[00:21] Evening again. [02:14] http://brainacle.com/how-to-write-vim-plugins-with-python.html [02:15] http://items.sjbach.com/97/writing-a-vim-plugin [02:16] Bah, I wish these articles didn't peter out before actually showing something useful [02:16] Heading to reddit != useful [02:17] this one isn't bad: http://orestis.gr/blog/2008/08/10/scripting-vim-with-python/ [02:17] though it looks pretty hard to do simple things [03:16] there's a book in progress, let me find it [03:17] http://learnvimscriptthehardway.stevelosh.com/ [03:26] yeah, I was commenting on my dislike of vimscript, when widox and snap-l mentioned pythoning it up. [03:28] whenever i modify an existing vim plugin, I can never tell if my lack of vimscript knowledge is holding me back, or if the original author wrote terrible code. [03:29] heh, both [03:42] ugh, rotten wireless here [03:42] how was CHC? [03:42] pretty good. just snap-l, widox and me, and I was about an hour late. [03:43] got to see snap-l's new tablet [03:46] oh yea? shiny? [04:05] Yeah, it's purdy. [04:06] lol [04:18] what is it the happen? [04:26] derekv: Pardon? [04:27] cute way of asking whats up. [04:30] qué paso? [13:37] morning party people [13:37] morning rick_h_ [13:39] in the place to be [13:56] Morning from the U.P. ahe [13:59] how much snow you have? [14:06] just a trace this morning [14:06] a bit of ice on the pond tho [14:06] is that what you call lake superior? [14:22] well its lake huron on my side .. [14:34] Good morning [14:34] Sounds like a 1970s folk song: Lake Huron By My Side. [14:47] google reader has a slightly different look. now each post is more seperated [14:47] an improvement! [15:20] Blazeix: widox https://github.com/mozilla/doctorjs [15:20] kind of cool, works a little better [15:20] but still not 100% [15:23] cool [15:25] rick_h_: Do you use CTRL_X CTRL-O? [15:29] snap-l: it's just ctags [15:29] oh sorry, you mean omni-completion? yea some [16:09] http://youtu.be/U13xOvDa19U <- provided without comment [16:09] * rick_h_ is scared [16:10] ok, that is scary [16:10] And it works [16:15] you want crazy? i'm in kde right now [16:16] brousch: That's not crazy. that's punishment. [16:16] and waiting to be in KDE is masochistic. [16:16] it's fugly, but its behavior is more gnome2-like than unity or gnome3 [16:16] More human than human. :) [16:17] the quest for gnome2 continues? [16:17] gnome shell quirks have annoyed me the last 2 days [16:17] and unity quirks are still annoying [16:18] lol, so much for he great gnome shell [16:18] well, it's still less annoying than unity [16:18] * snap-l doesn't have as much trouble with Unity. [16:19] i don't like how it dynamically adds desktops [16:19] eh? [16:19] and the notification thing is buggy [16:19] * snap-l is still on 11.04 on his desktop, though [16:19] The laptop is running 11.10 [16:20] gnome shell gives you 1 desktop more than what you're using, so if the only program on desktop 2 crashes, desktop 3 becomes desktop 2 [16:20] Oh, that's Gnome Shell [16:20] Well, of course it is, because it's Gnome Shell [16:20] it knows better than you what you want to do [16:20] since i always have the same thing on desktop 1,2,3 i have to rejigger my programs whenever one closes [16:21] and i can't park banshee on desktop 10 [16:21] Why the fuck would you have 10 desktops? [16:21] * snap-l can barely manage two [16:21] i always have 4 [16:21] Oh, right, because gnome shell did away with Minimize, didn't it? [16:22] because nobody ever shuffles things off their desk, ever. [16:22] #1 work web browser with email, calendar, etc; #2 personal web browser with email calendar, etc; #3 pidgin; #4-9 actual work; #10 music [16:22] That's your problem right there [16:22] expecting to do actual work. [16:22] when i was playing with gnome shell i had stationary things like email and music on #1 and #2 [16:23] that way I was fine with the dynamic workspaces being appended on the end [16:23] Blazeix: right, but if you close your email program, everything moves up and you have to rejigger your programs to get it right again [16:23] close your email program? [16:23] or it crashes [16:23] mutt doesn't crash, what's the matter with you :P [16:24] ah, yeah, I could see that being annoying if it crashed. I don't think that ever really happened to