[00:06] ok....sorry, I have another question..... [00:06] On OpenShot, how do you add bullet points to animate into the pictures you are setting up in the timeline? [00:22] Thanks all and good night!! [00:24] ●◎○ [00:24] bullets === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY [06:37] Good morning everyone [07:00] hi knightwise [07:07] how are you today [08:09] Bloke here on train with about 5,000 lines of C# in one file >_< [08:09] awilkins: as long as it's not in one function... [08:11] No, not that bad. [08:12] Can't really read it discretely across the aisle. He has a Thinkpad, that engenders a certain degree of respect. [08:12] We're going Dell for our workstation class laptops, apparently. [08:13] just awkwardly cough *cough* I use patent-encumbered Mono *cough* [08:14] I like C# as a language, not sure how I feel about the patent thing. [08:15] On the one hand I think it's really unlikely that MS will brave the wrath of the EU by suing someone for using Mono. [08:16] On the other, I'm mostly a Java coder these days... [08:21] morning all o/ [08:21] \o [08:22] * AlanBell dabbles in all languages, but not c# so far, never come across it [08:23] python, php, java, javascript normally [08:24] Perl for work, Python at home. Java when I try my hand at Android apps. [08:24] And C# when Banshee breaks [08:25] oh and javascript at work [08:25] I use kill -9 when banshee breaks [08:26] AlanBell: sure, but my banshee breaks in interesting ways [08:26] AlanBell: it doesn't recognise my phone, for example [08:26] so I added some logging [08:26] Banshee usually kills itself.. [08:26] and I found out it doesn't even try [08:30] Not sure about all the new bits of C# sine 2.0 [08:31] I don't know anything about C# other than "If I type this and recompile, new stuff gets logged" [08:32] copy/paste trickery [08:36] some languages like to sprinkle semicolons everywhere, others don't. [08:36] that is all you need to know about programming [08:50] Morning [08:51] morning [08:51] AlanBell: also, {} vs spaces [08:55] TheOpenSourcerer: christmas tree chap just phoned me back to confirm [08:55] Thanks - I booked too the other day. [08:55] Same place and time [08:58] moring all [09:03] Mooring, MooDoo [09:04] hello MartijnVdS [09:13] Morning all [09:16] morning [09:21] * daubers needs stronger coffee [09:22] and the postman to bring his components he ordered [09:22] and a book on grammar [09:23] eats shoots and leaves [09:23] * AlanBell wonders if there is an excuse to go to London this afternoon [09:24] AlanBell: London Eye? [09:24] something more businesslike :) [09:33] I can't believe it's that time already, but Happy December everyone! :) [09:34] Morning peeps [09:35] bigcalm: o/ [09:39] http://www.t3.com/news/apple-employee-fired-for-facebook-rant [09:48] oimon: I saw that a few days ago, apparently Apple employees aren't allowed to say anything detrimental about Apple [09:48] it's funny, i'm re-reading 1984 atm .. [09:48] it was only a boy cursing his phone [09:54] oimon: detremental to the companies image....personally i would of decked the person who grassed [09:54] bah [09:54] lug.org.uk is down [09:54] you broke it popey ? [09:54] no [10:10] jnick_tait: Hi! o/ [10:11] JamesTait: hello [10:11] AlanBell: I'm tempted to goto the science museum for the robot exhibition [10:13] Nice to see a fellow Tait around. :) [10:15] if only we had an Alan Tait [10:15] or tait modern [10:15] gord: I thought we'd already exceeded our Alan Quota [10:15] there is no quota [10:16] My dad's middle name is Alan. [10:16] we have enough for them to spoil any and all broths [10:16] Not quite the same. [10:16] gord: we also need a titfur [10:17] JamesTait: the cool thing is that my first name is James too [10:17] arrrrrrrrrrrr two james taits? [10:17] AlanBell: Because all Alans are one? [10:17] jnick_tait: Let the world cower in fear. :) [10:17] :-) [10:31] oh right [10:31] happy mailman day! [10:32] oh no :( [10:32] lol [10:38] my ubuntu10.10 is getting real slow :( after opening a terminal window it takes about 30 seconds before the prompt shows [10:38] dogmatic69: what does "top" say? is something running at 100% CPU? [10:39] i just rebooted and load average is 10 [10:39] chrome is 50% [10:40] try latencytop [10:41] I have given up on chrome, seems to slow everything down [10:41] j0nr: at least it's not firefox [10:41] MartijnVdS: installed that, what am i looking for? [10:42] dogmatic69: the top of the screen -- apps doing massive amounts of i/o [10:42] MartijnVdS: Well running Firefox things don't seem to slow down [10:42] fsync 750ms [10:42] dogmatic69: yes that's the call.. but it should be telling you which process is doing that [10:43] can anyone think of a reason why postgres might fail to support TLS when connected to from a particular IP address? [10:43] if i click fsync, it has jbd2_log_wait_commit ext4_sync_file vfs_fsync_range etc [10:43] AlanBell: pg_hba.conf not having "ssl" in the entry for that host? [10:43] dogmatic69: _click_?