[01:00] <truepurple> Would someone please comment on what is mentioned in this link http://www.esecurityplanet.com/trends/article.php/3933491/Is-Linux-Really-More-Secure-than-Windows.htm
[01:13] <holstein> for me, its still an issue of user permissions
[01:13] <holstein> i say, everyone should do what makes them feel safe as far as security and antivirus
[01:14] <holstein> no doubt android is more and more popular, but thats not really the same as what we have when we run linux on the desktop
[01:15] <holstein> the typical android user has the level of control that the service provider that made that version of android gives that user
[01:15] <holstein> lets say you install antivirus... is it running as root? likely not
[01:15] <holstein> can it help? i dont know
[01:16] <holstein> you can run antivirus on ubuntu and other linux distros easily and effectively though, so if its something you are concerned about truepurple , i say go for it :)
[01:19] <truepurple> holstein, yeah but don't most of you think antivirus on linux is a joke?
[01:19] <holstein> a joke?
[01:20] <holstein> nah, i dont use personally, but i use live linux distros to scan windows boxes occasionally
[01:20] <truepurple> That or sacrilege is just about always the kind of reply I get when I mentioned AV  on linux
[01:20] <holstein> and i think folks should use what makes them feel safe
[01:21] <truepurple> Yeah ok, but you think its a absurd idea to use AV to scan linux, right? I don't need any placebo, thankyou
[01:21] <holstein> what if you had a mail server running linux? and you wanted to have a virus scanner there?
[01:21] <holstein> i dont think anyone would argue that use case
[01:21] <holstein> and that is technically 'antivirus on linux'
[01:21] <holstein> even though its not on the desktop
[01:22] <truepurple> So you don't think the main reason linux is safer is that its smaller thus less targeted? Or that its open source roots present any kind of security problem?
[01:23] <holstein> i dont think theres any case where being open has made something more vunerable
[01:23] <holstein> if anything, patches ten to make it in quicker
[01:23] <holstein> patches tend*
[01:23] <holstein> i think the facts are, there are more windows machines
[01:24] <truepurple> but it also makes it easier to find exploits I think?
[01:24] <truepurple> But that isn't the main reason linux is safer, is it?
[01:24] <holstein> the typical windows box, and windows user is less secure and security minded than the linux box/user
[01:24] <holstein> is that a correlation?
[01:24] <holstein> who knows
[01:24] <truepurple> holstein, and where on that link does that mention android?
[01:25] <holstein> all i know is, linux seems to adapt and grow as needed
[01:25] <holstein> and it stays one of the more secure platforms
[01:26] <holstein> "Common wisdom has held for years that Linux is superior to Windows when it comes to security issues. But now that open source is growing in popularity both on the consumer side (think Android phones) and the enterprise side (Linux runs the 10 fastest supercomputers in the world, for example, according to Wikipedia), it's time to push past the adage and look again at the whole "which is safer" issue."
[01:26] <truepurple> Well if linux gets bigger, it will become more of a target, and as its userbase gets bigger, they will know less on average
[01:26] <holstein> the 'think android phones'
[01:26] <holstein> which i dont think is similar enough to draw correlation
[01:27] <holstein> truepurple: its still a matter of user permissions to me
[01:27] <truepurple> So consumer side=android phone for sure?
[01:27] <holstein> when the typical windows user runs firefox, thats basically as root
[01:27] <holstein> when someone runs firefox for the first time in linux, thats as normal user, with limited permissions
[01:28] <holstein> truepurple: that article is implying that linux and opensource are becoming more popular, and android is an example
[01:29] <holstein> but, AFAIK, linux and BSD still are the majority of servers out there
[01:29] <holstein> and that seems to not change things as far as whats safe and whats not
[01:29] <holstein> i think hackers will always go for the 'low hanging fruit'
[01:30] <holstein> i have a nice book caled 'how linux works' http://www.amazon.com/How-Linux-Works-Superuser-Should/dp/1593270356
[01:31] <holstein> in there, there is a line 'nothing in linux is hiding from you'
[01:31] <holstein> thats what im saying about android in those cases
[01:31] <holstein> something in android is being hidden from you
[01:31] <holstein> things in windows are hidden
[01:31] <holstein> nothing in linux is, or the typical opensource distros
[01:32] <holstein> you, and anyone else are totally free to look, find vulnerabilities, report, fix, ignore
[01:32] <holstein> turn services off to improve security
[01:32] <holstein> close ports
[01:33] <holstein> whatever you choose really
[01:33] <holstein> a linux distro is as safe as you want it to be
[01:36] <truepurple> holstein, what level of linux technical knowledge are you speaking from?
