of it's capability. | 17:14 |
| wendar | also, custom pages of Ubuntu design resources | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | php :( | 17:14 |
| wendar | but, we can host anything under the tap | 17:14 |
| wendar | tab | 17:14 |
| wendar | sladen has more information | 17:15 |
| wendar | basically, the planet home page is just a quick way to get community designers voices up on design.ubuntu.com | 17:16 |
| wendar | without a lot of infrastructure changes | 17:16 |
| doctormon | makes sense, a good direction I think. | 17:16 |
| thorwil | sounds good indeed | 17:16 |
| mhall119 | and then just have reviews and critiques happen on each person's blog comments? | 17:16 |
| doctormon | mhall119: That's where it gets adhoc, it doesn't actually matter where they go because each blog could do it differently. | 17:17 |
| wendar | mhall119 I wasn't thinking of the blog as part of the workflow, more as general communication | 17:17 |
| oreneeshy | wendar: sorry to interrupt can we pause for a sec for a quick rnd on intros | 17:17 |
| oreneeshy | of intros | 17:18 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: yes, good idea | 17:18 |
| sladen | mhall119: latest intention as I understand it. Is to have design.ubuntu.com/planet design.u.c/logo/ design.u.c/font etc | 17:18 |
| wendar | if you weren't here to give an intro last meeting, take a line or two to tell us who you are and what you're interested in | 17:18 |
| thorwil | communicating a design process via blog posts is hard work. things break down if it is supposed to go collaborative | 17:18 |
| sladen | mhall119: and moving all of the Ubuntu stuff over; and then to leave /canonical-specific/ stuff on design.canonical.com eg. the blog, and canonical-specific logos/branding | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs/Pencil is the resources page | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | or is a page where some resources are | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | I will move them | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | sorry, I was scrolled back :) | 17:20 |
| wendar | [TOPIC] Catchup introductions | 17:21 |
| wendar | (mootbot is only partially following us?) | 17:21 |
| AlanBell | Hi I am Alan Bell, I am leader of the UK LoCo and do other bits and bobs. I am interested in helping the design team use Free tools because they are more awesome than the alternatives | 17:21 |
| AlanBell | wendar: it doesn't have rights to change the channel topic | 17:21 |
| AlanBell | it did hear you | 17:21 |
| AlanBell | I also maintain meetingology and have a long list of bugs to fix on it :) | 17:22 |
| * sladen is a techie on the Canonical Design Team (basically a glorified lab technician). Poke me about fonts/packaging/bugs/artwork that isn't published yet. | 17:23 | |
| wendar | oreneeshy: introduce yourself? | 17:23 |
| oreneeshy | Hello am Oren. I do interaction design in the unity team | 17:24 |
| thorwil | i'm Thorsten Wilms, allround-designer. reponsible for a few ubuntu related logos, like the one for spreadubuntu. i'm very interested in interaction design and design methods/processes | 17:24 |
| oreneeshy | I am interested in developing a community process that will focus on experience journeys rather then UI behaviours | 17:26 |
| * MacSlow is here from the Canonical's DX-team to help mentor anything regarding designer->engieer asset-handover/drafting | 17:26 | |
| * wendar looks through the introductions last time | 17:27 | |
| wendar | jasox and antdillon: hi, welcome, would you like to introduce yourselves? | 17:27 |
| jasox | I am Jasmin Rahimic, student of IT in Bosnia. I am interested in ubuntu development and design. | 17:28 |
| antdillon | hi im a member of the webteam here at canonical, mainly develop front-end code but work backend if I need to. | 17:28 |
| jasox | i don't have a lot of design experience. | 17:28 |
| antdillon | I am not a designer im a developer | 17:29 |
| wendar | we need a little of everything here :) | 17:29 |
| doctormon | I'm Martin Owens, programmer with an interest in design workflow. | 17:30 |
| sladen | nuthinking: are you here to introduce yourself? | 17:32 |
| doctormon | wendar: Once introductions are over, can you continue with our tasks for the week? | 17:32 |
| wendar | doctormon: did we finish the summary of the past two weeks? | 17:33 |
| wendar | onward, then | 17:34 |
| wendar | [TOPIC] Picking the first project | 17:34 |
| wendar | (or projects) | 17:34 |
| wendar | We have 4 candidate projects | 17:34 |
| wendar | and, this is partly a matter of finding out what people are interested in working on | 17:35 |
| wendar | so, we may have a couple of threads running with different interest groups | 17:35 |
| wendar | The first three are small games, which we can use to try out the design workflow of reviewing and approving an existing application. | 17:36 |
| wendar | The forth is more orieted towards assisting that workfllow, exploring possible tools, and maybe developing some new ones. | 17:37 |