> [10:43] dogmatic69: latencytop isn't a gui app [10:43] :O [10:44] MartijnVdS: sudo apt-get install latencytop, then ran 'latencytop' and it complained about sudo, so 'sudo latencytop' which opened up a little window [10:45] AlanBell: does the ip in the cert match the hostname of the calling server? [10:45] dogmatic69: strange [10:45] * MartijnVdS tries [10:45] AlanBell: just read that from the net... [10:45] MooDoo: no certs, anonymous TLS [10:45] MartijnVdS: it does not look like the screenie here http://www.latencytop.org/ [10:46] dogmatic69: hey it's graphical now [10:46] dogmatic69: Check the "targets" list [10:46] hehe [10:46] dogmatic69: which program is at the top? [10:46] global [10:46] then, sendmail [10:46] dogmatic69: sure, that's always on top [10:46] dogmatic69: I guess you have a large sendmail queue? [10:46] dogmatic69: try "mailq" [10:47] 8k [10:47] dogmatic69: 8k? as in 8kb or 8000 mails? [10:47] latter [10:47] dogmatic69: that's waht causing your slowness [10:47] sendmail tries to read/send all those files [10:47] check /var/log/mail.log [10:48] bah [10:48] dogmatic69: you may want to fix that :) [10:48] i think so [10:48] checking the log now [10:48] let me rephrase my question because I am full of fail /o\ [10:49] can anyone think of a reason why post*fix* might fail to support TLS when connected to from a particular IP address? [10:49] AlanBell: because it has a blacklist entry in its configuration? [10:49] MartijnVdS: log is full of Dec 1 10:48:53 ultra-magnus sm-mta[1772]: pASB0MG7026736: to=root, delay=2+23:29:09, xdelay=00:00:00, ... [10:49] dogmatic69: "something" is sending an email [10:49] dogmatic69: probably cron jobs [10:50] dogmatic69: you need to configure (or remove) sendmail, or install a replacement and configure that properly (nullmailer, for example) [10:50] then the mails will end up in YOUR mailbox and you can see what's wrong [10:51] MartijnVdS: my + sudo crontab is empty [10:51] dogmatic69: sure, but /etc/cron.d/ isn't (or /etc/cron.daily, etc.) [10:51] dogmatic69: you might be able to look at the email content in /var/spool/ somewhere [10:52] var/spool/mail is empty [10:52] dogmatic69: that's delivered mail [10:53] dogmatic69: I don't know where sendmail stores those files, please look around in /var a bit :) [10:53] ah, it would be empty... hence the problem :D [10:53] dogmatic69: you might be able to fix it by doing dpkg-reconfigure sendmail [10:54] var/spool/mqueue [10:54] dogmatic69: and then selecting "Local delivery only" [10:55] sudo dpkg-reconfigure sendmail- [10:55] sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf [10:55] which one? [11:06] omg i'm so sick of support right now :D lol [11:06] MartijnVdS: not figured out the config yet, but its much better now [11:22] golly. john lewis sell chromebooks now http://www.johnlewis.com/Chromebooks/Chromebooks/Chromebooks/SubCategory.aspx [11:23] oooo yeah, 299 for the basic one :) [11:24] popey: i didn't have the same experience as you with mint - i get ubuntu security updates i think [11:24] heh, i like that "Login" is one of the things they eliminated to increase how fast you "get to the web" [11:25] haven't heard about chrome for a while [11:26] morning all [11:26] good morning everyone, [11:33] oimon: you do get them, but mint recommend you dont install them [11:34] Definition of a hard drive according to the john lewis website "Built in memory used for storing your audio and video files etc" [11:34] I guess its right in its simplest form [11:40] * AlanBell slaps CISCO firewalls very very hard [11:40] Interesting recruitment method http://www.canyoucrackit.co.uk/ [11:41] Linked from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15968878 [11:41] thats one for ali1234 & AlanBell ☺ [11:41] * davmor2 lends AlanBell