[00:06] <LancsMike> ok....sorry, I have another question.....
[00:06] <LancsMike> On OpenShot, how do you add bullet points to animate into the pictures you are setting up in the timeline?
[00:22] <LancsMike> Thanks all and good night!!
[00:24] <AlanBell> ●◎○
[00:24] <AlanBell> bullets
[06:37] <knightwise> Good morning everyone
[07:00] <sagaci> hi knightwise
[07:07] <knightwise> how are you today
[08:09] <awilkins> Bloke here on train with about 5,000 lines of C# in one file >_<
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: as long as it's not in one function...
[08:11] <awilkins> No, not that bad.
[08:12] <awilkins> Can't really read it discretely across the aisle. He has a Thinkpad, that engenders a certain degree of respect.
[08:12] <awilkins> We're going Dell for our workstation class laptops, apparently.
[08:13] <sagaci> just awkwardly cough *cough* I use patent-encumbered Mono *cough*
[08:14] <awilkins> I like C# as a language, not sure how I feel about the patent thing.
[08:15] <awilkins> On the one hand I think it's really unlikely that MS will brave the wrath of the EU by suing someone for using Mono.
[08:16] <awilkins> On the other, I'm mostly a Java coder these days...
[08:21] <AlanBell> morning all o/
[08:21] <awilkins> \o
[08:22]  * AlanBell dabbles in all languages, but not c# so far, never come across it
[08:23] <AlanBell> python, php, java, javascript normally
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> Perl for work, Python at home. Java when I try my hand at Android apps.
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> And C# when Banshee breaks
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> oh and javascript at work
[08:25] <AlanBell> I use kill -9 when banshee breaks
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: sure, but my banshee breaks in interesting ways
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it doesn't recognise my phone, for example
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> so I added some logging
[08:26] <awilkins> Banshee usually kills itself..
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> and I found out it doesn't even try
[08:30] <awilkins> Not sure about all the new bits of C# sine 2.0
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> I don't know anything about C# other than "If I type this and recompile, new stuff gets logged"
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> copy/paste trickery
[08:36] <AlanBell> some languages like to sprinkle semicolons everywhere, others don't.
[08:36] <AlanBell> that is all you need to know about programming
[08:50] <daubers> Morning
[08:51] <danfish> morning
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: also, {} vs spaces
[08:55] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: christmas tree chap just phoned me back to confirm
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks - I booked too the other day.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Same place and time
[08:58] <MooDoo> moring all
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> Mooring, MooDoo
[09:04] <MooDoo> hello MartijnVdS
[09:13] <DJones> Morning all
[09:16] <czajkowski> morning
[09:21]  * daubers needs stronger coffee
[09:22] <daubers> and the postman to bring his components he ordered
[09:22] <daubers> and a book on grammar
[09:23] <AlanBell> eats shoots and leaves
[09:23]  * AlanBell wonders if there is an excuse to go to London this afternoon
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: London Eye?
[09:24] <AlanBell> something more businesslike :)
[09:33] <JamesTait> I can't believe it's that time already, but Happy December everyone! :)
[09:34] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:35] <JamesTait> bigcalm: o/
[09:39] <oimon> http://www.t3.com/news/apple-employee-fired-for-facebook-rant
[09:48] <DJones> oimon: I saw that a few days ago, apparently Apple employees aren't allowed to say anything detrimental about Apple
[09:48] <oimon> it's funny, i'm re-reading 1984 atm ..
[09:48] <oimon> it was only a boy cursing his phone
[09:54] <MooDoo> oimon: detremental to the companies image....personally i would of decked the person who grassed
[09:54] <popey> bah
[09:54] <popey> lug.org.uk is down
[09:54] <MooDoo> you broke it popey ?
[09:54] <popey> no
[10:10] <JamesTait> jnick_tait: Hi! o/
[10:11] <jnick_tait> JamesTait: hello
[10:11] <daubers> AlanBell: I'm tempted to goto the science museum for the robot exhibition
[10:13] <JamesTait> Nice to see a fellow Tait around. :)
[10:15] <gord> if only we had an Alan Tait
[10:15] <oimon> or tait modern
[10:15] <daubers> gord: I thought we'd already exceeded our Alan Quota
[10:15] <AlanBell> there is no quota
[10:16] <JamesTait> My dad's middle name is Alan.
[10:16] <gord> we have enough for them to spoil any and all broths
[10:16] <JamesTait> Not quite the same.
[10:16] <MooDoo> gord: we also need a titfur
[10:17] <jnick_tait> JamesTait: the cool thing is that my first name is James too
[10:17] <MooDoo> arrrrrrrrrrrr two james taits?
[10:17] <daubers> AlanBell: Because all Alans are one?
[10:17] <JamesTait> jnick_tait: Let the world cower in fear. :)
[10:17] <jnick_tait> :-)
[10:31] <gord> oh right
[10:31] <gord> happy mailman day!
[10:32] <MooDoo> oh no :(
[10:32] <MooDoo> lol
[10:38] <dogmatic69> my ubuntu10.10 is getting real slow :( after opening a terminal window it takes about 30 seconds before the prompt shows
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what does "top" say? is something running at 100% CPU?
[10:39] <dogmatic69> i just rebooted and load average is 10
[10:39] <dogmatic69> chrome is 50%
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> try latencytop
[10:41] <j0nr> I have given up on chrome, seems to slow everything down
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> j0nr: at least it's not firefox
[10:41] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: installed that, what am i looking for?
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: the top of the screen -- apps doing massive amounts of i/o
[10:42] <j0nr> MartijnVdS: Well running Firefox things don't seem to slow down
[10:42] <dogmatic69> fsync 750ms
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: yes that's the call.. but it should be telling you which process is doing that
[10:43] <AlanBell> can anyone think of a reason why postgres might fail to support TLS when connected to from a particular IP address?
[10:43] <dogmatic69> if i click fsync, it has jbd2_log_wait_commit ext4_sync_file vfs_fsync_range etc
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: pg_hba.conf not having "ssl" in the entry for that host?
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: _click_?>
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: latencytop isn't a gui app
[10:43] <dogmatic69> :O
[10:44] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: sudo apt-get install latencytop, then ran 'latencytop' and it complained about sudo, so 'sudo latencytop' which opened up a little window
[10:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: does the ip in the cert match the hostname of the calling server?
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: strange
[10:45]  * MartijnVdS tries
[10:45] <MooDoo> AlanBell: just read that from the net...
