| snap-l | Evening again. | 00:21 |
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| snap-l | http://brainacle.com/how-to-write-vim-plugins-with-python.html | 02:14 |
| snap-l | http://items.sjbach.com/97/writing-a-vim-plugin | 02:15 |
| snap-l | Bah, I wish these articles didn't peter out before actually showing something useful | 02:16 |
| snap-l | Heading to reddit != useful | 02:16 |
| Blazeix | this one isn't bad: http://orestis.gr/blog/2008/08/10/scripting-vim-with-python/ | 02:17 |
| Blazeix | though it looks pretty hard to do simple things | 02:17 |
| rick_h_ | there's a book in progress, let me find it | 03:16 |
| rick_h_ | http://learnvimscriptthehardway.stevelosh.com/ | 03:17 |
| Blazeix | yeah, I was commenting on my dislike of vimscript, when widox and snap-l mentioned pythoning it up. | 03:26 |
| Blazeix | whenever i modify an existing vim plugin, I can never tell if my lack of vimscript knowledge is holding me back, or if the original author wrote terrible code. | 03:28 |
| rick_h_ | heh, both | 03:29 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, rotten wireless here | 03:42 |
| rick_h_ | how was CHC? | 03:42 |
| Blazeix | pretty good. just snap-l, widox and me, and I was about an hour late. | 03:42 |
| Blazeix | got to see snap-l's new tablet | 03:43 |
| rick_h_ | oh yea? shiny? | 03:46 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's purdy. | 04:05 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 04:06 |
| derekv | what is it the happen? | 04:18 |
| snap-l | derekv: Pardon? | 04:26 |
| derekv | cute way of asking whats up. | 04:27 |
| greg-g | qué paso? | 04:30 |
| rick_h_ | morning party people | 13:37 |
| jjesse | morning rick_h_ | 13:37 |
| brousch | in the place to be | 13:39 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | Morning from the U.P. ahe | 13:56 |
| brousch | how much snow you have? | 13:59 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | just a trace this morning | 14:06 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | a bit of ice on the pond tho | 14:06 |
| brousch | is that what you call lake superior? | 14:06 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | well its lake huron on my side .. | 14:22 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 14:34 |
| snap-l | Sounds like a 1970s folk song: Lake Huron By My Side. | 14:34 |
| brousch | google reader has a slightly different look. now each post is more seperated | 14:47 |
| brousch | an improvement! | 14:47 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: widox https://github.com/mozilla/doctorjs | 15:20 |
| rick_h_ | kind of cool, works a little better | 15:20 |
| rick_h_ | but still not 100% | 15:20 |
| Blazeix | cool | 15:23 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Do you use CTRL_X CTRL-O? | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: it's just ctags | 15:29 |
| rick_h_ | oh sorry, you mean omni-completion? yea some | 15:29 |
| snap-l | http://youtu.be/U13xOvDa19U <- provided without comment | 16:09 |
| * rick_h_ is scared | 16:09 | |
| rick_h_ | ok, that is scary | 16:10 |
| snap-l | And it works | 16:10 |
| brousch | you want crazy? i'm in kde right now | 16:15 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's not crazy. that's punishment. | 16:16 |
| snap-l | and waiting to be in KDE is masochistic. | 16:16 |
| brousch | it's fugly, but its behavior is more gnome2-like than unity or gnome3 | 16:16 |
| snap-l | More human than human. :) | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | the quest for gnome2 continues? | 16:17 |
| brousch | gnome shell quirks have annoyed me the last 2 days | 16:17 |
| brousch | and unity quirks are still annoying | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | lol, so much for he great gnome shell | 16:18 |
| brousch | well, it's still less annoying than unity | 16:18 |
| * snap-l doesn't have as much trouble with Unity. | 16:18 | |
| brousch | i don't like how it dynamically adds desktops | 16:19 |
| snap-l | eh? | 16:19 |
| brousch | and the notification thing is buggy | 16:19 |
| * snap-l is still on 11.04 on his desktop, though | 16:19 | |
| snap-l | The laptop is running 11.10 | 16:19 |
