[05:24] good morning :) [05:59] Morning [06:19] morning superfly and others [06:19] morning Kilos [06:19] and sakhi and bmg505 [06:32] superfly, how do you see what graphics card is in your pc without removing the cover and looking at the card please [06:33] lspci [06:33] ty [06:44] hiya maiatoday [06:45] hi Kilos [07:05] môre maiatoday [07:24] hi superfly [07:25] meh. typical. [07:25] Why hire one senior developer, when you can hire two juniors for the same price? [07:26] Because you think you'll get twice the output, when in fact you'll only get half the output. [07:42] true [09:07] guys where is the graphics card here please [09:07] http://slexy.org/view/s21xaBrzfN [09:07] am i totally blind [09:08] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express [09:08] Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10) [09:09] oh is that onboard? [09:09] ek aanvaar so ja [09:09] not a plugin one [09:09] hi jan [09:09] Hi Kilos [09:09] Langjan, [09:10] do you have a graphics card or are you using the onboard grahics [09:10] dankie Kerbero [09:10] plesier [09:11] How do I find out? [09:11] lol you look where your screen is plugged in [09:11] Kilos, as far as I know its on board [09:12] your lspci shows 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express [09:13] What does that imply? [09:14] i am not sure why [09:14] um [09:14] why its got all nvidia drivers if there isnt a nvidia card plugged in [09:15] Must I open up and have a look? [09:16] But seems like its not using nvidia? [09:17] look at the back and see if screen plugged in at the motherboard level [09:17] or in one of the slots right angled from the motherboard [09:23] Difficult to say like that, its in the same area where all the sound, mouse, ethernet etc. cables are connected. [09:25] ok look inside and see if the screen is plugged into a connection on the motherboard or if its in another card plugged into the motherboard [09:25] I opened up, its directly into the motherboard [09:25] ok [09:25] now we need help from clever guys [09:26] that's why I'm talking to you... [09:26] i dont know if intel uses the nvidia drivers [09:26] nee man [09:26] ja man [09:27] lets first make a backup so you dont lose everything [09:27] intel graphics smost certainly doesn't need nvidia drivers. Neither does an nvidia graphics card, nouveau is fine for non-gaming [09:27] you have a spare partition somewhere hey? [09:27] the only thing that's not backed up is my emails [09:28] tumbleweed, can we purge all nvidia stuff then [09:28] everything else is on 11.04 on the other hard drive, oh except my firefox passwords [09:29] passwords are not major issue, but emails is [09:29] where do you have the spare partition Langjan [09:29] Kilos: just don't even care about it [09:30] Kilos: standard ubuntu intalls include drivers for all sorts of things you don't have [09:30] tumbleweed, its giving hassles with dpkg configuring [09:30] right, get rid of it :) [09:31] tumbleweed, I like your drift [09:31] im scared he ends up with a blank screen [09:31] hehe [09:31] me too, nervous hehe [09:31] Langjan: have you checked lspci? [09:31] ok Langjan [09:31] one does get onboard nvidia graphics [09:32] first we gotta work out how to make email backup with thunderbird [09:32] tumbleweed, kilos made me check lspci [09:32] maak 'n copy van /home/*/.thunderbird [09:34] Kerbero, gee asb die vole command [09:34] volle [09:34] wel [09:34] Langjan, have you got a usb stick [09:34] yes [09:34] gaan in nautilus in, show hidden files bo in die view menu, en copy daai directory erens heen [09:35] ok Langjan lets see if we get this right [09:35] nautilus? onthou eks die oudste op die skinderkanaal... [09:35] open home [09:35] lol [09:37] scroll through all the files in home and you should see .thunderbird [09:38] I have been looking hard for that file for a few days, cannot find it [09:38] do you see lots of files in home Langjan [09:39] Not too many, mostly my documents [09:39] ok go to view and [09:39] um [09:39] view hidden [09:39] tick it [09:39] and some msf files that I put there [09:40] shows the same files [09:40] if you tick view at the top you will see an option show hidden files [09:41] it is ticked, still shows the same files [09:41] i see over 60 folders and files [09:41] and sbd files [09:42] * inetpro wonder of Langjan in die 'home' vouer is [09:42] lots of files with a . in front [09:42] not here [09:42] are you in home Langjan [09:43] places home [09:43] It says jan/home [09:43] then scroll [09:43] open again [09:43] home/jan/home again [09:43] should be /home first then only jan [09:43] you must be in first home [09:43] before jan [09:44] Kilos: nee, in home/jan [09:44] that one has one folder in it named jan [09:44] sec i just look again [09:44] maar jan is die sogenaamde 'home' vouer [09:45] o ja skuus man [09:45] daarin lê al die verskuilde vouers wat met 'n . begin [09:46] now if you scroll there there must be lotsa files [09:46] maar hoekom sien hy hulle nie [09:46] Kilos: omdat hy in /home/jan/home was [09:46] ok nou is ek daar [09:46] sjoe ek was bekommerd [09:47] sien jy nou .thunderbird [09:47] .thunderbird ja [09:47] ek dink dis die een wat jy moet copy na ander plek toe [09:47] is dit reg inetpro ? [09:48] Langjan: just make sure that when you copy thunderbird files that you have closed the application [09:48] ek dof met thunderbird [09:48] dis 2,1 gig, te veel vir my drive [09:48] Kilos: ja alles vir thunderbird is daarbinne [09:48] mooi dankie [09:48] evolution has a backup facility [09:49] saves all settings and existing mails [09:50] so must I install evolution? [09:50] we need info from a thunderbird man to know how to make thunderbird backups [09:51] Langjan: no, just backup your .thunderbird directory [09:51] no we must save all thunderbird info so you dont lose it if we purge nvidia and you got a black screen [09:52] preferably on my other hard drive? [09:52] Kilos: ^^ [09:52] save it to your usb stick Langjan [09:52] its too much for my little stick, lol [09:52] Langjan: anywhere where you won't overwrite it, even accidentally [09:52] ok onto another drive or cd [09:53] ty superfly [09:53] CD is also too small, dvd? [09:53] ja dvd fine [09:53] if you can write to dvd, go ahead [09:54] I think my spare hard drive will be better? [09:55] Kilos: getting a blank screen does not mean that your files will be lost [09:55] anywhere you wont lose it if you need to reinstall [09:55] ja inetpro but he wont know how to get back here to get help [09:56] ok [09:56] im scared it goes blank and he must reinstall maverick [09:57] Langjan: don't install evolution just so you can make a backup [09:57] backing up a folder is peanuts if you just know how [09:58] ok, how do I access the spare drive to backup onto, it does not seem to give me an option to create a folder [10:00] dont you see the spare drive when you go places Langjan [10:00] yes I do [10:00] open it there [10:01] then drag and drop what you want to save to a folder in it [10:01] Langjan: make sure you can create a folder first [10:01] any folder? [10:01] or make a folder on your desktop and name it backup [10:02] yes, in other words, test whether the partition is writable [10:02] then drag that to the spare drive [10:02] ok its backing up 2,8 gigs [10:02] skuus inetpro ek tik nog en sien nie jy't klaar gese wat om te doen nie [10:02] always make sure that you COPY and not MOVE [10:02] sjoe so much [10:03] I can see the drives but am not sure which is which and where the partition is [10:03] when you move data and run into errors you stand a chance to loose data [10:04] should be the option of right clicking on it and go copy to [10:05] Langjan: open two windows with the files and folders [10:05] i think drag and drop copies to other drives but moves on its own drive [10:05] one window with the source folder and the other you make sure that you're in the destination [10:06] in the source folder you rightclick the folder you want to copy and choose copy [10:06] in the destination window you right-click in an open space and choose paste [10:07] Langjan: how much diskspace do you have on the backup