| wendar | The three games are 4digits, AisleRot, and gbrainy. | 17:38 |
| AlanBell | gbrainy is likely to not be on the CD | 17:38 |
| wendar | AlanBell: dropped dependencies? | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | the mono/banshee thing | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | without banshee only gbrainy and tomboy need mono | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | not that it should stop anything for this team, just throwing it out there as info | 17:40 |
| wendar | very useful thanks | 17:40 |
| sladen | AisleRiot was mentioned in the design-sessions at UDS | 17:40 |
| AlanBell | I think the main problem with gbrainy is that the questions are not very good, design won't fix that | 17:41 |
| * wendar is aiming for general discussion on all three, then vote | 17:41 | |
| doctormon | So I think we should pair or group people up who are interest in each idea so they can work on it for the week. | 17:41 |
| AlanBell | what are 4digits and aisleriot? | 17:41 |
| doctormon | After all the group doesn't do projects, people do projects ;-) | 17:42 |
| wendar | sladen: was that general design problems or just a new card deck | 17:42 |
| sladen | I think it was highlighting that the existing Ubuntu card backs were no longer being picked up | 17:42 |
| sladen | but if it came up, perhaps that indicators that it has some mindshare | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: aisleriot is the gnome card cames | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | games | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | solitaire, freecell, etc | 17:43 |
| antdillon | http://live.gnome.org/Aisleriot | 17:44 |
| oreneeshy | wendar: what is the rational for this choices? | 17:44 |
| doctormon | Part of the research should be to look at the comments in the software center too. | 17:44 |
| thorwil | i suspect that aisleriot will not offer much room for improving the ux. with 4digits, the shortcomings of the ui might be part of the game | 17:44 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: we're looking for something small, that we could do in a week or two | 17:44 |
| mhall119 | thorwil: the suggestion for aisleriot was to make an ubuntu-themed set of card images | 17:45 |
| oreneeshy | ok. | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | which means it likely won't be accepted upstream | 17:45 |
| doctormon | Of course not, but we could make a package for an ubuntu theme surely. | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | or we could do a non-ubuntu-specific set of art, which might | 17:45 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: to walk through one full process including (simple) user journeys, design drafts, implementation and launch | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | doctormon: yes we could | 17:45 |
| oreneeshy | makes sense | 17:45 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: different people will have different interests, but personally, I'm really interested in walking through with your current workflow | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | oreneeshy: it was more to test our processes with a real-life, but small scope, project | 17:46 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: to get a sense of what you do an how | 17:46 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: (for the people who are interested in tools for workflow, that would be valuable too, as examples) | 17:47 |
| wendar | 4digits is http://fourdigits.sourceforge.net/ | 17:47 |
| doctormon | wendar: OK we should start to get commitments in the last 12mins of the meeting. | 17:47 |
| oreneeshy | wendar: sure. the tools are critical in that sense I agree | 17:47 |
| wendar | I asked the developer if he'd be interested in being an example project for a group of Ubuntu designers, and he was enthusiastic | 17:48 |
| wendar | did we hear back from asilerot? | 17:49 |
| wendar | *AisleRot | 17:49 |
| wendar | 4digits is currently in Debian, will be in Precise (sync'd to universe), but is unlikely to be on the CD | 17:50 |
| MacSlow | got to go | 17:50 |
| wendar | Let's do this as a quick show of hands. | 17:51 |
| wendar | Who is interested in working on simple design improvements to AisleRot? | 17:52 |
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| doctormon | No art people in the house? | 17:52 |
| wendar | Who is interested in working on simple design improvements to 4digits? | 17:53 |
| wendar | o/ | 17:53 |
| doctormon | \o | 17:53 |
| jasox | I would like to try. | 17:53 |
| wendar | great! | 17:54 |
| doctormon | Cool, looks like we have a team for 4digits. | 17:54 |
| oreneeshy | cool | 17:55 |
| wendar | We'll start on that this week. | 17:56 |
| wendar | 4 minutes left, what else do people plan to work on this week? | 17:56 |
| doctormon | I'll be ready with that ethersketch alpha by next week. | 17:57 |