| brousch | gnome shell gives you 1 desktop more than what you're using, so if the only program on desktop 2 crashes, desktop 3 becomes desktop 2 | 16:20 |
| snap-l | Oh, that's Gnome Shell | 16:20 |
| snap-l | Well, of course it is, because it's Gnome Shell | 16:20 |
| snap-l | it knows better than you what you want to do | 16:20 |
| brousch | since i always have the same thing on desktop 1,2,3 i have to rejigger my programs whenever one closes | 16:20 |
| brousch | and i can't park banshee on desktop 10 | 16:21 |
| snap-l | Why the fuck would you have 10 desktops? | 16:21 |
| * snap-l can barely manage two | 16:21 | |
| brousch | i always have 4 | 16:21 |
| snap-l | Oh, right, because gnome shell did away with Minimize, didn't it? | 16:21 |
| snap-l | because nobody ever shuffles things off their desk, ever. | 16:22 |
| brousch | #1 work web browser with email, calendar, etc; #2 personal web browser with email calendar, etc; #3 pidgin; #4-9 actual work; #10 music | 16:22 |
| snap-l | That's your problem right there | 16:22 |
| snap-l | expecting to do actual work. | 16:22 |
| Blazeix | when i was playing with gnome shell i had stationary things like email and music on #1 and #2 | 16:22 |
| Blazeix | that way I was fine with the dynamic workspaces being appended on the end | 16:23 |
| brousch | Blazeix: right, but if you close your email program, everything moves up and you have to rejigger your programs to get it right again | 16:23 |
| Blazeix | close your email program? | 16:23 |
| brousch | or it crashes | 16:23 |
| rick_h_ | mutt doesn't crash, what's the matter with you :P | 16:23 |
| Blazeix | ah, yeah, I could see that being annoying if it crashed. I don't think that ever really happened to me though | 16:24 |
| Blazeix | the dynamic workspace thing was annoying, but I could see getting use to it eventually | 16:24 |
| brousch | well with firefox on #1 and chrome on #2, i have crashes once a week probably | 16:24 |
| brousch | the other big annoyance is the notifffication thing in the lower right. it just doesn't work right | 16:25 |
| Blazeix | yeah, that's why I didn't have temporary things like browsers on #1 and #2, it definitely required me changing my patterns | 16:26 |
| brousch | i've had trouble with it in dropbox and banshee | 16:26 |
| snap-l | I want to smack my library sometimes. | 16:26 |
| Blazeix | the notification thing was glitchy for me to | 16:26 |
| snap-l | They literally send out an image filled with text in an e-mail | 16:26 |
| brousch | and it slides up just far enough to be annoying if i have chrome downloads | 16:26 |
| Blazeix | it like to jump up and down and play tag with my cursor | 16:26 |
| Blazeix | s/like/likes/ | 16:26 |
| snap-l | http://library.booksite.com/5460/nl/?list=CNL9&preview=1 | 16:26 |
| brousch | snap-l: hah, that's how my doctor friend had his web site until i beat him about the head for a month | 16:27 |
| brousch | anyways, i am disgruntled | 16:28 |
| brousch | so now my eyes hurt from kde's theme | 16:28 |
| brousch | but i have 10 desktops and stuff is not moving around, and notification area looks good and works, and my menus are where they're supposed to be | 16:30 |
| brousch | does http://opendesktop.org work for anyone else? | 16:32 |
| snap-l | Appears to work over here. | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | works here on this sucky hotel wifi | 16:34 |
| brousch | hm | 16:34 |
| Blazeix | it's detecting you're running KDE, so it knows you don't care about how your desktop looks | 16:36 |
| brousch | i wonder how irritated i would have to become to want to try one of your goofball tiling window managers | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | lol, come to the dark side | 16:39 |
| rick_h_ | I wonder if greg-g is still experimenting or gave up | 16:39 |
| Blazeix | if you're like me, not very irritated. I was in fluxbox land, and a friend said, "switch to Awesome," so I did. | 16:39 |
| rick_h_ | ok, fubar this. mifi time. Now if only I was in a 4g area ugh | 16:43 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: If someone told you to jump off a bridge, would you? | 16:46 |
| snap-l | because I'm totally there. :) | 16:46 |
| Blazeix | idk, that same friend has since switched to wmii, and I'm resisting that. | 16:46 |
