=== bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk [06:53] hi ! Mr LaMont, How R U ? === smb` is now known as smb === doko_ is now known as doko === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === james_ is now known as blitzkrieg3 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [13:46] hi [13:46] h01ger, !! [13:46] long time no see ! [13:55] ogra_, indeed! [13:56] * h01ger hopes to attend the edu meeting tonite. not sure if i make it though === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === plars is now known as plars-vacation === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [16:00] * stgraber waves [16:00] hi all. i think i'm it today [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started Wed Nov 30 16:00:30 2011 UTC. The chair is barry. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [16:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:00] slangasek and cjwatson are afk today [16:01] good, I was just wondering if Steve poked someone about chairing the meeting :) [16:01] yep, i'm the lucky pokee [16:01] echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jhunt ev bdmurray) [16:01] jhunt ev stgraber doko barry bdmurray [16:01] Whole week has been taken up with intense rework of Upstart job logging [16:01] code for user jobs after I discovered a nasty issue. New code is simpler [16:01] and cleaner, but still has a niggly issue I'm currently trying to track [16:01] down. [16:02] ⟷ [16:02] jhunt: i know all about those niggly issues that are hard to track down :) [16:03] ev: you're up, if you're ready [16:03] oh awesome [16:03] should we come back around? [16:03] - still helping the DX team get up to speed on automated testing using jenkins and autopilot [16:03] barry: yeah, tracing individual file descriptors across 5-process logfiles gets hard (and time consuming :) [16:04] - hacking away on the reporting daemon, recently adding some unit testing joy [16:04] (done) [16:04] ev: what about starring in a film? :) [16:04] oh yes! [16:04] autograph time! [16:05] - engaged in subversion of Nokia's launch of the Lumia phone [16:05] :) [16:05] - ISO testing [16:05] - Currently using the new tracker, fixing stuff as we go [16:05] - Implemented donwload page [16:05] - Worked on some DB sanity check scripts, export/import scripts [16:05] - Working on migration of production server (still need to hear from IS) [16:05] - Dailies are now pushed automatically to the new tracker! [16:05] - Edubuntu [16:05] - Did a bunch of fixes on Sunday [16:05] - Doing ISO testing this week [16:05] - Networking [16:05] - Talked a bit with cyphermox about turning on privacy extensions, he had that turned on on his machine for a while without any problem [16:05] - Poked a bit harder at dnsmasq in Network Manager, found one bug that we'll need to have fixed (DNS not working when using a VPN for default gateway) [16:05] - Ifenslave update in my PPA, waiting to hear back from a customer for testing before uploading to Precise (bug 823366) [16:05] Launchpad bug 823366 in ifenslave-2.6 (Ubuntu) "bond_primary is ignored in /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/823366 [16:05] - Discovered that VLAN and bridging are as buggy as bonding, trying to find a solution for that which doesn't involve changing everything :) Details at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/754234/ [16:05] - Other [16:05] - Patch pilot on Monday, mostly spent cleaning up the queue from stuff that shouldn't be on it (got rid of 20-30 items) [16:05] - TODO [16:05] - Figure out how to get reliable networking in 12.04 (for complex networks) [16:05] - Look at the new ifupdown in Debian (beta2), isolate the fix for bug 876829 and SRU to Oneiric [16:05] Launchpad bug 876829 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Precise) "Oneiric's ifupdown breaks ip aliases" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876829 [16:05] - Still need to get my iSCSI test setup online again and then look at the merge... [16:06] (done) [16:07] stgraber: Are QA + server team aware of your findings yet btw? [16:07] stgraber: have you filed a bug about the dnsmasq VPN issue? [16:08] jhunt: gave the link to Clint and Daviey [16:08] cyphermox: doing that now :) [16:08] stgraber: cool. [16:08] stgraber: also, without issue is not quite right: I did run into connections blocking when the lifetime of the temporary address times out [16:08] doko: you're up [16:08] but that was when I was changing from the default lifetime to something like 30 minutes [16:09] cyphermox: bug 898224 [16:09] Launchpad bug 898224 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Wrong dnsmasq configuration when VPN is set as default gateway" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898224 [16:10] i guess we'll come back to doko [16:10] short week due to usa thanksgiving holiday; continuing w/python-dbus py3 porting, still fixing and debugging the stragglers in the test suite (upstream git has some similar failures), but will try to wrap up today or at least, migrate the patches to git and submit upstream. also: helped various folks with some packaging questions and issues (launchpadlib, and another one for a new employee). pypy discussions (packaging for [16:10] debian). done. [16:11] holiday(s) [16:11] working with bug reporting kit in arsenal [16:11] recreation and testing of bug 885442 regarding debconf and installer logs [16:11] Launchpad bug 885442 in