device? [10:08] inetpro, what do you mean by "open two windows with the files and folders"? [10:08] 1 gig [10:09] eish [10:09] no man [10:09] Langjan: you open nautilus twice [10:09] that drive is big isnt it [10:09] or what are you using as the file manager? [10:09] thats my flash drive, my soare hard drive is 160 gig [10:10] spare [10:10] Langjan: so copy it to the spare hdd [10:10] thats what I think, only getting totally confused now [10:11] Langjan: take it slow and make sure you understand each step before you do it [10:12] I copied the files to my desktop and also to the desktop on what I think is the spare hard drive [10:12] slow down take a deep breathe [10:12] hehe [10:12] all yours inetpro [10:12] hmm... [10:14] Langjan: have you ever used the terminal [10:14] ? [10:14] yes [10:14] * inetpro feels much more at home with the terminal [10:15] Langjan: df -h [10:15] please paste the output of that ^^ [10:16] jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ df -h [10:16] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [10:16] /dev/sdb6 55G 46G 6.4G 88% / [10:16] none 491M 264K 491M 1% /dev [10:16] none 497M 6.3M 490M 2% /dev/shm [10:16] none 497M 120K 496M 1% /var/run [10:16] none 497M 0 497M 0% /var/lock [10:16] /dev/sdb1 87G 9.2G 74G 12% /media/7602f1e5-f372-44fc-8fdd-34965ac12073 [10:16] /dev/sda1 144G 19G 118G 14% /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:17] sjoe [10:17] funny names [10:19] inetpro, if it helps, I have copied that file in 2 places onto the spare hard drive [10:19] inetpro, can i just ask you something [10:19] ok so /dev/sdb1 is 87GB and /dev/sda1 is 144 GB both seem to have more than enough space available [10:19] Kilos: sure [10:20] Langjan: du -hs /home/jan/.thunderbird [10:20] we tried sudo chown -R jan:jan /home/jan/ [10:20] it said permission denied [10:20] even from root [10:21] Kilos: why, that should never be necessary [10:21] its one config file causing all the probs [10:21] ls -ld /home/jan/ [10:21] mixed with bumblebee and nvidia [10:22] everything in your home folder should always have the permissions of the logged in user [10:22] Langjan, paste bin that to http://slexy.org [10:22] 2.4G /home/jan/.thunderbird [10:23] ok Langjan which folder did you copy it to on /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 ? [10:24] Langjan: ls -ld ~/ [10:24] just closed it, will have to get back [10:25] Kilos: 'ls -ld /home/jan/' is the same as 'ls -ld ~/' [10:25] and that shoudl just give you one line of output [10:25] should* [10:25] ah sorry [10:25] no need to be sorry [10:26] drwxr-xr-x 57 jan jan 12288 2011-11-30 10:51 /home/jan/ [10:26] i remeber some ls commands that were miles long [10:26] ok the home folder is still perfect [10:27] ok now let's do this [10:27] ls -ld /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:28] drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2011-11-27 23:48 /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:29] hmm... there's a problem [10:29] why is it mounted a root? [10:29] as root* [10:29] expain as you go please [10:30] explain as well [10:30] then again, is that an internal disk? [10:30] forgotten all those read write things [10:30] yes [10:30] ah [10:30] ok Langjan, please pastebin the following if it's longer than 3 lines [10:31] ls -la drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2011-11-27 23:48 /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:31] hmm... there's a problem [10:31] eish [10:31] ls -la /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:32] * inetpro copied and pasted accidentally... just do the last line [10:32] ls -la /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:33] drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2011-11-27 23:48 /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:33] hmm... [10:33] ls -la /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424/ [10:33] hang on [10:34] please do: ls -la /media [10:34] I'm sure those long names are just soft links [10:34] total 16 [10:34] drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2011-11-30 