[00:21] <snap-l> Evening again.
[02:14] <snap-l> http://brainacle.com/how-to-write-vim-plugins-with-python.html
[02:15] <snap-l> http://items.sjbach.com/97/writing-a-vim-plugin
[02:16] <snap-l> Bah, I wish these articles didn't peter out before actually showing something useful
[02:16] <snap-l> Heading to reddit != useful
[02:17] <Blazeix> this one isn't bad: http://orestis.gr/blog/2008/08/10/scripting-vim-with-python/
[02:17] <Blazeix> though it looks pretty hard to do simple things
[03:16] <rick_h_> there's a book in progress, let me find it
[03:17] <rick_h_> http://learnvimscriptthehardway.stevelosh.com/
[03:26] <Blazeix> yeah, I was commenting on my dislike of vimscript, when widox and snap-l mentioned pythoning it up.
[03:28] <Blazeix> whenever i modify an existing vim plugin, I can never tell if my lack of vimscript knowledge is holding me back, or if the original author wrote terrible code.
[03:29] <rick_h_> heh, both
[03:42] <rick_h_> ugh, rotten wireless here
[03:42] <rick_h_> how was CHC?
[03:42] <Blazeix> pretty good. just snap-l, widox and me, and I was about an hour late.
[03:43] <Blazeix> got to see snap-l's new tablet
[03:46] <rick_h_> oh yea? shiny?
[04:05] <snap-l> Yeah, it's purdy.
[04:06] <rick_h_> lol
[04:18] <derekv> what is it the happen?
[04:26] <snap-l> derekv: Pardon?
[04:27] <derekv> cute way of asking whats up.
[04:30] <greg-g> qué paso?
[13:37] <rick_h_> morning party people
[13:37] <jjesse> morning rick_h_
[13:39] <brousch> in the place to be
[13:56] <mydogsnameisrudy> Morning from the U.P. ahe
[13:59] <brousch> how much snow you have?
[14:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> just a trace this morning
[14:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> a bit of ice on the pond tho
[14:06] <brousch> is that what you call lake superior?
[14:22] <mydogsnameisrudy> well its lake huron on my side ..
[14:34] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:34] <snap-l> Sounds like a 1970s folk song: Lake Huron By My Side.
[14:47] <brousch> google reader has a slightly different look. now each post is more seperated
[14:47] <brousch> an improvement!
[15:20] <rick_h_> Blazeix: widox https://github.com/mozilla/doctorjs
[15:20] <rick_h_> kind of cool, works a little better
[15:20] <rick_h_> but still not 100%
[15:23] <Blazeix> cool
[15:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: Do you use CTRL_X CTRL-O?
[15:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: it's just ctags
[15:29] <rick_h_> oh sorry, you mean omni-completion? yea some
[16:09] <snap-l> http://youtu.be/U13xOvDa19U <- provided without comment
[16:09]  * rick_h_ is scared
[16:10] <rick_h_> ok, that is scary
[16:10] <snap-l> And it works
[16:15] <brousch> you want crazy? i'm in kde right now
[16:16] <snap-l> brousch: That's not crazy. that's punishment.
[16:16] <snap-l> and waiting to be in KDE is masochistic.
[16:16] <brousch> it's fugly, but its behavior is more gnome2-like than unity or gnome3
[16:16] <snap-l> More human than human. :)
[16:17] <rick_h_> the quest for gnome2 continues?
[16:17] <brousch> gnome shell quirks have annoyed me the last 2 days
[16:17] <brousch> and unity quirks are still annoying
[16:18] <rick_h_> lol, so much for he great gnome shell
[16:18] <brousch> well, it's still less annoying than unity
[16:18]  * snap-l doesn't have as much trouble with Unity.
[16:19] <brousch> i don't like how it dynamically adds desktops
[16:19] <snap-l> eh?
