[01:12]  * akgraner waves o/
[01:12] <bkerensa> Hi akgraner :D
[01:13] <akgraner> just poking my head in for a moment
[01:34] <mhall119> howdy akgraner
[01:36] <akgraner> mhall119, hey!
[02:49] <akgraner> jcastro are there weekly juju meetings?
[02:50] <cjohnston> there had better be weekly good juju
[02:50] <akgraner> also is there a meeting wiki for - Ubuntu Cloud Community and Q+A Meeting
[02:56] <akgraner> Ok so I've been out of the loop it seems - I know jono's team is having IRC meetings but is there a wiki with the agenda and logs for the meetings somewhere - if there is I missed it and can't seem to find a wiki page :-/
[02:57] <akgraner> I'm working on the newsletter and making sure I get the engineering team meetings in there... in case these questions seem weird :-)
[03:03] <bkerensa> akgraner: Great Success http://i.imgur.com/bFDQX.png
[03:16] <cprofitt> lol
[03:16] <cprofitt> akgraner:
[03:17] <akgraner> cprofitt, howdy!
[03:17] <cprofitt> not sure if you have space... http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/ubuntu-user-i-have-a-problem/
[03:17] <cprofitt> would love to get some eyes on that to review that diagram
[03:17] <cprofitt> howdy!!
[03:17]  * akgraner looks
[03:18] <akgraner> cprofitt, cool  - nice post!
[03:19] <akgraner> you're blog is on the planet yes?
[03:19] <akgraner> I haven't gone through my RSS feed yet - which is why I'm asking...
[03:19]  * akgraner adds to UWN - thanks
[03:20] <cprofitt> yes, it is
[03:20] <cprofitt> I just blogged that so I was concerned you might have gone through planet already
[03:21] <akgraner> cprofitt, added to UWN :-) thanks for the heads up
[03:22] <cprofitt> thanks akgraner
[03:22] <akgraner> more laters - you all have a great night :-)
[03:23] <cprofitt> you too
[04:01] <cprofitt> night all
[04:36] <bkerensa> akgraner: Feel free to add the announcement about the Debian/Ubuntu jam were having :)
[05:07] <pleia2> bkerensa: it'll be over by the time the next issue goes out
[05:07] <pleia2> we release on monday, your event is on sunday :\
[05:41] <alourie> hello
[06:52] <bkerensa> ahh yeah
[06:52] <bkerensa> pleia2: My bad :) I forget all the dates :P
[07:51] <nigelb> Morning dpm :)
[07:51] <dpm> hey nigelb
[08:03]  * dholbach → dentist
[08:05] <nigelb> Ouch, that sounds painful :)
[08:12] <bkerensa> anyone know why this is occuring:
[08:12] <bkerensa> Couldn't communicate with server 'keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371': Internal Server Error
[08:12] <bkerensa> =/
[08:12] <bkerensa> trying to sync some keys
[08:13] <nigelb> is the keyserver up?
[08:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:12] <MooDoo> hows it's going czajkowski
[09:15] <czajkowski> not too bad
[09:15] <czajkowski> heading to Ireland tonight till saturday
[09:15] <czajkowski> :)
[09:26] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Lucky you.... I dream of seeing Ireland in my lifetime LD
[09:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ooo fabbo :)
[09:55] <czajkowski> yes so we should start taking bets on my flight delays
[09:56] <MooDoo> czajkowski: 2.5 hours for a starter
[09:56] <MooDoo> :D
[09:56] <czajkowski> hah
[09:57] <czajkowski> flying London Gatwick -> DUB so hopefully no issues
[09:57] <czajkowski> hanging out with my sister till Saturday
[09:59] <MooDoo> sounds awesome :)
[10:00] <czajkowski> aye should be fun
[10:00] <MooDoo> czajkowski: lots planned or just a chill weekend?