debconf (Ubuntu) "Unable to dump debconf database" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885442 [16:11] work on bug reporting workflow diagram with cprofitt [16:11] update bug bot not to subscribe sponsors if an ubuntu-dev member added the patch [16:11] iso testing bug report review [16:11] fixed bug 887705 regarding warning about an unsupported release when upgrading to precise [16:11] Launchpad bug 887705 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "wrong warning about unsupported Ubuntu release when upgrading to precise" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887705 [16:11] done === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [16:12] #topic bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: bugs [16:13] bdmurray: what have you got for us today? [16:13] as previously mentioned there is some iso testing going on now [16:14] the new qa tracker has a new report of defects too and that is at [16:14] http://91.189.93.73/qatracker/reports/defects/opened [16:14] looking at that bug 897896 seems important [16:14] Launchpad bug 897896 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "keyboard layout wrong choosing a different language for live session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897896 [16:15] sorry, was still otp [16:16] doko: no worries. whenever you're ready [16:16] - eglibc-2.15; spent too much time to track down the dynamic loader issues, without success [16:16] - universe merges [16:16] - bring down MIR's and component mismatches [16:16] - finalized eglibc ARM multilib patch together with Steve McIntyre [16:16] (done) [16:17] thanks [16:17] anything else on bugs? [16:17] bdmurray: when does the qa tracker get a dns entry? :) [16:17] I thought stgraber said that was up to is right? [16:17] right [16:18] it's currently a canonistack instance, we hope to have production upgrade very soon [16:18] I'm also unsure about how to proceed now with bug 891711 [16:18] Launchpad bug 891711 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) ""Upgrade" from 11.10 to 11.04 results in a unusable system" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891711 [16:18] If you insert an 11.04 cd into an 11.10 system you are presented with an option to "upgrade" from 11.10 to 11.04 [16:19] uh, that's not a typo, right? [16:19] the same thing happens with 12.04 and 11.10 [16:19] no not a typo [16:20] It crashes when going from 11.10 to 11.04 and works, afaict, when going from 12.04 to 11.10 [16:20] However, I wonder if it really should appear there as an option at all [16:21] as it isn't tested [16:21] is downgrading even a supported workflow? [16:21] downgrading isn't supported, though IIRC the installer doesn't "downgrade" your system when you choose that [16:21] no, this use case wasn't envisioned [16:21] it essentially wipes the system, keeps your home and reinstalls it [16:22] except that some bits that are done on top of that seem to fail [16:22] but the old kernel is there and needs to be manually removed [16:22] I'm still not sure we should support that use case and if not, we really should make sure it doesn't appear in the installer (will only work when 12.10 is released though) [16:23] stgraber: exactly, although we could SRU ubiquity [16:23] but its not likely to help much [16:23] yeah, but that'd only work for the limited number of users who actually choose to upgrade ubiquity before installs === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [16:24] agreed that it probably shouldn't be an option [16:25] It shouldn't be an option because it doesn't work well? [16:25] It seems like there is some demand for doing this [16:25] it definitely shouldn't say "Upgrade 11.10 to 11.04" :) [16:25] well yes there is that [16:26] but even if it were renamed should it should appear at all? [16:27] if it's allowable, surely there's an opportunity for us to understand why they are downgrading? [16:27] i personally think not. even if it's a workflow that some folks legitimately want, it's likely not very common, and unless it's officially supported and tested, it probably shouldn't be an option (though some documentation can exist to show people how to do it, with all the caveats) [16:28] But maybe this is something we should work on for 12.10... [16:28] Or perhaps the real thing to do is to give people a way test the next release on their hardware better [16:29] that seems like a better idea to me [16:29] agreed [16:29] though, i don't know how to translate that into an action item ;) [16:30] well mvo had mentioned resurrecting the aufs upgrade tester in update-manager [16:31] bdmurray: do you know if there's an open bug for that? (lp is timing out for me) [16:31] not that I know of it was a discussion in a UDS session at UDS P [16:32] yeah, sorry, conflicting meeting [16:32] I have not actually tried it yet, but I can do that now and see how the aufs stuff goes for lucid->precise [16:33] I played with overlayfs and it looks pretty cool, but its not available yet in lucid [16:33] Does it generally work for oneiric->precise though? [16:33] so it will only be useful for oneiric->precise testing [16:33] well, overlayfs is not in trunk yet in u-m, but porting the existing code should be straightforward [16:33] * mvo had some proof-of-concept data for this [16:35] mvo: could you maybe open a bug on u-m and link a branch (even a prototype) to it? [16:35] Okay, so it seems like the upgrade from old