[16:19] <brousch> and the notification thing is buggy
[16:19]  * snap-l is still on 11.04 on his desktop, though
[16:19] <snap-l> The laptop is running 11.10
[16:20] <brousch> gnome shell gives you 1 desktop more than what you're using, so if the only program on desktop 2 crashes, desktop 3 becomes desktop 2
[16:20] <snap-l> Oh, that's Gnome Shell
[16:20] <snap-l> Well, of course it is, because it's Gnome Shell
[16:20] <snap-l> it knows better than you what you want to do
[16:20] <brousch> since i always have the same thing on desktop 1,2,3 i have to rejigger my programs whenever one closes
[16:21] <brousch> and i can't park banshee on desktop 10
[16:21] <snap-l> Why the fuck would you have 10 desktops?
[16:21]  * snap-l can barely manage two
[16:21] <brousch> i always have 4
[16:21] <snap-l> Oh, right, because gnome shell did away with Minimize, didn't it?
[16:22] <snap-l> because nobody ever shuffles things off their desk, ever.
[16:22] <brousch> #1 work web browser with email, calendar, etc; #2 personal web browser with email calendar, etc; #3 pidgin; #4-9 actual work; #10 music
[16:22] <snap-l> That's your problem right there
[16:22] <snap-l> expecting to do actual work.
[16:22] <Blazeix> when i was playing with gnome shell i had stationary things like email and music on #1 and #2
[16:23] <Blazeix> that way I was fine with the dynamic workspaces being appended on the end
[16:23] <brousch> Blazeix: right, but if you close your email program, everything moves up and you have to rejigger your programs to get it right again
[16:23] <Blazeix> close your email program?
[16:23] <brousch> or it crashes
[16:23] <rick_h_> mutt doesn't crash, what's the matter with you :P
[16:24] <Blazeix> ah, yeah, I could see that being annoying if it crashed. I don't think that ever really happened to me though
[16:24] <Blazeix> the dynamic workspace thing was annoying, but I could see getting use to it eventually
[16:24] <brousch> well with firefox on #1 and chrome on #2, i have crashes once a week probably
[16:25] <brousch> the other big annoyance is the notifffication thing in the lower right. it just doesn't work right
[16:26] <Blazeix> yeah, that's why I didn't have temporary things like browsers on #1 and #2, it definitely required me changing my patterns
[16:26] <brousch> i've had trouble with it in dropbox and banshee
[16:26] <snap-l> I want to smack my library sometimes.
[16:26] <Blazeix> the notification thing was glitchy for me to
[16:26] <snap-l> They literally send out an image filled with text in an e-mail
[16:26] <brousch> and it slides up just far enough to be annoying if i have chrome downloads
[16:26] <Blazeix> it like to jump up and down and play tag with my cursor
[16:26] <Blazeix> s/like/likes/
[16:26] <snap-l> http://library.booksite.com/5460/nl/?list=CNL9&preview=1
[16:27] <brousch> snap-l: hah, that's how my doctor friend had his web site until i beat him about the head for a month
[16:28] <brousch> anyways, i am disgruntled
[16:28] <brousch> so now my eyes hurt from kde's theme
[16:30] <brousch> but i have 10 desktops and stuff is not moving around, and notification area looks good and works, and my menus are where they're supposed to be
[16:32] <brousch> does http://opendesktop.org work for anyone else?
[16:33] <snap-l> Appears to work over here.
[16:34] <rick_h_> works here on this sucky hotel wifi
[16:34] <brousch> hm
[16:36] <Blazeix> it's detecting you're running KDE, so it knows you don't care about how your desktop looks
[16:38] <brousch> i wonder how irritated i would have to become to want to try one of your goofball tiling window managers
[16:39] <rick_h_> lol, come to the dark side
[16:39] <rick_h_> I wonder if greg-g is still experimenting or gave up
[16:39] <Blazeix> if you're like me, not very irritated. I was in fluxbox land, and a friend said, "switch to Awesome," so I did.
[16:43] <rick_h_> ok, fubar this. mifi time. Now if only I was in a 4g area ugh
[16:46] <snap-l> Blazeix: If someone told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
[16:46] <snap-l> because I'm totally there. :)
[16:46] <Blazeix> idk, that same friend has since switched to wmii, and I'm resisting that.
