[00:03] <CadetX> does ubuntu 10.10 ship the latest flash (i have 64bit system so i need 64bit flash too) or i should get it from adobe site?
[02:05] <xubuntu135> so, xubuntu is sexy ?
[09:51] <nunatak> hello. my xubuntu 11.10 panels often forgets that they're set to autohide. is there a way to force them?
[11:16] <insin> Hi, how does Xubuntu control placing of dotfiles under ~/.config instead of directly in ~? I'm writing a script which needs to reference something in a config folder and I'd like to avoid harcoding the .config part it if possible
[11:17] <insin> s/it if/of it if/
[11:20] <_Pete_> as you need to hardcode in someplace?
[11:20] <_Pete_> what is the difference=
[11:20] <Myrtti> insin: afaik .config is a place applications themselves choose to dump the .files into
[11:21] <insin> Ok, thanks
[11:21] <Myrtti> IIRC it may be a freedesktop.org recommendation
[11:22] <Myrtti> I'd double check, but my browser seems to be in an non-cooperative mood
[11:47] <TheSheep> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[11:47] <TheSheep> you use $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
[11:48] <kraut> hi
[11:48] <kraut> i configured my dock not to switch apps to another virtual desktop. but if i click f.e. on desk2 an url, firefox switches from desk1 to desk2. can anybody help me with this please?
[11:49] <TheSheep> kraut: window manager settings, second tab
[11:50] <kraut> TheSheep: what?
[11:50] <TheSheep> kraut: window manager settings, second tab
[11:50] <kraut> TheSheep: what?
[11:50] <TheSheep> kraut: window manager settings, second tab
[11:50] <kraut> ...
[11:51] <kraut> which fscking tab?
[11:51] <TheSheep> kraut: you can set the 'activate action' to 'bring', 'switch' or 'none' there
[11:52] <TheSheep> kraut: temper, temper
[11:52] <kraut> i need to know where to find these settings please.
[11:52] <kraut> xfce -> settings?
[11:53] <TheSheep> yes
[11:53] <kraut> ah, cool
[11:53] <TheSheep> sorry, this is from memory, I'm not on xfce right now
[11:54] <kraut> perfect, that's it, thanks!
[11:54] <kraut> no problem. i also need to translate your tips into krautish ;)
[11:54] <kraut> it's called "Feineinstellung des Fensterverhaltens"
[11:54] <kraut> there is your mentoined second tab
[11:55] <kraut> erm, ok. just another little problem. i need to set setxkbmap to de after every login. is there any global config for this in xfce?
[11:57] <kraut> i set in xfce -> settings -> keyboard the layout to de but this seems to be ignored
[13:19] <kora-chan> Hey guys, I'm using 11.10 and was wondering if there is any way to disable the touchpad. I'm only using my trackpoint, and thus the touchpad is more or less annoying if I accidently touvh it.
[14:08] <k_sze> darn
[14:09] <k_sze> the upgrader (from 11.04 to 11.10) seems to be stuck after I chose the display manager.
[14:09] <k_sze> It's been churning my HDD for a few hours already.
[14:38] <n2diy>  my sound notification no longer works in xchat-gnome, or Thunderbird, but it works with other apps?
[19:17] <shevek_> If I run xubuntu, do I get a sane, non-crashy environment without unity?
[19:17] <Sysi> totally
[19:18] <shevek_> good. I am disgusted beyond words with ubuntu 11.10. I will try switching
[19:18] <shevek_> I can just apt-get xfce4 or do I have to do some deeper magic?
[19:19] <Sysi> if you want complete xubuntu you should install xubuntu-desktop
[19:19] <Sysi> nicer default settings etc
[19:20] <shevek_> cool. just ran an xfce session and still got unity, so trying the desktop now
[19:20] <shevek_> I can't express adequately my disgust with this new ubuntu.
[19:20] <shevek_> And I've been using linux since '92.
[19:21] <shevek_> I've used fvwm, olvwm, mwm, twm, mlvwm, mwm, cde, etc, all in anger, and unity is basically a huge step backwards from all of them.
[19:22] <Sysi> xfce originally was like CDE, it probably still has some same mentality
[19:22] <shevek_> well, if it's basically small, and gets out of my bloody way, I'll love it
[19:23] <shevek_> unity doesn't let me switch between windows, only apps
[19:23] <shevek_> which is wrong, cognitively
[19:23] <shevek_> because it assumes that all of your xterms are "one app"
[19:23] <shevek_> which implies that one job is being done in all your xterms
[19:23] <shevek_> which, for any developer, is madly wrong.
[19:24] <Sysi> I've only tried unity shortly, it seemed messy compared to gnome-shell
[19:24] <shevek_> I crashed it like 10 times, that's a cardinal sin before you even start on usability.