[10:45] <AlanBell> MooDoo: no certs, anonymous TLS
[10:45] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: it does not look like the screenie here http://www.latencytop.org/
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: hey it's graphical now
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: Check the "targets" list
[10:46] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: which program is at the top?
[10:46] <dogmatic69> global
[10:46] <dogmatic69> then, sendmail
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: sure, that's always on top
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I guess you have a large sendmail queue?
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: try "mailq"
[10:47] <dogmatic69> 8k
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: 8k? as in 8kb or 8000 mails?
[10:47] <dogmatic69> latter
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that's waht causing your slowness
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> sendmail tries to read/send all those files
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> check /var/log/mail.log
[10:48] <dogmatic69> bah
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you may want to fix  that :)
[10:48] <dogmatic69> i think so
[10:48] <dogmatic69> checking the log now
[10:48] <AlanBell> let me rephrase my question because I am full of fail /o\
[10:49] <AlanBell> can anyone think of a reason why post*fix* might fail to support TLS when connected to from a particular IP address?
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because it has a blacklist entry in its configuration?
[10:49] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: log is full of Dec  1 10:48:53 ultra-magnus sm-mta[1772]: pASB0MG7026736: to=root, delay=2+23:29:09, xdelay=00:00:00, ...
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: "something" is sending an email
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: probably cron jobs
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you need to configure (or remove) sendmail, or install a replacement and configure that properly (nullmailer, for example)
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> then the mails will end up in YOUR mailbox and you can see what's wrong
[10:51] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: my + sudo crontab is empty
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: sure, but /etc/cron.d/ isn't  (or /etc/cron.daily, etc.)
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you might be able to look at the email content in /var/spool/ somewhere
[10:52] <dogmatic69> var/spool/mail is empty
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that's delivered mail
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I don't know where sendmail stores those files, please look around in /var a bit :)
[10:53] <dogmatic69> ah, it would be empty... hence the problem :D
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you might be able to fix it by doing dpkg-reconfigure sendmail
[10:54] <dogmatic69> var/spool/mqueue
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: and then selecting "Local delivery only"
[10:55] <dogmatic69> sudo dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-
[10:55] <dogmatic69> sendmail-base  sendmail-bin   sendmail-cf
[10:55] <dogmatic69> which one?
[11:06] <MooDoo> omg i'm so sick of support right now :D lol
[11:06] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: not figured out the config yet, but its much better now
[11:22] <popey> golly. john lewis sell chromebooks now http://www.johnlewis.com/Chromebooks/Chromebooks/Chromebooks/SubCategory.aspx
[11:23] <MooDoo> oooo yeah, 299 for the basic one :)
[11:24] <oimon> popey: i didn't have the same experience as you with mint - i get ubuntu security updates i think
[11:24] <gord> heh, i like that "Login" is one of the things they eliminated to increase how fast you "get to the web"
[11:25] <oimon> haven't heard about chrome for a while
[11:26] <davmor2> morning all
[11:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:33] <popey> oimon: you do get them, but mint recommend you dont install them
[11:34] <DJones> Definition of a hard drive according to the john lewis website "Built in memory used for storing your audio and video files etc"
[11:34] <DJones> I guess its right in its simplest form
[11:40]  * AlanBell slaps CISCO firewalls very very hard
[11:40] <DJones> Interesting recruitment method http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/
[11:41] <DJones> Linked from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15968878
[11:41] <popey> thats one for ali1234 & AlanBell ☺
[11:41]  * davmor2 lends AlanBell one of his WORK YOU *ADD EXPLETIVE* Mallets if you're going to do a job don't do it half hearted hit it with this :)
[11:42] <AlanBell> it intercepts and interfers with SMTP traffic
[11:42] <iclebyte> anyone here good with the suits?
[11:42] <ali1234> popey: i think i broke the canonical recruitment page :/
[11:42] <AlanBell> strips out STARTTLS from the server response amongst other stuff
[11:43] <popey> heh
[11:43] <ali1234> popey: precisely
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: who needs privacy!
[11:45] <AlanBell> we just spent 2 hours tracing this thing with telnet to port 25
[11:51] <kvarley> Are there any sites you know of where I can find out how to build a compact, low power, fanless pc? I saw on youtube a guy made one from an Intel Desktop Board with an atom processor to run Ubuntu on was all
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there aren't many sites that teach you that one specific thing
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> it's just "building a PC" while buying the least noisy parts :)
[11:51] <occupy64k> I'm using a mini-itx board which is fanless
[11:53] <oimon> iclebyte: what's your question?
[11:53] <kvarley> occupy64k: What CPU and case do you have?
[11:54] <occupy64k> It's an atom CPU.  The motherboard is Intel D525MW
[11:54] <occupy64k> And I'm running off of a USB thumb drive, so no hard disk
[11:54] <popey> kvarley: why do you want to build one, why not just buy one?
[11:55] <occupy64k> The case is, well, "home made"
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> Welded sheets of iron?
[11:55] <kvarley> popey: The few ones I looked at were the cost of a gaming rig for an eighth of the power
[11:55] <occupy64k> Almost
[11:56] <popey> kvarley: whats it going to be used for?
[11:56] <kvarley> popey: Web browsing / Instant Messaging / Playing video
[11:56] <kvarley> I realise that if I want passively cooled I will likely have to sacrifice the video playing part
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> nah
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> recent CPUs (and GPUs) come with built-in H.264 decoders
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> so even 1080p should be possible
[11:58] <kvarley> =]
[11:58] <popey> kvarley: get a revo?
[11:58] <popey> revos do have fans but they generally only kick in when the GPU is in heavy use
[11:58] <popey> (I have two on my desk here, they're by no means noisy
[11:59] <kvarley> popey: But they do have fans?
[11:59] <popey> it has a fan on the gpu
[11:59] <popey> a tiny one
[11:59] <kvarley> hhmm
[11:59] <kvarley> You're running Ubuntu on them?
[11:59] <popey> http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/105218_inside.jpg
[11:59] <popey> yes
[12:00] <popey> my mum has one as her desktop pc
[12:00] <popey> she basically does email, facebook, youtube
[12:00] <kvarley> Ah yes, I recall mumbuntu from the uupc =]
[12:01] <bigcalm> I have a revo on my desk that acts as my web dev server, fan only kicks in when it needs to do heavy number crunching
[12:02] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: What model of revo do you have?