| Blazeix | maybe if you told me to jump off a bridge while switching to Awesome. | 16:47 |
| snap-l | There you go. :) | 16:47 |
| brousch | ah, found a nice dark theme. apparently kde doesn't have to be painfully ugly, it just is by default | 16:50 |
| snap-l | brousch: ++ | 16:50 |
| brousch | whoa: "Warning: Something's Not Right Here! mail.google.com contains content from www.teefury.com, a site known to distribute malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." | 16:51 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: I'm... uh....... using Unity right now.... :( | 16:55 |
| snap-l | Uh oh, the cult of awesome is shrinking. | 16:56 |
| greg-g | but, if it makes anyone feel any better: I sure do hate Unity | 16:57 |
| snap-l | Why? | 16:58 |
| greg-g | it just handled IM's better (as in, if I'm away from my desk when I get one, I'll know about it via that meMenu or whatever its called) | 16:58 |
| greg-g | better than gnome-shell | 16:58 |
| snap-l | Yeah, the me menu is pretty nice | 16:58 |
| greg-g | why do I hate: alt tab behavior is a major one | 16:58 |
| snap-l | has saved my bacon | 16:58 |
| brousch | greg-g: ug, yes, alt-tab | 16:59 |
| brousch | and middle-click for new window. i don't have middle click! | 17:00 |
| snap-l | Who's fault is that? :) | 17:00 |
| greg-g | but seriously, why the fuck did they fuck with alt-tab? I haven't seen ANY reasoning that this is in any way better | 17:00 |
| brousch | dell's? | 17:00 |
| rick_h_ | yea, get a real machine :P (thinkpad ftw) | 17:00 |
| brousch | steve jobs the genius says i need 1 button. unity says i need 3 | 17:01 |
| greg-g | wait, brousch , middle click for new window? where? | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | middle click on the icon in the sidebar thingy right? | 17:05 |
| brousch | yeah | 17:06 |
| brousch | for a new window of a program already running | 17:06 |
| greg-g | ah | 17:06 |
| greg-g | gotcha | 17:06 |
| greg-g | ctrl+n not good enough for ya? | 17:06 |
| brousch | no | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | nothing is good enough for brousch, can't you tell? | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 17:06 |
| brousch | then i have to move the window where i want it | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | but middle click has magical mind reading location properties? | 17:07 |
| brousch | yes, because i go to the desktop i want it on, then make a new window | 17:07 |
| greg-g | ah | 17:07 |
| brousch | otherwise i have to fgo to the desktop where the program is running, make a new window, then move it to the desktop i want it on | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | if you used awesome you'd just move it to the right desktop with a quick shortcut like win-shift-4 | 17:09 |
| rick_h_ | is there nothing like that in unity? | 17:09 |
| brousch | any shortcut where i have to click more than <mod>+<key> is very annoying | 17:09 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I've got a couple that use shift I've trained myself for. | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | rather that than getting arrow keys or fn keys and other out of reach keys | 17:10 |
| brousch | so in my gnome2 workflow, i switch to desktop 4 with alt+4 then click the icon of firefox/gedit/terminal/whatever and blammo i have a new window where i want it | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | so for me that's "meta-4" "ctrl-space" "fire<enter>" | 17:13 |
| brousch | right, i'm not as keyboardy as you | 17:14 |
| brousch | much of the time i keep my left hand on the keyboard and right on the mouse | 17:15 |
| brousch | or touchpad or whatever | 17:15 |
| brousch | nipple | 17:15 |
| snap-l | You can right-click on the titlebar to move it to a window | 17:21 |
| snap-l | Works under Gnome 2 or Unity | 17:21 |
| snap-l | I wish that multi-monitor worke that way. | 17:22 |
| * snap-l did not know about the middle mouse button trick, though | 17:23 | |
| snap-l | Though I just found that by holding shift along with the meta key, it'll open a new window. | 17:24 |
| snap-l | That's handy. | 17:24 |
| brousch | ah, got KDE panels set up just like good old gnome2 | 19:29 |
| snap-l | screenshot, or it didn't happen | 19:29 |