[10:00] <czajkowski> having a dry run of St. Stephens day
[10:00] <MooDoo> :D
[10:01] <czajkowski> breakie in town on friday followed by some shopping, dinner then drinks
[10:01] <czajkowski> saturday shopping then flight home
[10:01] <MooDoo> perfect, nice break away from the pooter
[10:01] <MooDoo> st stephens, 26th or 27th?
[10:02] <czajkowski> 26th
[10:02] <czajkowski> boxing day for ye
[10:03] <MooDoo> :)
[10:03] <MooDoo> i'm working that day.....booooooo
[10:04] <czajkowski> we fly back on the 27th
[10:05] <MooDoo> luckily boxing day is the only day i'm working then it's not back till the 2nd
[10:05] <czajkowski> cool
[10:13] <MooDoo> penty of time to relax and code lol
[11:21] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:05] <MooDoo> cjohnston: good morning
[12:06] <cjohnston> :-)
[12:15] <MooDoo> how are you this fine day
[12:25] <duanedesign> morning cjohnston
[12:26] <cjohnston> o/
[12:26] <cjohnston> busy spamming people.. yippie
[12:26] <nigelb> wait, you're spamming as well?
[12:26] <nigelb> I just gave 18 to 20 emails to Chris and Mike and probably Jorge and Daviey as well ;)
[12:26] <MooDoo> spamming?  grrrr ;)
[12:27] <cjohnston> i think i got 21
[12:27] <nigelb> hah
[12:27] <cjohnston> nigelb: how many did i send out?
[12:27] <nigelb> cjohnston: almost as many as me. Thankfully, on the same bugs, so gmail makes it one thread.
[12:27] <cjohnston> lol
[12:28] <nigelb> when we all caps pings, we'll know someone else got them :P
[13:29] <mhall119> emails? what emails
[13:29] <mhall119> :)
[13:32] <cjohnston> heh
[14:02] <MooDoo> lol
[15:14] <scott-work> good morning
[15:25] <czajkowski> jussi: ping
[15:50] <dholbach> huats, I manually triaged the list of people who got their first upload in and added them to the spreadsheet
[15:55] <czajkowski> dholbach: paultag created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoLint so we didnt have to do things by hand, as far as I know it can be tweaked to do other things and searches if that helps in the future
[15:59] <dholbach> czajkowski, getting the data about first time contributors unfortunately isn't that easy - I automated it to some part, but it still needs some manual steps
[15:59] <czajkowski> nods
[15:59] <dholbach> (it involves downloading mbox files for the <release>-changes mailing lists and the like)
[15:59] <czajkowski> fun times dholbach
[16:00] <dholbach> as fun as going to the dentist
[16:00] <dholbach> although he was quite funny today :)
[16:30] <jcastro> HAY GUYS
[16:31] <jcastro> who likes controlling their own data?
[16:31] <jcastro> and loves free software?
[16:31] <jcastro> greg-g: raise your hand please
[16:31] <czajkowski> dholbach: you lie the dentist is never funny
[16:32] <jcastro> greg-g: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/12/deploying-status-net-quickly-with-juju/
[16:32] <jcastro> BOOYA.
[16:33] <dholbach> czajkowski, he actually is a nice guy
[16:34] <czajkowski> I've bitten 2 dentist fingers
[16:34] <czajkowski> I've had to find new ones throughout the years
[16:35] <czajkowski> last one used to put ear phones on me and a eye track so I watched movies
[16:35] <czajkowski> that was good
[16:43] <mhall119> jcastro: that would be awesome if I still used identica
[16:44] <jcastro> mhall119: think more for "my company wants all the benefits of twitter but for work."
[16:45] <jcastro> not identica, that's just an instance
[16:46] <jcastro> pleia2: around?
[16:46] <AlanBell> does status.net have a streaming api yet?
[16:47] <pleia2> jcastro: yeah, but at work so a bit laggy
[16:47] <jcastro> cool, I can ping you later if you'd like
[16:47] <jcastro> I was wondering if I coulld register the SCALE charm school as a loco event so people know it's happening in California?