[12:02] <bigcalm> Bother, 128gb ssd are still expensive
[12:02] <bigcalm> r3600
[12:02] <popey> sa,e
[12:02] <popey> *same
[12:02] <popey> 3 of them
[12:02] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: Thanks
[12:02] <kvarley> popey: They're good then? ;)
[12:02] <popey> heh
[12:02] <popey> I have SSD's in two of them
[12:03] <awilkins> Joy, my router has crashed
[12:03] <popey> and upped to 4GB RAM
[12:03] <bigcalm> I upgraded to 4gb ram but currently it has a 32bit 10.04.3 on it :(
[12:03] <bigcalm> Will rectify that with 12.04 next year
[12:04] <bigcalm> I wonder how it will cope with unity
[12:04] <andylockran> guys, is there a command to cat the 27th line of our  a file?
[12:04] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: Is the esata port on the back esatap or just esata? (Does it provide power to the hdd or not?)
[12:04] <bigcalm> Pass
[12:04] <bigcalm> You'll have to look it up
[12:04] <popey> dunno
[12:05] <popey> however I dont think the newer revo has esata at all
[12:05] <bigcalm> Aye, our revos are the old versions that I don't think are available any more
[12:06] <kvarley> I'll look at various nettops I guess, thanks for the help
[12:06] <bigcalm> Welcome
[12:06] <kvarley> I want a more powerful companion to my RaspberryPi when I get it
[12:13] <AlanBell> life is a minestrone, and so is my lunch
[12:13] <oimon> anyone else had update-apt-xapi making ubuntu 11.10 vista-like?
[12:14] <oimon> i terms of unusable performance
[12:16] <brobostigon> oimon, i had that problem, many years ago, didnt figure out why, not seen it recently.
[12:17]  * davmor2 saw the mine part of AlanBell's last message and thought Oh God even AlanBell is talking about life and MineCraft now :)
[12:18] <oimon> brobostigon: which distro you runnign right now?
[12:18] <MooDoo> davmor2: there's only one minecraft....ONE MINECRAFT
[12:19] <brobostigon> oimon, debian sid + experimental.
[12:19] <oimon> DE?
[12:19] <brobostigon> oimon, plain gnome3 with gnome-shell.
[12:20] <oimon> + gnome shell extensions?
[12:20] <brobostigon> no.
[12:21] <oimon> have you tried them?
[12:21] <brobostigon> no.
[12:21] <brobostigon> oimon, are you refferring to mint extensions?
[12:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: You say that but there is MineCraft Mobile too :P
[12:21] <brobostigon> mints*
[12:22] <oimon> yes, i think so, however they are installable in deb/ubuntu
[12:22] <oimon> (of course)
[12:22] <brobostigon> oimon, in which case, no, i havent tried them, and there is dicussion about packaging them into debian.
[12:23] <oimon> they make gnome shell usable :)
[12:23] <brobostigon> oimon, i am happy, how gnoome-shell is now, for the most part, there are sopme niggly issues, but nothing hugely major, for me.
[12:24] <oimon> i cannot get over the number of clicks required to do anything in the default shell#
[12:25] <brobostigon> oimon, i do very little clicking, i do most stuff from my keyboard.
[12:25] <popey> +1
[12:25] <popey> keyboard > mouse
[12:26] <davmor2> just me still using the mouse then
[12:26] <oimon> davmor2: me too
[12:27] <davmor2> oimon: that one reason I prefer Unity over gnomeshell all the apps down the side that I need 1 click
[12:27] <oimon> mouse shuffle then click
[12:35] <kvarley> popey & bigcalm: The revo looks remarkably good. Quiet, powerful, loads of useful ports and stuff. =
[12:35] <gord> i should get another revo, its been a few months since i have bought one
[12:36] <kvarley> gord: Haha, addicted to buying revos?
[12:36] <monsterwizard> is there a site where Ican do excerices involving linux commands
[12:36] <bigcalm> Still pondering replacing my parents' Viglen MPC-L with a Revo. Maybe get myself a newer one
[12:43] <oimon> brobostigon: the window list extension is a bit ugly looking, hopefully that can be tarted up. oh look, there's update-apt-xapian-index eating my machine http://i.imgur.com/omnGn.png
[12:47] <brobostigon> oimon, ah, let me look. i am familier with what update-apt-xapian can do. :)
[12:47] <oimon> i think it happens because i was dual booting
[12:48] <oimon> when i boot back into ubuntu it shags it for the first 15 mins
[12:48] <smittix> Afternoon all
[12:48] <oimon> because i hadn't booted into 11.10 for a while
[12:48] <oimon> need to renice it lower i guess
[12:50] <oimon> stuff that is set to run ASAP after boot like that is not friendly to the user, and rather windows-ish
[12:52] <popey> pretty sure update manager doesnt run right after boot
[12:52] <popey> it has a built in delay of some minutes, so it doesn't punch you in the face after boot
[12:56] <ging> mine used to pop up at the exact same time each day, then it stopped doing that, now it's random
[12:58] <oimon> it's seizing up a system that used to be OK with earlier releases. what is it actually doing?
[13:00] <DJones> Does anybody use the lovefilm service? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/01/lovefilm_dumps_flash/ Moving to MS Silverlight
[13:03] <dogmatic69> silverlight was dropped by MS
[13:03] <dogmatic69> sure ive read something like thtat
[13:03] <gord> i use it, but via the ps3
[13:03] <DJones> dogmatic69: I've seen reports of rumours its going to be dropped, don't think its been confirmed
[13:04] <DJones> dogmatic69: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/microsoft_killing_silverlight_rumours/
[13:04] <chrisjrob> they have confirmed that they are concentrating on HTML5
[13:04] <chrisjrob> which is tantamount to the same thing
[13:04] <chrisjrob> would have thought silverlight was a very peculiar decision
[13:04] <chrisjrob> for love film
[13:05] <gord> microsoft is a biiiiiiiiig company, the left hand saying they are concentrating on HTML5 does not mean that the right hand is also doing that
[13:06]  * chrisjrob nods
[13:06] <chrisjrob> true
[13:08] <chrisjrob> but their default browser will probably not support it
[13:08] <chrisjrob> metro IE
[13:09] <chrisjrob> tbh it is almost immaterial whether they kill it or not - HTML5 will win by being better, it'll just take time
[13:09] <gordonjcp> anyone got any pointers on tracking down suspend problems in 11.10?
