[00:03] <Azelphur> hmm, trying to build the latest version of ZNC, when I run znc-buildmod it says that it can't find znc.h but /usr/include/znc/znc.h exists. Any ideas?
[06:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:03] <DJones> Morning all
[08:50] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:59] <danfish> morning
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning danfish
[08:59] <danfish> a quick test for you all http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15952227
[09:00] <danfish> and can anyone spot the dud question?
[09:00] <danfish> brobostigon: o/
[09:00] <brobostigon> danfish: o/
[09:02] <popey> danfish: gnu/wysiwyg
[09:03] <AlanBell> I clicked pizza!
[09:05] <MooDoo> wow 7 out of 7
[09:06] <gord> heh, "7 questions on computer programs" "The following Hollywood figures starred in films featuring computer programmers - but which did not play the computer whiz?" - made me giggle
[09:06] <MooDoo> no idea why i put wow :)
[09:07] <MooDoo> yeah got it right though :)
[09:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps
[09:14] <daubers> urgh, considering abondoning twitter today
[09:14] <MooDoo> daubers: bored?
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 6/7
[09:15] <daubers> MooDoo: No, people supporting action I really don't agree with
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Missed out on John Travolta -
[09:15] <MooDoo> daubers: just block them
[09:15] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: I got pizza/lettuce wrong
[09:15] <oimon> i'm glad "computer whizz kid" has fallen out of popular usage
[09:15] <daubers> MooDoo: That reduces my twitter stream by nearly 2/3's at the moment :)
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh Twitter! Time to upset some lefties I think :-)
[09:15] <oimon> although it's sometimes used by people who are about to ask me to fix their pc
[09:16]  * daubers would get Queeny to revoke the "no sacking striking workers" law and sack the lot of them, or liquidate the civil service, start a new one and hire the people who didn't strike
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers++
[09:16] <gordonjcp> really?
[09:16] <bigcalm> !politics
[09:17] <lubotu3`> Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!
[09:17] <daubers> Yup, they complain about the givernment being bullies, but striking is just another form of bullying
[09:17] <daubers> but that's enough of that
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> "We're not FRANCE"
[09:17] <MooDoo> #ubuntu-uk-politics :)
[09:17] <gordonjcp> daubers: I think you're wrong, but this isn't the time or the place ;-)
[09:17]  * oimon is the only one in the office so far
[09:17] <oimon> slackers
[09:18] <gordonjcp> I'm glad the council are on strike, means I don't have to spend the day traipsing around their roads department yard testing the radios in the gritters
[09:19] <gordonjcp> now I can do it on Saturday at ridiculous OT rates
[09:23] <hoover> morning all
[09:23] <MooDoo> morning
[09:32] <dogmatic69> morning o/
[09:47] <imexil> Morning.
[09:48] <imexil> However started taking over to write the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter does not care one bit that mark up format should also be readable in source. That used to be different :(
[09:48] <imexil> That's Whoever ^ :-/
[09:49] <danfish> popey: that's what I thought
[09:51] <JamesTait> Hello, hello! :)
[09:58] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:59] <dwatkins> mornin folks
[10:06] <MooDoo> morning dwatkins how are you on this fine day?
[10:06] <AlanBell> imexil: want to join #ubuntu-news and explain it there?
[10:07] <dwatkins> hi MooDoo, I'm good thanks, I trust you are also well
[10:09] <dwatkins> I'm currently wishing I hadn't had that 2nd beer last night, as I tipped it on my laptop and now face an expensive repair, however.
[10:10] <MooDoo> dwatkins: yes i'm fine, and i purchased a gigabit switch for home which has made it a little faster not a lot :D
[10:10] <MooDoo> bummber on the laptop front
[10:11] <dwatkins> I have a gigabit switch, gut I suspect my PS3 doesn't have a fast ethernet port ;)
[10:11] <dwatkins> *but
[10:11] <MooDoo> well i'm using VMWARE on my servers so i can't confirm they are running at 1000 Full duplex like my nas is
[10:12] <dwatkins> overheads?
[10:12] <MooDoo> ?
[10:12] <MooDoo> shrug
[10:12] <dwatkins> sorry, I mean "is that because of the overheads incurred by running inside a virtual host?"
[10:14] <MooDoo> dwatkins: perhaps not sure, when i remove vmware i'll be able to run nativly on the hardware so i'll see
[10:15] <dwatkins> I've been told that ESXI is pretty close to running on the bare metal, but I guess if you have several guests they can step on each other's toes.
[10:16] <MooDoo> dwatkins: i'm running esxi but it's an older version as my home server isn't 64bit
[10:16] <oimon> dwatkins: why does runnign vmware mean you can't verify 1000Mb?
[10:17] <dwatkins> oimon: I don't know, but I suspect there will be some overhead of the virtual machine not connecting directly to the hardware
[10:17] <MooDoo> oimon: ethtool doesn't show anything on debian servers, the only way i can tell is by doing a data transfer unless the client tells me
[10:17] <MooDoo> which admittedly i've not looked at :D
[10:19] <oimon> the vmware client should tell about the esxi server details
[10:20] <MooDoo> i'll have a looksee....
[10:21] <oimon> choose host, configuration, network adapters
[10:22] <MooDoo> yeah just looking now
[10:27] <MooDoo> yay 1000 full :D
[10:29] <oimon> the only reason i need windows servers in my org is because of vmware -...dumb eh?
[10:29] <oimon> when all my servers are linux
[10:31] <MooDoo> i'm only using vmware ware as i'm a cheat and use windows for a mail server :)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> wut
[10:32] <MooDoo> sorry i'm a low life
[10:32] <oimon> don't come crying to us when it breaks :)
[10:33] <MooDoo> oimon: well it has't in the 8 months it's been running :D lol
[10:37] <KrisDouglas> VMWare runs on Linux O.o
[10:37] <MooDoo> KrisDouglas: i'm running esxi which runs on bare bones hardware
[10:37] <KrisDouglas> Oh thats kay then
[10:37] <KrisDouglas> :P
[10:38] <oimon> esxi is still linux kernel though
[10:38] <MooDoo> KrisDouglas: it's just a windows server i'm running in a vm :)
[10:38] <MooDoo> yeah RH :)
[10:38] <KrisDouglas> Indeed. I use XenCenter
[10:38] <oimon> i think it's pronounced centos :)
[10:38] <KrisDouglas> Basically the same but different
[10:38] <MooDoo> ijust VMWARE as i'm familiar with it, just need to get a 64bit processor so i can use the latest version
[10:39] <oimon> i just went to wind up the office liberal who is supporting the strikes but not striking (lol)
[10:47] <BigRedS> haha
[10:49] <czajkowski> Good morning lovelies how are we all today ?
[10:50] <bigcalm> Wishing for the weekend
[10:52] <oimon> doing the work of 5 people and feeling grrrr
[10:53] <popey> GREAT
[10:53] <gord> i was annoyed, but now i got some pepsi and cranked up the jpop. so now i'm also GREAT
[10:54] <czajkowski> this is good to hear
[10:55] <oimon> looks for some good music to crank up
[10:56] <czajkowski> fire starter
[10:56] <czajkowski> some red hot chilli peppers
[10:56] <czajkowski> or thunderstuck is what I've on now
[10:57] <oimon> i have phil and don by camera obscura "i'll take the slack for you"...very apt
[10:58] <gord> what? no. always sledgehammer
[10:58] <czajkowski> gord: what. no. never
[10:58] <gord> you miss, have no soul
[10:59]  * gord cranks up the sledgehammer even further in protest
[11:00] <czajkowski> gord: it's not the first time I've been told that :p
[11:00] <gord> http://www.last.fm/user/gordmoo - see
[11:00]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: How many times I'm not ticklish
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski will never learn
[11:01] <Laney> Your musical compatibility with gordmoo is Low
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: I know
[11:01] <czajkowski> I woke the sleeping beast
[11:02] <MooDoo> czajkowski: song reference or you calling davmor2 a beast?
[11:02] <czajkowski> the latter of course
[11:02] <czajkowski> jesh!
[11:02] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you sound perky this morning :)
[11:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: I want to know how you know that :P
[11:03] <czajkowski> :)
[11:03] <gord> Laney, you obviously listen to terrible music
[11:03] <Laney> well
[11:03] <Laney> I did notice this Your musical compatibility with popeydc is Super
[11:03] <Laney> dunno what that says …
[11:04] <popey> It says we both like Glee I think.
[11:04] <Laney> Music you have in common includes Cast, Catatonia, James, Shed Seven and The Bluetones.
[11:04] <Laney> good list tbh
[11:05] <oimon> do men like glee?
[11:05] <gord> my compatibility is low with *every* single person on my friends list. this is what working from home does to you. you have no musical shame
[11:06] <Laney> man I've had my last account for a long time
[11:06] <Laney> 10 Oct 2004
[11:06] <MooDoo> oimon: /me shamefully admits to liking glee
[11:07] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:07] <MooDoo> morning
[11:07] <s-fox> o/
[11:07] <s-fox> How are you?