[01:37] <holstein> truepurple: you mean, do i know what im talking about?
[01:37] <holstein> truepurple: ill tell you what i tell everyone
[01:37] <holstein> trust no one
[01:37] <holstein> look for yourself
[01:37] <holstein> the code is literally open, and available
[01:37] <holstein> the documentation... the facts
[01:37] <holstein> all of it
[01:38] <holstein> if someone pastes a command in this channel, you can generally trust that we all have the interests of that user in mind
[01:38] <holstein> but, drop it into google first... read the man page... check out the source
[03:03] <truepurple> I don't know code, it won't mean anything to me, and I am not saying I don't trust that you have my interest in minde, I was just wondering what exp of yours I should weigh your words with
[06:32] <mirza> Hello.., :D
[06:34] <fulcrum> hi
[06:41] <JackyAlcine> Hey mirza and fulcrum
[06:44] <JackyAlcine> http://volatile-minds.blogspot.com/2011/11/can-you-crack-it-nope-i-tried-though.html
[06:46] <mirza> JcackyAlcine, 1'M NOT A HACKER MAN.,
[06:47] <fulcrum> mirza:  are you a hacker woman?
[08:08] <Pob> Hi all,  I am struggling with an intermittent hibernation issue with 11.10.  Occasionally hibernate fails to complete with "Not enough free memory" and "Error -12 creating hibernation image"
[08:10] <fulcrum> Pob:  space?
[08:10] <Pob> I have about 4G of RAM and about 8G of swap.  I have checked the UUID
[08:11] <fulcrum> Pob:  not sure how it works but I would assume to hibernate you would need at least 4 gigs free on disk?
[08:12] <fulcrum> PE
[08:16] <geirha> Needs at least 4G swap, which pob has...
[08:16] <geirha> Pob: Is that one 8G swap partition, or is it spread on multiple partitions?
[08:17] <Pob> I checked that the UUID in fstab matched the UUID of the swap partition, and that "swapon -s" shows the correct partition.  Also my swap does not appear to be used at all "0 used"
[08:17] <Pob> hmmm?
[08:17] <fulcrum> geirha:  does your hibernation image need to include swap? does Pob need 12 a 12 gig hibernation image?
[08:18] <geirha> fulcrum: No, it only needs to hold the RAM
[08:18] <Pob> I believe from what I have read  is that swap must be large enough to hold RAM size
[08:18] <fulcrum> yes would make sense
[08:19] <geirha> Pob: There is another file, somewhere, which says which swap-partition to use for hibernation, but for the life of my I can't remember where or what it's called.
[08:19] <Pob> One thing I have noticed is that if I have Virtualbox running, it is more likely to fail'
[08:19] <fulcrum> Pob:  interesting...
[08:20] <Pob> /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[08:20] <Pob> which also contains the correct UUID
[08:21] <geirha> Ah, there it was.
[08:21] <Pob> Is there a log file I could check to see if there is more info
[08:32] <geirha> I'd check /var/log/messages and possibly dmesg
[08:33] <Pob> cheers, I will check that out.  I just did a hibernate with vbox running and it work, so it isn't related to that by the looks of it.
[23:04] <rchilso1> How do i get OpenOffice to work on 11.10?
[23:55] <darkerstar> how do you get other input methods working in oneric?
[23:56] <JackyAlcine_> Right click a text box and change ibus darkerstar
[23:58] <darkerstar> you mean the "input methods" option?