[13:10] <gord> i don't think html5 is in a state where it is "better", however, it is more accessible, coming by default in modern browsers and phones
[13:10] <chrisjrob> and doesn't need plugins
[13:10] <gord> especially audio in html5, which is damn near awful
[13:11] <chrisjrob> i have tried implementing video in HTML5 and it's a bit basic and not universally supported
[13:11] <davmor2> gord: I think the advantage comes from the fact that you don't have to refactor all of you code to work on different platforms it just magically works
[13:12] <gord> davmor2, with html5? ehhhh, you'll always need (if browser == "browser_that_thinks_its_special) { do_different_thing() })
[13:12] <chrisjrob> less so these days
[13:13] <chrisjrob> in fact quite surprisingly good in IE these days
[13:13] <davmor2> gord: yeah but it's a minor code change rather than a complete code rewrite to work with flash or silverlight or ......
[13:13] <gord> Dart might make that kind of stuff less annoying, though honestly no one is going to use Dart
[13:15] <gord> davmor2, remind me, next thurs at the lighthouse right?
[13:19] <bigcalm> Yeah, during my week off!
[13:21] <directhex> silverlight is on its deathbed
[13:21] <directhex> but the big studios want moar DRMs
[13:22] <directhex> just you wait for DRM-enabled <video> tags. that's what MS will mean when they keep saying "native html5"
[13:22] <directhex> IE-only DRM'd <video>
[13:32] <daubers> Anyone else getting suckered into the code breaking thing that went up today?
[13:33] <gord> hrm?
[13:33] <awilkins> I looked and mused about some of the odd sequences
[13:33] <awilkins> GCHQ are recruiting with games.
[13:34] <awilkins> They could at least have posted the code as text. Unless it's a red herring and the answer is steganographically hidden in the PNG
[13:34] <oimon> https://twitter.com/#!/BBCClick/status/142209117904322560 << response to livefilm announcement?
[13:35] <AlanBell> awilkins: I was wondering about that, seems unneccessarily hard
[13:35] <AlanBell> awilkins: they could have put it as text in the source or something
[13:36] <oimon> daubers: link?
[13:36] <daubers> http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/
[13:36] <awilkins> Real crypto is virtually impossible to crack, not sure who this kind of crossword puzzle stuff recruits these days.
[13:37] <awilkins> But I suppose they need a mix.
[13:37] <awilkins> "Overspecialize and you breed in weakness. It's slow death."
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: real crypto is surprisingly easy to crack if you know who has the key
[13:37]  * MartijnVdS gets his torture machines
[13:40] <oimon> http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/15b436de1f9107f3778aad525e5d0b20.js
[13:41] <awilkins> No! Not the X-Factor Tour Album!
[13:43] <awilkins> Now it looks more interesting.
[13:43] <davmor2> gord: possibly I'm looking to see who else is coming at the moment might just be you and me in which case I might postpone till January
[13:44] <gord> davmor2, cool cool, just let me know
[13:44] <DJones> daubers: the canyoucrackit test has been up since the beginning of November according to bbc website
[13:44] <DJones> Just not been publiscised
[13:47] <danfish> 42 <- there, that's that crypto thing solved
[13:47] <chrisjrob> danfish: ah, but what was the question?
[13:48] <smittix> Don't suppose anyone knows a plugin for wordpress that will auto share a new post on wordpress?
[13:48] <danfish> chrisjrob: could tell, have to kill you blah blah blah - I'm with GCHQ now :P
[13:49] <chrisjrob> :(
[13:49]  * chrisjrob orders a new danfish to be built
[13:50] <czajkowski> danfish: when we going rugby watching
[13:50] <AlanBell> oimon: how did you get to that?
[13:50] <danfish> chrisjrob: thankfully they broke the mould after me :)
[13:50] <danfish> czajkowski: def in the new year - fancy going to quins?
[13:51] <MooDoo> woohoo quins :D
[13:51] <czajkowski> danfish: yup
[13:51] <czajkowski> definately
[13:51] <MooDoo> my fave team :D
[13:51] <czajkowski> as long as the weekend of FOSDEM is out
[13:51] <czajkowski> we should start to plan this
[13:51] <oimon> AlanBell: i'd like to give you a fancy answer..but it's google
[13:52] <danfish> which weekend is FOSDEM?
[13:52] <directhex> 5th i think
[13:52] <czajkowski> smittix: what do you mean autoshare
[13:52] <directhex> 4th/5th
[13:52] <czajkowski> aye
[13:52] <oimon> AlanBell: site: command
[13:52] <directhex> i'll be there, as always
[13:52] <directhex> i hope my talk proposal is accepted
[13:52] <czajkowski> can it have less cats please
[13:53] <AlanBell> oimon: well that one looks like a very straightforward challenge
[13:54] <danfish> czajkowski: I know quins need to rearrange their schedule a bit - should be finalised next week apparently
[13:54] <AlanBell> not easy, but straightforward
[13:54] <AlanBell> implement the function to the spec provided and it will spit out the answer
[13:55] <czajkowski> danfish: cool then we should create an event and folks can buy tickets :)
[13:55] <czajkowski> and the beer and nibbles aftterwards
[13:55] <czajkowski> danfish: do not have a conference clashing and get  a day pass!
[13:56] <oimon> AlanBell: maybe unrelated
[13:56] <MooDoo> czajkowski: danfish damn you two that's my fave team....i might have to come to that one
[13:57] <danfish> czajkowski: definitely - I don't even have to research a pub - the Turk's Head is the bees knees
[13:57] <danfish> MooDoo: you should do
[13:58] <MooDoo> danfish: yeah as it's quins, i'm going to have to try for this one.
[13:58] <AlanBell> oimon: well this is stage 2 of the puzzle, solving it presumably tells you where stage 3 is
[14:00] <czajkowski> danfish: coool well once we have a date set lets get this underway
[14:01] <MooDoo> :D
[14:02] <danfish> czajkowski: no probs.
[14:02] <czajkowski> yay
[14:03] <danfish> will prob need a 'pick me up' in Jan/Feb - cruel months
[14:04] <MooDoo> danfish: how come? if you don't mind me asking
[14:04] <danfish> MooDoo: post-xmas, always dark going to and coming from work.
[14:04] <awilkins> Can't move the volume slider with keyboard either, AlanBell
[14:05] <AlanBell> awilkins: yeah, indeed
[14:06] <AlanBell> unity is a funny mix of only really working with a keyboard, and only really working with a mouse
[14:06] <MooDoo> danfish: ah that old chestnut
[14:06] <MooDoo> i think we should have a pre christmas ubuntu uk hangout on google + :)
[14:07] <AlanBell> MooDoo: we should!