[11:07] <Laney> guten morgen
[11:07] <MooDoo> s-fox: tired but ok thanks :D
[11:08] <s-fox> Hallo Laney
[11:08] <popey> ps. I don't like glee
[11:08]  * MooDoo hangs his head in shame
[11:08] <Laney> never seen it
[11:08] <Laney> but I want to!
[11:08] <s-fox> What is glee?
[11:09] <s-fox> Film?
[11:09] <MooDoo> s-fox: america program about a glee club, lots of show tunes
[11:09] <MooDoo> based in a high school
[11:09] <gord> i saw some of glee on a plane once, you should be ashamed.
[11:09]  * s-fox is going to avoid
[11:09]  * MooDoo goes and sits on the #naughtystop
[11:10]  * Laney wibbles
[11:10] <Laney> MooDoo: coming down your end later to give blood
[11:10] <Laney> join me :P
[11:11] <MooDoo> Laney: have fun, and i'm not allowed
[11:11] <Laney> too cool
[11:11] <MooDoo> Laney: i carry a medical green card for a blood issue i have
[11:11] <danfish> wow - my council has put a webcam on the road leading up to the local tip so you can see how crowded it is http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=698
[11:11] <Laney> sorry sir your blood is too rock and roll
[11:11]  * danfish has spent much time in queues there before
[11:12] <bigcalm> danfish: site is a little broken
[11:13] <bigcalm> It loads the mobile version by default and the link to the desktop site offers a download instead
[11:13] <danfish> bigcalm: weird, loads fine here in Chrome
[11:13] <bigcalm> FireFox here
[11:14] <gord> hehe same for me
[11:14] <gord> nice website sutton ;)
[11:14] <gord> i pressed the little sad face to indicate i do not rate the service highly
[11:15] <danfish> gord: I think we got it!
[11:15] <bigcalm> Hehe
[11:15] <danfish> gord: the webmaster must be on strike today ;)
[11:16] <gord> i have always loved that phrasing, "webmaster". its like, the first guy who was in charge of a website just said screw it, this is a new kind of job, i'm naming it whatever the hell i want
[11:17] <gord> i want to be a programming dragoon
[11:17] <awilkins> Python Wrangler
[11:18] <awilkins> Java Metabarista
[11:18] <popey> HTTP Facilitator
[11:18] <oimon> webmasters should get a hooded robe
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> Perl Poets?
[11:19] <Laney> first christmas album of the year
[11:19] <Laney> it's not too early is it?
[11:19] <awilkins> And a wizards hat. http://bash.org/?104383
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: \o/ bloodninja
[11:20] <Myrtti> ohai
[11:21] <bigcalm> Hi Myrtti, are you having a good day? :)
[11:22] <Myrtti> bigcalm: could be better, could be worse
[11:22] <Myrtti> all in all so far I think the situation balances more to the good side
[11:23] <bigcalm> So you're not feeling the power of the dark side
[11:23] <bigcalm> There is still good in you, I can feel it
[11:23] <Myrtti> I wouldn't be so sure about it
[11:26]  * awilkins has turned to the "Meh" side.
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: That's the best side.
[11:27] <awilkins> Apathy, demotivation, mediocrity, the path to the "Meh" side are they.
[11:27] <awilkins> Once you turn down the "Meh" path, forever will you not give a Flying Monkey.
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> Exactly. It's a great stress reliever
[11:27]  * awilkins believes that "Who Gives a Flying Monkey" magazine could be a successful publication
[11:28] <Myrtti> yeah well
[11:28] <oimon> who would give a flying monkey to actually buy it?
[11:28] <awilkins> It would lampoon and ridicule all the things that people consider so important.
[11:28] <awilkins> Like I'm a Celebrity, X-Factor, etc
[11:28] <davmor2> awilkins: Well that's easy to answer though the Wicked Witch of the West sent out the flying monkeys
[11:29] <Myrtti> I draw enourmous amounts of energy from the fact that a person who made my life a living hell for several years has broken up with their partner and now needs sleeping pills to sleep at night. It gives perspective that even if my life sucks in almost every parts, atleast I still can get sleep (although my sleeping cycle has gone wonky) and I've got people who love and support me
[11:30] <Myrtti> so I don't know if this is really "not being on the dark side" or "meh"
[11:30] <Myrtti> in other news, Stephen Fry is marvelous
[11:30] <awilkins> Yus
[11:30]  * MartijnVdS just saw his movember 'stache
[11:30] <Myrtti> I'm listening to Harry Potter and I still can't quite believe that he read all the roles
[11:30] <oimon> at risk of being serious for a moment, unforgiveness towards other people generally hurts the person harbouring unforgiveness
[11:31] <Myrtti> must've cheated somewhere
[11:31] <awilkins> Used digital pitch shifting, maybe
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: read (listen to) his autobiographies as well
[11:31] <Myrtti> oimon: I've forgiven him. It's the contrasts in our lives that hilight what parts I still have to be happy about
[11:32] <awilkins> I try to do a good job reading Harry Potter to my daughter. I found my voice breaking doing the first scene with Hagrid in the Leaky Cauldron.
[11:32] <dogmatic69> im trying to use convert -resize to resize images. I would like to make the biggest size 1000px for example. anyone have an idea how to do this?
[11:32] <dogmatic69> is that maybe the behavior by default?
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: if you specify "1000x" it'll make it 1000 pixels wide
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: "x1000" for 1000 high
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> (the other one will be calculated based on aspect ratio etc.
[11:33] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: ah, just seen maybe 1000x1000 will maintain aspect and make one side 1000
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: no, that'll resize the pic to 1000x1000 :)
[11:33] <davmor2> hey MooDoo how did you get on with DigiKam?
[11:34] <Myrtti> I don't really know what to do with my photos now
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: shotwell?
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: print them?
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: make a book out of them?
[11:35] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: yeah I had them in that in my old laptop, but the whole /home of that is now on a backup external disk since I handed over the laptop after 'shred -vn 7'ing it
[11:35] <Myrtti> and I can't decide which of the Ubuntu devices I'll use as my primary in the future
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> ah
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> !rolldice
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> !info rolldice
[11:36] <lubotu3`> rolldice (source: rolldice): A virtual dice roller. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-5 (natty), package size 11 kB, installed size 72 kB
[11:36] <Myrtti> [13:36] < Myrtti> @random exopc latitude
[11:36] <Myrtti> [13:36] < ubottu> latitude
[11:36] <awilkins> Encrypt them all on a TrueCrypt partition on a USB thumb, print the key out as a giant QR code, perforate it to be torn into sections, print off a sign inviting people to take sections of the key to your happy memories, mount it on a board in a gallery and call it art.
[11:36] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[11:37] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: do you by chance know the difference between -resize and -adaptive-resize in convert?
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: no
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: adaptive-resize might be a "smart resize" of some kind
[11:37] <dogmatic69> wonder what data-dependent triangulation would be
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/#adaptive-resize
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: with picture examples!
[11:37] <dogmatic69> ye, im on there
[11:38] <dogmatic69> really o.o
[11:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oi answer me muppet boy don't pretend to be busy ;)
[11:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: sorry mate, what was the question
[11:39] <Myrtti> erh
[11:39] <Myrtti> "Problem with Player Engine" "SIGILL"
[11:39] <Myrtti> lolhelp?
[11:39] <Myrtti> I didn't know there was a SIGILL :-D
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> SIGILL = Illegal instruction
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGILL
[11:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: How did you get on with DigiKam?
[11:40] <awilkins> dogmatic69, Looks like 1000x1000 is actually what you want from the description
[11:40] <Myrtti> ah yes, my browser is still in a State
[11:40] <dogmatic69> awilkins: ye, im trying that one out now
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes it's good thanks :D
[11:41] <awilkins> dogmatic69, 1000x1000!  would force the image to 1000x1000 and ignore ratio
[11:41] <dogmatic69> this convert ~= photoshop via terminal :D
[11:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: does it cover everything you needed then?
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> cool eh :)
[11:41] <awilkins> Counter intuitive but they made the least complex option the least destructive ~ mixed feelings about that, violates principle of least surprise
[11:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes think so, will need a longer play.
[11:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'll expect to see the results appearing on FB anytime then yes ;)
[11:43] <gord> really wish you could order google by date
[11:45] <awilkins> gord, you can restrict by date, is that good enough?
[11:49] <gord> awilkins, not really ;)
[11:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes sir :D
[11:52] <dogmatic69> ok, running the convert command from php its creating folders. if i run the exact command that is done in php (always with full paths) it creates a resized image
[11:52] <dogmatic69> any reason for the difference?
[11:53] <davmor2> gord: don't you just click on the date?
[11:54] <gord> davmor2, what date?