| oreneeshy | wendar: plan for tools is we do them as they need emerges? | 17:57 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: there are a group of people interested in tools now, so if you're interested, we should get you all talking | 17:57 |
| oreneeshy | wendar: sounds good | 17:58 |
| wendar | oreneeshy: it's very much in the "user journey" phase now, working out the processes designers use, and what would be helpful to them | 17:58 |
| * AlanBell wants to know what proprietary tools are used in the current workflow | 17:58 | |
| doctormon | AlanBell: Google docs and a whiteboard somewhere in london? ;-) | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | storyboarding on google docs? | 17:59 |
| doctormon | I have no idea. | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | hence the question :) | 17:59 |
| doctormon | OK, I think we're done for this week. Thank you to all those who came and participated. | 18:01 |
| doctormon | And good luck with your design items for the week. | 18:02 |
| wendar | Thanks all! | 18:02 |
| wendar | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 18:02:14 2011 UTC. | 18:02 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-design/2011/ubuntu-design.2011-11-30-17.01.moin.txt | 18:02 |
| AlanBell | oreneeshy: what tools do you use? | 18:03 |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: depends | 18:04 |
| oreneeshy | white board, paper for sketching | 18:04 |
| oreneeshy | AI / other tool for WF | 18:05 |
| AlanBell | what is AI and WF? | 18:05 |
| oreneeshy | graphic tool / google docs for specs | 18:05 |
| oreneeshy | wireframing | 18:05 |
| AlanBell | what graphic tool? | 18:05 |
| oreneeshy | photoshop for mockups | 18:05 |
| AlanBell | and what other tool? | 18:06 |
| oreneeshy | Adoeb Ilustrator | 18:06 |
| oreneeshy | Omnigraph, Visio, pencil, balsamic | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | ok, so what does Adobe Illustrator do that made you choose it for wireframing? | 18:06 |
| oreneeshy | not much just know it well | 18:07 |
| oreneeshy | can do more accurate WF with real dimensions | 18:07 |
| oreneeshy | also works well with other CS tools | 18:08 |
| AlanBell | really? you design in cm? no px? | 18:08 |
| AlanBell | CS tools? | 18:08 |
| oreneeshy | other wise it doesn't matter | 18:08 |
| AlanBell | computer science? | 18:08 |
| oreneeshy | creative suite | 18:08 |
| oreneeshy | Adobe | 18:08 |
| AlanBell | adobe stuff again? | 18:08 |
| oreneeshy | :) | 18:09 |
| * AlanBell has never used any of that stuff | 18:09 | |
| oreneeshy | unfortunately... | 18:09 |
| AlanBell | so, dimensions, what units do you work in? | 18:09 |
| oreneeshy | pixels | 18:10 |
| AlanBell | err, ok | 18:10 |
| AlanBell | what doesn't do pixels?? | 18:10 |
| oreneeshy | against a reference display and target density | 18:10 |
| oreneeshy | has to be in a display framework context though | 18:11 |
| oreneeshy | so scaling between devices could be considered on early stages | 18:11 |
| AlanBell | ok, so inkscape does px measurements | 18:13 |
| AlanBell | it has a zoom correction factor so you can set the DPI you are aiming for | 18:13 |
| AlanBell | not sure I would want to do anything but 100% to be honest | 18:13 |
| AlanBell | you can set the export resolution too | 18:14 |
| AlanBell | so what is omnigraph? | 18:15 |
| AlanBell | visio is a flowcharting thing, I used that a couple of times about 10 years ago | 18:16 |
| AlanBell | can draw network diagrams and things too | 18:16 |
| AlanBell | Microsoft bought it or something I think | 18:17 |
| AlanBell | Omnigraph is educational maths software? | 18:17 |
| AlanBell | PCB prototyping? (that sounds fun) | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | this thing? http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraphsketcher | 18:19 |
| AlanBell | oreneeshy: when you say balsamic I assume you mean balsamiq which is a software as a service thing like pencil? | 18:30 |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: yes | 18:31 |
| AlanBell | is it better than pencil in any way? | 18:31 |
| mhall119 | Dia is an alternative to Visio, I've used it quite a bit | 18:31 |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: onmigraph is a wire framing tool | 18:31 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: Pencil is SaaS? | 18:32 |
| AlanBell | omnigraffle? | 18:32 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: no, balsamiq is like pencil, but SaaS | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | oh, ok | 18:32 |
| AlanBell | http://konigi.com/tools/omnigraffle-wireframe-stencils that? | 18:33 |
| AlanBell | http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraffle/ that appears to be the product maybe? | 18:34 |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: yes | 18:35 |
| * AlanBell does not know about obscure programs for the mac :) | 18:35 | |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: I think pencil is more then enough for sketching though | 18:35 |