[16:49] <pleia2> jcastro: sure
[16:51] <akgraner> Charm School at SCALE - woot woot - reason # 854 million why I <3 SCALE!
[16:51] <jcastro> ah
[16:51] <jcastro> I can only add events to my locos
[16:52] <jcastro> clever clever loco directory
[16:52] <jcastro> with your proper ACLs
[16:52] <jcastro> pleia2: can you add it whenevs, info is here, no rush: https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmSchool/Scale10x
[16:52] <pleia2> jcastro: if you give me the info I can make it
[16:53] <mhall119> jcastro: internal microblogging?
[16:55] <jcastro> mhall119: pretend you're a medium to large company
[16:55] <jcastro> and you like the speed and quickness that microblogging gives you
[16:55] <jcastro> "hey @hr how do I do foo?"
[16:55] <jcastro> "anyone know someone at sales who deals with baz?"
[16:55] <jcastro> etc.
[16:55] <greg-g> jcastro: o/
[16:55] <mhall119> so like email?
[16:56] <jcastro> but you're a company, so you want to control that data
[16:56] <jcastro> mhall119: less formal, like more watercooler
[16:56] <greg-g> we use status.net at CC for internal updates that don't warrant an email
[16:56] <jcastro> mhall119: there's a market out there believe it or not
[16:56] <mhall119> jcastro: so like email with reply-all?
[16:57] <jcastro> right
[16:57] <jcastro> but less formal
[16:57] <jcastro> like twitter dude
[16:57] <jcastro> but for your work
[16:57] <mhall119> every place I've worked (besides canonical) is only going to hear "employees paying attention to something that's not what I'm paying them to do"
[16:58] <AlanBell> mhall119: nah, they have IM servers and stuff
[16:58] <jcastro> well, I don't care. The demand is there for sure, and we make it easy for them to run it on ubuntu
[16:58] <mhall119> yeah, but IM isn't for random information consumption
[16:58] <AlanBell> like sametime or whatever Microsoft have, livechat  or something
[16:58] <mhall119> if someone doesn't IM you, you're not paying attention to their conversation
[16:59] <jcastro> wether the service is useful to someone or not is not my concern, my concern is can we make it easy for people to deploy free software that does something useful
[16:59] <AlanBell> same sort of thing though, there is a market for it inside the firewall
[16:59] <jcastro> without saying "oh well,  let's just buy one Windows Live Messenger for the Enterprise BING! Edition"
[16:59] <mhall119> jcastro: does status.net integrate with company directory servers like AD and LDAP?
[16:59] <AlanBell> it is a good integration point as well for other stuff
[16:59] <jcastro> when they can do statusnet, diaspora, owncloud, etc. etc.
[17:00] <AlanBell> does juju do ldap magic?
[17:00] <jcastro> that's a tough one
[17:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: does meetingology have an lp project?
[17:00] <mhall119> AlanBell: if your ldap server is charmed, I don't see why it couldn
[17:00] <mhall119> t
[17:00] <AlanBell> nigelb: ubuntu-bots
[17:00] <jcastro> <--- lunching
[17:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: thanks
[17:01] <AlanBell> tag bugs meetingology
[17:01] <jcastro> greg-g: ockerproject + thinkup will be amazing
[17:01] <greg-g> jcastro: I don't know ockerproject...
[17:41] <AlanBell> http://status.net/wiki/LdapAuthenticationPlugin jcastro mhall119
[17:51] <dholbach> AlanBell, hum, so I had a quick look at the spreadsheet - I'm not quite sure what needs to be done there
[17:51] <dholbach> AlanBell, wouldn't it better to have a   blog: person   mapping?
[17:51] <dholbach> AlanBell, because we have a number of folks who have more than one blog on planet.u.c
[17:51] <AlanBell> that is fine
[17:52] <AlanBell> ok, so what I did was rather simplistic, I grepped for the nick lines in the config file
[17:52] <dholbach> AlanBell, so I'm wondering what still needs to be done
[17:52] <AlanBell> I guess I need to go back to the config file and haul out the URLs
[17:52] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:53] <AlanBell> there are about 134 nicks that don't appear to be nicks of ubuntu members
[17:53]  * dholbach nods
[17:53] <dholbach> do you want me to reply to the thread with this conversation?
