[00:39] beuno, czajkowski Just wanted to say congrats on your appointments to CC (little late) and welcome to the channel. [00:40] err better late then never :) [00:41] jussi, are you aware you have a guest jussi in here from an ubottu gateway? [00:54] I don't have enough energy left at this point in the day to try and tell niftylettuce about devices and mountpoints... bleh... [02:17] Apparently not enough energy to maintain an IRC connection either :P [03:22] Salty_nick is setting of my troll-dar [03:57] please take a lokk at Staly_Nick at 19:55 and their choice of words [03:58] @#ubuntu [03:58] urlin2u: yeah, I have been watching... [03:58] not thrilled. [03:59] I made up the word troll-dar just now [03:59] CarlFK: do you have +o in #kubuntu, if so he is in there also [04:00] pangolin: doubt it. [04:00] ill take a look === Guest44296 is now known as jussi01 [10:22] In ubottu, theadmin said: !restoregrub is Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub [10:25] just signed into IRC and got a PM from Lora, [21:23] hii sex http://msnlive.info.ms [10:25] looks like in #ubuntu [10:25] I was just dealing with that now [10:25] there you go, that should be sorted now [10:25] righteo then [10:27] hello theadmin [10:27] Hey ikonia [10:28] what's up ? (I was just reading your factoid push) [10:28] ikonia: Well, see, we have the !grub factioid which also contains the link, however sometimes I thought it may be useful to only give the "RestoreGrub" link to avoid confusing people with the other ones. [10:29] i was just reading the restoregrub one, and I don't like the document [10:29] I agree with what you're saying a seperate factoid would be a good idea to split it out though [10:30] ikonia: Yeah the document is a mess but I think it's the best we have? [10:30] well.....that's not a green light to use it [10:30] would it be possible to work on a new document a MUCH better document [10:30] then link it [10:30] Well, I might, if only I had *any* experience with grub2 -- I was horrified the moment I saw the config file and switched away to the old grub [10:32] well, I can help you with chunks of it [10:33] get the layout / structure sorted out, then we can fill in the technical details [10:33] Hm, well, I must get myself an Ubuntu wiki account first I suppose. [10:33] that is a good starting point.....yes [10:34] there is another document I think is needed to marry this one up which is about ubuntu's grub2 install being useless for dual booting linux distros, more a warning that ties in with this one [10:34] Oh, wait, it uses Launchpad accounts, hm... I think I had one [10:34] a fair chunk of the re-install grub problems are arrising from people trying to dual boot [10:35] ikonia: "useless for dual-booting Linux distros"? How so? [10:35] well, the fact that the control files are held in /etc [10:36] ikonia: Nothing stops you from writing something custom in /etc/grub.d/ and running update-grub [10:36] it does from other distros [10:36] as the other distros can't access /etc/grub on the ubuntu system [10:36] but that's a seperate page [10:36] ikonia: err... oh... I see. [10:37] I think those two pages a warning/limitation page and a how to restore would be really useful [10:38] Well, it currently does show how to recover with many various methods... [10:38] it's not great and I don't think we should be using the other external CD's [10:39] non-ubuntu ones are a bad idea here indeed [10:39] it bascially gives you 1 command, [10:39] it doesn't explain what to do, what the output should be, how to trouble shoot, how to (more advanced) use the grub shell to fix any issues [10:40] that's what I mean by a better docuemnt [10:40] document even [10:40] ikonia: Yeah, my point exactly, wasn't sure if that's normal for an Ubuntu doc, I mean... I'm not into that, I usually get my info from the ArchWiki xD [10:40] the ubuntu docs in the wiki vary from excellent to very poor [10:41] hard to keep track on them all, but the link you've raised through the factoid is something (in my view) that's worth updating and doing a better job with [10:42] It won't let me sign in, acts weirdly [10:42] (I click "Sign on and continue", it goes back to the main page saying I'm signed in, but when I navigate to the article it appears I am signed off... hm) [10:42] odd [10:43] *hits Ctrl-F5* there we go, much better [10:44] if you'll spend a bit of time doing a usable layout, eg: introduction, where to get the official tools, preperation, do some stuff, trouble shooting. I'll then help you fill it in with some content [10:45] once that's done we can change the factoid and then look at maybe adding a more advanced section [10:46] K, I'm working on