[11:54] <gord> basically i'm saying that if i'm googling for help with software X, i want the latest results not the results that might be dealing with a slightly older version
[11:56] <davmor2> gord: yeah I forgot I use the desktop email client to pull it in I forgot that the web front end doesn't have a date field
[12:00] <gord> davmor2, pull what in? google search results? o_O
[12:00] <davmor2> gord: no to pull in the email from google
[12:01] <gord> davmor2, not talking about email at all ;)
[12:01] <dogmatic69> got it working, just had to remove the dumb code i wrote :/
[12:01] <davmor2> so I use thunderbirds date field I forgot that gmail didn't have it
[12:20] <oimon> observation of the day: people who tend to describe themselves as geeks, usually aren't.
[12:29] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone.
[12:29] <oimon> hello sir
[12:29] <brobostigon> hello oimon
[12:30]  * oimon is about to install mint 12
[12:32] <MooDoo> oimon: don't like it?  i've only played with 11
[12:33] <oimon> MooDoo: huh?
[12:33] <oimon> about to find out
[12:33] <MooDoo> oimon: sorry i read that as uninstall
[12:33] <MooDoo> wow i need my head testing today
[12:34]  * brobostigon prods MooDoo's head with electrodes. :)
[12:34] <oimon> for a start, it has the window list panel which is missing from gnome 3 (making it unusable)
[12:34] <oimon> it's also flippin' fast
[12:35] <MooDoo> yeah very
[12:35]  * brobostigon 's install of debian sid + experimental with gnome3 standard, also flies.
[12:35] <davmor2> oimon: people who attend Geeks Anonymous tend to be the real deal ;)
[12:35] <oimon> aka LUGS?
[12:36] <davmor2> oimon: I was thinking more UDS, Pycon etc but yeah Lugs will cover it too :)
[12:36] <oimon> mint makes me sad about the direction ubuntu is taking :(
[12:41] <popey> I'd like to see where mint is in a year from now
[12:41] <oimon> the software manager sucks compared to ubuntu though
[12:41] <popey> whether they can keep the momentum up for mate and mgde or whatever its called
[12:41] <popey> yeah, and their update manager doesn't install security updates by default which is bordering on _insane_
[12:42] <oimon> orly?
[12:42] <oimon> what does it do?
[12:42] <popey> recommends you dont install them
[12:42] <popey> because they are '4' or '5' in their update manager
[12:42] <popey> i.e. untested against Mint by them
[12:42] <popey> I am talking about upstream (i.e. ubuntu) security updates
[12:43] <oimon> what else did you like/unlike about mint?
[12:43] <popey> I dont like the direction
[12:43] <popey> "I don't like unity so lets ressurect something that upstream have said is dead" (GNOME 2.X)
[12:44] <oimon> it looks like gnome3 with extras to me
[12:44] <popey> It's a distro for people who don't like change, but like change enough that they switched from Windows to Linux.
[12:44]  * popey goes to find food
[12:44] <oimon> i'd think there's many who would like gnome3 if it was usable
[12:45] <oimon> but gnome seems to be run by a monkey circus
[12:46] <popey> its new, people are quick to say new stuff is broken
[12:46] <popey> remember kde 4?
[12:46] <popey> now look at it
[12:46] <popey> *ahem*
[12:47] <oimon> still broken?
[12:47] <popey> no idea, i dont use it
[12:47] <popey> but i hear it's as stable as any other desktop
[12:47] <popey> but unity and gnome 3 are in the same place kde 4 was after the rewrite
[12:48] <popey> unity (and I guess GNOME 3) are long term projects. People need to grow some patience and figure that this is a long game.
[12:48] <oimon> i remember that stock gnome2 was rubbish and canonical made it better
[12:48] <popey> i fully expect we will lose some people on that journey, and some might come back (quietly, they wont shout as loud as they are now they're leaving)
[12:49] <oimon> stock gnome 3 is also rubbish and needs shell extensions or whatever to make it ok. on edistro needs to step up and do it
[12:49] <popey> i dont believe we should strive to keep every single user, that way lies madness
[12:49] <popey> we should build a better desktop and people will use it as a result.
[12:49] <popey> anyway, lunch!
[12:50]  * oimon isn't so proud that he won't use unity if it becomes better for power users
[12:50]  * oimon goes to find a pasty
[12:55] <dwatkins> a patsy?
[12:57] <MooDoo> p a s t y  :)
[12:57] <directhex> unity has terrible focus bugs
[12:57] <directhex> i think they're mainly compiz bugs
[12:58] <directhex> sick of accidentally closing the wrong app, because the appmenu close button is for a different window to the current in-front fullscreen window
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Also, try starting apps using alt + f2 and typing fast
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> directhex: you'll open the previous app
[12:58] <directhex> MartijnVdS, alt-f2 is for people who don't use Do
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I am the 99%
[12:59] <directhex> alt-f2 is broken here. dunno why
[13:10] <oimon> do, or do not. ther is no try
[13:15] <oimon> popey: i was using MGSE, which there is surely a future for
[13:16] <oimon> had been confused by people saying mint12 is mate, then i realised it appears as a lightdm session option (livecd is MGSE by default)
[13:27] <popey> o_O
[13:27] <popey> -!- popey is now known as uk_39_m
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> you're OLD
[13:27] <popey> thanks
[13:28] <DJones> MartijnVdS: He may be old, but he's still younger than me :)
[13:28] <dwatkins>  /me resists the temptation to rename himself to Edinburgh_Dominic
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Unpossible!
[13:32]  * oimon wonders why so many people have tattoos of popey
[13:32]  * popey expects oimon wanted an extra e there
[13:33] <oimon> nah..they look more like popey
[13:35] <oimon> if you're gonna get an elvis tattoo, then make sure the artist can draw
[13:35] <oimon> s/elvis//
[13:35] <oimon> zombie elvis is quite popular too
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPE3p4kLgL8 ?
[13:41] <oimon> how does weird al make a living? royalties? no one would actaully buy joke music surely
[13:46] <popey> he sells records
[13:47] <gord> why not?
[13:47] <oimon> i discovered a replacement for distrowatch: check the number of subscribers on a subreddit : ubuntu 64,000 vs mint 12,000
[13:47] <gord> i don't like weird al, but i have some flight of the conchords albums
[13:47] <oimon> i never expected that people would listen to parody music more than once
[13:48] <oimon> unless you're 16 and on a coach trip
[13:49] <gord> i sometimes re-watch comedy based tv shows too, crazy
[13:49] <shauno> 'another one rides the bus' is pretty much mandantory for every single encounter with public transport
[13:50]  * oimon checks youtube
[13:51] <shauno> including / especially ryanair
[13:57] <oimon> this is quite impressive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJILK3NxSM
[14:00] <directhex> what's special about it?
[14:01] <directhex> weird al has been making polka medleys since 1983
[14:01] <oimon> think i've stumbled on the weird al fan club
[14:02] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%22Weird_Al%22_Yankovic_polka_medleys
[14:22] <smittix> Hi all
[14:22] <gord> heh, amazon sent me an email apologising for the delay in sending my goods. its cool amazon, it was an rc cable i ordered at like 7pm last night, it didn't have to be here 9am this morning ;)
[14:22] <smittix> Anyone know why access my site via www doesnt work but leaving it out does?
[14:23] <smittix> Going to www.nixaddict.com shows the default apache page leaving the www out goes to the right place :/
[14:23] <AlanBell> smittix: need an alias in your apache site config
[14:23] <smittix> AlanBell: The alias is there already
[14:24] <AlanBell> it is wrong then :)
[14:24] <AlanBell> or the default is wrong
[14:24] <MooDoo> smittix: pastebin the conf
[14:25] <smittix> http://pastebin.com/ipyrWeY7
[14:25] <s-fox> smittix,  Started following on twitter :)
[14:26] <smittix> s-fox: Huh?
[14:27] <MooDoo> smittix: restarted apache?
[14:27] <s-fox> I just checked otu your site and saw the feed ;-)  looking at your site config
[14:27] <s-fox> +1 MooDoo
[14:27] <smittix> MooDoo: Yeah
[14:27] <s-fox> hmm
[14:27] <MooDoo> smittix: what do the logs say? anything obvious?
[14:27] <AlanBell> another site config stealing the default?
[14:28] <smittix> atm there is only one site
[14:29] <MattJ> gord, I ordered something from Amazon once and got it 11 months later :)
[14:30] <smittix> MooDoo: No nothing obvious. got me stumped for sure
[14:30] <smittix> Domain has www and @ A records
[14:30] <MooDoo> smittix: hmmmm yeah...just having a thing
[14:30] <MooDoo> think
[14:31] <MooDoo> i had this issue myself once can't remember how i fixed it
[14:31] <oimon> MattJ: how come?
[14:31] <AlanBell> smittix: do you have /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[14:31] <MattJ> oimon, it was just some hard to source book, that they thought they had in stock, but hadn't
[14:32] <oimon> did you still want it a year later?
[14:32] <MattJ> Yep :)
[14:32] <BigRedS> smittix: apache2 -S   is pretty good for working out why requests hit the vhosts they do
[14:32] <MattJ> They sent me an email every couple of months saying they were still working on it, but I could cancel at any time
[14:35] <smittix> AlanBell: Yeah that is there.