[19:24] <Sysi> xfce is old-school but has all the stuff I feel in love with in linux
[19:24] <shevek_> and once I had to hardboot the machine
[19:25] <Sysi> s/feel/fell
[19:25] <shevek_> 1 more min and I'll be in xfce
[19:25] <shevek_> ohcrap, it reinstalled software-center and oneconf. oh wlel
[19:26] <Sysi> selecting xfce- or xubuntu-session decides if you get upstream defaults or xubuntu defaults
[19:26] <Sysi> in first login
[19:26] <shevek_> so, which do I want?
[19:27] <Sysi> doesn't matter much if you're gonna customize it, but just for the defaults xubuntu is nicer
[19:27] <Sysi> gtk2+3 theme and more featured panels layout
[19:27] <shevek_> ah, nice, clean.
[19:27] <shevek_> ok, this looks a lot more usable.
[19:28] <shevek_> ok, two more questions, if you don't mind.
[19:28] <Sysi> this channel is for questions
[19:28] <shevek_> How do I add custom keybindings to run commands?  gnome-keybinding-properties has gone away,and xfce isn't honouring the gconf-editor stuff I did
[19:28] <Sysi> settings -> keyboard -> application shortcuts
[19:29] <shevek_> I didn't get a settings -> keyboard
[19:29] <shevek_> only keyboard input methods
[19:29] <Sysi> "settings editor" or something, top most one
[19:30] <shevek_> got it
[19:30] <shevek_> thank you
[19:31] <shevek_> ah, I think I grok the panels, so I can put the app selector on the bottom panel like before...
[19:33] <shevek_> so, I set up 24 virtuasl desktops, but when I said 'show in 2 rows', it didnt. :-(
[19:35] <shevek_> and when I try to open folders, I get .gvfs: transport endpoint not connected (but this isn't really important as I can just use xterm)
[19:35] <vor0nwe> what folders are those?  .gvfs suggests Gnome Virtual File System to me
[19:36] <shevek_> .gvfs, iirc, is where gnome automounts things like usb sticks, and userspace filesystems and stuff
[19:36] <shevek_> it's presumably a leftover from unity/gnome in my homedir
[19:36] <shevek_> meh, I never use the filebrowser. I'm more worried about not having my virtual desktops in 2 rows
[19:38] <charlie-tca> You may have Nautilus trying to run the desktop for you
[19:38] <vor0nwe> , gods!)
[19:38] <vor0nwe> Would they work if you had less?
[19:39] <shevek_> ah, solved it
[19:39] <shevek_> it's because there were 2 workspace switchers, and then you can't set preferences on either because the other overrides it
[19:40] <shevek_> when I spotted the other workspace switcher in the top panel, and removed it, it's fine now :-)
[19:40] <shevek_> charlie-tca, Yes, I think that's a nautilus window or something.
[19:40] <charlie-tca> yeah, it tries to take over, kind of like Internet Explorer in Windows now
[19:41] <charlie-tca> You have to kill Nautilus, then run xfwm4 --replace
[19:41] <shevek_> can I tell it not to?
[19:41] <shevek_> this panel management is really, really nice
[19:41] <shevek_> charlie-tca, I just logged in, will I have to do that every time?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:42] <charlie-tca> as long as Nautilus is installed, as far as I know
[19:42] <shevek_> no good :-( can I make it so nautilus just doesn't start?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Nautilus thinks it should own the desktop. It refuses not to start
[19:43] <shevek_> so, I think the last thing is, I need to set up all my keyboard shortcuts to match my .olvwmrc from '92 because I'm a very old dog and can't learn new tricks
[19:43] <shevek_> so, somewhere in the docs there must be a magic list of keyboard shortcut comnmands
[19:43] <shevek_> like 'goto_workspace_4'
[19:43] <shevek_> I have the conf editor open, I can see where to type the incantations, but I don't have a list of incantations?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> settings, window manager, keyboard
[19:44] <shevek_> I don't have settings -> window manager
[19:44] <shevek_> I only have the raw settings editor.
[19:44] <shevek_> Am I missing a config app?
[19:44] <shevek_> I don't have settings, keyboard either.
[19:44] <shevek_> Only the 'settings editor' which is kind of like gconf-editor
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Should be a menu, with settings -> Settings manager
[19:45] <shevek_> sorry, yes, I'm in settings manager
[19:45] <shevek_> so now I have a tree.
[19:45] <shevek_> I can guess the keybinding-fu, but I need to know the magic words for column 3
[19:45] <charlie-tca> and in settings manager is "window Manager"
[19:46] <charlie-tca> and in that is a keyboard tab with all the shortcfuts
[19:46] <Sysi> try Alt F2 and running xfce4-settings-editor
[19:46] <shevek_> oh
[19:46] <shevek_> I was confusing settings editor with settings manager
[19:47] <shevek_> aha, I'm i nbusiness.
[19:47] <shevek_> You have yourselves a new advocate. This is really nice.
[19:50] <shevek_> so, if I bind ctrl-f1 to something
[19:50] <shevek_> and it says "This is already bound to something else"
[19:50] <shevek_> it asks me to confirm twice
[19:50] <shevek_> BUT
[19:50] <shevek_> if I hold down control for long enough that it shows CTRL_L before binding ctrl-f1
[19:50] <shevek_> then it only asks me to confirm the rebind once
[19:51] <shevek_> weird, minor, but fun bug
[19:51] <urthmover> if I must use a network manager gui  which one has a simple panel applet?  is network-manager my best option?