release to new release should be removed from ubiquity then [16:35] er from new to old [16:36] barry: yes, can do. and I will test the aufs lucid->precise one now [16:36] I'll submit a separate bug for that and leave 891711 === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha [16:36] bdmurray, mvo thanks [16:36] #topic aob === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: aob [16:36] anything else y'all want to bring up? [16:38] going once [16:38] going twice [16:39] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:39] Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 16:39:13 2011 UTC. [16:39] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-30-16.00.moin.txt [16:39] thanks everyone! [16:39] thanks! [16:39] thanks [16:59] hello everyone, we are about to start the new QA meeting [17:00] o/ [17:00] :) [17:00] o/ [17:00] #startmeeting QA Meeting [17:00] Meeting started Wed Nov 30 17:00:29 2011 UTC. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: [17:00] hi everyone and welcome to the new QA meeting [17:01] I have seen jibel, nuclearbob and charlie-tca already present, anyone else? [17:01] * phillw is here :) [17:01] o/ [17:01] hi phillw and patrickmw ! [17:01] ok, so we will get started and welcome anyone that joins later [17:02] * alourie is present [17:02] since this is a new meeting, we don't have previous actions (hi alourie :) [17:02] but only as a listener for now [17:02] alourie: no problem [17:02] gema: no problem [17:02] and hi [17:02] let's get on discussing the agenda from now on [17:02] #topic Discuss new agenda === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Discuss new agenda [17:03] you can see a proposal of agenda that I put together for today in the meeting page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings [17:03] this is just for today, but I think the blueprints update is something we should keep [17:03] do you guys have more topics to add to the agenda? [17:04] charlie-tca: would you like to have a section where you give an update regarding the testing for your distro? [17:05] if so, how shall we name that item? [17:05] Not today [17:05] ok, but going forward? [17:06] If it will be benificial to know what the Xubuntu tests show, yes [17:06] we can do the same for lubuntu, if our team wishes so (we have a meeting tonight, so I will ask their views). [17:06] I believe it is important to see the correlation yes [17:06] ok, phillw [17:07] so I will add a section for status of the different derivatives as well as for Ubuntu [17:07] well, for now for Xubuntu and lubuntu [17:07] I cut a finger bad yesterdAY, am only partly here today [17:07] charlie-tca: I am sorry to hear :( [17:08] sorry to hear charlie-tca :( [17:08] Thanks. Will do my beST ANYway [17:08] no worries, we read you very well, take care :) [17:08] #action gema to add lubuntu and Xubuntu testing updates to the agenda [17:08] ACTION: gema to add lubuntu and Xubuntu testing updates to the agenda [17:09] anything else you'd like to add/remove from the current proposed agenda? [17:10] ok, so we'll leave there for now and review it as we go along, then [17:10] #topic Blueprints Update for Precise === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Blueprints Update for Precise [17:11] now we'll go through all the blueprints that we are working on and give a quick update on them any questions fire as we go along so that we don't lose context [17:11] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-builds-smoke-testing [17:11] we have made available this page for everyone to see Precise automated testing results: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/ [17:11] patrickmw: do you want to explain briefly what is there? [17:12] sure [17:13] currently there are the automated ISO installer tests, DX unit tests, unity merge tests, boot speed tests and I'm sure I'm missing something [17:13] more builds get added weekly [17:13] ah upgrade tests [17:13] o/ [17:13] go ahead, alourie [17:14] is there a way to see these tests? To find out what is being done and how to participate in them, if possible? [17:14] to contribute? [17:14] .. [17:14] yes [17:15] I don't there is a central location, but we can list the launchpad projects on the wiki [17:15] that'd be great [17:15] can I give you an action to compile that list to you patrickmw? [17:15] yes [17:16] o/ (question for alourie ) [17:16] jibel: sure [17:16] #action patrickmw to publish a list of launchpad projects that conform our automated testing in jenkins [17:16] ACTION: patrickmw to publish a list of launchpad projects that conform our automated testing in jenkins [17:16] go for it jibel [17:16] which type of tests would you like to contribute to ? [17:17] iso testing, package testing, ... ? [17:17] jibel: well, anything. I just want this all to be as transparent as possible for possible contributors to join [17:17] me including [17:17] ok thanks [17:18] I would be probably good for ISO testing [17:18] but others may be more apt for other types [17:18] .. [17:18] excellent, alourie, thanks for the idea and for wanting to contribute [17:19] we need as much help as we can get [17:19] sure [17:19] so there is more stuff going on in this blueprint.. let me see [17:19] we are in the process of updating the documentation to be able to interpret the results and troubleshoot failures (information available in the blueprint) [17:19] we also are working on a new tagging scheme that