one of his WORK YOU *ADD EXPLETIVE* Mallets if you're going to do a job don't do it half hearted hit it with this :) [11:42] it intercepts and interfers with SMTP traffic [11:42] anyone here good with the suits? [11:42] popey: i think i broke the canonical recruitment page :/ [11:42] strips out STARTTLS from the server response amongst other stuff [11:43] heh [11:43] popey: precisely [11:43] AlanBell: who needs privacy! [11:45] we just spent 2 hours tracing this thing with telnet to port 25 [11:51] Are there any sites you know of where I can find out how to build a compact, low power, fanless pc? I saw on youtube a guy made one from an Intel Desktop Board with an atom processor to run Ubuntu on was all [11:51] kvarley: there aren't many sites that teach you that one specific thing [11:51] it's just "building a PC" while buying the least noisy parts :) [11:51] I'm using a mini-itx board which is fanless [11:53] iclebyte: what's your question? [11:53] occupy64k: What CPU and case do you have? [11:54] It's an atom CPU. The motherboard is Intel D525MW [11:54] And I'm running off of a USB thumb drive, so no hard disk [11:54] kvarley: why do you want to build one, why not just buy one? [11:55] The case is, well, "home made" [11:55] Welded sheets of iron? [11:55] popey: The few ones I looked at were the cost of a gaming rig for an eighth of the power [11:55] Almost [11:56] kvarley: whats it going to be used for? [11:56] popey: Web browsing / Instant Messaging / Playing video [11:56] I realise that if I want passively cooled I will likely have to sacrifice the video playing part [11:57] nah [11:57] recent CPUs (and GPUs) come with built-in H.264 decoders [11:57] so even 1080p should be possible [11:58] =] [11:58] kvarley: get a revo? [11:58] revos do have fans but they generally only kick in when the GPU is in heavy use [11:58] (I have two on my desk here, they're by no means noisy [11:59] popey: But they do have fans? [11:59] it has a fan on the gpu [11:59] a tiny one [11:59] hhmm [11:59] You're running Ubuntu on them? [11:59] http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/105218_inside.jpg [11:59] yes [12:00] my mum has one as her desktop pc [12:00] she basically does email, facebook, youtube [12:00] Ah yes, I recall mumbuntu from the uupc =] [12:01] I have a revo on my desk that acts as my web dev server, fan only kicks in when it needs to do heavy number crunching [12:02] popey & bigcalm: What model of revo do you have? [12:02] Bother, 128gb ssd are still expensive [12:02] r3600 [12:02] sa,e [12:02] *same [12:02] 3 of them [12:02] popey & bigcalm: Thanks [12:02] popey: They're good then? ;) [12:02] heh [12:02] I have SSD's in two of them [12:03] Joy, my router has crashed [12:03] and upped to 4GB RAM [12:03] I upgraded to 4gb ram but currently it has a 32bit 10.04.3 on it :( [12:03] Will rectify that with 12.04 next year [12:04] I wonder how it will cope with unity [12:04] guys, is there a command to cat the 27th line of our a file? [12:04] popey & bigcalm: Is the esata port on the back esatap or just esata? (Does it provide power to the hdd or not?) [12:04] Pass [12:04] You'll have to look it up [12:04] dunno [12:05] however I dont think the newer revo has esata at all [12:05] Aye, our revos are the old versions that I don't think are available any more [12:06] I'll look at various nettops I guess, thanks for the help [12:06] Welcome [12:06] I want a more powerful companion to my RaspberryPi when I get it [12:13] life is a minestrone, and so is my lunch [12:13] anyone else had update-apt-xapi making ubuntu 11.10 vista-like? [12:14] i terms of unusable performance [12:16] oimon, i had that problem, many years ago, didnt figure out why, not seen it recently. [12:17] * davmor2 saw the mine part of AlanBell's last message and thought Oh God even AlanBell is talking about life and MineCraft now :) [12:18] brobostigon: which distro you runnign right now? [12:18] davmor2: there's only one minecraft....ONE MINECRAFT [12:19] oimon, debian sid + experimental. [12:19] DE? [12:19] oimon, plain gnome3 with gnome-shell. [12:20] + gnome shell extensions? [12:20] no. [12:21] have you tried them? [12:21] no. [12:21] oimon, are you refferring to mint extensions? [12:21] MooDoo: You say that but there is MineCraft Mobile too :P [12:21] mints* [12:22] yes, i think so, however they are installable in deb/ubuntu [12:22] (of course) [12:22] oimon, in