11:01 . [10:34] drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2011-11-22 12:55 .. [10:34] drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2011-06-19 16:25 7602f1e5-f372-44fc-8fdd-34965ac12073 [10:34] drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2011-11-27 23:48 fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424 [10:35] hmm... not? [10:35] ok [10:35] ls -la /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424/ [10:36] note the slash at the back [10:36] Big outcome, must I paste it here? [10:37] pastebin please [10:37] http://slexy.org please Langjan [10:37] of http://pastebin.com/ .... maak nie saak waar nie [10:37] the ubuntu one hangs my machine for some reason [10:39] i think slexy is a lightweight one [10:39] np [10:41] http://pastebin.com/VFA9rdKK [10:42] Langjan: sorry if I sometimes take a while before responding... getting interrupted by work [10:43] Fine thanks inetpro grateful for the help. [10:44] Langjan: hmm... that looks like a previous or a new installation. Do you still plan to use it as that? [10:45] Are you refering to my other hard drive? [10:46] Langjan: this is /media/fd52e2ba-e2dc-4ece-a831-c64dc69c8424/ which is mounted on /dev/sda1 [10:47] Sorry, I have no idea what that means. [10:49] that was natty i think inetpro [10:49] hmm... when you installed you must have skipped this partition unknowingly or on purpose and it's now just mounted as if it's an external drive [10:49] 11.04 hey Langjan ? [10:50] probably [10:51] /dev/sda is typically your first physical drive [10:51] /des/sda1 is the first partition on that drive [10:51] /dev/sdb is the 2nd physical drive [10:52] oops... /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on that drive [10:52] then you get /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, /dev/sda3.... [10:53] and /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, /dev/sdb3.... and so on [10:54] your system root folder is always mounted as / [10:55] in your case Langjan your root folder is mounted on /dev/sdb6 [10:55] that seems to be the 6th partition on your 2nd physical drive [10:55] inetpro, when I installed 11.04 I selected a partition, I think about 4 gigs but I have to learn about identifying what is where [10:56] it does not really matter which partition you choose, what is important is that you know what is where [10:56] these partitions seem to multiply uncontrollably every time a new upgrade is instakled [10:57] it's a bit of a nightmare to me, I have no idea where what is [10:57] Langjan: that's why it's best to take control and choose the partition scheme yourself [10:57] during the installation you can choose auto or manual at some point [10:58] in my honest opinion its safer to install with only one hdd plugged in at a time [10:58] for us dom mense anyway [10:58] inetpro, I have to be rude and ask if we can take this further at a later stage when convenient for you [10:59] Langjan: hehe, I would not call that rude [10:59] I'd apreciate that :-) [10:59] later Langjan i see more on bumblebee and nvidia [10:59] we will discuss it later [11:00] many thanks, will try to identify what's where meanwhile [11:00] Langjan: before you go [11:00] yes? [11:00] perhaps some reading will help you understand things [11:00] ok [11:00] hang on while I look for it [11:01] thanks [11:01] just and idea here. looks like bumblebee makes nvidia graphics better [11:01] but there is no nvidia card so maybe thats the start of the problem [11:02] how can you configure nvidia graphics without a nvidia graphics card [11:03] vra jy my? [11:03] nee ek se ek dink daar kom die probleem in [11:03] ok, ek dog net jy dink ek is so slim... [11:04] you should just be using ubuntu stuff and intel [11:04] lmga [11:04] lol [11:04] ha ha [11:04] learnt that a long time ago [11:04] lyk my as jy bumblebee kan kry om te werk is jy baie slim [11:05] dis hoekom my BB nie werk nie [11:05] Langjan: the following doc should give you lots of the background http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ [11:05] Many thanks