[17:53] <dholbach> (as a FIY)
[17:53] <AlanBell> however, there are people in the file with a nick like "jcastro" who I happen to know has an lp name of "jorge"
[17:53] <AlanBell> also jono vs jonobacon
[17:54] <AlanBell> there are bound to be others that I won't be able to reconcile but others can
[17:54] <dholbach> in that case we need to explain better what "nick" means and which implication it's going to have
[17:55] <AlanBell> so if you could read down column C and tell me if you spot anyone there who you happen to know is a member who I didn't tie up
[17:55] <AlanBell> yes, I want to get the config file to a state where every nick is an LP nick
[17:57] <dholbach> ok, I'll reply to it tomorrow
[17:57] <dholbach> that'll take a bit more work
[17:57] <dholbach> err time
[17:57] <dholbach> ie. ~adiroiban expired from ~ubuntumembers
[17:58] <AlanBell> those are the feeds we want to remove
[17:58] <dholbach> alucardni seems to be ~josernestodavila
[17:58] <AlanBell> column A is the lp nick of every member
[17:59] <dholbach> Adi Roiban is still quite active and must have missed the email
[17:59] <dholbach> but yeah
[17:59] <dholbach> I'll have a closer look at column C tomorrow
[17:59] <AlanBell> "alucardni seems to be ~josernestodavila" <- exactly the sort of thing I wouldn't know
[17:59] <dholbach> I just searched on launchpad.net :)
[17:59] <dholbach> and it showed me that there was a guy with the IRC nick of alucardni who was an Ubuntu member :)
[18:00] <dholbach> alright... more on the topic tomorrow :)
[18:00]  * dholbach needs to call it a day
[18:00] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone!
[18:09] <jcastro> greg-g: sorry I mistyped: http://lockerproject.org/
[18:09] <jcastro> this is what mdz is working on these days
[18:10] <greg-g> jcastro: oh, right, duh ;)
[18:10]  * greg-g was slow this morning
[18:10] <greg-g> jcastro: btw, we're like 3 days and counting!
[18:10] <jcastro> until ?
[18:10] <jcastro> oh no
[18:10] <jcastro> child process?
[18:30] <greg-g> jcastro: a new fork/derivative/whatever geeky analogy you want to make, yeah :)
[18:37] <jcastro> greg-g: better catch up on sleep now!
[18:37] <jcastro> congrats!
[18:38] <jcastro> greg-g: Are you guys going to do it in a tent at Occupy Ann Arbor?
[18:38] <jcastro> that would seem like the right place
[18:42] <pleia2> jcastro: which day is the charm school on?
[18:42] <jcastro> friday
[18:42] <jcastro> 2-5pm
[18:42] <jcastro> the Marina Room
[18:42] <jcastro> hmm, did I not put that on the wiki page?
[18:42] <pleia2> just the day was missing
[18:43] <technoviking> jcastro: coming to Scale?
[18:43] <pleia2> unfortunately conflict with Ubucon though
[18:44] <jcastro> pleia2: yeah but it was only slot available.
[18:44] <jcastro> :(
[18:44] <greg-g> jcastro: :P at #OccupySF, of course
[18:45] <pleia2> jcastro: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1451/detail/
[19:17] <cprofitt> hey hggdh
[19:25] <pleia2> cprofitt: any way you can drop non-commercial from your bug diagram license? :)
[19:26] <pleia2> (it's a non-free license and greatly reduces what can be done with it)
[19:34] <hggdh> cprofitt: here
[19:39] <cprofitt> did you see the diagram
[19:40] <hggdh> cprofitt: quick look, finishing with the A1 work, then I will stop and *really* look at it
[19:45] <cprofitt> cool thanks... really looking forward to seeing how it embraced the idea you put forward at UDS
[20:57] <technoviking> jcastro: it the top bar still call a panel bar?