it, give me a while [10:46] no rush [10:46] just send me a pm or ping me and we'll get on it [10:47] I've not wrote any grub2 documentation yet so it will be a good way to brain dump, also Jordan_U has put in a big ammount of effort with grub2, so getting some input and opinions from him would be useful [10:48] Hey um, what's the official spelling: "Software Center" or "Software Centre"? [10:48] you're asking a UK guy, bad idea [10:48] By "official" I mean the one used in Ubuntu when LANG=C [10:48] we can always fix things like that later at review [10:48] don't worry massive about that sort of thing [10:48] Oh okay [11:04] ikonia: Did you by any chance set your client to ignore pms from me? xD I can't seem to reach you there [11:05] ikonia: I haven't saved it yet, by the way, um, I don't think it's ready enough to do so [11:06] ikonia: Current state, more or less: https://pzt.me/7kuk [11:07] nope, was just away from desk scanning things [11:38] I wish I actually knew what Fair Use law was on remixing works on YouTube. [12:04] tonyyarusso: the wikipedia article has some pretty good info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use [12:28] !restoregrub is Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub [12:28] I'll remember that, ikonia [12:28] !restoregrub [12:28] Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub [12:29] Jordan_U: when you get chance could you review that page, put a cleaner basic update on but would like to grow it [12:29] personally I'm not a fan of putting the boot-repair tools in there === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [16:57] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Guest97529) [16:59] trolls :( [17:13] In ubottu, theadmin said: !teamviewer is Teamviewer is a simple, ID-based remote control and support app. It's source-code is currently closed. TeamViewer deb packages can be downloaded at the official site, http://teamviewer.com . You may also obtain additional information there. Beware: TeamViewer uses !wine internally to run. [17:15] 'currently' [17:21] * oCean shrugs [17:21] FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (ken____ appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) [17:21] FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (ken____ appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) [20:18] ikonia: The terminal instructions in the new grub page will not work. I'm working from my cellphone so I can't easily edit it now. "grub-install /dev/sda" is the same as "grub-install --boot-directory=/boot/ /dev/sda". In a LiveCD environment "/boot" is the squashfs/aufs, not /boot directory of the target system. [20:19] ikonia: They can be fixed by adding instructions to mount the target system and pass the correct --boot-directory option or by chrooting in. [20:59] i'm tryin to figure out whether #kubuntu has its own ops channel, does it? or is this where stuff for it gets reported [20:59] (if the ops trigger is used) [21:02] Resistance: nah, the highlights come here [21:02] i see [21:03] Resistance: this channel serves all the Ubuntu core channels (#kubuntu included). The ops trigger is customized for #kubuntu to list ops that have access there. [21:03] i caught someone in #kubuntu asking a question that pertained to illegal acts (see !illegal)... [21:03] i was hesitant to trigger the ops signal, but meh [21:05] thanks, jussi, Pici. [21:09] Resistance called the ops in #kubuntu () [21:09] handled [21:26] In #ubuntu, orzel said: ubottu: no crash, i just choosed 'z' when aptitude was asking about a config file conflict. 'z' stands to 'suspend update to check the file. File is checked, but i dont know how to go back to the aptitude process that held the lock on db [21:35] I'm going home, anyone here to look at ryaxnb and tensorpudding in #u-ot? [21:36] if I have to, but my concentration is vaning fast [21:36] again with the phones? :( [21:36] it's ryaxnb [21:36] what did you expect [21:36] yeah, my bad [21:37] If we only could ban 1 topic for a year... [21:37] "stupid stuff" is a topic, yes? [21:37] elky: is that a trick question? [21:38] wait [21:38] http://i.imgur.com/kxBpi.gif [23:20] can you please revive ubottu. [23:21] !ping [23:21] jussi, ^ [23:21] thank you :) [23:21] jussi01, ^ [23:52] i take it ubottu exploded? === jussi01 is now known as Guest40382 [23:53] Guest40382, i take it fixing ubottu is top priority? [23:54] probably not at this hour when it's almost 2am in where he is :-/ [23:54] well then that's problematic :P [23:54] i kinda needed to quote one of its factoids [23:55] specifically the one which has the unsupported derivatives thing [23:56] the one that !crunchbang calls :P [23:56] c'est la vie