[00:39] <pangolin> beuno, czajkowski Just wanted to say congrats on your appointments to CC (little late) and welcome to the channel.
[00:40] <pangolin> err better late then never :)
[00:41] <elky> jussi, are you aware you have a guest jussi in here from an ubottu gateway?
[00:54] <genii-around> I don't have enough energy left at this point in the day to try and tell niftylettuce about devices and mountpoints... bleh...
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> Apparently not enough energy to maintain an IRC connection either :P
[03:22] <CarlFK> Salty_nick is setting of my troll-dar
[03:57] <urlin2u> please take a lokk at Staly_Nick at 19:55 and their choice of words
[03:58] <urlin2u> @#ubuntu
[03:58] <CarlFK> urlin2u: yeah, I have been watching...
[03:58] <CarlFK> not thrilled.
[03:59] <CarlFK> I made up the word troll-dar just now
[03:59] <pangolin> CarlFK: do you have +o in #kubuntu, if so he is in there also
[04:00] <CarlFK> pangolin: doubt it.
[04:00] <CarlFK> ill take a look
[10:25] <sagaci> just signed into IRC and got a PM from Lora, [21:23]	<Lora>	hii sex http://msnlive.info.ms
[10:25] <sagaci> looks like in #ubuntu
[10:25] <ikonia> I was just dealing with that now
[10:25] <ikonia> there you go, that should be sorted now
[10:25] <sagaci> righteo then
[10:27] <ikonia> hello theadmin
[10:27] <theadmin> Hey ikonia
[10:28] <ikonia> what's up ? (I was just reading your factoid push)
[10:28] <theadmin> ikonia: Well, see, we have the !grub factioid which also contains the link, however sometimes I thought it may be useful to only give the "RestoreGrub" link to avoid confusing people with the other ones.
[10:29] <ikonia> i was just reading the restoregrub one, and I don't like the document
[10:29] <ikonia> I agree with what you're saying a seperate factoid would be a good idea to split it out though
[10:30] <theadmin> ikonia: Yeah the document is a mess but I think it's the best we have?
[10:30] <ikonia> well.....that's not a green light to use it
[10:30] <ikonia> would it be possible to work on a new document a MUCH better document
[10:30] <ikonia> then link it
[10:30] <theadmin> Well, I might, if only I had *any* experience with grub2 -- I was horrified the moment I saw the config file and switched away to the old grub
[10:32] <ikonia> well, I can help you with chunks of it
[10:33] <ikonia> get the layout / structure sorted out, then we can fill in the technical details
[10:33] <theadmin> Hm, well, I must get myself an Ubuntu wiki account first I suppose.
[10:33] <ikonia> that is a good starting point.....yes
[10:34] <ikonia> there is another document I think is needed to marry this one up which is about ubuntu's grub2 install being useless for dual booting linux distros, more a warning that ties in with this one
[10:34] <theadmin> Oh, wait, it uses Launchpad accounts, hm... I think I had one
[10:34] <ikonia> a fair chunk of the re-install grub problems are arrising from people trying to dual boot
[10:35] <theadmin> ikonia: "useless for dual-booting Linux distros"? How so?
[10:35] <ikonia> well, the fact that the control files are held in /etc
[10:36] <theadmin> ikonia: Nothing stops you from writing something custom in /etc/grub.d/ and running update-grub
[10:36] <ikonia> it does from other distros
[10:36] <ikonia> as the other distros can't access /etc/grub on the ubuntu system
[10:36] <ikonia> but that's a seperate page
[10:36] <theadmin> ikonia: err... oh... I see.
[10:37] <ikonia> I think those two pages a warning/limitation page and a how to restore would be really useful
[10:38] <theadmin> Well, it currently does show how to recover with many various methods...
[10:38] <ikonia> it's not great and I don't think we should be using the other external CD's
[10:39] <theadmin> non-ubuntu ones are a bad idea here indeed
[10:39] <ikonia> it bascially gives you 1 command,
[10:39] <ikonia> it doesn't explain what to do, what the output should be, how to trouble shoot, how to (more advanced) use the grub shell to fix any issues
[10:40] <ikonia> that's what I mean by a better docuemnt
[10:40] <ikonia> document even
[10:40] <theadmin> ikonia: Yeah, my point exactly, wasn't sure if that's normal for an Ubuntu doc, I mean... I'm not into that, I usually get my info from the ArchWiki xD
[10:40] <ikonia> the ubuntu docs in the wiki vary from excellent to very poor
[10:41] <ikonia> hard to keep track on them all, but the link you've raised through the factoid is something (in my view) that's worth updating and doing a better job with
[10:42] <theadmin> It won't let me sign in, acts weirdly
[10:42] <theadmin> (I click "Sign on and continue", it goes back to the main page saying I'm signed in, but when I navigate to the article it appears I am signed off... hm)
[10:42] <ikonia> odd
[10:43] <theadmin> *hits Ctrl-F5* there we go, much better
[10:44] <ikonia> if you'll spend a bit of time doing a usable layout, eg: introduction, where to get the official tools, preperation, do some stuff, trouble shooting. I'll then help you fill it in with some content
[10:45] <ikonia> once that's done we can change the factoid and then look at maybe adding a more advanced section
[10:46] <theadmin> K, I'm working on it, give me a while
[10:46] <ikonia> no rush
[10:46] <ikonia> just send me a pm or ping me and we'll get on it
[10:47] <ikonia> I've not wrote any grub2 documentation yet so it will be a good way to brain dump, also Jordan_U has put in a big ammount of effort with grub2, so getting some input and opinions from him would be useful
[10:48] <theadmin> Hey um, what's the official spelling: "Software Center" or "Software Centre"?