| mhall119 | oreneeshy: can we either look at using open source tools, or formats that are compatible with open source tools? | 18:36 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: this is why I am asking | 18:36 |
| mhall119 | we can't make having a copy of the CS suite a requirement for community engagement | 18:36 |
| oreneeshy | mhall119: yes if pencil is OS it should be enough | 18:36 |
| mhall119 | it is | 18:36 |
| AlanBell | using adobe illustrator errects a £500 barrier to collaboration | 18:36 |
| oreneeshy | we don't need CS necessarily | 18:36 |
| AlanBell | photoshop again | 18:36 |
| oreneeshy | I think we can start small | 18:36 |
| AlanBell | this grapffle thing is $99 | 18:37 |
| oreneeshy | ttools are just their to express ideas | 18:37 |
| oreneeshy | we can also use google docs - they have quite good drawing tool | 18:37 |
| AlanBell | and the open tools can be adapted and fixed | 18:37 |
| oreneeshy | many people now use it for WF | 18:37 |
| mhall119 | cool | 18:38 |
| mhall119 | oreneeshy: I know it's a lot to ask for you guys to abandon the tools you're familiar with, so file compatibility is enough to make me happy | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | what I want is for the Free tools to be *better* for designing stuff for Ubuntu | 18:39 |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: mhall119 http://mortenjust.com/2010/04/19/a-wireframe-kit-for-google-drawings/ | 18:39 |
| AlanBell | omnigrapffle seems to have a heap of templates and stencils for designing stuff for iPad and suchlike | 18:39 |
| oreneeshy | http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2010/05/rapid-wireframe-sketching-in-google.html | 18:39 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: we've got a couple decades of work to catch up on to get there | 18:39 |
| AlanBell | what we don't have is stuff for designing things for Ubuntu | 18:39 |
| oreneeshy | :) | 18:39 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: that's where I'd like to see an extensive Pencil stencil collection made | 18:40 |
| AlanBell | exactly | 18:40 |
| mhall119 | for Unity/Ambiance, and also the web themes | 18:40 |
| AlanBell | indeed | 18:40 |
| mhall119 | once I had my launcher button stencils in Pencil, it was easy to build my Unity TV mockup | 18:41 |
| oreneeshy | AlanBell: dont know about pencil but g docs can role versioning as well comments and white boarding - so you can sketch and chat on the same page | 18:41 |
| AlanBell | versioning is interesting, could store pencil components in bzr | 18:41 |
| oreneeshy | its also available form any platform | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | however doctormon has a plan which is way more exciting | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | I am not too bothered about things being available cross platform | 18:42 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: storing Pencil stuff in bzr will be a pain, because it's XML and then it's compressed | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | true | 18:43 |
| mhall119 | oreneeshy: does g docs let you create reusable widgets, for things like Unity Launcher buttons? | 18:43 |
| mhall119 | that's my favorite part of Pencil | 18:44 |
| oreneeshy | mhall119: it's called stencil and the guy writes on it in the blog post | 18:44 |
| oreneeshy | u dont have a stencil but you can copy p[aste between docs | 18:44 |
| oreneeshy | so one doc could be the stencil and people copy paste items between docs | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | btw, AlanBell, you can import my Unity stencils into Pencil 1.3.2, I can walk you though | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | is there anything in that which makes storyboarding of wireframes interesting? | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: already done it :) | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | I'm going to stick with the 1.2 standalone version, I like it better | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: oh, ok, cool | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | I want to do an Ubuntu window frame | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: +1 | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | with turn on and offable buttons and shadow | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | and I am going to integrate a comment service on the output I think | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | I'm creating a bzr branch for the unity stencils, what project should I push that to? | 18:53 |
| mhall119 | or should I create a new project in LP for them? | 18:53 |
| mhall119 | wendar: sladen: ^^ | 18:55 |
| sladen | now that's a good question | 18:55 |
| wendar | mhall119: it seems sensible to use ubuntu-design | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | wendar: is that a project name? | 18:56 |
| wendar | it's a team, not a project | 18:56 |
| mhall119 | right, I need lp:~ubuntu-design/<project>/pencil-stencils-unity | 18:56 |
