[00:19] the meeting bot seems to have taken a short sabatical, should be back in the not too distant future === doko_ is now known as doko [02:57] lamont: How R U? === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:50] #startmeeting [10:50] Meeting started Thu Dec 1 10:50:50 2011 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 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[10:51] :) [10:52] lol === ashams_ is now known as ashams === Laney is now known as Guest60660 === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [14:50] foo [14:50] * ogra_ gets pre-meeting coffee === Laney is now known as Guest19719 === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk [14:59] #startmeeting [14:59] Meeting started Thu Dec 1 14:59:53 2011 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [14:59] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:00] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111201 [15:01] so who's here? [15:01] o/ === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [15:01] * GrueMaster is self-caffinating. [15:02] ok, I think we have enough people [15:03] We have no action items from last meeting, so [15:03] [topic] Standing Items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Standing Items [15:03] #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html [15:03] just because you didnt note them down :P [15:03] i was supposed to get the Wi tracker filled :) [15:03] if anyone is missing a spec he works on, please let me know [15:04] I probably need to go through all mine and make them sane. [15:04] ogra_: oh d'oh. I grepped for #action in the log but I used [action] >.<; [15:04] I've been too busy working to work. [15:04] I need to be consistent or my greps break [15:04] well, at least make sure they are targeted for precise and approved [15:04] (thats for everyone, to have your spec show up these two need to be true) [15:05] and it helps if they have an owner ... i think there is one jani spec that doesnt yet [15:05] (i'll talk to him when he is around) [15:05] NCommander, move [15:05] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:06] Not muchto say here [15:06] so [15:06] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:07] paolo is moving and not online until monday [15:07] afaik he spammed GrueMaster with some SRU kernels though :) [15:07] cooloney was working on an internal project for me so i doubt he would have much to report [15:07] Only SRU kernel I currently have is for Oneiric omap4. Finished testing yesterday. [15:08] I also tested a slew of test kernels for bug 861296. [15:08] Launchpad bug 861296 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296 [15:08] It should make the next SRU release. [15:10] well, its mainly important for the buildds [15:10] yes. [15:11] #optic ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:11] #topic ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:11] helps if I spell it right [15:11] what is FTBFS [15:11] jhobbs: Failure to Build from Source [15:12] jhobbs: Failure To Build From Source. [15:12] thanks [15:12] well, we should all help on armhf currently [15:12] And with a new port online, I'd like to encourage everyone to look at the armhf FTBFS lists and go to town. [15:12] just grab a failed build [15:13] (There will be a mass-give-back in a couple of hours, so... After that) :P [15:13] http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html [15:13] there is the overview [15:13] thanks, i was about to ask for that =) [15:14] how about the "normal" ftbfs ... NCommander anything noticeable ? [15:14] jhobbs: feel free to poke any of us in #ubuntu-arm if you need help with FTBFS fixing [15:14] ogra_: I haven't reviewed the list extensively since last week [15:16] * ogra_ neither, i was watching hf all the time [15:16] ruby needs some love there [15:17] on the non hf [15:17] and ooooh surprise !!! [15:17] telepathy-glib [15:17] :P [15:17] if anyone says mono, I'm jumping off the tallest building I can find [15:18] mono is over and out :P [15:18] I think doko pinged us about ruby a few days ago in #ubuntu-arm. [15:18] for hf i thought [15:18] mono has a few more testsuite failures on armhf than it does on armel, otherwise fine. [15:18] where it has a timeout [15:18] * GrueMaster shouts "MONO LIVES" [15:18] lol [15:18] ruby is suffering testsuite timeouts, yeah. [15:18] We'll have to poke at that. [15:19] I'm told it might be a kernel bug. :/ [15:19] Related to the test timeouts I saw with python and perl (transiently, apparently) as well. [15:19] well, is that true for non hf ? [15:20] Sometimes, maybe. [15:20] ah, yeah [15:20] It's a bit vague. [15:20] it is [15:20] same error message in the log [15:20] well, lets move [15:21] NCommander, ... [15:21] [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) [15:21] it builds !!! [15:21] (some packages at least) [15:21] How close are we to getting armhf images? I would imagine core would be first. [15:21] i have also added info about it to the A1 announcement [15:22] GrueMaster, a week or two for core i would guess [15:22] Core could be only a few days away, depending on effort put in. [15:22] And luck. [15:22] Other images, dunno. [15:22] yeah, others will take lots of time i would guess [15:22] We have two toolchain bugs we're still fixing, but other than that, it's just a lot of grunt work and CPU time. [15:23] Need kernel support, I would assume? [15:23] not in A2 timeframe i bet [15:23] kernels would be nice. [15:23] according to kernel team they are uploaded [15:23] ogra_: Kernel team only does omap. [15:23] omap4 too [15:23] paolo ... [15:24] i talked to jani, he is aware that we should get ac100 onto hf as well [15:24] not sure what to do for mx5 [15:24] Yeah, there's been no linux-ti-omap4 upload yet. [15:24] jcrigby would be the man to bug about mx5. [15:24] Anyhow. We'll sort it. [15:24] yep [15:25] We are still running the Oneiric omap4 kernel. Should be resolved next week though. [15:25] Kernels don't do us much good just yet anyway. If they land in a week or so, I'm happy. [15:25] GrueMaster, hopefully soon, we need 4460 fixes [15:26] NCommander, move ? [15:26] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:26] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:26] we have A1's !! [15:27] apart from the omap network issue seems they look all good [15:27] *really* good given its A1 [15:27] kudos to GrueMaster for the test effort !!! [15:27] awesome work [15:27] heh [15:27] +1 GrueMaster [15:27] nothing else from me [15:28] The images oddly are not much different from Oneiric. [15:28] yeah [15:28] Good. :P [15:28] we didnt change a thing but general package updates [15:28] NCommander, move [15:29] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) [15:29] On the daily image build issue, I only show 1 fewer on armel vs x86 since the opening of P [15:29] sigh. [15:29] ? [15:29] Automation work on SRU testing is going strong. Lot of fixes to the wrt test suite. [15:29] This is an upsetting statistic? [15:29] GrueMaster: seems the archive skew patch is doing its job [15:30] Archive skew though isn't the only reason images may fail to exist, just the most common [15:30] s/wrt/qrt [15:30] yeah [15:30] pretty well it seems [15:30] #chair ogra [15:30] Warning: Nick not in channel: ogra [15:30] Current chairs: NCommander ogra [15:30] #chair ogra_ [15:30] Current chairs: NCommander ogra ogra_ [15:31] With NCommander's help, I can now automate Natty installs for SRU testing. Once we have Maverick, I can automate 90% of the SRU process. [15:31] brb [15:31] awesome !!! [15:32] back, sorry about that [15:32] Still running into issues with the qrt tests. For every 3 fixes to make them work on arm, a new "feature" gets added that breaks. [15:32] fun [15:32] Which means I need to review and figure out why they broke. [15:33] I'm working on cooking the maverick voodoo now [15:33] move ? [15:33] I would like to propose that going forward, we enable netinstall for all supported platforms, as it will greatly help in future SRU testing efforts. [15:34] #topic Linaro Updates (rsalveti) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) [15:34] * rsalveti waves [15:34] our planning for the 11.12 is done already! [15:34] GrueMaster: we almost always do, omap was an exception to that rule (I always do enablement with netboot images, but the omap4 booting from SD card pre-empted that design at first) [15:34] https://launchpad.net/linaro-dev-platform/+milestone/11.12 [15:34] please have a look at the blueprints we have [15:34] and subscribe if you want to be updated about the progress [15:35] the u-boot related ones are the most interesting for the images I believe [15:35] rsalveti: is there a status.linaro.org page or something? [15:35] we'll try to enable SPL for omap 3 and also try to have only one SPL that would work for omap 3 and 4 [15:35] NCommander: yes, but still need some rework [15:35] rsalveti, is the settop box stuff being worked on with the #ubuntu-tv team ? [15:35] because we changed our process a little bit [15:36] ogra_: not yet I believe, something we need to discuss with them [15:36] don't know if they are interested on xmbc for now [15:36] or if they want to create a different solution [15:36] well, they are working on UI elements on top of the player SW [15:36] what we're trying to do is to enable the needed patches to make it working fine wiht omap 4 [15:36] like, making it to work with glesv2 and gstreamer [15:37] ogra_: oh, ok, so will sync with them [15:37] i.e. unity adjustments to run on top of a running stream/tv show etc [15:37] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise [15:37] this is also going to affect precise [15:37] thats the one smagoun is intrested in, right = [15:37] ?