[14:07] <awilkins> Unity 2D is a funny mix of being 2D, but needing OpenGL compositing or it looks like ass.
[14:07] <oimon> is there still a 10 person limit on hangout?
[14:07] <gordonjcp> urgh
[14:07] <awilkins> Little bits of redraw corruption everywhere
[14:07] <gordonjcp> that middle-click bug in Ubuntu's firefox package is annoying as hell
[14:08] <gordonjcp> especially since updates obliterate locally-changed files
[14:08] <MooDoo> ok everyone, any suggestions for the date of a pre christmas google+ hangout :D
[14:08] <oimon> wondering whether to use ubuntu + add bits from mint + remove other bits , or use mint and add bits from ubuntu
[14:08] <awilkins> Switched to Nouveau / 2D because nvidia / Unity was hard-crashing my machine too much.
[14:08] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: middle click closes tabs for me, what did you want it to do?
[14:08] <oimon> check the capacitors on the video card awilkins
[14:09] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: paste URL into an open tab
[14:09] <oimon> had that problem and the caps had spewed up some froth
[14:09] <gordonjcp> ie. select URL in another window, middle click on a firefox window and it opens the URL
[14:09] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it has been deliberately spragged in Ubuntu
[14:09] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: middle click in the url bar pastes the url for me
[14:09] <gordonjcp> not in the URL bar, in the content pane of the window
[14:10] <awilkins> No name : I'll have a peek, but it's rock steady on Windows / games.
[14:10] <AlanBell> err, but that does the scrolly thing
[14:10] <gordonjcp> much easier since you don't have to clear the URL bar without accidentally selecting, or creating a new tab
[14:10] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: not that I've noticed...
[14:11] <AlanBell> for me middle clicking a firefox window with scrollbars makes a circle appear with a dot in it and up and down arrows, I can then move the mouse relative to the circle to control the scroll speed
[14:13] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: might be because I have autoscrolling selected in the advanced preferences
[14:16] <gord> i enable auto-scroll because middle click (used to at least) open a new empty tab
[14:21] <oimon> brobostigon: ah, i discovered that update-apt-xapian-index has a -u switch
[14:21] <oimon> -u incremental update, reindexing only those packages whose version has changed since the last run
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> WTF is xapian?
[14:22] <gord> considering reducing the noise my phone makes when i have a meeting to go to to 30 seconds and replacing the noise with the countdown music...
[14:22] <oimon> a gremlin that lives inside your machine and jumps on the CPU and hard drive
[14:23] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: iirc it is the DB for package searching in most of the package managers
[14:23] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: a library/thing for doing indexed searching of stuff
[14:23] <daubers> gord: But get the people from IT crowd doing t rather than the real music!
[14:24] <gord> i like that episode :)
[14:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://xapian.org/
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> ah so it's apt showing its internals on the outside
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> ewww :)
[14:26] <oimon> once a week it rebuilds the index, but wondering if really necessary as it kills the machine. so why not just update the index
[14:26] <oimon> the machine has ubuntu+xubuntu+kubuntu+lubuntu+gnome shell on it
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> so lots of installed packages
[14:27] <oimon> a few :$
[14:28] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: no, it's an optional extra component that significantly speeds up searching (and possibly also dependency resolution, but don't quote me on that, I'm basically just going with what's potentially possible)
[14:39] <popey> gord: willcooke has the BBC startup sound when he logs in, it's ace. Boop-beep!
[14:39] <popey> I want that on my phone
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> is that like the Gameboy startup sound?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/gp2x.cgi?0,0,0,0,59,2681 ?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> http://8bs.com/sounds.htm ?
[14:42] <oimon> i had an electron...not such a beefy sound
[14:42]  * oimon is floating in nostalgia land
[14:43]  * MartijnVdS had a clone PC (8MHz)
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> it did weird things with it floppy and printer motors at boot
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> then the hard disk started to "beep" while reading
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> or whistle
[14:44] <gord> someone should make a ZXSpectrum emulator for phones, you could load the games by playing the taps on a tape player and having the phone listen to the sound
[14:44] <oimon> think i might change my text message sound
[14:45] <davmor2> gord: nice free time project for you by the look of it :)
[14:47] <gord> davmor2, my free time is dominated with saving princess zelda
[14:47] <gord> someone has to
[14:48] <oimon> i'll help after dec 25th with a gold wii controller
[14:49] <davmor2> gord: you're a sad sad man ;)
[14:50] <oimon> in the meantime i'm playing oblivion
[14:50] <oimon> not sure if it's worth the time investment yet though
[14:50] <oimon> seem to be running around in caves a lot atm
[14:50] <gord> davmor2, you misspelled "fantastic"
[14:51] <daubers> gord: Your princess is in another castle
[14:52] <gord> daubers, wrong game series ;)
[14:52] <davmor2> gord: no pretty sure it's alway zelda
[14:52] <daubers> gord: I always felt that they should mix the two
[14:53] <gord> princess is in another castle is from mario ;) about peach
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> Princess Preach
[14:54] <davmor2> gord: peach I thought it was toadstool
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Toad said it about Peach
[14:54] <gord> toad isn't a princess!
[14:55] <gord> daubers, http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534416 there you go
[14:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Peach is her first name now it makes sense
[14:55] <davmor2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Peach
[15:10] <ali1234> if anyone is interested, that GCHQ code posted earlier appears to be a DOS .com file. i'm not going to attempt to run executables from spying agencies on any computers i care about...
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you can run it through a disassembler
[15:11] <oimon> in a VM
[15:13] <daubers> gord: Afternoon productivity -10000
[15:14]  * oimon has a little snigger when people think my made-up-name account is a real person
[15:14] <oimon> e.g. jacob jaguar , barry badger and tom cat
[15:17]  * AlanBell suspects the .com file will just output 15b436de1f9107f3778aad525e5d0b20.js
[15:17] <shauno> eh, I came across at chap by the name of "randy sailor".  I find most names believable now
[15:18] <AlanBell> oh, maybe it outputs a word that you type into the page to get to the javascript
[15:19] <dogmatic69> shauno: his parents must have a good sense of humor
[15:19] <oimon> i knew a randy walerus too
[15:20] <shauno> I believe it doesn't carry the same meaning in the US
[15:20] <oimon> for their loss
[15:21] <DJones> They're as good as the couple we had at work booking their honeymoon, it was a Miss O. Something was marrying a Mr Krap, I can't image anybody wanting to be known as "Mrs O Krap"
[15:23] <popey> AlanBell: dosbox?