| brousch | and an inoffensive color scheme | 19:29 |
| brousch | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot1.png | 19:31 |
| snap-l | What's the bottom bar for? | 19:32 |
| brousch | doh, forgot | 19:33 |
| jjesse | brousch, nice shiny kde :) | 19:35 |
| brousch | here we go, fixed the task manager position and added system monitor. oh how i missed system monitor in my panel http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot3.png | 19:40 |
| snap-l | http://decafbad.net/2011/12/01/spam-patterns/ | 19:44 |
| snap-l | I never got into the system monitors on the top bar | 19:44 |
| brousch | i love them | 19:45 |
| brousch | now i need to figure out these floating desktop thingies | 19:46 |
| brousch | and wtf an activity is | 19:47 |
| jjesse | no one knows what an activity is :) | 19:47 |
| jjesse | you can multiple desktops and multiple activities | 19:47 |
| jjesse | from my understanding :) | 19:48 |
| krondor | jjesse: activity == workspace but with per workspace settings | 19:49 |
| krondor | you can have multiple desktops with multiple activities per use yes | 19:49 |
| jjesse | thanks | 19:49 |
| jjesse | i find them a bit silly? | 19:50 |
| krondor | I only use like 2 or 3 activities. Dev, Browsing, and Social. | 19:50 |
| krondor | it's more for people that are hardcore workflow types, they need per desktop tuning for their day or something. | 19:51 |
| krondor | very power desktop user settings | 19:51 |
| brousch | interesting | 19:52 |
| brousch | so instead of crippling virtual desktops kde gives you even more flexible ones? | 19:52 |
| snap-l | Sounds like something that demos well, and is never used again. | 19:52 |
| snap-l | like desktop cubes | 19:53 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:54 |
| brousch | i hate that cube | 19:55 |
| jjesse | my son just told me "daddy i want you to stop saying words to me" | 19:58 |
| jjesse | i laughed | 19:58 |
| krondor | snap-l: yeah it's nifty, but I'm just not into tuned desktops to that level. | 20:01 |
| _stink_ | jjesse: hah awesome | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | ours tells my wife and i to stop talking sometimes. | 20:02 |
| krondor | speaking of Compiz, I absolutely love the app switcher in Unity. | 20:02 |
| brousch | jjesse: that's how you know your lecture has been effective | 20:06 |
| brousch | i've never gotten to that point | 20:06 |
| brousch | app switcher? | 20:06 |
| jjesse | brousch, hopefully it was :) | 20:06 |
| krondor | alt-tab | 20:06 |
| brousch | kubuntu has kind of a cool one | 20:07 |
| brousch | hey, dolphin's not bad | 20:21 |
| brousch | i don;t think this existed last time i really used kde (2007,2008) | 20:22 |
| krondor | brousch: yeah dolphin finally feels like it can replace konq as of like 4.6 or 4.7. | 20:22 |
| brousch | so how many people in here are using kde? | 20:23 |
| * jjesse raises hand | 20:23 | |
| brousch | there may be more using kde than unity | 20:24 |
| krondor | I alternate between kde and unity now. I need to play with gnome3/shell though. | 20:24 |
| brousch | what's this window floating on my desktop called? | 20:25 |
| brousch | desktop folder | 20:26 |
| krondor | folder view widget | 20:26 |
| jjesse | that's an applet or widget | 20:26 |
| jjesse | the desktop folder | 20:26 |
| jjesse | you can select which folder to display | 20:26 |
| jjesse | and interact w/ files right there (if you want) | 20:26 |
| jjesse | i like to change mine to my home directory | 20:26 |
| brousch | obviously i need to read jjesse's book | 20:27 |
| jjesse | hahah | 20:28 |
| jjesse | it actually go too light on KDE/Kubuntu there was so much to cover and i had so little space | 20:28 |
| krondor | brousch lol you should have made the hike to lugwash I just showed them kde a few weeks back | 20:28 |
| krondor | I am obviously doing something wrong here.. rsyslog will not send logs to my remote syslogd :| | 20:29 |
| brousch | only 3 clock widgets? what is kde coming to? | 20:31 |
| krondor | ah nevermind I'm an idiot, tcpdump port s/524/514/ and I see the traffic lol. | 20:33 |
| brousch | rick_h_: Are you a manly muppet or a muppet of a man? | 23:38 |
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