| pangolin | beuno, czajkowski Just wanted to say congrats on your appointments to CC (little late) and welcome to the channel. | 00:39 |
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| pangolin | err better late then never :) | 00:40 |
| elky | jussi, are you aware you have a guest jussi in here from an ubottu gateway? | 00:41 |
| genii-around | I don't have enough energy left at this point in the day to try and tell niftylettuce about devices and mountpoints... bleh... | 00:54 |
| tonyyarusso | Apparently not enough energy to maintain an IRC connection either :P | 02:17 |
| CarlFK | Salty_nick is setting of my troll-dar | 03:22 |
| urlin2u | please take a lokk at Staly_Nick at 19:55 and their choice of words | 03:57 |
| urlin2u | @#ubuntu | 03:58 |
| CarlFK | urlin2u: yeah, I have been watching... | 03:58 |
| CarlFK | not thrilled. | 03:58 |
| CarlFK | I made up the word troll-dar just now | 03:59 |
| pangolin | CarlFK: do you have +o in #kubuntu, if so he is in there also | 03:59 |
| CarlFK | pangolin: doubt it. | 04:00 |
| CarlFK | ill take a look | 04:00 |
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| ubottu | In ubottu, theadmin said: !restoregrub is <reply> Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub | 10:22 |
| sagaci | just signed into IRC and got a PM from Lora, [21:23]<Lora>hii sex http://msnlive.info.ms | 10:25 |
| sagaci | looks like in #ubuntu | 10:25 |
| ikonia | I was just dealing with that now | 10:25 |
| ikonia | there you go, that should be sorted now | 10:25 |
| sagaci | righteo then | 10:25 |
| ikonia | hello theadmin | 10:27 |
| theadmin | Hey ikonia | 10:27 |
| ikonia | what's up ? (I was just reading your factoid push) | 10:28 |
| theadmin | ikonia: Well, see, we have the !grub factioid which also contains the link, however sometimes I thought it may be useful to only give the "RestoreGrub" link to avoid confusing people with the other ones. | 10:28 |
| ikonia | i was just reading the restoregrub one, and I don't like the document | 10:29 |
| ikonia | I agree with what you're saying a seperate factoid would be a good idea to split it out though | 10:29 |
| theadmin | ikonia: Yeah the document is a mess but I think it's the best we have? | 10:30 |
| ikonia | well.....that's not a green light to use it | 10:30 |
| ikonia | would it be possible to work on a new document a MUCH better document | 10:30 |
| ikonia | then link it | 10:30 |
| theadmin | Well, I might, if only I had *any* experience with grub2 -- I was horrified the moment I saw the config file and switched away to the old grub | 10:30 |
| ikonia | well, I can help you with chunks of it | 10:32 |
| ikonia | get the layout / structure sorted out, then we can fill in the technical details | 10:33 |
| theadmin | Hm, well, I must get myself an Ubuntu wiki account first I suppose. | 10:33 |
| ikonia | that is a good starting point.....yes | 10:33 |
| ikonia | there is another document I think is needed to marry this one up which is about ubuntu's grub2 install being useless for dual booting linux distros, more a warning that ties in with this one | 10:34 |
| theadmin | Oh, wait, it uses Launchpad accounts, hm... I think I had one | 10:34 |
| ikonia | a fair chunk of the re-install grub problems are arrising from people trying to dual boot | 10:34 |
| theadmin | ikonia: "useless for dual-booting Linux distros"? How so? | 10:35 |
| ikonia | well, the fact that the control files are held in /etc | 10:35 |
| theadmin | ikonia: Nothing stops you from writing something custom in /etc/grub.d/ and running update-grub | 10:36 |
| ikonia | it does from other distros | 10:36 |
| ikonia | as the other distros can't access /etc/grub on the ubuntu system | 10:36 |
| ikonia | but that's a seperate page | 10:36 |
| theadmin | ikonia: err... oh... I see. | 10:36 |
| ikonia | I think those two pages a warning/limitation page and a how to restore would be really useful | 10:37 |
| theadmin | Well, it currently does show how to recover with many various methods... | 10:38 |
| ikonia | it's not great and I don't think we should be using the other external CD's | 10:38 |
| theadmin | non-ubuntu ones are a bad idea here indeed | 10:39 |
| ikonia | it bascially gives you 1 command, | 10:39 |
| ikonia | it doesn't explain what to do, what the output should be, how to trouble shoot, how to (more advanced) use the grub shell to fix any issues | 10:39 |
| ikonia | that's what I mean by a better docuemnt | 10:40 |
| ikonia | document even | 10:40 |
| theadmin | ikonia: Yeah, my point exactly, wasn't sure if that's normal for an Ubuntu doc, I mean... I'm not into that, I usually get my info from the ArchWiki xD | 10:40 |
| ikonia | the ubuntu docs in the wiki vary from excellent to very poor | 10:40 |
| ikonia | hard to keep track on them all, but the link you've raised through the factoid is something (in my view) that's worth updating and doing a better job with | 10:41 |
| theadmin | It won't let me sign in, acts weirdly | 10:42 |
| theadmin | (I click "Sign on and continue", it goes back to the main page saying I'm signed in, but when I navigate to the article it appears I am signed off... hm) | 10:42 |
| ikonia | odd | 10:42 |
| theadmin | *hits Ctrl-F5* there we go, much better | 10:43 |
| ikonia | if you'll spend a bit of time doing a usable layout, eg: introduction, where to get the official tools, preperation, do some stuff, trouble shooting. I'll then help you fill it in with some content | 10:44 |
| ikonia | once that's done we can change the factoid and then look at maybe adding a more advanced section | 10:45 |
| theadmin | K, I'm working on it, give me a while | 10:46 |
| ikonia | no rush | 10:46 |