[14:36] <AlanBell> smittix: that would be processed first and I think it is stealing your www hits
[14:44] <smittix> AlanBell: Hmm did a a2dissite default. Seemed to fix it.
[14:44] <smittix> Looks like something is going on though as now when you go to www.nixaddict.com it redirects to nixaddict.com and removes the www.
[14:44] <smittix> weird
[14:45] <kirrus> smittix: wordpress?
[14:45] <smittix> kirrus: Yarr
[14:45] <kirrus> it redirects to the configured site url
[14:46] <smittix> Yeah as soon as you said wordpress I realised and changed it.
[14:46] <smittix> ta
[14:46] <MooDoo> :D
[14:46] <kirrus> :)
[14:46] <smittix> Need to find out what the default site was doing though.
[14:51] <oimon> about the coolest video about harmonics and sand you could see http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Oz53w_k_j_A#!
[14:56] <Azelphur> funky
[15:03] <oimon> too bad the tl;dr generation won't get past 10 seconds
[15:05] <Azelphur> oimon: I'm tl;dr generation I got all the way through it
[15:05] <oimon> maybe tl;dr doesn't work for youtube :)
[15:08] <oimon> I must say i've had a productive day today
[15:08] <Azelphur> oimon: it does work, I think tl;dr is a good thing tbh :P
[15:08] <oimon> how? the people that say tl;dr also play skyrim for 5hrs without stopping
[15:08] <dogmatic69> would it be possible to calculate the width of some text in terminal?
[15:09] <Azelphur> oimon: because it facilitates people trying to get their point across in a fast manner
[15:09] <sagaci> popey, was that reference to not using xchat for years was because you use the xchat-gnome package instead?
[15:10] <awilkins> dogmatic69, Yes, because terminals tend to use monospaced fonts so you just count the chars and multiply?
[15:11] <dogmatic69> awilkins: forgot to mention ttf's
[15:11] <sagaci> because xchat-gnome is translatable via launchpad so I'll just use the -gnome version instead to get the proper translations and not have to worry about the translations syncing for months or years on end
[15:11] <popey> que?
[15:11] <bigcalm> ue
[15:11] <oimon> how can i find g+ sparks?
[15:12] <iclebyte> any one familiar with isc-dhcpd? Is there are way to make it log the value of the agent.remote-id value from an incomming DHCPDISCOVER ?
[15:12] <awilkins> dogmatic69, 2D drawing toolkits have methods to measure text in given font sizes, not sure how to do it in terminal (unless you write an app that does it and call it from terminal)
[15:13] <dogmatic69> ye, ill try a few things.
[15:13] <dogmatic69> looks like rendering said text with something like phpgd and then getting the size of the image
[15:14] <oimon> sparks no longer appears in g+, am i right?
[15:17] <gord> dogmatic69, pango has a method for doing that, so just execute pango inside python or something
[15:19] <dogmatic69> where are fonts stored on ubuntu?
[15:20] <MooDoo> /usr/share/fonts or /usr/local/share/fonts?
[15:20] <MooDoo> gedit /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[15:21] <MooDoo> i think
[15:26] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: was i right?
[15:29] <oimon> just noticed a 10mb half-duplex port on the network...belongs to an mac address of an apple device
[15:30] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: found some in /usr/share/fonts
[15:30] <dogmatic69> thanks
[15:30] <MooDoo> no worries
[15:30] <MooDoo> oimon: gods damit ;)
[16:17] <awilkins> I feel dreadful. I'm incubating some kind of viral horror.
[16:19] <danfish> awilkins: ewww. Don't spread it in here :P
[16:20] <danfish> I've got a couple of users attached to a machine using X-forwarding. Is there any way I can pop a message up on their screens to the effect of "Don't switch off now"?
[16:22] <awilkins> notify-send ?
[16:23] <bigcalm> That's cool
[16:23] <bigcalm> I just sent myself a foo bar notification
[16:23] <danfish> tx I'l give it a whirl
[16:25] <awilkins> Doesn't seem to work from another user session
[16:27] <oimon> someone remind me which is the more useful windows server licensing mode? server or device?
[16:28] <daubers> oimon: The bin?
[16:28] <oimon> s/more useful/less restrictive
[16:28] <awilkins> danfish, Found a script that supposedly sends to all sessions but so far has problems
[16:30] <AlanBell> does write(1) link to libnotify I wonder?
[16:30] <oimon> tomboy sure does beat trawling a pile of post it notes
[16:31] <danfish> awilkins: tx again. I may have stumbled over a solution - they're running via NX sessions and apparently "nxserver --broadcast MESSAGE" is supposed to do something
[16:31] <awilkins> danfish, AlanBell : http://pastebin.com/tqmWauiP  : This works but needs a small edit (sessionarray variable) and doesn't have the same usage as notify-send
[16:31] <AlanBell> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/write.1posix.html
[16:32] <danfish> mind you there's someone using straight X-forwarding fo awilkins script's prob best
[16:32] <awilkins> And the other downer to notify-send is that the messages are transient and don't go in a message queue that you can review easily from Unity / GNOME AFAICT
[16:32] <danfish> ah, heh, that user would be me
[16:34] <awilkins> However, much amusement ensuing from rude popup messages.
[16:35] <AlanBell> someone should do a write-> libnotify gateway
[16:35] <awilkins> danfish, Healthcare related NX servers on Ubuntu?
[16:35] <danfish> awilkins: of course!
[16:35] <danfish> AlanBell: well volunteered that man :)
[16:38] <danfish> awilkins: nah - trialing thinstation -> NX sessions as a bit of an experiment using ancient hardware on the client end
[16:40] <awilkins> danfish, They are testing out VDI on us. You have to justify why you don't want it if you get a new machine around here.
[16:40] <awilkins> danfish, In general, I think were are probably the worst user group ever to try out VDI on. We all have peculiar needs.
[16:41] <awilkins> The developers are all holding out their laptop upgrades for the new 17" TurboNutter workstation class laptops
[16:41] <awilkins> 8GB of RAM. Quadro GPU. 1920x1080 screen.
[16:41] <awilkins> Quad core CPU
[16:41] <danfish> awilkins: hmmm, used citrix at DoH 10 years ago. Horrible
[16:42] <awilkins> Yeah, remember having to adapt an old VB3 application to Citrix
[16:42] <awilkins> Or debug it, at least
[16:43] <awilkins> Which was extra joyful. It was written in the days when you had C:\ and that was the end of it
[16:43] <danfish> do those TurboNutter laptops come with free osteopathy sessions?
[16:43] <awilkins> danfish, Probably not
[16:43] <awilkins> danfish, The extra silly bit is that we may need 2 laptops
[16:44] <awilkins> One for normal use, one for developing/testing a particular application that needs a 64-bit machine
[16:44] <awilkins> ie - 64-bits including the OS
[16:44] <danfish> that's daft
[16:44] <awilkins> NHS needs to pull head from arse and get with the 64-bit era
[16:44] <popey> AlanBell: had a play with live-build before?
[16:45] <awilkins> Because we have no approved 64-bit OS build we'd have to keep the 64-bit machine in our DMZ
[16:45] <awilkins> And thus unable to access any internal server resources, what joy
[16:46] <danfish> hmm, quite
[16:52] <awilkins> Is it wrong that I'm lurking in the #ubuntuone channel because I put a job application in for a post as an Ubuntu One dev?
[16:52] <MooDoo> awilkins: lurking is wrong.
[16:52] <MooDoo> you should be partaking :)
[16:52] <MooDoo> making yourslef look good :D
[16:52] <awilkins> Yeah, probably.
[16:53] <awilkins> Poll : do you hate it when job adverts don't indicate a salary?
[16:53] <popey> awilkins: how did you hear about the job?
[16:53] <awilkins> popey, Canonical jobs page
[16:53] <popey> ah
[16:53] <popey> not sent there by someone's G+ of FB post? ☺
[16:53] <awilkins> Nope
[16:53] <popey> k
[16:53] <oimon> i never know whether canonical hiring phase is fixed or ongoing
[16:54] <oimon> they advertise for certain roles but don't have close date
[16:54] <awilkins> Sent there by having to work on horrific awful doomed software project
[16:54] <MooDoo> awilkins: it took a few days for me to get a "thanks but no thanks" from them :D
[16:54] <awilkins> MooDoo, Yeah, I got one of those before for another post (on Bazaar team)
[16:54] <MooDoo> pah!
[16:54] <popey> oimon: they close when people are hired
[16:55] <oimon> :P
[16:55] <popey> or if the job is withdrawn (less often)
[16:55]  * popey is hiring at the moment
[16:55] <awilkins> Minor ctrl-W malfunction
[16:56] <MooDoo> engineering right popey ?
[16:56] <popey> ya
[16:56] <awilkins> I actually did hang and talk in #bzr for a long while when I was working on a project using it here
[16:56] <oimon> WFH or irl?