[19:52] <shevek_> could be wrong, could just be that some of them randomly had two other bindings, not one, because it didn't trigger with f11 and f12.
[19:54] <Sysi> urthmover: nm-applet is what xubuntu uses
[19:54] <urthmover> ah ok Sysi  thanks
[19:56] <urthmover> Sysi: what package is nm-applet in?
[19:57] <urthmover> nvrmnd Sysi it's a part of network-manager-gnome now it seems
[20:02] <projekt26> has anyone had problems with the whole system hanging when moving files to a truecrypt file container in ubuntu?
[20:07] <shevek_> in power manager, there's an inactivity sleep mode, but it doesn't have a "disable sleep on inactivity" setting. Is this setting somewhere else?
[20:07] <shevek_> doh, found it
[20:07] <shevek_> sorry
[20:14] <shevek_> yes, this is really, really nice, thank you all
[20:25] <urthmover> does anyone know how to move the window title bar buttons of chromium to the left?
[20:29] <TheSheep> urthmover: I don't think it's possible without compiling your own version
[20:30] <urthmover> bummer ok thanks for responding TheSheep
[20:30] <urthmover> meh I guess I'll compile my own....arg all the overhead of build-essentials and gcc
[20:31] <TheSheep> urthmover: that was meant more like "it's hardcoded and doing it is not trivial"
[20:31] <TheSheep> urthmover: probably even compiling your own would involve first quite some work in finding where it is hardcoded and changing it
[20:31] <Sysi> or you could use system's window manager borders
[20:32] <TheSheep> or that
[20:32] <urthmover> TheSheep: you are right
[20:32] <urthmover> TheSheep: I find it a bummer that the released version does it but chromium does not
[20:34] <TheSheep> urthmover: does it?
[20:35] <TheSheep> it does?
[20:35] <urthmover> I believe there is a perference for it in the stable released
[20:35] <TheSheep> that's cool
[20:45] <urthmover> TheSheep: I guess in compact mode the buttons can't be moved....if you are in regular mode  the buttons follow your window manager's specifications....I could have sworn you could move them to the left in comapct mode...but that might have been on windows
[21:10] <craigbass1976> using gnome, I can hook up to another box via ssh or sftp via the regular file browser.  How do I do that in xfce?
[21:13] <Sysi> 11.04 or 11.10, you have "network" in filemanager sidepanel
[21:14] <Sysi> press Ctrl L and put host like smb://myhost.lan
[21:14] <Sysi> or use gigolo
[21:22] <craigbass1976> Sysi, gigolo works.  Do you know how to get right into my /home/me/ on the server, or do you always end up at / in gigolo?
[21:22] <Sysi> sorry but I haven't really used gigolo, maybe someone else knows
[21:24] <tjingboem> after an update today i lost the window manager somehow
[21:24] <Sysi> alt F2  "xfwm4 --replace"
[21:24] <tjingboem> the borders of the windows are missing
[21:24] <tjingboem> how can i get them back?
[21:24] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions to be sure
[21:25] <tjingboem> they are back again
[21:25] <tjingboem> thanks Sysi
[21:26] <tjingboem> was that something because of the update?
[21:27] <Sysi> that has happened somewhat randomly since 4.8 was released
[21:28] <Sysi> I mean others have reported that too, not happened for me
[21:29] <tjingboem> i see. i will make a note of how to repair it in case it happens agaun
[22:00] <shevek_> Is there an easy way to change my window title bar colours?
[22:00] <shevek_> I found something where I have to edit gtk colours in a prefs file, but is there anything more direct?
[22:01] <shevek_> (or less direct, depending on perspective)
[22:07] <charlie-tca> most of the themes will be gray, so that is probably the easiest
[22:14] <knome> shevek_, try bluebird
[22:53] <shevek_> charlie-tca, I'm trying to achieve bright contrasting colours without being monochrome or ugly.
[22:53] <shevek_> preferably all windows gray except the highlighted one
[22:53] <shevek_> but the fashion nowadays seems to be that everything is a dull grey
[22:54] <shevek_> given my 8 hours cussing at unity, if I'm down to the colour scheme on xfce, it's a win
[22:54] <shevek_> Theme engine said everything was PNGs so maybe I just have to make some.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Thus, my answer that manually editing the files is probably the way to do it.
[23:10] <xubuntu309> swedish or only english?
[23:10] <knome> english only here
[23:10] <knome> !se
[23:10] <knome> ubottu, !
[23:10] <Myrtti> !sv
[23:10] <Myrtti> hum
[23:10] <knome> !sw
[23:10] <knome> it's just lagging...
[23:56] <xubuntu798> hi 2 all
[23:57] <xubuntu798> every body... silence)
[23:58] <knome> if you have a support question, just ask