[00:03] hmm, trying to build the latest version of ZNC, when I run znc-buildmod it says that it can't find znc.h but /usr/include/znc/znc.h exists. Any ideas? [06:36] aloha [08:03] Morning all [08:50] morning all [08:51] morning MooDoo [08:59] morning [08:59] morning danfish [08:59] a quick test for you all http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15952227 [09:00] and can anyone spot the dud question? [09:00] brobostigon: o/ [09:00] danfish: o/ [09:02] danfish: gnu/wysiwyg [09:03] I clicked pizza! [09:05] wow 7 out of 7 [09:06] heh, "7 questions on computer programs" "The following Hollywood figures starred in films featuring computer programmers - but which did not play the computer whiz?" - made me giggle [09:06] no idea why i put wow :) [09:07] yeah got it right though :) [09:12] Good morning peeps [09:14] urgh, considering abondoning twitter today [09:14] daubers: bored? [09:14] 6/7 [09:15] MooDoo: No, people supporting action I really don't agree with [09:15] Missed out on John Travolta - [09:15] daubers: just block them [09:15] TheOpenSourcerer: I got pizza/lettuce wrong [09:15] i'm glad "computer whizz kid" has fallen out of popular usage [09:15] MooDoo: That reduces my twitter stream by nearly 2/3's at the moment :) [09:15] Oooh Twitter! Time to upset some lefties I think :-) [09:15] although it's sometimes used by people who are about to ask me to fix their pc [09:16] * daubers would get Queeny to revoke the "no sacking striking workers" law and sack the lot of them, or liquidate the civil service, start a new one and hire the people who didn't strike [09:16] daubers++ [09:16] really? [09:16] !politics [09:17] Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you! [09:17] Yup, they complain about the givernment being bullies, but striking is just another form of bullying [09:17] but that's enough of that [09:17] "We're not FRANCE" [09:17] #ubuntu-uk-politics :) [09:17] daubers: I think you're wrong, but this isn't the time or the place ;-) [09:17] * oimon is the only one in the office so far [09:17] slackers [09:18] I'm glad the council are on strike, means I don't have to spend the day traipsing around their roads department yard testing the radios in the gritters [09:19] now I can do it on Saturday at ridiculous OT rates [09:23] morning all [09:23] morning [09:32] morning o/ [09:47] Morning. [09:48] However started taking over to write the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter does not care one bit that mark up format should also be readable in source. That used to be different :( [09:48] That's Whoever ^ :-/ [09:49] popey: that's what I thought [09:51] Hello, hello! :) [09:58] o/ [09:59] mornin folks [10:06] morning dwatkins how are you on this fine day? [10:06] imexil: want to join #ubuntu-news and explain it there? [10:07] hi MooDoo, I'm good thanks, I trust you are also well [10:09] I'm currently wishing I hadn't had that 2nd beer last night, as I tipped it on my laptop and now face an expensive repair, however. [10:10] dwatkins: yes i'm fine, and i purchased a gigabit switch for home which has made it a little faster not a lot :D [10:10] bummber on the laptop front [10:11] I have a gigabit switch, gut I suspect my PS3 doesn't have a fast ethernet port ;) [10:11] *but [10:11] well i'm using VMWARE on my servers so i can't confirm they are running at 1000 Full duplex like my nas is [10:12] overheads? [10:12] ? [10:12] shrug [10:12] sorry, I mean "is that because of the overheads incurred by running inside a virtual host?" [10:14] dwatkins: perhaps not sure, when i remove vmware i'll be able to run nativly on the hardware so i'll see [10:15] I've been told that ESXI is pretty close to running on the bare metal, but I guess if you have several guests they can step on each other's toes. [10:16] dwatkins: i'm running esxi but it's an older version as my home server isn't 64bit [10:16] dwatkins: why does runnign vmware mean you can't verify 1000Mb? [10:17] oimon: I don't know, but I suspect there will be some overhead of the virtual machine not connecting directly to the hardware [10:17] oimon: ethtool doesn't show anything on debian servers, the only way i can tell is by doing a data transfer unless the client tells me [10:17] which admittedly i've not looked at :D [10:19] the vmware client should tell about the esxi server details [10:20] i'll have a looksee.... [10:21] choose host, configuration, network adapters [10:22] yeah just looking now [10:27] yay 1000 full :D [10:29] the only reason i need windows servers in my org is because of vmware -...dumb eh? [10:29] when all my servers are linux === pancro is now known as pancro_afk [10:31] i'm only using vmware ware as i'm a cheat and use windows for a mail server :) [10:31] wut [10:32] sorry i'm a low life [10:32] don't come crying to us when it breaks :) [10:33] oimon: well it has't in the 8 months it's been running :D lol [10:37] VMWare runs on Linux O.o [10:37] KrisDouglas: i'm running esxi which runs on bare bones hardware [10:37] Oh thats kay then [10:37] :P [10:38] esxi is still linux kernel though [10:38] KrisDouglas: it's just a windows server i'm running in a vm :) [10:38] yeah RH :) [10:38] Indeed. I use XenCenter [10:38] i think it's pronounced centos :) [10:38] Basically the same but different [10:38] ijust VMWARE as i'm familiar with it, just need to get a 64bit processor so i can use the latest version [10:39] i just went to wind up the office liberal who is supporting the strikes but not striking (lol) [10:47] haha [10:49] Good morning lovelies how are we all today ? [10:50] Wishing for the weekend [10:52] doing the work of 5 people and feeling grrrr [10:53] GREAT [10:53] i was annoyed, but now i got some pepsi and cranked up the jpop. so now i'm also GREAT [10:54] this is good to hear [10:55] looks for some good music to crank up [10:56] fire starter [10:56] some red hot chilli peppers [10:56] or thunderstuck is what I've on now [10:57] i have phil and don by camera obscura "i'll take the slack for you"...very apt [10:58] what? no. always sledgehammer [10:58] gord: what. no. never [10:58] you miss, have no soul [10:59] * gord cranks up the sledgehammer even further in protest [11:00] gord: it's not the first time I've been told that :p [11:00] http://www.last.fm/user/gordmoo - see [11:00] * czajkowski tickles davmor2 [11:01] czajkowski: How many times I'm not ticklish [11:01] morning all [11:01] davmor2: czajkowski will never learn [11:01] Your musical compatibility with gordmoo is Low [11:01] MooDoo: I know [11:01] I woke the sleeping beast [11:02] czajkowski: song reference or you calling davmor2 a beast? [11:02] the latter of course [11:02] jesh! [11:02] czajkowski: you sound perky this morning :) [11:03] czajkowski: I want to know how you know that :P [11:03] :) [11:03] Laney, you obviously listen to terrible music [11:03] well [11:03] I did notice this Your musical compatibility with popeydc is Super [11:03] dunno what that says … [11:04] It says we both like Glee I think. [11:04] Music you have in common includes Cast, Catatonia, James, Shed Seven and The Bluetones. [11:04] good list tbh [11:05] do men like glee? [11:05] my compatibility is low with *every* single person on my friends list. this is what working from home does to you. you have no musical shame [11:06] man I've had my last account for a long time [11:06] 10 Oct 2004 [11:06] oimon: /me shamefully admits to liking glee [11:07] Hello. [11:07] morning [11:07] o/ [11:07] How are you? [11:07] guten morgen [11:07] s-fox: tired but ok thanks :D [11:08] Hallo Laney [11:08] ps. I don't like glee [11:08] * MooDoo hangs his head in shame [11:08] never seen it [11:08] but I want to! [11:08] What is glee? [11:09] Film? [11:09] s-fox: america program about a glee club, lots of show tunes [11:09] based in a high school [11:09] i saw some of glee on a plane once, you should be ashamed. [11:09] * s-fox is going to avoid [11:09] * MooDoo goes and sits on the #naughtystop [11:10] * Laney wibbles [11:10] MooDoo: coming down your end later to give blood [11:10] join me :P [11:11] Laney: have fun, and i'm not allowed [11:11] too cool [11:11] Laney: i carry a medical green card for a blood issue i have [11:11] wow - my council has put a webcam on the road leading up to the local tip so you can see how crowded it is http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=698 [11:11] sorry sir your blood is too rock and roll [11:11] * danfish has spent much time in queues there before [11:12] danfish: site is a little broken [11:13] It loads the mobile version by default and the link to the desktop site offers a download instead [11:13] bigcalm: weird, loads fine here in Chrome [11:13] FireFox here [11:14] hehe same for me [11:14] nice website sutton ;) [11:14] i pressed the little sad face to indicate i do not rate the service highly [11:15] gord: I think we got it! [11:15] Hehe [11:15] gord: the webmaster must be on strike today ;) [11:16] i have always loved that phrasing, "webmaster". its like, the first guy who was in charge of a website just said screw it, this is a new kind of job, i'm naming it whatever the hell i want [11:17] i want to be a programming dragoon [11:17] Python Wrangler [11:18] Java Metabarista [11:18] HTTP Facilitator [11:18] webmasters should get a hooded robe [11:19] Perl Poets? [11:19] first christmas album of the year [11:19] it's not too early is it? [11:19] And a wizards hat. http://bash.org/?104383 [11:19] awilkins: \o/ bloodninja [11:20] ohai [11:21] Hi Myrtti, are you having a good day? :) [11:22] bigcalm: could be better, could be worse [11:22] all in all so far I think the situation balances more to the good side [11:23] So you're not feeling the power of the dark side [11:23] There is still good in you, I can feel it [11:23] I wouldn't be so sure about it [11:26] * awilkins has turned to the "Meh" side. [11:26] awilkins: That's the best side. [11:27] Apathy, demotivation, mediocrity, the path to the "Meh" side are they. [11:27] Once you turn down the "Meh" path, forever will you not give a Flying Monkey. [11:27] Exactly. It's a great stress reliever [11:27] * awilkins believes that "Who Gives a Flying Monkey" magazine could be a successful publication [11:28] yeah well [11:28] who would give a flying monkey to actually buy it? [11:28] It would lampoon and ridicule all the things that people consider so important. [11:28] Like I'm a Celebrity, X-Factor, etc [11:28] awilkins: Well that's easy to answer though the Wicked Witch of the West sent out the flying monkeys [11:29] I draw enourmous amounts of energy from the fact that a person who made my life a living hell for several years has broken up with their partner and now needs sleeping pills to sleep at night. It gives perspective that even if my life sucks in almost every parts, atleast I still can get sleep (although my sleeping cycle has gone wonky) and I've got people who love and support me [11:30] so I don't know if this is really "not being on the dark side" or "meh" [11:30] in other news, Stephen Fry is marvelous [11:30] Yus [11:30] * MartijnVdS just saw his movember 'stache [11:30] I'm listening to Harry Potter and I still can't quite believe that he read all the roles [11:30] at risk of being serious for a moment, unforgiveness towards other people generally hurts the person harbouring unforgiveness [11:31] must've cheated somewhere [11:31] Used digital pitch shifting, maybe [11:31] Myrtti: read (listen to) his autobiographies as well [11:31] oimon: I've forgiven him. It's the contrasts in our lives that hilight what parts I still have to be happy about [11:32] I try to do a good job reading Harry Potter to my daughter. I found my voice breaking doing the first scene with Hagrid in the Leaky Cauldron. [11:32] im trying to use convert -resize to resize images. I would like to make the biggest size 1000px for example. anyone have an idea how to do this? [11:32] is that maybe the behavior by default? [11:32] dogmatic69: if you specify "1000x" it'll make it 1000 pixels wide [11:32] dogmatic69: "x1000" for 1000 high [11:33] (the other one will be calculated based on aspect ratio etc. [11:33] MartijnVdS: ah, just seen maybe 1000x1000 will maintain aspect and make one side 1000 [11:33] dogmatic69: no, that'll resize the pic to 1000x1000 :) [11:33] hey MooDoo how did you get on with DigiKam? [11:34] I don't really know what to do with my photos now [11:34] Myrtti: shotwell? [11:34] Myrtti: print them? [11:34] Myrtti: make a book out of them? [11:35] MartijnVdS: yeah I had them in that in my old laptop, but the whole /home of that is now on a backup external disk since I handed over the laptop after 'shred -vn 7'ing it [11:35] and I can't decide which of the Ubuntu devices I'll use as my primary in the future [11:35] ah [11:35] !rolldice [11:35] !info rolldice [11:36] rolldice (source: rolldice): A virtual dice roller. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-5 (natty), package size 11 kB, installed size 72 kB [11:36] [13:36] < Myrtti> @random exopc latitude [11:36] [13:36] < ubottu> latitude [11:36] Encrypt them all on a TrueCrypt partition on a USB thumb, print the key out as a giant QR code, perforate it to be torn into sections, print off a sign inviting people to take sections of the key to your happy memories, mount it on a board in a gallery and call it art. [11:36] *shrug* [11:37] MartijnVdS: do you by chance know the difference between -resize and -adaptive-resize in convert? [11:37] dogmatic69: no [11:37] dogmatic69: adaptive-resize might be a "smart resize" of some kind [11:37] wonder what data-dependent triangulation would be [11:37] dogmatic69: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/#adaptive-resize [11:37] dogmatic69: with picture examples! [11:37] ye, im on there [11:38] really o.o [11:38] MooDoo: Oi answer me muppet boy don't pretend to be busy ;) [11:39] davmor2: sorry mate, what was the question [11:39] erh [11:39] "Problem with Player Engine" "SIGILL" [11:39] lolhelp? [11:39] I didn't know there was a SIGILL :-D [11:40] SIGILL = Illegal instruction [11:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGILL [11:40] MooDoo: How did you get on with DigiKam? [11:40] dogmatic69, Looks like 1000x1000 is actually what you want from the description [11:40] ah yes, my browser is still in a State [11:40] awilkins: ye, im trying that one out now [11:40] davmor2: yes it's good thanks :D [11:41] dogmatic69, 1000x1000! would force the image to 1000x1000 and ignore ratio [11:41] this convert ~= photoshop via terminal :D [11:41] MooDoo: does it cover everything you needed then? [11:41] cool eh :) [11:41] Counter intuitive but they made the least complex option the least destructive ~ mixed feelings about that, violates principle of least surprise [11:42] davmor2: yes think so, will need a longer play. [11:43] MooDoo: I'll expect to see the results appearing on FB anytime then yes ;) [11:43] really wish you could order google by date [11:45] gord, you can restrict by date, is that good enough? [11:49] awilkins, not really ;) [11:50] davmor2: yes sir :D [11:52] ok, running the convert command from php its creating folders. if i run the exact command that is done in php (always with full paths) it creates a resized image [11:52] any reason for the difference? [11:53] gord: don't you just click on the date? [11:54] davmor2, what date? [11:54] basically i'm saying that if i'm googling for help with software X, i want the latest results not the results that might be dealing with a slightly older version [11:56] gord: yeah I forgot I use the desktop email client to pull it in I forgot that the web front end doesn't have a date field [12:00] davmor2, pull what in? google search results? o_O [12:00] gord: no to pull in the email from google [12:01] davmor2, not talking about email at all ;) [12:01] got it working, just had to remove the dumb code i wrote :/ [12:01] so I use thunderbirds date field I forgot that gmail didn't have it [12:20] observation of the day: people who tend to describe themselves as geeks, usually aren't. [12:29] good afternoon everyone. [12:29] hello sir [12:29] hello oimon [12:30] * oimon is about to install mint 12 [12:32] oimon: don't like it? i've only played with 11 [12:33] MooDoo: huh? [12:33] about to find out [12:33] oimon: sorry i read that as uninstall [12:33] wow i need my head testing today [12:34] * brobostigon prods MooDoo's head with electrodes. :) [12:34] for a start, it has the window list panel which is missing from gnome 3 (making it unusable) [12:34] it's also flippin' fast [12:35] yeah very [12:35] * brobostigon 's install of debian sid + experimental with gnome3 standard, also flies. [12:35] oimon: people who attend Geeks Anonymous tend to be the real deal ;) [12:35] aka LUGS? [12:36] oimon: I was thinking more UDS, Pycon etc but yeah Lugs will cover it too :) [12:36] mint makes me sad about the direction ubuntu is taking :( [12:41] I'd like to see where mint is in a year from now [12:41] the software manager sucks compared to ubuntu though [12:41] whether they can keep the momentum up for mate and mgde or whatever its called [12:41] yeah, and their update manager doesn't install security updates by default which is bordering on _insane_ [12:42] orly? [12:42] what does it do? [12:42] recommends you dont install them [12:42] because they are '4' or '5' in their update manager [12:42] i.e. untested against Mint by them [12:42] I am talking about upstream (i.e. ubuntu) security updates [12:43] what else did you like/unlike about mint? [12:43] I dont like the direction [12:43] "I don't like unity so lets ressurect something that upstream have said is dead" (GNOME 2.X) [12:44] it looks like gnome3 with extras to me [12:44] It's a distro for people who don't like change, but like change enough that they switched from Windows to Linux. [12:44] * popey goes to find food [12:44] i'd think there's many who would like gnome3 if it was usable [12:45] but gnome seems to be run by a monkey circus [12:46] its new, people are quick to say new stuff is broken [12:46] remember kde 4? [12:46] now look at it [12:46] *ahem* [12:47] still broken? [12:47] no idea, i dont use it [12:47] but i hear it's as stable as any other desktop [12:47] but unity and gnome 3 are in the same place kde 4 was after the rewrite [12:48] unity (and I guess GNOME 3) are long term projects. People need to grow some patience and figure that this is a long game. [12:48] i remember that stock gnome2 was rubbish and canonical made it better [12:48] i fully expect we will lose some people on that journey, and some might come back (quietly, they wont shout as loud as they are now they're leaving) [12:49] stock gnome 3 is also rubbish and needs shell extensions or whatever to make it ok. on edistro needs to step up and do it [12:49] i dont believe we should strive to keep every single user, that way lies madness [12:49] we should build a better desktop and people will use it as a result. [12:49] anyway, lunch! [12:50] * oimon isn't so proud that he won't use unity if it becomes better for power users [12:50] * oimon goes to find