[15:26] <shauno> why's deadbeef written big-endian?
[15:26] <czajkowski> DJones: dr. I'm missing Mr. Krap
[15:26] <czajkowski> sooo soo many jokes
[15:29] <KrisDouglas> I cannot get my head around the ubuntu distro names, surely a panda is cuter than a pangolin.
[15:30] <popey> they're not supposed to be cute
[15:30] <popey> warthog?
[15:30] <KrisDouglas> popey, but everyone knows cute is better :P
[15:30] <popey> OSX Lion?
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> lions are cute
[15:31] <gordonjcp> lions are cute
[15:31] <popey> small ones, yeah ☺
[15:31] <gordonjcp> big snuggly cats
[15:31] <popey> ☺
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> Is there a document that actually explains the naming?
[15:31] <AlanBell> ice cream sandwich
[15:31] <popey> yes
[15:31] <gordonjcp> you just don't want to encourage them to start play-fighting
[15:31] <popey> mark explains each name in a blog post / mailing list post
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> because I always get laughed at when someone hears the name of the current ubuntu release
[15:31] <popey> or jono
[15:31] <gordonjcp> need to make sure that they know you are the Big Cat and they are the Little Cats
[15:31] <KrisDouglas> my grilfriend still loves that heron
[15:31] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[15:31] <popey> KrisDouglas: dont give the name then
[15:31] <popey> use version numbersa
[15:32] <gordonjcp> KrisDouglas: the heron graphic for the desktop was lovely
[15:32] <gordonjcp> also
[15:32] <popey> yeah, still the best t-shirt
[15:32] <KrisDouglas> popey, in an office full of geeks they always ask me what the name is now
[15:32] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784
[15:32] <KrisDouglas> it's a running joke
[15:32] <gordonjcp> Heron-era Ubuntu had a way nicer colour scheme
[15:32] <gordonjcp> the current colour scheme is frankly horrific
[15:32] <DJones> KrisDouglas: If the ubuntu codenames are odd, try these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
[15:32] <popey> see also fedora names
[15:33] <popey> Beefy Miracle anyone?
[15:33] <AlanBell> KrisDouglas: android has sillier names, osX has big cat names, fedora has ridiculous names
[15:33] <gordonjcp> the white, grey and purple thing, jeez
[15:33]  * BigRedS is currently using Squeeze and Wheezy :/
[15:33] <gordonjcp> looks like my desktop has septicaemia
[15:33] <DJones> beefy miracle sounds like Bovril
[15:33] <KrisDouglas> I think the food names has worked really well for Android
[15:33] <AlanBell> DJones: for reasons nobody understands beefy miracle is associated with a pork sausage in a bun
[15:33] <KrisDouglas> food names have**
[15:34] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: ah yes cause who doesn't want to go to a sweet shop after reading them
[15:34] <dogmatic69> :O Sheep on Meth
[15:34] <czajkowski> I am not looking forward to Q name
[15:34] <DJones> AlanBell: That must be something American
[15:34] <KrisDouglas> I wish there was another release before the end of this year. Rabid Reindeer.
[15:34] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#Q  suggestions
[15:34] <KrisDouglas> I had to skip Q because that one is rubbish
[15:34] <KrisDouglas> Quail?
[15:35] <popey> Quagga!
[15:35] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: oddly nobody has suggested reindeer for R
[15:35] <KrisDouglas> I <3 reindeer.
[15:35] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#Q
[15:35] <czajkowski> bah
[15:35] <DJones> Quirky Quokka
[15:35] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#R
[15:35] <quagga> yeah! Quagga!
[15:36] <KrisDouglas> Randy Raccoon??
[15:36] <czajkowski> no chinny raccoon :)
[15:36] <czajkowski> as it should be from lugradio
[15:36] <KrisDouglas> R should be roadrunner
[15:37] <czajkowski> KrisDouglas: anyone can add suggestions to the wiki
[15:37] <KrisDouglas> I will, trust me :)
[15:38] <KrisDouglas> Ruthless Ringworm
[15:38] <KrisDouglas> I can't see myself using an OS with that name :)
[15:38] <KrisDouglas> Not that that has any real bearing on it
[15:39] <oimon> i'm going to use beefy miracle even if it's rubbish
[15:40] <gordonjcp> KrisDouglas: that doesn't fit the naming scheme
[15:40] <gordonjcp> since ringworm is a fungal infection rather than actually a worm
[15:42] <KrisDouglas> gordonjcp, foiled.
[15:42] <KrisDouglas> oimon, what is beefy miracle?
[15:42] <oimon> the next defora release Kri
[15:43] <KrisDouglas> sounds like a newborn anal-dwelling buttmonkey.
[15:43] <oimon> fedora
[15:45] <MooDoo> o/ beefy miracle :D
[15:45] <KrisDouglas> What was going though their minds when they thought of that?
[15:45] <MooDoo> http://beefymiracle.org/
[15:45] <MooDoo> hehe we had fun picking that one :d
[15:46] <oimon> it's brilliant
[15:46] <MooDoo> we had it before but it got rejected for previous releases :D
[15:46] <oimon> better than all those poncey names
[15:46] <KrisDouglas> All of the other options that people voted for were rubbish to be fair.
[15:51] <oimon> does chromium have a master password thingy like firefox?
[15:55] <popey> \o/ Jabber
[15:56] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[15:56] <gord> \o/ Jibber \o/
[15:56] <brobostigon> xmmp ?
[15:56] <daubers> \o/ jabber
[15:56] <AlanBell> Quit yo . . .
[15:56] <davmor2> popey: where's czajkowski I'll jab her :D
[15:56] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[15:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: allow me sir, czajkowski jab jab jab jab jab
[15:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: quit your jibber jabber you fool!
[15:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: the irish Mrs T
[15:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: i wouldn't mes..
[15:59] <GrahamIRC> Hi all. Does anyone have any experience of 10Gig nics on Linux?
[16:00] <MooDoo> that's just plain greedy :)
[16:00] <GrahamIRC> haha
[16:00] <daubers> GrahamIRC: In what way?
[16:00] <GrahamIRC> actually I want them so I can do some iPerf testing of 10G links
[16:01] <popey> heh
[16:01] <GrahamIRC> so really just traffic generation
[16:01] <popey> we had them at my last place of work
[16:01]  * daubers has hundreds of them :)
[16:01] <popey> we 'tested' them by rsyncing TB's of data over the wire
[16:01] <daubers> I do something similar
[16:02] <GrahamIRC> what nics did you use and what were your results?