` [15:37] and hopefully firefox will be cross-buildable at precise at the end of the month [15:38] ogra_: yes [15:38] ogra_: but the other one that smagoun created is still to be approved it seems [15:38] let me try to find it [15:38] not sure who has to do that [15:39] maybe foundations? [15:39] might be [15:39] wasnt that cross live-build stuff ? [15:39] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-arm-p-cross-compilable-packages [15:39] ah [15:39] this is the one related with cross build enablement [15:40] well, if yours gets implemented i dont see a reason to have an ubuntu one as well [15:40] sure, but ours is more related with firefox atm [15:40] effectively they will implement the same [15:40] this was related with ubuntu-core and a few other packages [15:40] right [15:40] I was just worried that this is not yet approved [15:40] and don't know who is responsible for it at the ubuntu side [15:40] well, we wont have resources i bet ... [15:41] something to check with smagoun [15:41] once there are hf images etc we will get very very busy [15:41] yup [15:41] ogra_: yeah [15:41] another one that we just need to be approved is the libjpeg-turbo one [15:41] let me find the link [15:41] though server is currently on halt ... probably NCommander is bored enough to look at this spec :) [15:41] why does that need a spec ? [15:41] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/replace-libjpeg-by-libjpeg-turbo [15:42] i thought thats just a transition and already approved [15:42] ogra_: kate request this blueprint to be created [15:42] k [15:42] tom gall is working on it [15:42] yep [15:42] * NCommander wimpers [15:42] but she also wanted a bp to track the work [15:42] ogra_: it ins't approved yet [15:42] davidm: can you approve this blueprint? [15:42] tell him to ping me if he needs sponsoring [15:42] ogra_: sure [15:42] ogra_: It's already well underway with Foundations. [15:43] ogra_: Including much back and forth review and critique. [15:43] yeah, thoght so [15:43] guess this is just to track the work [15:43] so probably foundations should own it [15:43] so it can be part of status and so on [15:43] doesnt really seem arm related given we will switch for all arches [15:43] yeah, fair enough [15:43] so will check the other with smagoun and this with foundations [15:44] guess that's all form my side then [15:44] any question? [15:44] any heavy u-boot breakage we need to be prepared for ? [15:44] ogra_: not atm [15:44] apart from changing the build scripts for new MLO [15:44] great ! [15:45] ogra_: once we have a newer version or a big change, we'll let you know about it [15:45] oh [15:45] rsalveti, have you seen the hf discussion above ? [15:45] thanks rsalveti [15:45] we will need hf as target arch in mx5 [15:45] since linaro maintains that kernel [15:45] ogra_: sure [15:45] i guess you want a bug ? [15:45] ogra_: we just need to know when we'll be able to push the package [15:46] now :) [15:46] rsalveti: Yesterday. [15:46] or tomorrow [15:46] ogra_: great [15:46] or so :) [15:46] so are we able to bootstrap armhf already? [15:46] no hurry, but it should happen at some point [15:46] Almost. [15:46] rsalveti: we have it building in LP [15:46] last I saw infinity was still fighting with it [15:46] rsalveti, we're building already [15:47] great then, will talk with jcrigby then [15:47] thanks for the heads up [15:47] --variant=minbase should work in about an hour. :P [15:47] (And I'll have core images building tonight) [15:47] infinity: :-) [15:47] GrueMaster: --^ [15:47] Yea. [15:47] go infinity go [15:47] http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html [15:47] rsalveti, ^^ [15:48] ogra_: thanks [15:48] Okay, maybe in two hours. [15:48] NCommander, move [15:48] I'll just settle for "tonight". ;) [15:48] * ogra_ translates "tonight -> monday" :P [15:49] monday is still fine ;-) [15:49] infinite optimism ... ;) [15:49] ... from infinity [15:49] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:50] * ogra_ has nothing [15:50] * NCommander also has nothing [15:50] anyone ? [15:50] going once [15:50] twice [15:51] three times [15:51] #endemeeting [15:51] heh [15:51] try again [15:51] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:51] Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 15:51:19 2011 UTC. [15:51] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-01-14.59.moin.txt [15:51] #endmeeting [15:51] ha [15:51] first :P [15:51] dont forget the call in 10min [15:51] stupid fingers === Guest19719 is now known as Laney === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [16:51] hello hello! [16:52] Community Council meeting in 8 [16:57] Aloha [16:57] hey there [16:58] hello! [16:58] moo [17:00] o// [17:00] time to start [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started Thu Dec 1 17:00:24 2011 UTC. The chair is akgraner. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:00] Welcome to the CC meeting - who's here [17:00] o/ [17:00] Mark might be a bit late, but should make it [17:00] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:00] \\o [17:01] o/ [17:01] o>-< [17:01] oops, let me rotate 90° [17:01] great - so looks like first up is welcoming the Edubuntu Council [17:01] \o/ [17:01] highvoltage: aloha there thanks for coming [17:01] #topic #Edubuntu Council Review === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: #Edubuntu Council Review [17:01] it's great to have you here :) [17:02] highvoltage, welcome! [17:02] stgraber, alkisg: are you around? [17:02] thanks! [17:02] Hi all [17:02] alkisg, highvoltage, stgraber (who else is here?): how have your last few months been in Edubuntu land? [17:02] Can you fill us in on how things are going with you all.. [17:02] First off, thanks for doing this review! [17:03] In Edubuntu, we purposely try to keep the Council itself just that [17:03] and keep the part where we actually do things as a team in edubuntu-dev [17:03] but as it happens, edubuntu-dev and edubuntu-council are pretty much the same at this point [17:03] * alkisg is an LTS guy so he can't comment much about the last few months, but I can comment about 10.04 in Greek schools - it's a big success, we deployed it to 120.000 laptops and to 250 schools so far [17:03] alkisg, WOW [17:03] impressive [17:03] nice! [17:04] Half of them are in this map: http://goo.gl/maps/nOoQ [17:04] That IS impressive [17:04] I guess on a project level our most exciting thing is our colaboration with Debian-Edu [17:04] in some of their deployments they want to use Ubuntu/Edubuntu Desktop with Debian-Edu servers [17:04] that is amazing [17:05] so we're investigating what we can do to get their scripts packaged in Ubuntu. [17:06] That's great! [17:06] I'm visiting a school on Saturday that's been running Ubuntu for 6 years now, I'm going to do an interview with them and hopefully it will be the first of a series of school interviews [17:06] but that's not really EC specific :) [17:06] highvoltage, I could imagine that the collaboration on a package level is working out well - are there points where the goals in Debian-Edu and Edubuntu are different? [17:06] I guess if we talk just about EC-specific stuff then our scope is rather small [17:07] dholbach: currently debian-edu provides a complete solution, server and client side. we just do client-side atm. the server stuff is a lot of work that we don't have the manpower to take on at the moment [17:07] alkisg: highvoltage: what would you say is the primary motivater decision-makers have for putting ubuntu in schools? [17:07] getting new contributors for Edubuntu seems hard, people just don't find it all that interesting [17:09] YokoZar: it's different from area to area and also budgets, in the more affluent schools you find that they want it because some of their needs are completely met with just having a web browser and openoffice.org. [17:09] YokoZar: in other cases, people don't really care and just want something cheap [17:09] It's hard to summarize the Ubuntu or FLOSS benefits in general in a few words... cost, ease of installation and maintainance, freedom of changing + redistributing the software... bits are missing, of course, but the whole community is working on making the experience better [17:09] highvoltage, are schools getting in touch with the Edubuntu team much? are there people in the schools themselves who might start contributing? [17:09] YokoZar: and then there are those who want to spend less time on fixing malware related problems [17:09] dholbach: for a long time we had very, very little feedback from anyone [17:10] dholbach: then stgraber added the webform on http://edubuntu.org/contact [17:10] alkisg: For sure, the benefits are many, I'm just looking for a more coherent lesson to help guide the ubuntu-elevator-pitch [17:10] perhaps if we highlighted some of your projects, it would help to attract folk who want to work on stuff that's noticed [17:10] dholbach: and suddenly we are getting around 10 e-mails a week from Edubuntu users [17:10] wow, nice :) [17:10] highvoltage, nice [17:10] highvoltage: where do these emails go? a mailing list or published anywhere? [17:10] dholbach: some of them have really great ideas that I've tried to get them to post to edubuntu-users about, but they rarely do [17:11] pleia2: no, unfortunately, that's why I want to get those interview going, it would be awesome to get it out in the open what some people are doing [17:11] (mostly I'm just curious, not questioning policy or anything :)) [17:11] sabdfl: indeed [17:11] This great work! highvoltage, alkisg