[16:56] <awilkins> (using it because I introduced it because I got sick of waiting for SVN to do checkouts in 12 minutes)
[16:56] <awilkins> IRL
[16:56] <MooDoo> i want to work in jono's team :D they party hard er er cough work hard :)
[16:56] <popey> they work _very_ hard
[16:57] <Laney> bzr checkouts are fast? </troll>
[16:57] <awilkins> http://www.datadictionary.nhs.uk/  ; The model that this content is constructed from is version controlled using Bazaar
[16:57]  * Laney flees
[16:57]  * popey flows
[16:57]  * oimon runs for the train
[16:57] <awilkins> bzr operations are an order of magnitude faster than svn
[16:57] <awilkins> Crap, train
[16:57]  * awilkins starts shutting down
[16:57] <oimon> finally remembered to update my mp3 with linux podcasts
[16:58] <MooDoo> popey: i was in their channel for their meeting yesterday, jono...ok i've done this this this this this this this this monday, and this this this thist tuesday etc etc and the whole team was like it :D
[16:58] <Laney> aren't they advertising for someone?
[16:59] <MooDoo> yes i think they have interviews soon
[16:59] <Laney> on it?
[16:59] <oimon> good to hear the cost of purchasing ubuntu is well spent :)
[16:59] <AlanBell> popey: no, not played with live-build, what is it?
[17:00] <popey> tool for building custom ISO images
[17:00] <popey> tis fun
[17:09]  * daubers finally downlaods the latest uupc
[17:09] <popey> yay
[17:09] <popey> i listened to that on the way to work today
[17:09] <popey> which reminds me I need to do the quiz for next week
[17:10] <awilkins> So, train is packed. Bleeding Christmas shopping season. Dear shoppers - do not travel in commuter hours.
[17:10] <daubers> Heh, I'm in the Hackspace this evening, so thought it would be good background stuff for that :)
[17:13] <bigcalm> Off to Ikea tonight. Wondering how bad it will be mid-week after work hours (so glad they are open until 10pm)
[17:13]  * Laney is off to buy home brewing kit
[17:13] <MooDoo> bigcalm: who cares, hotdogs :)
[17:13] <Laney> ex ci ti ng
[17:13] <MooDoo> Laney: bullwell?
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> Laney: i.e. arduino for the fermentation fridge? :)
[17:13] <Laney> nah, too much effort, wilkos
[17:13] <bigcalm> MooDoo: thinking about the meatballs actually ;)
[17:13] <Laney> MartijnVdS: that would be exciting!
[17:14] <MooDoo> Laney: i get mine from there :)
[17:14] <Laney> yeah?
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> Laney: http://www.elcojacobs.com/uberfridge/
[17:14] <MooDoo> bigcalm: coooooooooooooooor 20 :)
[17:14] <bigcalm> And free refill hot drinks
[17:14] <MooDoo> Laney: yeah barrel, mashing bucket, etc etc
[17:14] <danfish> MartijnVdS: that's one good setup :)
[17:14] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I will probably be silly and order the large portion. Which is far too many really
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> danfish: I'll probably be building that with/for my brothers
[17:15] <Laney> the basic stuff should be ok from wilkos
[17:15] <Laney> (i hope...)
[17:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i normally do with fries :) and then have a coulple of hotdogs on way out
[17:15] <MooDoo> lol
[17:15] <danfish> MartijnVdS: cool
[17:15] <MooDoo> but i am tall :D  that's my excuse
[17:15] <bigcalm> MooDoo: a couple? Oh dear :)
[17:16] <MooDoo> Laney: yes basic stuff is ok :) just make sure the pressure barrel tap is closed before you add anything to it...ooops :D
[17:16] <Laney> heh
[17:16] <danfish> Laney: if you decide to make a 30L water/wort boiler, heating elements from 5 pound cheapo kettles work well
[17:17] <Laney> first lot is going to be from a kit
[17:17] <MooDoo> Laney: mine normally are
[17:18] <Laney> after that i'd like to do it all
[17:18] <awilkins> Nectarine wine was a surprise winner.
[17:19] <awilkins> Oh fhs, phone IRC client
[17:19] <danfish> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camra-Guide-Brewing-Graham-Wheeler/dp/185249137X/ref=cm_lmf_tit_1   <- best homebrew book eva!
[17:20] <awilkins> Malt beer and ripe meat off the bone...
[17:22] <gordonjcp> mmm, homebrew
[17:23]  * daubers used to make homebrew at Uni
[17:23] <daubers> Not done it for ages
[17:23] <daubers> cold flats make it difficult
[17:24] <gordonjcp> I used to stay in a not terribly warm flat, but I had a pair of horking great servers in a 6'x6' cupboard along with the hot water tank
[17:24] <gordonjcp> it stayed at a steady 24°C no matter what
[17:24] <daubers> going to look at a house with a surveyor tomorro \o/
[17:25] <gordonjcp> if it started getting a bit cool in there I'd fire some jobs onto Carolyne's render farm
[17:25] <daubers> heh
[17:25] <awilkins> I could put mine by the exhaust fro my PC or the MythTV box
[17:26] <gordonjcp> my then-gf had four Sun Ultra 5s in there
[17:28] <Laney> http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=24639#p272628
[17:59] <mistertim> Hey all - was just wondering, would any of you be able to point me in the direction of where Gnome logs errors on startup? I'm setting up my laptop to use xmonad as the window manager,  and keep getting a "failed to load session" error, but can't find anymore detail anywhere on my system.
[18:01] <awilkins> .xsession-errors  ? (cant remember)
[18:03] <mistertim> awilkins: I thought so too, but there's nothing in there that's pertinent
[18:04] <mistertim> thanks anyway!
[18:05] <tim_> nick mistertim
[18:05] <mistertim> oops sorry
[18:43] <awilkins> Arggh. Train 15 mins late. Fail.
[18:46] <awilkins> Is pangolin a bot? Or Mark Shuttleworth?
[18:46] <pangolin> yes.
[18:48] <awilkins> I should know better than to ask boolean questions...
[18:50] <pangolin> :)
[18:50] <pangolin> I am not Mark and I am also not a bot.
[18:51] <awilkins> That was my suspicion.
[18:51] <awilkins> Although a part of me wanted to believe that it was both.
[18:54] <awilkins> Trains suck.
[18:54] <awilkins> Well, trains rock, the specific implementation here sucks.
[18:56] <awilkins> I demand a subterranean metro-Shikansen PRT network that covers the entire UK to within a reasonable walking distance.
[19:37]  * AlanBell orders a nice curry
[19:37]  * brobostigon is jealous. :(
[19:38] <Pendulum> now I want curry and cupcakes :(
[19:38] <Pendulum> I am highly suggestive about food today
[19:38] <AlanBell> is vindaloo nice?
[19:39] <AlanBell> I know it is hot, which is fine, but is it tasty?
[19:39]  * czajkowski has ordered chicken tika to start with followed by buttered chicken and rice 
[19:39] <brobostigon> never tried, sorry.
[19:39] <czajkowski> with some garlic bread
[19:40] <czajkowski> <---- feckin' starvin'
[19:40] <Pendulum> czajkowski: have you eaten all day?
[19:40] <czajkowski> I had peanut butter on toast this morning
[19:40] <czajkowski> and a kitkat at lunch
[19:40] <Pendulum> erm... lunch?
[19:40] <czajkowski> so this could be the issue
[19:40] <Pendulum> yeah
[19:40] <Pendulum> I'd say it is
[19:40] <Pendulum> even I don't call that lunch :P
[19:41]  * AlanBell has soup for lunch most days at the moment
[19:41] <czajkowski> was an ickle bit busy
[19:42] <Pendulum> AlanBell: soup is more food than a kitkat
[19:43] <AlanBell> it is
[19:43] <AlanBell> I might have eaten a wispa that someone accidentally left in the kitchen too
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> "accidentally"
[19:45] <AlanBell> vindaloo ordered
[19:45] <brobostigon> "accidentally2 eating a box of biscuits, that you found, on your desk. :)
[19:45] <czajkowski> dear dinner please hurry up
[19:45] <czajkowski> you were ordered at 6:45
[19:45] <AlanBell> brobostigon: yeah, we have accidentally run out of biscuits
[19:45] <czajkowski> am fit to eat my fingers
[19:45] <brobostigon> AlanBell: hmmm, :(
[19:55] <AlanBell> any last takers for the christmas meal in London? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[19:55]  * AlanBell will adjust the reservation from 9 to 8 very shortly
[19:57] <Pendulum> may have just talked the family into curry for dinner \o/
[19:57] <Pendulum> now to figure out where I can buy decent cupcakes for myself...
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: do you have the ingredients + a microwave?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ecurry.com/blog/desserts/microwave-cupcake/
[19:58] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: yes, but would still have to make frosting. Also, those are inferior cupcakes.