[16:47] <Blazeix> maybe if you told me to jump off a bridge while switching to Awesome.
[16:47] <snap-l> There you go. :)
[16:50] <brousch> ah, found a nice dark theme. apparently kde doesn't have to be painfully ugly, it just is by default
[16:50] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[16:51] <brousch> whoa: "Warning: Something's Not Right Here! mail.google.com contains content from www.teefury.com, a site known to distribute malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site."
[16:55] <greg-g> rick_h_: I'm... uh....... using Unity right now.... :(
[16:56] <snap-l> Uh oh, the cult of awesome is shrinking.
[16:57] <greg-g> but, if it makes anyone feel any better: I sure do hate Unity
[16:58] <snap-l> Why?
[16:58] <greg-g> it just handled IM's better (as in, if I'm away from my desk when I get one, I'll know about it via that meMenu or whatever its called)
[16:58] <greg-g> better than gnome-shell
[16:58] <snap-l> Yeah, the me menu is pretty nice
[16:58] <greg-g> why do I hate: alt tab behavior is a major one
[16:58] <snap-l> has saved my bacon
[16:59] <brousch> greg-g: ug, yes, alt-tab
[17:00] <brousch> and middle-click for new window. i don't have middle click!
[17:00] <snap-l> Who's fault is that? :)
[17:00] <greg-g> but seriously, why the fuck did they fuck with alt-tab? I haven't seen ANY reasoning that this is in any way better
[17:00] <brousch> dell's?
[17:00] <rick_h_> yea, get a real machine :P (thinkpad ftw)
[17:01] <brousch> steve jobs the genius says i need 1 button. unity says i need 3
[17:05] <greg-g> wait, brousch , middle click for new window? where?
[17:05] <rick_h_> middle click on the icon in the sidebar thingy right?
[17:06] <brousch> yeah
[17:06] <brousch> for a new window of a program already running
[17:06] <greg-g> ah
[17:06] <greg-g> gotcha
[17:06] <greg-g> ctrl+n not good enough for ya?
[17:06] <brousch> no
[17:06] <rick_h_> nothing is good enough for brousch, can't you tell?
[17:06] <rick_h_>  :P
[17:06] <brousch> then i have to move the window where i want it
[17:07] <rick_h_> but middle click has magical mind reading location properties?
[17:07] <brousch> yes, because i go to the desktop i want it on, then make a new window
[17:07] <greg-g> ah
[17:07] <brousch> otherwise i have to fgo to the desktop where the program is running, make a new window, then move it to the desktop i want it on
[17:09] <rick_h_> if you used awesome you'd just move it to the right desktop with a quick shortcut like win-shift-4
[17:09] <rick_h_> is there nothing like that in unity?
[17:09] <brousch> any shortcut where i have to click more than <mod>+<key> is very annoying
[17:10] <rick_h_> yea, I've got a couple that use shift I've trained myself for.
[17:10] <rick_h_> rather that than getting arrow keys or fn keys and other out of reach keys
[17:11] <brousch> so in my gnome2 workflow, i switch to desktop 4 with alt+4 then click the icon of firefox/gedit/terminal/whatever and blammo i have a new window where i want it
[17:13] <rick_h_> so for me that's "meta-4" "ctrl-space" "fire<enter>"
[17:14] <brousch> right, i'm not as keyboardy as you
[17:15] <brousch> much of the time i keep my left hand on the keyboard and right on the mouse
[17:15] <brousch> or touchpad or whatever
[17:15] <brousch> nipple
[17:21] <snap-l> You can right-click on the titlebar to move it to a window
[17:21] <snap-l> Works under Gnome 2 or Unity
[17:22] <snap-l> I wish that multi-monitor worke that way.
[17:23]  * snap-l did not know about the middle mouse button trick, though
[17:24] <snap-l> Though I just found that by holding shift along with the meta key, it'll open a new window.
[17:24] <snap-l> That's handy.