[10:48] <ikonia> you're asking a UK guy, bad idea
[10:48] <theadmin> By "official" I mean the one used in Ubuntu when LANG=C
[10:48] <ikonia> we can always fix things like that later at review
[10:48] <ikonia> don't worry massive about that sort of thing
[10:48] <theadmin> Oh okay
[11:04] <theadmin> ikonia: Did you by any chance set your client to ignore pms from me? xD I can't seem to reach you there
[11:05] <theadmin> ikonia: I haven't saved it yet, by the way, um, I don't think it's ready enough to do so
[11:06] <theadmin> ikonia: Current state, more or less: https://pzt.me/7kuk
[11:07] <ikonia> nope, was just away from desk scanning things
[11:38] <tonyyarusso> I wish I actually knew what Fair Use law was on remixing works on YouTube.
[12:04] <jussi> tonyyarusso: the wikipedia article has some pretty good  info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
[12:28] <ikonia> !restoregrub is <reply> Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[12:28] <ikonia> !restoregrub
[12:29] <ikonia> Jordan_U: when you get chance could you review that page, put a cleaner basic update on but would like to grow it
[12:29] <ikonia> personally I'm not a fan of putting the boot-repair tools in there
[16:59] <oCean> trolls :(
[17:15] <popey> 'currently'
[17:21]  * oCean shrugs
[20:18] <Jordan_U> ikonia: The terminal instructions in the new grub page will not work. I'm working from my cellphone so I can't easily edit it now. "grub-install /dev/sda" is the same as "grub-install --boot-directory=/boot/ /dev/sda". In a LiveCD environment "/boot" is the squashfs/aufs, not /boot directory of the target system.
[20:19] <Jordan_U> ikonia: They can be fixed by adding instructions to mount the target system and pass the correct --boot-directory option or by chrooting in.
[20:59] <Resistance> i'm tryin to figure out whether #kubuntu has its own ops channel, does it?  or is this where stuff for it gets reported
[20:59] <Resistance> (if the ops trigger is used)
[21:02] <jussi> Resistance: nah, the highlights come here
[21:02] <Resistance> i see
[21:03] <Pici> Resistance: this channel serves all the Ubuntu core channels (#kubuntu included).  The ops trigger is customized for #kubuntu to list ops that have access there.
[21:03] <Resistance> i caught someone in #kubuntu asking a question that pertained to illegal acts (see !illegal)...
[21:03] <Resistance> i was hesitant to trigger the ops signal, but meh
[21:05] <Resistance> thanks, jussi, Pici.
[21:09] <Pici> handled
[21:35] <Pici> I'm going home, anyone here to look at ryaxnb and tensorpudding in #u-ot?
[21:36] <Myrtti> if I have to, but my concentration is vaning fast
[21:36] <oCean> again with the phones? :(
[21:36] <Myrtti> it's ryaxnb
[21:36] <Myrtti> what did you expect
[21:36] <oCean> yeah, my bad
[21:37] <oCean> If we only could ban 1 topic for a year...
[21:37] <elky> "stupid stuff" is a topic, yes?
[21:37] <oCean> elky: is that a trick question?
[21:38] <oCean> wait
[21:38] <oCean> http://i.imgur.com/kxBpi.gif
[23:20] <bastidrazor> can you please revive ubottu.
[23:21] <elky> !ping
[23:21] <elky> jussi, ^
[23:21] <bastidrazor> thank you :)
[23:21] <elky> jussi01, ^
[23:52] <Resistance> i take it ubottu exploded?
[23:53] <Resistance> Guest40382, i take it fixing ubottu is top priority?
[23:54] <Myrtti> probably not at this hour when it's almost 2am in where he is :-/
[23:54] <Resistance> well then that's problematic :P
[23:54] <Resistance> i kinda needed to quote one of its factoids
[23:55] <Resistance> specifically the one which has the unsupported derivatives thing
[23:56] <Resistance> the one that !crunchbang calls :P
[23:56] <Myrtti> c'est la vie