[16:03] <AlanBell> GrahamIRC: no, but I would imagine you want to increase your MTU to get the throughput
[16:03] <daubers> Myricom ones are pretty good, have saturated supermicro ones (1090MB/s or there abouts)
[16:03] <GrahamIRC> I've found some useful info on tuning - RWIN etc - but it's more NIC recommendations I'm looking for
[16:04] <GrahamIRC> from what I've read the Intel ones are not ideal for iPerf type testing
[16:04] <daubers> GrahamIRC: I've always stuck with supermicro (rebranded intel really, but cheaper than intel) or myricoms
[16:04] <[DumB]SGR> mleh, default server connection fail.
[16:04] <GrahamIRC> I seem to be having problems getting to the myricom sute at the mo
[16:05] <daubers> hmmm odd
[16:06] <GrahamIRC> I'm sure it'll reappear at some point!
[16:06] <GrahamIRC> have you used them with RHEL?
[16:06] <daubers> Mostly with Ubuntu, but some of our end users have RHEL stacks with theirs
[16:07] <daubers> I think they had myricoms because they needed SFP+ type connections rather than CX4
[16:07] <GrahamIRC> btw, there's lots of useful info here: http://fasterdata.es.net/
[16:07] <GrahamIRC> yes I do really need SFP+ since these will be test boxes and will be moved around to test differing connections
[16:08] <GrahamIRC> ok, I'll have a dig around the myricoms
[16:08] <daubers> meh, (on the website) I've got a storage box that easily saturates the number of 10GbE cards I can get in the unit
[16:09] <GrahamIRC> what's that?
[16:09] <daubers> 24 SSD's with a funky raid setup. Suprising how many people will buy them for £30-40k
[16:09] <GrahamIRC> :-)
[16:10] <daubers> ran out of client machines when I hit ~6GB/s
[16:10] <GrahamIRC> I've started using SSDs at home and they are definitely QUICK!
[16:10] <MarquessDeBonBon> How quick are they?
[16:10] <MooDoo> mine rocks
[16:11] <GrahamIRC> on asus m/b getting around 300-400MB/sec
[16:12] <GrahamIRC> and pretty much zero seek time which really helps
[16:15] <popey> heh
[16:15] <popey> i have no spinning rust in my machines now
[16:15] <MooDoo> yaya
[16:15] <popey> only servers have them
[16:15] <MooDoo> yay i meant
[16:15] <gord> popey, the water cooling thing work out okay?
[16:16] <popey> no ☹
[16:16] <popey> doesn't fit in my desktop
[16:17] <GrahamIRC> hmm can anyone resolve myricom.com ?
[16:17] <gord> ah that sucks, it didn't fit in my desktop either, but it was crampt in there anyway so i got a new case too
[16:17] <gord> massive corsair thing, really nice, really spacey :)
[16:17] <popey> heh
[16:18] <gord> is it just the fan size?
[16:21] <daubers> gord: You put your computer inside Kevin Spacey?
[16:21] <popey> yeah, its too big for the back of the case
[16:22] <gord> yeah same thing as me, oh well
[16:24] <gord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHi_nsofbhA is very nice if you want a case ;)
[16:32]  * Laney wibbles
[16:32] <Laney> http://open.spotify.com/track/4TPs7jNczGXpjYlc7HHeV7 Christmas song of the day
[17:00] <Azelphur> Hmm, I'm running the Mono version of KeePass and it's really messed up half following my GTK theme
[17:01] <Azelphur> anyone know how I might fix that?
[17:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] SlickPanel 0.02 Released! - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/slickpanel-0-02-released/
[18:21] <awilkins> I need beer. And pizza.
[18:22] <jutnux> I have tea but no food as of yet.
[18:23] <awilkins> Something with pork meatballs and cheese
[18:23] <awilkins> No chance for at least another hour
[18:23] <awilkins> Frowny face.
[18:27] <jutnux> Sucks to be you my friend.
[18:31] <awilkins> Tram-gamble : win, I'll actually get home on time, hooray.
[18:32] <jutnux> You at work awilkins?
[18:32] <awilkins> Commuting home
[18:32] <jutnux> Bus?
[18:32] <jutnux> Or train?
[18:32] <awilkins> Tram, ATM
[18:32] <jutnux> Ah right.
[18:33] <awilkins> Crossing Manchester to next train
[18:34] <jutnux> Ah, take it you have a long commute.
[18:34] <awilkins> 2:20
[18:35] <awilkins> Happily don't do it much anymore.
[18:35] <jutnux> Woahj
[18:35] <jutnux> Woah
[18:35] <jutnux> Lucky you have a laptop though ;)
[18:35] <awilkins> This is my phone.
[18:35] <jutnux> Ah.
[18:36] <awilkins> Not enough space to get the lappy out usually
[18:39]  * popey just commuted home
[18:39] <popey> 10 feet or so
[18:39] <popey> I'm _exhausted_!
[18:40] <mgdm> how are you finding working from home?
[18:40]  * mgdm is almost certain it wouldn't work for him
[18:40] <popey> pretty good
[18:40] <awilkins> 10 feet up a rope would be challenging
[18:40] <popey> i go to the office now and then
[18:41] <awilkins> I'm ok with it too,lall my games are on Windows
[18:41] <awilkins> Well, not *all* my games.
[18:43] <awilkins> Maybe they should just do a panopticon service for home workers - randomly illuminates your webcam light and yu're never sure when they are actually watching :)
[18:45] <awilkins> I work better at home, really. Less distracting than our vast open plan shoutfest of an office.
[18:45] <jutnux> Seeing that I don't have a job can't really comment
[18:45] <jutnux> But I do work quite well at my own desk.
[18:48] <popey> jutnux: looking for work? We're hiring! :D
[18:48] <awilkins> popey: what are the requirements?
[18:48] <popey> depends on the role
[18:48] <popey> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[18:49] <awilkins> (checks mail)
[18:50] <awilkins> Phooey, no response to application for Ubuntu One Windows dev.
[18:50]  * Myrtti sighs
[18:50] <awilkins> The channel with existing devs seems lively
[19:00] <jutnux> popey: A bit too young, probably ;)
[19:04] <jutnux> Enjoying the video though!
[19:05] <awilkins> "At Canonical, we won't imprison you in the basement and feed you on rodent pellets."