[19:29] <brousch> ah, got KDE panels set up just like good old gnome2
[19:29] <snap-l> screenshot, or it didn't happen
[19:29] <brousch> and an inoffensive color scheme
[19:31] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot1.png
[19:32] <snap-l> What's the bottom bar for?
[19:33] <brousch> doh, forgot
[19:35] <jjesse> brousch,  nice shiny kde :)
[19:40] <brousch> here we go, fixed the task manager position and added system monitor. oh how i missed system monitor in my panel http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot3.png
[19:44] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/12/01/spam-patterns/
[19:44] <snap-l> I never got into the system monitors on the top bar
[19:45] <brousch> i love them
[19:46] <brousch> now i need to figure out these floating desktop thingies
[19:47] <brousch> and wtf an activity is
[19:47] <jjesse> no one knows what an activity is :)
[19:47] <jjesse> you can multiple desktops and multiple activities
[19:48] <jjesse> from my understanding :)
[19:49] <krondor> jjesse:  activity == workspace but with per workspace settings
[19:49] <krondor> you can have multiple desktops with multiple activities per use yes
[19:49] <jjesse> thanks
[19:50] <jjesse> i find them a bit silly?
[19:50] <krondor> I only use like 2 or 3 activities.  Dev, Browsing, and Social.
[19:51] <krondor> it's more for people that are hardcore workflow types, they need per desktop tuning for their day or something.
[19:51] <krondor> very power desktop user settings
[19:52] <brousch> interesting
[19:52] <brousch> so instead of crippling virtual desktops kde gives you even more flexible ones?
[19:52] <snap-l> Sounds like something that demos well, and is never used again.
[19:53] <snap-l> like desktop cubes
[19:54] <greg-g> :)
[19:55] <brousch> i hate that cube
[19:58] <jjesse> my son just told me "daddy i want you to stop saying words to me"
[19:58] <jjesse> i laughed
[20:01] <krondor> snap-l:  yeah it's nifty, but I'm just not into tuned desktops to that level.
[20:02] <_stink_> jjesse: hah awesome
[20:02] <_stink_> ours tells my wife and i to stop talking sometimes.
[20:02] <krondor> speaking of Compiz, I absolutely love the app switcher in Unity.
[20:06] <brousch> jjesse: that's how you know your lecture has been effective
[20:06] <brousch> i've never gotten to that point
[20:06] <brousch> app switcher?
[20:06] <jjesse> brousch,  hopefully it was :)
[20:06] <krondor> alt-tab
[20:07] <brousch> kubuntu has kind of a cool one
[20:21] <brousch> hey, dolphin's not bad
[20:22] <brousch> i don;t think this existed last time i really used kde (2007,2008)
[20:22] <krondor> brousch:  yeah dolphin finally feels like it can replace konq as of like 4.6 or 4.7.
[20:23] <brousch> so how many people in here are using kde?
[20:23]  * jjesse raises hand
[20:24] <brousch> there may be more using kde than unity
[20:24] <krondor> I alternate between kde and unity now.  I need to play with gnome3/shell though.
[20:25] <brousch> what's this window floating on my desktop called?
[20:26] <brousch> desktop folder
[20:26] <krondor> folder view widget
[20:26] <jjesse> that's an applet or widget
[20:26] <jjesse> the desktop folder
[20:26] <jjesse> you can select which folder to display
[20:26] <jjesse> and interact w/ files right there (if you want)
[20:26] <jjesse> i like to change mine to my home directory
[20:27] <brousch> obviously i need to read jjesse's book
[20:28] <jjesse> hahah
[20:28] <jjesse> it actually go too light on KDE/Kubuntu there was so much to cover and i had so little space
[20:28] <krondor> brousch lol you should have made the hike to lugwash I just showed them kde a few weeks back
[20:29] <krondor> I am obviously doing something wrong here.. rsyslog will not send logs to my remote syslogd :|
[20:31] <brousch> only 3 clock widgets? what is kde coming to?
[20:33] <krondor> ah nevermind I'm an idiot, tcpdump port s/524/514/ and I see the traffic lol.
[23:38] <brousch> rick_h_: Are you a manly muppet or a muppet of a man?