me though [16:24] the dynamic workspace thing was annoying, but I could see getting use to it eventually [16:24] well with firefox on #1 and chrome on #2, i have crashes once a week probably [16:25] the other big annoyance is the notifffication thing in the lower right. it just doesn't work right [16:26] yeah, that's why I didn't have temporary things like browsers on #1 and #2, it definitely required me changing my patterns [16:26] i've had trouble with it in dropbox and banshee [16:26] I want to smack my library sometimes. [16:26] the notification thing was glitchy for me to [16:26] They literally send out an image filled with text in an e-mail [16:26] and it slides up just far enough to be annoying if i have chrome downloads [16:26] it like to jump up and down and play tag with my cursor [16:26] s/like/likes/ [16:26] http://library.booksite.com/5460/nl/?list=CNL9&preview=1 [16:27] snap-l: hah, that's how my doctor friend had his web site until i beat him about the head for a month [16:28] anyways, i am disgruntled [16:28] so now my eyes hurt from kde's theme [16:30] but i have 10 desktops and stuff is not moving around, and notification area looks good and works, and my menus are where they're supposed to be [16:32] does http://opendesktop.org work for anyone else? [16:33] Appears to work over here. [16:34] works here on this sucky hotel wifi [16:34] hm [16:36] it's detecting you're running KDE, so it knows you don't care about how your desktop looks [16:38] i wonder how irritated i would have to become to want to try one of your goofball tiling window managers [16:39] lol, come to the dark side [16:39] I wonder if greg-g is still experimenting or gave up [16:39] if you're like me, not very irritated. I was in fluxbox land, and a friend said, "switch to Awesome," so I did. [16:43] ok, fubar this. mifi time. Now if only I was in a 4g area ugh [16:46] Blazeix: If someone told you to jump off a bridge, would you? [16:46] because I'm totally there. :) [16:46] idk, that same friend has since switched to wmii, and I'm resisting that. [16:47] maybe if you told me to jump off a bridge while switching to Awesome. [16:47] There you go. :) [16:50] ah, found a nice dark theme. apparently kde doesn't have to be painfully ugly, it just is by default [16:50] brousch: ++ [16:51] whoa: "Warning: Something's Not Right Here! mail.google.com contains content from www.teefury.com, a site known to distribute malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." [16:55] rick_h_: I'm... uh....... using Unity right now.... :( [16:56] Uh oh, the cult of awesome is shrinking. [16:57] but, if it makes anyone feel any better: I sure do hate Unity [16:58] Why? [16:58] it just handled IM's better (as in, if I'm away from my desk when I get one, I'll know about it via that meMenu or whatever its called) [16:58] better than gnome-shell [16:58] Yeah, the me menu is pretty nice [16:58] why do I hate: alt tab behavior is a major one [16:58] has saved my bacon [16:59] greg-g: ug, yes, alt-tab [17:00] and middle-click for new window. i don't have middle click! [17:00] Who's fault is that? :) [17:00] but seriously, why the fuck did they fuck with alt-tab? I haven't seen ANY reasoning that this is in any way better [17:00] dell's? [17:00] yea, get a real machine :P (thinkpad ftw) [17:01] steve jobs the genius says i need 1 button. unity says i need 3 [17:05] wait, brousch , middle click for new window? where? [17:05] middle click on the icon in the sidebar thingy right? [17:06] yeah [17:06] for a new window of a program already running [17:06] ah [17:06] gotcha [17:06] ctrl+n not good enough for ya? [17:06] no [17:06] nothing is good enough for brousch, can't you tell? [17:06] :P [17:06] then i have to move the window where i want it [17:07] but middle click has magical mind reading location properties? [17:07] yes, because i go to the desktop i want it on, then make a new window [17:07] ah [17:07] otherwise i have to fgo to the desktop where the program is running, make a new window, then move it to the desktop i want it on [17:09] if you used awesome you'd just move it to the right desktop with a quick shortcut like win-shift-4 [17:09] is there nothing like that in unity? [17:09] any shortcut where i have to click more than + is very annoying [17:10] yea, I've got a couple that use shift I've trained myself for. [17:10] rather that than getting arrow keys or fn keys and other out of reach keys [17:11] so in my gnome2 workflow, i switch to desktop 4 with alt+4 then click the icon of firefox/gedit/terminal/whatever and blammo i have a new window where i want it [17:13] so for me that's "meta-4" "ctrl-space" "fire" [17:14] right, i'm not as keyboardy as you [17:15] much of the time i keep my left hand on the keyboard and right on the mouse [17:15] or touchpad or whatever [17:15] nipple [17:21] You can right-click on the titlebar to move it to a window [17:21] Works under Gnome 2 or Unity [17:22] I wish that multi-monitor worke that way. [17:23] * snap-l did not know about the middle mouse button trick, though [17:24] Though I just found that by holding shift along with the meta key, it'll open a new window. [17:24] That's handy. [19:29] ah, got KDE panels set up just like good old gnome2 [19:29] screenshot, or it didn't happen [19:29] and an inoffensive color scheme [19:31] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot1.png [19:32] What's the bottom bar for? [19:33] doh, forgot [19:35] brousch, nice shiny kde :) [19:40] here we go, fixed the task manager position and added system monitor. oh how i missed system monitor in my panel http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot3.png [19:44] http://decafbad.net/2011/12/01/spam-patterns/ [19:44] I never got into the system monitors on the top bar [19:45] i love them [19:46] now i need to figure out these floating desktop thingies [19:47] and wtf an activity is [19:47] no one knows what an activity is :) [19:47] you can multiple desktops and multiple activities [19:48] from my understanding :) [19:49] jjesse: activity == workspace but with per workspace settings [19:49] you can have multiple desktops with multiple activities per use yes [19:49] thanks [19:50] i find them a bit silly? [19:50] I only use like 2 or 3 activities. Dev, Browsing, and Social. [19:51] it's more for people that are hardcore workflow types, they need per desktop tuning for their day or something. [19:51] very power desktop user settings [19:52] interesting [19:52] so instead of crippling virtual desktops kde gives you even more flexible ones? [19:52] Sounds like something that demos well, and is never used again. [19:53] like desktop cubes [19:54] :) [19:55] i hate that cube [19:58] my son just told me "daddy i want you to stop saying words to me" [19:58] i laughed [20:01] snap-l: yeah it's nifty, but I'm just not into tuned desktops to that level. [20:02] <_stink_> jjesse: hah awesome [20:02] <_stink_> ours tells my wife and i to stop talking sometimes. [20:02] speaking of Compiz, I absolutely love the app switcher in Unity. [20:06] jjesse: that's how you know your lecture has been effective [20:06] i've never gotten to that point [20:06] app switcher? [20:06] brousch, hopefully it was :) [20:06] alt-tab [20:07] kubuntu has kind of a cool one [20:21] hey, dolphin's not bad [20:22] i don;t think this existed last time i really used kde (2007,2008) [20:22] brousch: yeah dolphin finally feels like it can replace konq as of like 4.6 or 4.7. [20:23] so how many people in here are using kde? [20:23] * jjesse raises hand [20:24] there may be more using kde than unity [20:24] I alternate between kde and unity now. I need to play with gnome3/shell though. [20:25] what's this window floating on my desktop called? [20:26] desktop folder [20:26] folder view widget [20:26] that's an applet or widget [20:26] the desktop folder [20:26] you can select which folder to display [20:26] and interact w/ files right there (if you want) [20:26] i like to change mine to my home directory [20:27] obviously i need to read jjesse's book [20:28] hahah [20:28] it actually go too light on KDE/Kubuntu there was so much to cover and i had so little space [20:28] brousch lol you should have made the hike to lugwash I just showed them kde a few weeks back [20:29] I am obviously doing something wrong here.. rsyslog will not send logs to my remote syslogd :| [20:31] only 3 clock widgets? what is kde coming to? [20:33] ah nevermind I'm an idiot, tcpdump port s/524/514/ and I see the traffic lol. [23:38] rick_h_: Are you a manly muppet or a muppet of a man?