which case, no, i havent tried them, and there is dicussion about packaging them into debian. [12:23] they make gnome shell usable :) [12:23] oimon, i am happy, how gnoome-shell is now, for the most part, there are sopme niggly issues, but nothing hugely major, for me. [12:24] i cannot get over the number of clicks required to do anything in the default shell# [12:25] oimon, i do very little clicking, i do most stuff from my keyboard. [12:25] +1 [12:25] keyboard > mouse [12:26] just me still using the mouse then [12:26] davmor2: me too [12:27] oimon: that one reason I prefer Unity over gnomeshell all the apps down the side that I need 1 click [12:27] mouse shuffle then click [12:35] popey & bigcalm: The revo looks remarkably good. Quiet, powerful, loads of useful ports and stuff. = [12:35] i should get another revo, its been a few months since i have bought one [12:36] gord: Haha, addicted to buying revos? [12:36] is there a site where Ican do excerices involving linux commands [12:36] Still pondering replacing my parents' Viglen MPC-L with a Revo. Maybe get myself a newer one [12:43] brobostigon: the window list extension is a bit ugly looking, hopefully that can be tarted up. oh look, there's update-apt-xapian-index eating my machine http://i.imgur.com/omnGn.png [12:47] oimon, ah, let me look. i am familier with what update-apt-xapian can do. :) [12:47] i think it happens because i was dual booting [12:48] when i boot back into ubuntu it shags it for the first 15 mins [12:48] Afternoon all [12:48] because i hadn't booted into 11.10 for a while [12:48] need to renice it lower i guess [12:50] stuff that is set to run ASAP after boot like that is not friendly to the user, and rather windows-ish [12:52] pretty sure update manager doesnt run right after boot [12:52] it has a built in delay of some minutes, so it doesn't punch you in the face after boot [12:56] mine used to pop up at the exact same time each day, then it stopped doing that, now it's random [12:58] it's seizing up a system that used to be OK with earlier releases. what is it actually doing? [13:00] Does anybody use the lovefilm service? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/01/lovefilm_dumps_flash/ Moving to MS Silverlight [13:03] silverlight was dropped by MS [13:03] sure ive read something like thtat [13:03] i use it, but via the ps3 [13:03] dogmatic69: I've seen reports of rumours its going to be dropped, don't think its been confirmed [13:04] dogmatic69: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/microsoft_killing_silverlight_rumours/ [13:04] they have confirmed that they are concentrating on HTML5 [13:04] which is tantamount to the same thing [13:04] would have thought silverlight was a very peculiar decision [13:04] for love film [13:05] microsoft is a biiiiiiiiig company, the left hand saying they are concentrating on HTML5 does not mean that the right hand is also doing that [13:06] * chrisjrob nods [13:06] true [13:08] but their default browser will probably not support it [13:08] metro IE [13:09] tbh it is almost immaterial whether they kill it or not - HTML5 will win by being better, it'll just take time [13:09] anyone got any pointers on tracking down suspend problems in 11.10? [13:10] i don't think html5 is in a state where it is "better", however, it is more accessible, coming by default in modern browsers and phones [13:10] and doesn't need plugins [13:10] especially audio in html5, which is damn near awful [13:11] i have tried implementing video in HTML5 and it's a bit basic and not universally supported [13:11] gord: I think the advantage comes from the fact that you don't have to refactor all of you code to work on different platforms it just magically works [13:12] davmor2, with html5? ehhhh, you'll always need (if browser == "browser_that_thinks_its_special) { do_different_thing() }) [13:12] less so these days [13:13] in fact quite surprisingly good in IE these days [13:13] gord: yeah but it's a minor code change rather than a complete code rewrite to work with flash or silverlight or ...... [13:13] Dart might make that kind of stuff less annoying, though honestly no one is going to use Dart [13:15] davmor2, remind me, next thurs at the lighthouse right? [13:19] Yeah, during my week off! [13:21] silverlight is on its deathbed [13:21] but the big studios want moar DRMs [13:22] just you wait for DRM-enabled