| ikonia | just send me a pm or ping me and we'll get on it | 10:46 |
| ikonia | I've not wrote any grub2 documentation yet so it will be a good way to brain dump, also Jordan_U has put in a big ammount of effort with grub2, so getting some input and opinions from him would be useful | 10:47 |
| theadmin | Hey um, what's the official spelling: "Software Center" or "Software Centre"? | 10:48 |
| ikonia | you're asking a UK guy, bad idea | 10:48 |
| theadmin | By "official" I mean the one used in Ubuntu when LANG=C | 10:48 |
| ikonia | we can always fix things like that later at review | 10:48 |
| ikonia | don't worry massive about that sort of thing | 10:48 |
| theadmin | Oh okay | 10:48 |
| theadmin | ikonia: Did you by any chance set your client to ignore pms from me? xD I can't seem to reach you there | 11:04 |
| theadmin | ikonia: I haven't saved it yet, by the way, um, I don't think it's ready enough to do so | 11:05 |
| theadmin | ikonia: Current state, more or less: https://pzt.me/7kuk | 11:06 |
| ikonia | nope, was just away from desk scanning things | 11:07 |
| tonyyarusso | I wish I actually knew what Fair Use law was on remixing works on YouTube. | 11:38 |
| jussi | tonyyarusso: the wikipedia article has some pretty good info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use | 12:04 |
| ikonia | !restoregrub is <reply> Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub | 12:28 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that, ikonia | 12:28 |
| ikonia | !restoregrub | 12:28 |
| ubottu | Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub | 12:28 |
| ikonia | Jordan_U: when you get chance could you review that page, put a cleaner basic update on but would like to grow it | 12:29 |
| ikonia | personally I'm not a fan of putting the boot-repair tools in there | 12:29 |
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| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Guest97529) | 16:57 |
| oCean | trolls :( | 16:59 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, theadmin said: !teamviewer is <reply> Teamviewer is a simple, ID-based remote control and support app. It's source-code is currently closed. TeamViewer deb packages can be downloaded at the official site, http://teamviewer.com . You may also obtain additional information there. Beware: TeamViewer uses !wine internally to run. | 17:13 |
| popey | 'currently' | 17:15 |
| * oCean shrugs | 17:21 | |
| ubottu | FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (ken____ appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 17:21 |
| ubottu | FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (ken____ appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 17:21 |
| Jordan_U | ikonia: The terminal instructions in the new grub page will not work. I'm working from my cellphone so I can't easily edit it now. "grub-install /dev/sda" is the same as "grub-install --boot-directory=/boot/ /dev/sda". In a LiveCD environment "/boot" is the squashfs/aufs, not /boot directory of the target system. | 20:18 |
| Jordan_U | ikonia: They can be fixed by adding instructions to mount the target system and pass the correct --boot-directory option or by chrooting in. | 20:19 |
| Resistance | i'm tryin to figure out whether #kubuntu has its own ops channel, does it? or is this where stuff for it gets reported | 20:59 |
| Resistance | (if the ops trigger is used) | 20:59 |
| jussi | Resistance: nah, the highlights come here | 21:02 |
| Resistance | i see | 21:02 |
| Pici | Resistance: this channel serves all the Ubuntu core channels (#kubuntu included). The ops trigger is customized for #kubuntu to list ops that have access there. | 21:03 |
| Resistance | i caught someone in #kubuntu asking a question that pertained to illegal acts (see !illegal)... | 21:03 |
| Resistance | i was hesitant to trigger the ops signal, but meh | 21:03 |
| Resistance | thanks, jussi, Pici. | 21:05 |
| ubottu | Resistance called the ops in #kubuntu () | 21:09 |
| Pici | handled | 21:09 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, orzel said: ubottu: no crash, i just choosed 'z' when aptitude was asking about a config file conflict. 'z' stands to 'suspend update to check the file. File is checked, but i dont know how to go back to the aptitude process that held the lock on db | 21:26 |
| Pici | I'm going home, anyone here to look at ryaxnb and tensorpudding in #u-ot? | 21:35 |
| Myrtti | if I have to, but my concentration is vaning fast | 21:36 |
| oCean | again with the phones? :( | 21:36 |
| Myrtti | it's ryaxnb | 21:36 |
| Myrtti | what did you expect | 21:36 |
| oCean | yeah, my bad | 21:36 |
| oCean | If we only could ban 1 topic for a year... | 21:37 |
| elky | "stupid stuff" is a topic, yes? | 21:37 |
| oCean | elky: is that a trick question? | 21:37 |
| oCean | wait | 21:38 |
| oCean | http://i.imgur.com/kxBpi.gif | 21:38 |
| bastidrazor | can you please revive ubottu. | 23:20 |
| elky | !ping | 23:21 |
| elky | jussi, ^ | 23:21 |
| bastidrazor | thank you :) | 23:21 |
| elky | jussi01, ^ | 23:21 |
| Resistance | i take it ubottu exploded? | 23:52 |
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| Resistance | Guest40382, i take it fixing ubottu is top priority? | 23:53 |
| Myrtti | probably not at this hour when it's almost 2am in where he is :-/ | 23:54 |
| Resistance | well then that's problematic :P | 23:54 |
| Resistance | i kinda needed to quote one of its factoids | 23:54 |
| Resistance | specifically the one which has the unsupported derivatives thing | 23:55 |
| Resistance | the one that !crunchbang calls :P | 23:56 |
| Myrtti | c'est la vie | 23:56 |
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