a pasty [12:55] a patsy? [12:57] p a s t y :) [12:57] unity has terrible focus bugs [12:57] i think they're mainly compiz bugs [12:58] sick of accidentally closing the wrong app, because the appmenu close button is for a different window to the current in-front fullscreen window [12:58] directhex: Also, try starting apps using alt + f2 and typing fast [12:58] directhex: you'll open the previous app [12:58] MartijnVdS, alt-f2 is for people who don't use Do [12:59] directhex: I am the 99% [12:59] alt-f2 is broken here. dunno why [13:10] do, or do not. ther is no try [13:15] popey: i was using MGSE, which there is surely a future for [13:16] had been confused by people saying mint12 is mate, then i realised it appears as a lightdm session option (livecd is MGSE by default) === edinburgh_david is now known as uk_29_m [13:27] o_O [13:27] -!- popey is now known as uk_39_m [13:27] you're OLD [13:27] thanks [13:28] MartijnVdS: He may be old, but he's still younger than me :) [13:28] /me resists the temptation to rename himself to Edinburgh_Dominic [13:29] DJones: Unpossible! [13:32] * oimon wonders why so many people have tattoos of popey [13:32] * popey expects oimon wanted an extra e there [13:33] nah..they look more like popey [13:35] if you're gonna get an elvis tattoo, then make sure the artist can draw [13:35] s/elvis// [13:35] zombie elvis is quite popular too [13:40] oimon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPE3p4kLgL8 ? [13:41] how does weird al make a living? royalties? no one would actaully buy joke music surely [13:46] he sells records [13:47] why not? [13:47] i discovered a replacement for distrowatch: check the number of subscribers on a subreddit : ubuntu 64,000 vs mint 12,000 [13:47] i don't like weird al, but i have some flight of the conchords albums [13:47] i never expected that people would listen to parody music more than once [13:48] unless you're 16 and on a coach trip [13:49] i sometimes re-watch comedy based tv shows too, crazy [13:49] 'another one rides the bus' is pretty much mandantory for every single encounter with public transport [13:50] * oimon checks youtube [13:51] including / especially ryanair [13:57] this is quite impressive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJILK3NxSM [14:00] what's special about it? [14:01] weird al has been making polka medleys since 1983 [14:01] think i've stumbled on the weird al fan club [14:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%22Weird_Al%22_Yankovic_polka_medleys [14:22] Hi all [14:22] heh, amazon sent me an email apologising for the delay in sending my goods. its cool amazon, it was an rc cable i ordered at like 7pm last night, it didn't have to be here 9am this morning ;) [14:22] Anyone know why access my site via www doesnt work but leaving it out does? [14:23] Going to www.nixaddict.com shows the default apache page leaving the www out goes to the right place :/ [14:23] smittix: need an alias in your apache site config [14:23] AlanBell: The alias is there already [14:24] it is wrong then :) [14:24] or the default is wrong [14:24] smittix: pastebin the conf [14:25] http://pastebin.com/ipyrWeY7 [14:25] smittix, Started following on twitter :) [14:26] s-fox: Huh? [14:27] smittix: restarted apache? [14:27] I just checked otu your site and saw the feed ;-) looking at your site config [14:27] +1 MooDoo [14:27] MooDoo: Yeah [14:27] hmm [14:27] smittix: what do the logs say? anything obvious? [14:27] another site config stealing the default? [14:28] atm there is only one site [14:29] gord, I ordered something from Amazon once and got it 11 months later :) [14:30] MooDoo: No nothing obvious. got me stumped for sure [14:30] Domain has www and @ A records [14:30] smittix: hmmmm yeah...just having a thing [14:30] think [14:31] i had this issue myself once can't remember how i fixed it [14:31] MattJ: how come? [14:31] smittix: do you have /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default [14:31] oimon, it was just some hard to source book, that they thought they had in stock, but hadn't [14:32] did you still want it a year later? [14:32] Yep :) [14:32] smittix: apache2 -S is pretty good for working out why requests hit the vhosts they do [14:32] They sent me an email every couple of months saying they were still working on it, but I could cancel at any time [14:35] AlanBell: Yeah that is there. [14:36] smittix: that would be processed first and I think it is stealing your www hits [14:44] AlanBell: Hmm did a a2dissite default. Seemed to fix it. [14:44] Looks like something is going on though as now when you go to www.nixaddict.com it redirects to nixaddict.com and removes the www. [14:44] weird [14:45] smittix: wordpress? [14:45] kirrus: Yarr [14:45] it redirects to the configured site url [14:46]