| sladen | there is ~ubuntu-design and ubuntu-design | 18:56 |
| sladen | it would be possible to push to lp:~ubuntu-design/ubuntu-design/pencil-stencils-unity | 18:57 |
| mhall119 | launchpad.net/ubuntu-design/ has nothing | 18:57 |
| sladen | but in this case, 'pencil-stencils-unity' is really the project | 18:57 |
| mhall119 | so I should make a new LP project then | 18:57 |
| wendar | or just 'pencil-stencils'? | 18:58 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 18:58 |
| mhall119 | or ubuntu-pencil-stencils | 18:58 |
| thorwil | AlanBell: i use inkscape for mockups professionally. i don't think it has to stand behind illustrator in this context (illustrator does have some more tricks up its sleaves) | 18:58 |
| thorwil | or in other words, where detailed vector work is needed or beneficial, inkscape does the trick | 18:59 |
| thorwil | now i really have to look into pencil. last time i checked was too early | 18:59 |
| thorwil | was hoping i could use the standalone version, but "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1 and 1.9.2.*." :/ | 19:01 |
| AlanBell | yes, standalone is somewhat dropped | 19:02 |
| AlanBell | they don't seem to be building it upstream, and we dropped xulrunner so it wouldn't work anyway | 19:02 |
| mhall119 | did we ever establish a moderated team for design? | 19:02 |
| AlanBell | ooh, no branches :) | 19:03 |
| mhall119 | no branches? | 19:03 |
| AlanBell | on open teams | 19:03 |
| mhall119 | I thin you can, but no PPAs | 19:03 |
| AlanBell | oh, ok | 19:03 |
| AlanBell | thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs/Pencil | 19:04 |
| thorwil | yes, saw that, ty | 19:05 |
| sladen | There Xara3D too | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | the export template makes storyboards with query fades like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ | 19:05 |
| sladen | which kwwii used to use quite a lot | 19:05 |
| mhall119 | doh, set it to the wrong team | 19:05 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: you around? | 19:05 |
| cjohnston | at work | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: can you add me to ubuntu-design-drafters when you have a minute? | 19:06 |
| AlanBell | http://www.xara.com/uk/products/xara3d/features/ this thing that looks like blender? | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-design/ubuntu-pencil/pencil-stencils-unity | 19:07 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: "make" will create the Unity.zip from the Definition.xml, "make update" will extract the Definition.xml from Unity.zip | 19:07 |
| AlanBell | cool | 19:07 |
| mhall119 | so if you make changes in Pencil, export the collection to Unity.zip in the branch directory, run "make update", and it should be ready to commit | 19:08 |
| mhall119 | we'll just have to be careful when merging | 19:08 |
| AlanBell | what is the difference between a private collection and a regular collection? | 19:08 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: I have no idea | 19:08 |
| mhall119 | I think private collections get saved in ~/.pencil, rather than the system-wide folder | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | ok, because your unity.zip wouldn't import as a regular collection, but got added straight in as a private one | 19:09 |
| mhall119 | which probably only made sense on the standalone version | 19:09 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: maybe there's a structural difference too, I don't know | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | collection specification not found in archive | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | wonder if there is some kind of manifest file that it needs | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | hmm... | 19:13 |
| cjohnston | k | 19:14 |
| AlanBell | just installed the DoJo UI Widgets, that worked fine as a regular collection http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Downloads/Stencils.aspx | 19:15 |
| AlanBell | no extra files in the zip, just Definition.xml and some png files | 19:15 |
| wendar | mhall119: added you to ubuntu-design-drafters | 19:16 |
| AlanBell | oh, very different XML | 19:17 |
| mhall119 | wendar: thanks | 19:19 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-pencil I've made a series for each of our Pencil resources, and put them in bzr branches | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | if you want to change the wiki references to use them, instead of our people.u.c uploads | 19:31 |
| AlanBell | will do | 19:36 |
| mmiicc | Just looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Resources. I would go with Gpick (http://code.google.com/p/gpick/) instead of Agave. Has more features and it is still maintained. | 21:40 |
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| mhall119 | AlanBell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/index.html what do you think of the remote with button hilights? | 22:22 |
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