stgraber are there any questions you have for the CC - anything you need from us specifically at this point in time? [17:12] highvoltage, maybe you should reply with something like "Would you mind if I share your suggestion with our users/developers?" and CC them, if they're OK with doing that ;-) [17:12] This *is* great work (I meant to type) [17:12] sabdfl: earlier (I'm not sure if you were in the channel yet) I was talking about an interview I'm having with a school in Cape Town that's been running Ubuntu for 6 years now (I'm planning to get some nice video too), and I hope that that's the first in a line of them [17:13] akgraner: I've submitted our list of nominations to the CC for the EC elections, I guess that's pretty much it [17:13] * YokoZar wonders if sabdfl is already familiar with that particular school... [17:13] this really is excellent work [17:13] If we were to have some dev support, I think the first need would be easy user + shared home management, maybe something like freeipa, that would make it easier for schools that don't have sysadmins. Other than that we have an LTS release ahead so we mostly focus on stability now :) [17:13] we were planning to extend our term to 2 years after the first year [17:14] I'm not sure if we need to formally do that in a CC meeting or if we could just update the wiki to reflect that [17:14] the CEO of the company I work for said he'd round up the schools that we work with in Canada / US as well and let us interview them [17:15] highvoltage: You mean you want the newly elected council members to serve 2 year terms and the next election would be during the next LTS cycle? [17:15] so I hope that getting the word out will also help is get more Edubuntu contributors, so that maybe next time we won't have the same old people nominated for the EC (not that there's anything wrong with them, they're great) [17:16] YokoZar: that's what was discussed a year ago, yes === Laney is now known as HOHOHaney [17:16] and news just in: [17:16] 12:11 < skaet> stgraber, highvoltage - edubuntu alpha 1 is released. [17:16] great stuff [17:16] you mentioned that there was little to do for the Edubuntu Council up until now? what did EC work involve? did you approve edubuntu members? [17:16] sorry for all the blabbering :) [17:17] dholbach: indeed, we've had very few applications though (I think it's been 2 over the last year (or was that 2 years)) [17:17] highvoltage, thanks a lot for blabbering - it's great to get an insight into what's been going on [17:17] sounds like a plan are there any other questions of items of interest in relation to Edubuntu that needs to be address (Congrats on Alpha 1) [17:18] My preference for elections is indeed two year terms and conducted during the LTS cycle when possible, that cadence seems to match up with other processes quite well [17:18] it's an area we really want to improve on, but it's sometimes hard, especially since our interests are broad and are already stretched quite thin [17:18] YokoZar: ok, great [17:18] WebLive has also been quite successful. That's stgraber's pet project [17:18] we've had more than 100000 people log in to try Edubuntu via their web browser so far [17:19] (we actually hit 100k during UDS last month, so it's even higher now) [17:19] For a bit longer term, perhaps 12.10, we might want to apply for some printed Edubuntu discs too for locos. [17:20] distribution is hard, since we don't have printed CD's at the moment [17:20] nods [17:20] so approving members was an EC task, was there anything else the EC had to deal with specifically? [17:20] that might be a wiser choise then the Server cd that's sent imo [17:20] we've made it slightly easier for 3rd party providers to have themselves known by adding them to http://edubuntu.org/marketplace [17:20] it helps a little, but it would be nice to give a little more to locos. [17:20] nods makes sense [17:21] highvoltage: have you tried to reach out to locoteams? [17:21] dholbach: technically if edubuntu-dev is in deadlock the issue would be escelated to edubuntu-council [17:21] * YokoZar wonders if printed LTS edubuntu CDs would be more useful to distribute during later cycles [17:21] dholbach: but since we're the same people currently and since we usually pretty much agree, that hasn't happened yet [17:21] ok, I see [17:21] how many of you work for the same company? [17:21] highvoltage, I'll put the 5 of you on my list to interview for the weekly dev update :) [17:22] czajkowski: yep, we have. in some places we've had some success, some locos even run translated versions of the edubuntu website [17:22] czajkowski: at one stage we had an edubuntu loco project, but it became cumborsome to maintain seperately and it merged with the ubuntu loco teams [17:22] dholbach, you want that as an action item? [17:22]