[19:58] <AlanBell> http://craphound.com/images/tumblr_lunq83BSZh1r4fd4po1_1280.jpg
[20:00] <Pendulum> AlanBell: the problem is I saw https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150410585137605.367578.24641612604&type=3 first
[20:00] <Pendulum> and now I want
[20:00] <AlanBell> ooh, those are fancy
[20:00] <Pendulum> yeah
[20:11] <smittix> evening all.
[20:43]  * AlanBell ate the vindaloo
[20:43] <brobostigon> good?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> "Eat ALL the vindaloo"
[20:43] <AlanBell> I am in a little bit of pain
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: wait until tomorrow :)
[20:44] <brobostigon> lol :)
[20:45] <Myrtti> mmmmmmm curry
[20:45]  * brobostigon likes making his own.
[21:01]  * jacobw is watching an anime called 'casshan'
[21:01] <jacobw> its somewhat implausible, the robot overlords are more human like than the human protagonists
[21:14] <Acou_Bass> hi, i heard I can get ubuntu help here?
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> You've come to the right place :)
[21:14] <Acou_Bass> ive been having network connection issues, seems to only be ubuntu that does it..
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Acou_Bass: wired? wireless? 3g?
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Acou_Bass: laptop? desktop machine?
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Acou_Bass: tablet
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> ?
[21:15] <Acou_Bass> wireless, desktop :P
[21:15] <Acou_Bass> its a PCI wireless card, and it disconnects whenever i receive skype video call/screenshare - ive tried the usual power management turn-off
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> what kind of chipset?
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> (if you don't know, you can paste the output of lspci on pastebin)
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[21:16] <lubotu3`> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:16] <Acou_Bass> its a ralink 3060
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> ah, ralink have the worst drivers :(
[21:17] <Acou_Bass> ive already had to compile drivers for it =\
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> which version of Ubuntu?
[21:17] <Acou_Bass> 11.10 64-bit
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> aren't ralink drivers included these days? apparently not..
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: ! :)
[21:18] <Acou_Bass> nah, and the instructions that came on the disk werent exactly helpful, had to get the ubuntuforums people to help hehe
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> I'd advice getting a wire in place if at all possible :)
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> s
[21:19] <zleap> hi
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> or maybe look on the wiki
[21:19] <Acou_Bass> not possible =\ routers on the other side + floor of my house, plus theres 3 computers in the house that go to router
[21:19] <zleap> anyone know how to run minecraft on ubuntu from http://www.minecraft.net/download
[21:19] <zleap> downloaded waht seems a small minecraft.jar file in to a subdirectory of my home folder
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> zleap: yes.. and you installed sun-java?
[21:20] <AlanBell> Acou_Bass: you might find a £10 USB wifi dongle is easier than sorting the drivers for the unsupported one
[21:20] <zleap> is that the same one that cmes with libreoffice
[21:20] <zleap> comes
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> zleap: pastebin java --version ?
[21:21] <Acou_Bass> yeah i figured that hehe, its already a new wireless card but it was cheap
[21:21] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/bC45airb
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> zleap: that's openjdk, not sun-java
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> zleap: you need to install sun's java stuff and either remove  openjdk or use update-java-alternatives (or something) to make Sun Java the default
[21:24]  * AlanBell has run minecraft on openjdk without much fussing about
[21:24] <zleap> ok i am now strugging to install the right one
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: coworker had lots of problems with openjdk
[21:24] <AlanBell> zleap: have you run java -jar minecraft.jar
[21:24] <AlanBell> and did it not just work?
[21:24] <zleap> i am trying to follow whjat it says on the site
[21:24] <zleap> No things never just work on ubuntu
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> does it give you an error message?
[21:25] <AlanBell> minecraft just worked for me
[21:25] <zleap> hang on i clcked the wrong thing and it didn't let me go back to agree to the license
[21:25] <AlanBell> I think if you just make the .jar executable it just runs
[21:26] <Acou_Bass> yeah i never had to fiddle to make minecraft work... and i dont have sun java XD i didnt like it though so meh that went off my computer fast
[21:27]  * AlanBell thinks sun/oracle java is likely to break stuff more than it fixes stuff these days
[21:27] <Acou_Bass> any recommendations on wireless cards thatll work right away without me having to fiddle round even more?
[21:27] <Acou_Bass> preferably PCI slot ones
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> Atheros chips work well
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> as do Intels (but they don't come on cards I think)
[21:28] <zleap> if i instrall sun java is it going to screw up openjdk and thjerefore libreoffice ?
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> zleap: no. But you should not need to install Sun java.
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> zleap: What error message do you get if you try to run the jar?
[21:29] <zleap> you jujst said i need it
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> zleap: I thought you did, but AlanBell and Acou_Bass disagree
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> zleap: and as they actually use MC, and I don't... :)
[21:30] <Acou_Bass> used - i played it for like a day and got bored
[21:31] <AlanBell> both java implementations should work, but I have seen no evidence to suggest you have a problem with openJDK yet
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> (or at all)
[21:31] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/Xs4VzzF9
[21:31] <zleap> if that is n't the output no idea what is going wrong
[21:32] <zleap> i pasted once it won't let me do it a second time
[21:32] <Acou_Bass> you tried openJDK-7?
[21:33] <zleap> that is installed
[21:33] <zleap> or somethingis
[21:33] <zleap> I am not a techie,
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> zleap: can you paste the bit AFTER you run java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[21:33] <Acou_Bass> it says 1.6.22... im not a techie either but i thought jdk-7 said 1.7 not 1.6 :p
[21:34] <zleap> MartijnVdS, pastebin won't let me
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> zleap: make a new paste?
[21:34] <zleap> not working
[21:35] <zleap> i won't give me a link
[21:35] <zleap> just a 2nd text box under the one i paste in to with the same information
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> You're not helping.. does it show an error message? if so, which error message? to which page are you posting? try going back to the main page? try a different pastebin?
[21:35] <AlanBell> zleap: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <zleap> http://paste.ubuntu.com/755385/
[21:37] <zleap> btw i am trying to help another user with this
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> ???
[21:38] <AlanBell> zleap: try java -jar minecraft.jar
[21:38] <AlanBell> or Minecraft.jar
[21:38] <jacobw> he's relaying instructions to another person
[21:38]  * jacobw thinks
[21:38] <AlanBell> does it have a capital M
[21:38] <zleap> so trying to figure yeah
[21:38] <zleap> ok that did something
[21:39] <AlanBell> that Xmx1024 stuff is for if you have memory issues and it doesn't just work
[21:39] <zleap> so why does it say that on the website then
[21:39] <AlanBell> The jar is executable and might work as-is. If you run into memory issues, try launching it with java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame, also please use Sun's JVM.
[21:40] <AlanBell> it does just work as is on Ubuntu
[21:40] <jacobw> s/Sun/Oracle
[21:40] <AlanBell> I think if you chmod+x the file it will just autolaunch with java
[21:41] <AlanBell> "right click the jar file, permissions, executable, double click, yay \o/" is roughly the procedure
[21:43] <jacobw> how does one remove the mint search enhancer?
[21:43]  * jacobw looks forward to migrating to precise
[21:43] <AlanBell> how did one add the mint search enhancer?
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> By using the wrong install disk? ;)
[21:44] <jacobw> all my users use linux mint, therefore i use linux mint
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. the Mint onw)
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> one
[21:44] <AlanBell> !mint
[21:44] <lubotu3`> Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[21:44] <jacobw> :)
[21:45] <jacobw> gah, its not Freenode?!
[21:45] <jacobw> most annoying :|
[21:45] <AlanBell> it is
[21:45] <AlanBell> I use freenode and occasionally gimp.org and one channel on irc.lug.org.uk
[21:46] <zleap> thanks i got it workng,
[21:46] <AlanBell> \o/
[21:48] <zleap> yay he got it working too,  thanks guys
[21:49] <Acou_Bass> bah ill kill my friend - asked him recently about a new wireless card + he told me to buy this ralink one, saying yeah itll work right away
[21:49] <Acou_Bass> thinks ill look around for other advice that isnt his ;D
[21:49] <jacobw> does he use linux?
[21:50] <Acou_Bass> if that was to me - yeah he uses ubuntu 11.10 too
[21:51] <zleap> if i copy minecraft.jar into /usr/games does that mean any user can run it
[21:51] <jacobw> i used to have a ralink card, it was difficult to configure for a long time, eventually the drivers i needed where incorporated in to the kernel
[21:51] <Acou_Bass> well its working, im connected to it right now
[21:52] <jacobw> most intel wifi cards works
[21:52] <Acou_Bass> it just has a habit of disconnecting after 5 minutes of video call or screenshare
[21:52] <Acou_Bass> it reminds me alot of when i first install ubuntu on my comp and i had to set the power management off
[21:52] <AlanBell> zleap: if it is chmod rwxr-xr-x
[21:52] <Acou_Bass> but ive tried that and nothing happened ;p
[21:53] <zleap> ok
[21:56] <jacobw> hmm #linuxmint-help is like #ubuntu but worse
[21:58] <Myrtti> does this surprise you?