[19:06] <jutnux> Good god, installing XP. The shame ;)
[19:07] <mgdm> I did that the other day (in a VM)
[19:08] <awilkins> XP in a VM runs faster than our corporate install of XP on a real machine. Even when the host IS that machine.
[19:09] <jutnux> Hah
[19:09] <jutnux> Presumably they have a load of rubbish on there.
[19:10] <jutnux> I'm doing it in a VM for a friend's mother who's scanner only works in XP.
[19:48] <AlanBell> awilkins: not much basement on a 27th floor office
[20:12] <czajkowski> http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/qa-installing-software-on-linux/
[20:20] <smittix> Evening all
[20:20] <smittix> Any wordpress users here?
[20:21] <Darael> !anyone | smittix
[20:21] <smittix> meh
[20:22] <Darael> Incidentally, I have a blog on wp.com as a gap-fill measure until I can get my ex-laptop server (where my wp.org install is hosted) back up, when I return to the UK.
[20:23] <smittix> Was wondering if anyone here used any auto post to twitter plugins? I have tried two but they won't work even though they supposedly support 0auth.
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> smittix: did you do the oauth dance?
[20:24] <HOHOHaney> did you know that you can't donate blood if you've been to the states in the preceding 28 days
[20:24] <HOHOHaney> i now do
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> (click from your site to twitter and back with twitter asking for a password)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> HOHOHaney: Just in case you picked up Americanism
[20:25] <smittix> Yeah.
[20:47] <HOHOHaney> MartijnVdS: west nile virus apparently
[20:47] <HOHOHaney> also this stupid nick doesn't have hilights
[21:17]  * Myrtti drools
[21:17] <Myrtti> making pearl barley pudding
[21:39] <andyloughran> heylo
[21:39] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[21:39] <jutnux> HELLO
[21:40] <jacobw> syn
[21:41] <mgdm> ack
[21:42] <andyloughran> rst
[21:42] <jacobw> \o/
[21:42] <andyloughran> It's a mini TCP party
[21:44] <daubers> Hmm... new arduino UI is a bit ....... turquoise
[21:44] <jacobw> what are all doing this evening?
[21:44] <andyloughran> I've killed my server
[21:44] <jacobw> whoops
[21:44] <daubers> andyloughran: Shotgun out the back?
[21:44] <andyloughran> been testing out percona
[21:44] <andyloughran> the toolkit in particular
[21:45] <jacobw> andyloughran: perhaps you need a juju charm to revive it :p
[21:45] <andyloughran> it looked pretty good and want to use it for some proper production stuff
[21:45] <andyloughran> anyone else got experience with it?
[21:45] <andyloughran> mysql master->slave
[21:46] <andyloughran> instead of just having the relay logs playing on the slave, you can get the servers to sync (through some clever script work) every X days.. if they're not already in sync (or to see if someone has accidentally written to the slave)
[21:47] <andyloughran> some of the functionality is purely script-based (percona toolkit) but they've also released a mod of MySQL
[21:47] <andyloughran> I'll take that as a no regards other's experience
[21:47] <andyloughran> or at least those of you awake and reading my </monologue>
[21:53] <andyloughran> not sure if it's quiet tonight or this IRC client is no good.
[21:53] <AlanBell> its oh so quiet
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[21:53] <andyloughran> ah ok
[21:54] <jacobw> are there any gnome/gtk applications for reading epubs?
[22:02] <andyloughran> jacobw: not that I can help you with
[22:17] <AlanBell> jacobw: apt-cache search epub
[22:18] <AlanBell> calibre is reputed to be good
[22:19] <jacobw> i'm aware of calibre, i plan to use it manage my ebooks
[22:28] <Azelphur> hmm, disk usage analyser is being funny. It says I have a 188.4GB home folder, but the contents add up to nowhere near that. The ring chart is actually only 50% of a ring
[22:28] <Azelphur> what is this madness
[22:30] <andyloughran> weird
[22:31] <dwatkins> Azelphur: hidden files?
[22:32] <Azelphur> dwatkins: seems like it's managing to read hidden files fine, maybe it's a permissions thing
[22:33] <dwatkins> ah yes, I'd check with 'du' to be sure where the space is used.
[22:33] <AlanBell> gvfs as well can confuse it
[22:33] <jacobw> is it confused by soft/hard links?
[22:33] <Azelphur> looks like it isn't showing files in the directoy
[22:34] <Azelphur> directory*
[22:34] <Azelphur> it's just showing folder sizes
[22:34] <jacobw> afaik its only supposed to show directories
[22:34] <Azelphur> that's kinda silly :P
[22:59] <Azelphur> I love the way that Siri sneakily avoids the question when you ask it where it was made
[22:59] <Azelphur> and replies with "I was designed in California by Apple"
[23:01] <jacobw> can it do a 'portal' voice?
[23:01] <Azelphur> xD
[23:04] <popey> the uk version is female
[23:04] <popey> or is it
[23:04] <popey> no, other way round
[23:05] <popey> I never use it
[23:13] <shauno> it's a male voice in the UK .. but the only way to change voices, is to change localization :/
[23:14] <popey> yeah
[23:16] <shauno> hm, lucid wants to update grub again.  last time I let it touch grub, I was left unbootable :/
[23:16] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSH6JgAQb14
[23:18] <popey> you should hear that in the uk voice
[23:18] <popey> very odd
[23:25] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/daisy.ogg
[23:28] <jacobw> lol
[23:38] <Myrtti> popey: did I just hear you mutter under your breath :-D in the end of the recording
[23:38] <Myrtti> ahhahahahahahahahhaa
[23:38] <Myrtti> :-D
[23:39] <Myrtti> naughty popey. tut-tut
[23:47] <Azelphur> popey / Myrtti / jacobw android version of that http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202011/singmeasong.ogg
[23:47] <Azelphur> it's just like...what
[23:48] <Azelphur> I think it's singing in Chinese or something haha
[23:50] <shauno> that was .. rather unexpected
[23:51] <Azelphur> haha
[23:52] <shauno> and yeah .. daisy sounds really wrong with the 'daniel' voice
[23:57] <Seeker`> uk siri voice is the announcer on weakest link
[23:58] <shauno> I haven't even looked at upgrading yet.  I've got an awful feeling I'd end up having to use the US voiceset
[23:59] <Azelphur> shauno: you know Siri just uploads the ogg to a remote server, and you can do the same thing on pretty much any phone? :D
[23:59] <shauno> yeah