will allow us to assess the quality of the automated testing, we are going to start using [17:20] in the canonical-platform-qa team, these tags for the automated testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/TestingTypeAndBugTracking [17:20] we want to make sure we can assess the quality of these tests we are going to be running and improve them over time [17:20] that's all I have, anything else anyone? [17:21] good, moving on then [17:21] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-boot-speed-testing [17:21] patrickmw ? [17:21] * Results available here: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/ [17:21] * Jobs available here: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Boot%20Speed/ [17:21] * Job failures due to NFS boot breaking on yesterdays ISOs. Bug submitted. [17:21] * Currently generating benchmark bootcharts for each system (lucid, maverick, natty, oneiric) and they will be available on the Boot Speed Report this week [17:21] * Following up on NFS Boot bug and will try to run boot speed tests today [17:21] .. [17:21] cool, let's give some time to people to read in case there is any question [17:22] nothing.. then moving on [17:22] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-kernel-sru [17:22] hggdh: do you have an update on this? [17:23] * alourie has to leave to put the baby to sleep, hopefully get back in time. :-) [17:23] what I know is what is on the blueprint, that sconklin is working on running rteval tests and trying to package them [17:24] I will try to get more feedback for next week [17:24] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-standard-sru-testing [17:24] jibel ? [17:25] nothing from me on this topic this week [17:25] ok [17:25] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-test-case-management-tool [17:25] jibel installed an internal instance of litmus and we are evaluating its viability to use for handling our test cases, [17:25] we are in the process of setting up an instance that the community can also use and evaluate but we are undergoing review of the tool, etc, by the IS team [17:26] it will hopefully be ready soon and we will let you know in this meeting [17:26] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-qa-regression-testing [17:26] nuclearbob: ? [17:27] I've got an autotest package building in my ppa [17:27] I'm getting that improved and tested on openstack instances, once we get the new lab hardware in, we should be able to get those tests running automatically on new instances ona regular basis [17:28] and we can get xml output from that to feed into jenkins [17:28] so we will be able to see results in jenkins then [17:28] yep [17:28] excellent, thanks [17:28] anything else from you? [17:28] nope [17:28] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-automated-test-submissions [17:29] patrickmw: ? [17:29] work has started, nothing to report [17:29] ok, thanks [17:29] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-backlog [17:29] this blueprint is to keep track of all sorts of bits and pieces that we are doing but are not part of the big items we are working on [17:29] if there is any question please send us an email and we'll address it [17:30] amongst other things we are going to be rewriting the bits and pieces that are obsolete in the ubuntu QA wiki, if anyone wants to collaborate, [17:30] you are more than welcome! [17:30] just let us know so that we can coordinate the effort [17:30] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-test-case-definition [17:30] we discussed a test case definition at UDS and I proposed it to the CoP in canonical, they were happy with it and decided to embrace [17:30] that test case definition and start using it widely [17:31] so any test cases from now on will probably have that format [17:31] this blueprint is finished now, so I will make it disappear from our list of topics to discuss [17:31] o/ [17:31] go ahead, charlie-tca [17:31] Is that format available somwplace for community to use? [17:31] indeed, just a sec [17:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestCase [17:32] Thank you [17:32] we will be putting all the links to all the new content in place, because the wiki is becoming very difficult to navigate [17:32] no problem [17:32] #subtopic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-qa-metrics [17:33] we haven't started working on this yet, so nothing to report this week [17:33] that is it in terms of blueprints, now the big topic of the week [17:33] #topic Alpha-1 Testing === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Alpha-1 Testing [17:33] jibel: ? [17:34] alpha 1 is due tomorrow, coverage could be better, here it is: === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [17:34] Edubuntu 50.00% [17:34] Kubuntu 5.56% [17:34] Lubuntu 42.86% [17:34] Mythbuntu Untested [17:34] Ubuntu 56.63% [17:34] Ubuntu Server 80.00% [17:34] Xubuntu 50.00% [17:34] For Ubuntu, architectures mac and powerpc are untested which explains the low coverage. [17:34] Derivatives (especially Kubuntu) need your help for A1 testing. [17:34] No release blocker bug found at the moment. [17:35] The list of defects is available at http://91.189.93.73/qatracker/reports/defects/opened [17:35] One is particularly annoying (bug 894768) it's easily reproducible in VMs but we have one report where it fails on hardware. [17:35] Launchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894768 [17:35] If you've spare hardware and can install Ubuntu Precise Desktop _i386_ on it, then you can try to confirm this bug. that would help a lot. [17:36] For this milestone we are using a new version of the iso tracker rewritten in Drupal 7, thanks to stgraber [17:36] Details on ubuntu-devel mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-November/034495.html [17:36] .. [17:36] questions ? [17:36] or comments [17:37] doesn't look like it [17:37] thanks for the update, jibel [17:37] help [17:37] ignore... [17:38] ok... [17:38] so moving on [17:38] #topic Other Topics === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | QA Meeting Meeting | Current topic: Other Topics [17:38] any other topics or issues you'd like to bring up? [17:39] regarding the chairing of the meeting, I think we shouldn't force people to do it with a shuff [17:39] if someone wants they can, if not, I will be doing it [17:40] or if I am not able to , I hope someone will volunteer :D [17:40] but I think forcing people to chair may have detracted some collaborators from showing up [17:40] just a theory [17:40] gema: I'll cover chairing if needed in an emergency :) [17:41] I will try to put an agenda that makes sense for next week and then I will offer the chairing of the next meeting in case anyone wants to do it the week after next [17:41] thanks a lot, phillw :) [17:41] ok, so any thoughts regarding the new format, better, worse, are we missing anything? [17:41] its good [17:41] yeah [17:42] I think if we're missing anything it'll come up and we can add it [17:42] yep, I am very glad that so many new faces were here today [17:42] +1 [17:42] let's keep the momentum going and see if we can build a good QA community around this meeting :) [17:43] thank you everyone for your time, see you next week! [17:43] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:43] Meeting ended Wed Nov 30 17:43:46 2011 UTC. [17:43] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-30-17.00.moin.txt [17:43] Tank you for chairing [17:44] gema: thansk for chairing [17:44] thanks you gema [17:44] not a problem , thank you for coming and staying for the whole thing :D [17:44] I am staying to the bugs one now, because I need to tell them about our new tagging x) [17:45] gema: just on the thoughts of progress from Lubuntu, our head of Devel did issue an email each week on progress last cycle. If he is doing same this cycle, would you like it linked to the Lubuntu area on the testing area? [17:45] I always come in at the end of meetings or just after them... [17:45] hiyas tenach LTNS :) [17:46] Hi there phillw! Yeah, it really has been. [17:46] phillw: is this report about testing or about development strictly? [17:46] tenach: you'll make it next week , I am sure! [17:46] it covers a summary of known bugs etc. [17:46] gema: Yeah! I'm sure I will too. [17:46] phillw: maybe you could forward that to the ubuntu-qa list [17:47] phillw: so that we all benefit from it [17:47] I'll ask Julien at 20:00 UTC :) [17:47] phillw: cool :) [17:48] he he, just had to check, it is being held on here.. [17:49] yep,no probs [18:00] hello! [18:00] hi [18:00] hi pedro_ [18:00] o/ [18:00] lets start with the meeting [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] Meeting started Wed Nov 30 18:00:51 2011 UTC. The chair is pedro_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [18:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:01] Welcome to our first Bugs meeting ! [18:01] o/ [18:01] as you might know the QA meeting was divided in two so this is the second part of it [18:01] * alourie is back [18:01] ah [18:01] missed it [18:01] The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meetings [18:02] is the bugs meeting weekly now at this time? the wiki is inconsistent on that [18:02] there's not much items there so if you have any please keep it for the 'Others topics' topic [18:03] mfisch, yeah we need to update it based on a discussion ie: should we keep the monthly bugsquad meeting or not? [18:03] ok so first topic [18:03] [TOPIC] Previous Actions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Previous Actions [18:03] there was no previous actions so lets continue [18:04] [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Engineering Team Bug Status [18:04] bdmurray, Ursinha anything you'd like to share? [18:04] nothing in particular :) [18:04] I fixed a bug yesterday which is a bit odd [18:05] bug 887705 [18:05] Launchpad bug 887705 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "wrong warning about unsupported Ubuntu release when upgrading to precise" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887705 [18:05] The gist of it is that update-manager reads infromation from meta-release files on changelogs.ubuntu.com to determine what releases are supported etec [18:06] so while you see the bug in update-manager it requires a fix in those files [18:06] kind of wacky and I thought that might be good to know [18:07] I've also been working with cprofitt on a bug reporting workflow diagram [18:09] There may very well be duplicates of bug 894768 being reported [18:09] Launchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894768 [18:09] because it fails with different files bugs require manual inspection [18:10] that's all I have [18:10] i was pinged by our QA folks regarding a failures they were seeing during the upgrade testing [18:10] so in the end it was bug 893826 [18:10]