[21:58] <Myrtti> it shouldn't
[21:59] <Acou_Bass> alright im looking down the list of ubuntu certified hardware, theres 3 atheron ones - will any of these do or does the [168c:*other number here*] bit hold relevence to what i need
[22:00] <AlanBell> precise alpha 1 is being built it seems
[22:01] <AlanBell> jacobw: worse in what way?
[22:02] <jacobw> lower signal to noise ratio
[22:06] <AlanBell> ok, challenge for you
[22:07] <AlanBell> click the clock in the indicator area then use the keyboard to go down to the days
[22:07] <AlanBell> without using the mouse or pressing return, get out from there
[22:09] <cliftonts> how long does that take Alan?
[22:09]  * Laney can haz brewing kit
[22:09] <Laney> need bottles now
[22:09] <Daviey> AlanBell: enter, pause, left, enter.
[22:09] <Daviey> ah, without pressing return/enter
[22:10] <AlanBell> ah, F10 closes the indicators
[22:10] <AlanBell> so many bugs there, the thing is a complete mess
[22:10] <AlanBell> everything is a tickbox
[22:10] <AlanBell> indicator headers are mostly just "image"
[22:11] <AlanBell> you get trapped on the calendar which is silent
[22:12] <AlanBell> banshee decides it can just launch because you put focus on it
[22:36] <AlanBell> guess what I am doing here http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out
[22:40] <Guest62724> Hello all - Mike here.  Does anyone know how to set a single piece of music running over all slides over an Open Office or Libre office presentation?
[22:42] <AlanBell> Guest62724: have a music player running in the background
[22:43] <Guest62724> thanks Alan :)  I was thinking of something a little more professional :)
[22:43] <AlanBell> hire a string quartet to play along with it?
[22:44] <Guest62724> Unless there is some simple video making software that might make it easier to do than using libre.  Its essentially only a video I am running anyway
[22:44] <popey> Evening all
[22:45] <AlanBell> it is an interesting question Guest62724, I can't see a way to do it
[22:45] <AlanBell> in openshot or other video editor it is fairly simple to add an audio track
[22:46] <LancsMike> In essence, and I cant believe this is anything other than simple to do, I have a 2-3 minute video/presentation that I want to use as the intro to a conference speech.  Its a few pictures, some flying bullet points and some music in the background and thats it.  I thought Libre might be the best place to start
[22:49] <LancsMike> though at the minute, I cant seem to figure out how to get the music to continually run irrespective of slide changes.  Is this something that can be done or do I need to get hold of and learn (really dont want to do that) something more professional?
[22:49] <AlanBell> I don't think it is a matter of more professional
[22:50] <AlanBell> if you want 3d text flying about over video and music you might want openshot
[22:50] <AlanBell> and install blender to get the openshot animated titles
[22:51] <LancsMike> would it be easier if I gave you an idea of what I was looking to do?  Was thinking bullets over pictures (though could have that 'zoom in' effect on the pictures) with the music in the background
[22:51] <LancsMike> (I have a video that was sent to me as an example)
[22:51] <LancsMike> i.e. each new slide is a new picture, with a couple of new flying bullet points
[22:52] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: quickly looking through Google suggests that a video editor might well be best as you surmised.
[22:52] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5smhy9OB-CM
[22:52] <AlanBell> professional video ^^
[22:52] <AlanBell> note the title flying about
[22:53] <LancsMike> that really did make me laugh....
[22:54] <popey> hmmm
[22:54] <drhodesmumby> I will never look at popey in the same way again. 0_0
[22:56] <LancsMike> ok - il give you an idea where I got the idea from.  The video with the link to follow (its a political video and was sent to me at work by someone who thought this would be a good idea - so forget the politics, which doesnt interest me, its the way it delivers the info) is what I am thinking of emulating
[22:57] <AlanBell> you could do a screencast of a LibreOffice presentation and import the screencast into openshot and add music and bling there
[22:57] <LancsMike> I run a legal dept, so I wanted to put pictures of things like court rooms, solicitors etc, with introductory slides as to what the dept does - i.e. 1st slide - a one stop shop.... (next bullet point) for help, support and advice.
[22:57] <LancsMike> Next slide....
[22:58] <LancsMike> "From legal problems..."
[22:58] <LancsMike> "to REAL solutions"
[22:58] <LancsMike> etc....
[22:58] <LancsMike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5smhy9OB-CM
[22:58] <drhodesmumby> Hmm.
[22:58] <LancsMike> you'll see the format idea that im using
[22:58] <AlanBell> or export all the slides as png files and import them to openshot
[22:58] <AlanBell> that would be better than a screencast of a presentation
[22:59] <AlanBell> LancsMike: nope, you pasted the ironing video again!
[22:59] <drhodesmumby> Although that would exclude animations.
[22:59] <AlanBell> drhodesmumby: it would exclude animations done in Impress, yes
[22:59] <LancsMike> darn.  ok.  forget the politics (it honestly isnt my thing, its the way the video gives the bullet points over the pictures) http://vimeo.com/2028379
[22:59] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: I would suggest the media player built into Impress but that's still not really what you're looking for.
[23:00] <drhodesmumby> And as a politics student, I could never forget the politics. ;-)
[23:00] <drhodesmumby> Well, save for in this channel because otherwise I'll get a telling off.
[23:00] <AlanBell> yeah, that is a video titling tool that did that LancsMike
[23:00] <LancsMike> i.e. the slide after the last one I mentioned would be "From County Court Claims......"   (new bullet point)  "To Defended Actions...."
[23:01] <drhodesmumby> Although now I want to run after seeing the video.
[23:01] <AlanBell> and that would be an *expensive* video
[23:01] <LancsMike> I wasnt looking for the bells and whistles
[23:01] <drhodesmumby> Could it be jigged so that you could have the media player ready in the background to play while the presentation was still full-screen?
[23:02] <drhodesmumby> And then you can start both simultaneously with no-one even seeing the media player?
[23:02] <LancsMike> It was just going to be pictures of the dept, the work it does, and some simple bullet points covering its achievements over the last 12 months.
[23:02] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: would that be adequate or would it be ideal to embed the music?
[23:02] <AlanBell> LancsMike: install openshot and blender, do not attempt to use blender, openshot just needs it as a dependency for the fancy titles
[23:02] <AlanBell> plan to spend quite a lot of hours messing about with it
[23:03] <drhodesmumby> AlanBell: 'do not attempt to use Blender' - I think that's the best bit of advice anyone's ever given with regard to that software.
[23:03] <AlanBell> :)
[23:03] <LancsMike> Im happy to spend the time (ive done about 5-6 hours already tonight) but just wanted to see if what I wanted to do was 'doable'
[23:03] <AlanBell> yeah, it is
[23:04] <AlanBell> blender can do all the stuff in that fancy video itself, but it is kinda hard
[23:04] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: as I said, does the music have to be embedded?
[23:04] <AlanBell> openshot you will actually get a finished result before the heat death of the universe
[23:05] <AlanBell> and do show us the results!
[23:05] <LancsMike> Well this is my first attempt at anything like this
[23:06] <LancsMike> Unfortunately, I have my company's conference in 7 days and have to put a presentation together - normally, people go for death by powerpoint so this is me just trying something a little more adventurous
[23:07] <drhodesmumby> I'm thinking something like this: soffice -show <presentation> &; mediaplayer -play <music)
[23:07] <LancsMike> ...which is why I wanted the music as part of the video, so I can just set it running and leave it be :)
[23:07] <AlanBell> LancsMike: got a fairly decent CPU?
[23:07] <LancsMike> at work I do....
[23:08] <AlanBell> good, it is a CPU and memory hungry process
[23:08] <AlanBell> mostly CPU
[23:08] <popey>  s/27
[23:08] <popey> BAH!
[23:09] <LancsMike> Openshot?
[23:09] <AlanBell> !info openshot
[23:09] <LancsMike> god this is a whole new thing....
[23:09] <AlanBell> slow bot
[23:09] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install openshot blender
[23:10] <LancsMike> Ive installed them, Im now starting learning how to use them..... :)
[23:10] <drhodesmumby> Actually, a question here
[23:10] <LancsMike> please do....
[23:10] <drhodesmumby> Are you using Libreoffice in Ubuntu at work? Or is this Libreoffice on Windows?
[23:10] <drhodesmumby> If it's Windows then we might need a different approach.
[23:10] <LancsMike> erm...both actually.
[23:10] <drhodesmumby> Which one will you be delivering the presentation with?
[23:11] <LancsMike> I have a works laptop which dual boots into Ubuntu (though IT dont know about that....)
[23:11] <AlanBell> nice :)
[23:11] <AlanBell> http://www.openshot.org/videos/
[23:11] <hamitron> naughty.... like it ;/
[23:12] <drhodesmumby> Heh, nice.
[23:12] <LancsMike> Yeah.  got my work email set up in it though havent quite conquered the network yet...