inetpro [11:06] Ons gesels weer later [11:06] even if it may be a bit old and not very specific to ubuntu it's still very valid [11:06] thanks, will have a look [11:06] take care, until next time [11:06] cheers Langjan [11:06] dankie inetpro [11:06] bye kilos [11:07] Kilos: np [11:07] Langjan: jy's welkom [11:07] baie dankie [11:08] eks seker nou sy prob kom van bumblebee en nvidia [11:08] en hy het nie eers n nvidia kart in nie [11:09] Kilos: don't make assumptions [11:09] Kilos: I don't even know what this bumblebee is [11:09] Maaz: define assumption [11:09] inetpro: Assumption \As*sump"tion\ (?; 215), n. [OE. assumpcioun a taking up into heaven, L. assumptio a taking, fr. assumere: cf. F. assomption. See {Assume}.] 1. The act of assuming, or taking to or upon one's self; the act of taking up or adopting. [1913 Webster] The assumption of authority. --Whewell. [1913 Webster] 2. The act of taking for granted, or supposing a thing without proof; supposition; unwarrantable claim. [1913 W [11:10] YaaawwN [11:14] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/bumblebee-gets-a-ppa-brings-nvidia-optimus-graphics-switching-to-ubuntu/ [11:16] inetpro, we been battling months nowbecause he couldnt install or update because dpkg cant conf to an extra file that i am sure bumblebee or/and nvidia opened and tried to configure to [11:17] inetpro [11:18] here is the reason i tried to chown his /home/jan [11:18] chown: cannot access `/home/jan/.gvfs': Permission denied [11:21] i have no idea what .gvfs is [11:23] and how can it deny permission after chown /home/jan/ [11:24] Kilos: I think it may be because the files/folders were in use at the time [11:24] ah that makes sense [11:26] so ctrl+alt+f2 should get in before that hey? [11:28] * Kilos wishes that pc was in front of me [11:28] Kilos: no [11:28] got a big 14lb hammer for trouble pcs [11:28] oh my [11:29] maybe better he does a clean install now he has backups [11:30] if you really have to change the ownerships and permissions then you can always add another user and login as that user before changing [11:30] and stays away from bumblebee and nvidia [11:30] but there really should be no need to change ownership and permissions in the home folder unless you messed up [11:31] can a second user change permissions on the main users files etc? [11:31] Kilos: no [11:31] but root can [11:32] i tried to chown from root as well [11:32] sudo -i then chown -R jan:jan /home/jan/ [11:32] Kilos: the fact is that many files and folders in your home folder are in use by the window manager the moment you login [11:32] it still said permission denied [11:32] by the window manager and applications [11:33] sjoe [11:34] Kilos: 30/11 13:30:42 but there really should be no need to change ownership and permissions in the home folder unless you messed up [11:34] ok [11:35] if you remember he was here a few months back with the same dpkg prob [11:36] anyway we will see what the outcome is when you and he get together again [11:36] im sure its nvidia and bumblebee [11:37] ill be back tonight guys. have a good day [11:37] thanks for the help [13:37] inetpro, can you give me the right command to use mtr to http://google.co.za please [13:37] i read man mtr but cant work out what do actually do [13:38] vodacom says they coming here tomorrow to check and i would like them to see the packet losses [13:38] Kilos: s#http://google.co.za#google.co.za# [13:39] without putting mtr in? [13:39] or is that after the mtr [13:40] Kilos: echo mtr http://google.co.za | sed -e 's#http://google.co.za#google.co.za#' [13:41] ty [13:41] :-) [13:41] Kilos: mtr google.co.za [13:42] ha ha en nou wat was daai lang echo storie [13:43] Kilos: kyk wat gebeur as jy dit hardloop [13:43] dit doen niks [13:43] echo mtr http://google.co.za | sed -e 's#http://google.co.za#google.co.za#' [13:43] copy en paste die hele lyn [13:44] miles@P4:~$ echo mtr http://google.co.za | sed -e 's#http://google.co.za#google.co.za#' [13:44] mtr google.co.za [13:44] ahh [13:44] niks meer nie [13:44] maar dis mos presies wat jy nodig het [13:44]