[20:58] <jcastro> "panel" or "unity panel" is fine
[20:58] <technoviking> jcastro: thanks
[20:59] <technoviking> still trying to figure out if you can remove it from a second monitor
[20:59] <jcastro> not afaik
[20:59] <AlanBell> technoviking: but then you end up having to go miles away to find the application menu
[21:00] <AlanBell> global menus are bad enough on one screen!
[21:01] <technoviking> I run a Windows in a VM on the other monitor , hardly need a menu
[21:01] <jcastro> can you fullscreen the VM?
[21:01] <jcastro> that should get you what you want
[21:03] <technoviking> jcastro: true, but I start getting nvidia weirdness
[21:03] <technoviking> need to doc the process and while a bug I think
[21:04] <jcastro> ah
[21:04]  * jcastro nods
[21:04] <technoviking> s/while/file
[21:10] <jcastro> jono: heya
[21:10] <jcastro> jono: I have a due out for the cloud talks for the year + summit stuff if you want to bust out a quick call
[21:28] <technoviking> jcastro: what is the terminal divider program you are using?
[21:28] <jcastro> in what?
[21:29] <technoviking> heard you talking about a terminator like program you like
[21:29] <technoviking> or I could be gone senile :)
[21:31] <czajkowski> technoviking: i sent mail to the forums council has it been moderated
[21:32] <technoviking> czajkowski: think it was always moderated, I just approved thing quickly, but all @ubuntu.com should be auto aprroved
[21:33] <czajkowski> technoviking: ah ok I didnt send it from that
[21:33] <czajkowski> god to know for the future though thanks
[21:34] <technoviking> czajkowski: if Joeb454 is around, he can help
[21:34] <czajkowski> grand
[21:41] <technoviking> czajkowski: let know if I can help, in non-FC way
[21:48] <jono> jcastro, hey, let's do it soon, will ping
[21:48] <jono> just wrapping some things up now
[21:48]  * jcastro nods
[21:55]  * popey tickles technoviking 
[21:58] <jono> popey, you running precise on hardware or VM?
[21:58] <popey> hardware
[21:59] <jono> and everything working fine/
[21:59] <popey> I am outraged that the login screen still says 11.10
[21:59] <popey> Other than that, fine.
[21:59] <jono> hah
[21:59] <jono> cool
[21:59] <jono> ok, here I go then
[21:59] <popey> Yay!
[21:59] <popey> I'm on an Intel Core2Duo with nVidia gfx and SSD btw
[22:01] <jono> cool
[22:01] <jono> I should be fine...all Intel here
[22:01] <jono> mind you, I thought that with Jaunty ;-)
[22:01] <popey> *flashbacks*
[22:02]  * popey twitches
[22:02] <jono> lol
[22:11] <technoviking> precise was no joy in a VirtualBox VM, may need to try the Alt installer
[22:12] <jcastro> akgraner: about how many people attended SELF?
[22:13] <AlanBell> technoviking: works for me, I installed in a virtualbox vm earlier today
[22:13] <AlanBell> no, yesterday, just before alpha1
[22:14] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out here is what it said
[22:15] <technoviking> AlanBell: getting further with an alt CD, so far
[22:15] <AlanBell> bet you are using eyes though
[22:23] <jcastro> jono: ready yet? sorry to rush you but we gotta get this outta the way before I EOD.
[22:24] <jono> sorry, been on a call, yeah give me one sec
[22:24] <jcastro> no worries
[22:24] <mhall119> my son is selling me on the benefits of the new Nook Tablet
[22:24] <jcastro> I got the transformer
[22:24] <jcastro> the non prime
[22:24] <mhall119> I have a Nook Touch already
[22:24] <mhall119> I'm just amused that he's trying to convince me to upgrade
[22:24] <jono> get an iPad
[22:24] <jono> all other tablets suck
[22:25] <mhall119> heresy!