[23:12] <AlanBell> wow, openshot 1.4 looks awesome
[23:13] <drhodesmumby> Hmm.
[23:13] <AlanBell> but 1.3 is great too
[23:13] <drhodesmumby> I suspect the concurrent media player and presentation approach would be easiest TBH.
[23:14] <AlanBell> easiest, but not the most wowiest
[23:14] <LancsMike> seriously?  I thought (me being a 'dabbler' on the old computer at best) that this would be easy and just me being someone who needed to learn (albeit quickly) how to do it
[23:15] <drhodesmumby> http://www.slideshare.net/NeogainSEO/how-to-convert-a-document-into-a-youtube-video-part-2
[23:15] <hamitron> I reckon a couple of huge paper posters would get most people talking
[23:15] <hamitron> ;)
[23:15] <LancsMike> think costs hamitron :)
[23:15] <hamitron> powerpoint is so predictable
[23:15] <drhodesmumby> Uses Libreoffice and Openshot to basically achieve what AlanBell is suggesting.
[23:15] <hamitron> cost?
[23:15] <hamitron> :/
[23:16] <LancsMike> paper posters....costs
[23:16] <hamitron> so does toilet paper
[23:16] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: I think it's probably just an area which has been neglected in Impress' development.
[23:16]  * hamitron likes posters
[23:17] <LancsMike> ok - so silly question - If I get the slide show working (and manually figure out the timing for the bullet points etc) can I get the music going, in the background, with no one knowing?
[23:17] <LancsMike> and is that really the easiest way of doing it?
[23:18] <LancsMike> (cos Im going to have to sit here listening to the same bit of music over and over again and changing the timing on every single bullet point movement)
[23:18] <drhodesmumby> Do the slides have to be in sync with the music?
[23:18] <LancsMike> would be better....
[23:19] <drhodesmumby> Erk. I'm not sure then.
[23:20] <drhodesmumby> The people on #documentfoundation might know something that we don't, maybe?
[23:20] <LancsMike> cos the alternative is that I call our marketing dept up tomorrow and they charge me a couple of grand to put this video together and it then loses its, I dont know, surprise "arent they good" factor if the company has actually had to pay for it :)
[23:20] <drhodesmumby> Although it's a fairly small channel...
[23:21] <drhodesmumby> The easiest solution of all may simply be to use Powerpoint itself, assuming you have it installed?
[23:21]  * AlanBell still thinks LancsMike can do it in openshot
[23:21] <AlanBell> how would powerpoint help?
[23:22] <drhodesmumby> I believe it supports background music.
[23:22] <LancsMike> oh no.................death by powerpoint!!!!!
[23:22] <drhodesmumby> Hmm.
[23:22] <drhodesmumby> One moment, let's see if there's an analogue somewhere...
[23:23] <AlanBell> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=30904
[23:23] <AlanBell> you can use an impress macro to launch a background music player
[23:24] <AlanBell> but openshot is more fun
[23:25] <drhodesmumby> AlanBell: a background music player is basically what I was suggesting earlier, although I'd just launch them both simultaneously from the terminal.
[23:25] <drhodesmumby> Irritatingly, it seems that the method of making background music work in Powerpoint really isn't available for Impress.
[23:26] <LancsMike> Is that however still not dependent on me working out the musical timing?
[23:26] <hamitron> could you pre-render the presentation to video file, with the music and affects?
[23:26] <AlanBell> still a bit puzzled why a presentation tool would have background music
[23:26] <AlanBell> if there is a presentation going on, then I am talking
[23:26] <drhodesmumby> AlanBell: well, it has sound effects.
[23:27] <AlanBell> if there is a video playing then I will shut up
[23:27] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: and sadly probably yes.
[23:27] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: although I suspect you'd have to work out the timing either way actually, thinking about it.
[23:27] <LancsMike> Ok - clarity.......
[23:27] <LancsMike> this is an introduction video
[23:28] <LancsMike> so theres no one stood on the stage
[23:28] <LancsMike> its supposed to introduce my legal and compliance team
[23:28] <AlanBell> video being the key word in that
[23:28] <LancsMike> so there are bullet points around music
[23:28] <LancsMike> showing what we do
[23:28] <LancsMike> cos its for an end of year awards ceremony
[23:29] <LancsMike> So...........the thought being.........
[23:30] <LancsMike> that since we do a lot of 'bullet pointable' work...such as "From legal problems......to real solutions" and "from County court claims.......to defended actions" etc, the video I am about to attach would be a perfect intro to the speaker.
[23:30] <LancsMike> fast forward this vid to 1:37 - forget the politics, I couldnt care less what the tory party are saying, its the effect I am after.....
[23:30] <LancsMike> http://vimeo.com/2028244
[23:30] <AlanBell> so you have three options, in ascending difficulty, and bling level: Impress+media player, openshot, blender
[23:31] <hamitron> I personally wouldn't want music played seperately to the displayed information, in case the music program delays and you have sync issues. better to have one file (maybe as a video)?
[23:31] <gord> if you use blender all the bullets could have hair physics, bloom, lens focus blur and crumble apart
[23:32] <hamitron> gord: and no time to spare, best start learning ;)
[23:33] <drhodesmumby> hamitron: good point, although I suspect for the most part sync issues would be fairly minor at best - particularly if you already had the programs open and simply used their 'start playing' switches from the CLI.
[23:33] <LancsMike> Take the video sample - each area in black text is a challenge, and when the text flips over into colour, its the answer.  now I dont need all the bells and whistles, I actually have that in my libre presentation as two separate bits of flying text...but it gives an idea hopefully?
[23:33] <drhodesmumby> hamitron: that way you don't even have program startup time as an issue.
[23:34] <hamitron> drhodesmumby, I'd say most of the time it would work, but no real advantage to just having a video file
[23:34] <drhodesmumby> hamitron: oh, I agree with that.
[23:35] <hamitron> and I always assume the worst will happen
[23:35] <hamitron> :/
[23:35] <drhodesmumby> Given all the clarification, I suspect that a video file probably is the very best solution you'll get LancsMike.
[23:35] <drhodesmumby> hamitron: I prefer a more optimistic approach myself. :P
[23:35] <AlanBell> LancsMike: you want the puzzle 7x7 transition probably
[23:37] <LancsMike> 7x7?
[23:37] <drhodesmumby> I think it's an effect name in OpenShot LancsMike.
[23:37] <AlanBell> in openshot on the transitions tab
[23:37] <AlanBell> Puzzle 7 by 7
[23:37] <AlanBell> closest thing I can find to the effect you were after
[23:38] <LancsMike> me too....
[23:41] <drhodesmumby> LancsMike: do you think you've decided on a particular approach now or?...
[23:42]  * AlanBell is rendering
[23:42] <LancsMike> Im just messing with OpenShot - seems pretty good!  though next question is how do you get bullet text to fly onto the picture scenes.... :)
[23:42] <AlanBell> LancsMike: animated title editor
[23:43] <AlanBell> in the menu
[23:43] <AlanBell> that makes a series of png files which act like a video clip and you can drag it to the timeline
[23:43] <AlanBell> then use transitions to go between things on the timelines
[23:44] <LancsMike> uh oh....getting this guys......."Blender, the free open source 3D content creation suite is required for this action (http://www.blender.org).
[23:44] <LancsMike> Please check the preferences in OpenShot and be sure the Blender executable is correct.  This setting should be the path of the 'blender' executable on your computer.  Also, please be sure that it is pointing to Blender version 2.56 or greater.
[23:44] <LancsMike> Blender Path:
[23:44] <LancsMike> blender
[23:44] <LancsMike> Version Detected:
[23:44] <LancsMike> 2.49"
[23:45] <AlanBell> ooh, which version of ubuntu do you have?
[23:45] <AlanBell> this is easily fixed, don't worry
[23:45] <LancsMike> erm.....
[23:45] <LancsMike> dont know.  just got it from the software centre
[23:45] <AlanBell> fine, you are not on ubuntu 11.10
[23:46] <AlanBell> so you need to download blender, you don't need to install it, just download it
[23:46] <LancsMike> No im on 11.04
[23:47] <AlanBell> 64 bit or 32 bit?
[23:47] <LancsMike> 32
[23:47] <AlanBell> http://www.blender.org/dl/http://download.blender.org/release/Blender2.60/blender-2.60a-linux-glibc27-i686.tar.bz2
[23:47] <AlanBell> download that and expand it somewhere in your home directory
[23:49] <AlanBell> in the openshot preferences you then need to set the blender executable to something like /home/mike/Downloads/blender/blender
[23:49] <diplo> evening all
[23:49] <AlanBell> depending on where you expanded it
[23:49] <AlanBell> then the animated titles will work
[23:49] <LancsMike> Thanks Alan - just extracting it now....
[23:55] <LancsMike> wahey.  dont know if its working but it aint giving me grief...
[23:56] <AlanBell> LancsMike: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/demo.mpeg
[23:57] <LancsMike> Nice one....