[22:25] <jono> :-)
[22:25]  * mhall119 starts a rumor about baby-bacons
[22:25] <jono> I know it is, but seriously, the iPad nails Android as a Tablet
[22:25] <jono> mhall119, LOL
[22:25] <jcastro> jono: how's that built in map navigation on it?
[22:25] <jono> I might be in hot water over that
[22:25] <jcastro> oh wait.
[22:25] <jono> jcastro, why do I need map nav, I have a phone for that
[22:25] <jono> I am going to carry a tablet with me driving
[22:25] <mhall119> jono: you have very specific, forward-looking plans in that regard
[22:25] <jcastro> I dunno, you didn't ask me for my use case
[22:26] <jcastro> I'm car mounting mine for nav + ubuntu one music
[22:26] <akgraner> jcastro, about 1500 but growing
[22:26] <jono> mhall119, well, Erica is probably pre-disposed to twins based on the family tree
[22:26] <jcastro> = replacement for car stereo
[22:26] <mhall119> jono: so was I, but they came one at a time anyway
[22:26] <jono> jcastro, look dude...just accept it...I am always right...
[22:26] <jcastro> akgraner: wow, so bigger than OLF?
[22:26] <jono> accept it and your life will be easier
[22:26] <jono> lol
[22:26] <jono> mhall119, :-)
[22:26] <jcastro> jono: you like Dragonforce, you're not right about alot of things
[22:26]  * jcastro is fired.
[22:26] <jono> jcastro, whoa whoa whoa! I do NOT like Dragonforce
[22:26] <jcastro> hahaha
[22:26] <jono> don't spread those rumors
[22:27]  * mhall119 google dragonforce
[22:27] <jcastro> the transformer is exactly $200 worse than an ipad, which is what I paid for it.
[22:27] <jono> I knew those guys, didnt mean I liked them
[22:27] <akgraner> jcastro yeah - it's the only thing in this are - no ALF and no FL show now
[22:27] <akgraner> so people come from all over this area
[22:27] <jono> jcastro, lets do phone
[22:27] <jcastro> but yeah, honeycomb is a steaming pile, ICS should run nice on it.
[22:27] <jcastro> jono: okey
[22:27] <jono> I cant sit with this damn headset on any longer
[22:27] <jcastro> ok
[22:27] <mhall119> we need a good community show in florida
[22:27] <akgraner> jono said damn - insert beavis laugh here
[22:28] <jono> lol
[22:28] <akgraner> jcastro SELF is a cool show - ask jono he's been
[22:28] <mhall119> it is a cool show
[22:28]  * mhall119 has been
[22:28] <akgraner> :-)
[22:29] <akgraner> jcastro, you going - how about a charm school at SELF - can I pitch it?
[22:29] <akgraner> juju magic at SELF as well - that would rock
[22:38] <akgraner> mhall119, I miss working with the SELF guys - need to figure out what's happening these days..
[22:47] <technoviking> my music collection finally gotten too big for Bansgee
[22:48] <technoviking> s/bansgee/banshee
[23:04] <bkerensa> anyone remember the command to upgrade to an alpha release?
[23:14] <popey> bkerensa: sudo update-manager -d
[23:14] <popey> bkerensa: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:14] <bkerensa> :D
[23:50] <JanC> bkerensa: in addition to what popey said, you can also just s/oneiric/precise/g in your APT sources list(s), and then upgrade carefully...  ;)
[23:51] <JanC> technoviking: my music collection has been too big for banshee since forever  ;)
[23:52] <JanC> BTW: I think there should be an U1MS client that is independent from any music player...
[23:53] <JanC> either a web interface or a separate GUI client would do, I guess...
[23:55] <JanC> oh, and finally fix the payment options  ;)
[23:58] <greg-g> JanC: gmusicbrowser or what's your preferred music client then?
[23:59] <JanC> I use quod libet mostly
[23:59]  * greg-g used gmusicbrowser back when his library was huge, but now with the SSD laptop harddrive....
[23:59] <JanC> but gmusicbrowser seemed okay when i tried it