/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/01/#ubuntu-us-wi.txt

CheeseheadI'm sure we all have opinions.00:00
SammySezyou like? not like?00:12
greppySammySez: I haven't been a fan of Unity at all.  I'm still using gnome.00:20
SammySezthx. is Gnome still available in 11.10?00:20
SammySezI am hearing Unity is not very popular. I should just DL it to a VM and try it I suppose00:21
greppyyes, you can still get gnome in 11.1000:21
greppyit's just not the default. You'll have to install it.00:21
SammySezok - thanks. Is it an option during install, or does it just00:22
SammySezhah00:22
SammySezwas just going to ask00:22
SammySezis it an option during the install then?00:22
greppy( I think... it's been a little bit since I had to deal with it )00:22
greppynope00:22
greppywell, I take that back.00:22
greppyI didn't do a clean install, I did an upgrade.00:23
SammySezso I install 11.10, comes with Unity (and KDE perhaps) then I just need to read an article on how to install Gnome I suppose00:23
SammySezahh00:23
CheeseheadSome people like Unity, some not.00:24
greppyyou should be able to do an apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment00:24
SammySezI may have to do the same here. GRUB2 is a bit more complex and I may trip up my Windows installation unless I upgrade from 10.04 to 11.10. I may just wait until the next LTS, but so many apps I use are no longer updated in 10.04 - like Terminal Server Client for example.00:24
SammySezok00:24
SammySezgreat00:24
SammySezthat sounds pretty straight forward00:24
greppythen I probably left something out ;)00:24
SammySezI may give it a shot00:24
SammySezheh heh00:24
SammySezno worries00:24
SammySezit sounds like the bulk of it is not as painful as I thought it might be00:25
greppyI ended up giving mint a shot on my laptop after 11.10 didn't play as nicely on it.00:25
CheeseheadThe transitions between different desktop environments in 11.10 is quite easy.00:25
SammySezyeah? I was gonna try that too00:25
SammySezyeah - I can switch between Gnome and KDE with ease in 10.04. My guess is the process is similar with later revs as well00:26
greppy11.10 had issues with turning the backlight off on the screen and I couldn't get it back on.00:26
SammySezoh, I see00:26
greppyhad a friend with the same problem on different hardware.00:26
SammySezI have that problem with 10.04 UNR on my Netbook actually00:26
greppyso since I was going to blow it up anyway, I decided to give mint a shot.00:26
SammySezIf I use the OEM key strokes to set the LCD brightness - no problem. If I use the LCD panel-applet, it gets stuck00:27
greppyso far it's been great, but my laptop is mainly just a portable shell and gui to run chrome in :)00:27
greppyinteresting.00:27
SammySezyeah - it seems Mint is a new rage and some are revisiting Fedora Core again.00:27
SammySezI really liked Ubuntu 9.10 and have felt it is on a downward slide since then00:28
greppyI like 10.04 LTS, but yeah, I have the same kind of feeling... I don't think I'll ever go back to a redhat based system as my home server or *shudder* my workstation.00:29
greppyI know it's kind of narrow minded but the redhat 6.x upgrade issues about killed me.00:30
SammySezany experience with using Debian upstream from the Ubuntu fork by chance? I thought about trying that as well00:30
CheeseheadI use Debian00:30
greppyyou mean just using vanilla debian?  I still use it in a couple places, and honestly, would probably go back to that if mint causes me pain, or maybe move to it from the next server LTS if there are issues.00:31
SammySezDebian is probably more solid than Ubuntu in terms of updates, isn't it? I've never tried Debian natively, but with the latest Ubuntu releases I am thinking about finding something with less "fluff"00:31
CheeseheadLess Fluff = Xubuntu00:32
SammySezgood points - I've never tried Xubuntu00:32
CheeseheadDebian is great, but different from Ubuntu.00:32
CheeseheadUbuntu is easier to configure. More 'just works'00:32
SammySezyeah - that's what I thought, but I don't mind making the investment if I have less issues with the GUI00:32
SammySezok00:33
CheeseheadDebian can be less forgiving if you file unresearched or duplicate bugs.00:33
CheeseheadWhereas Ubuntu will simply ignore them...00:33
SammySezI have puh-lenty of horsepower on this lappy, just need something a bit more stable00:33
SammySezI've never filed any bugs (that I am aware of)00:34
CheeseheadStability is a function of testing.00:34
CheeseheadAll distros expect you to test, and file bugs.00:34
CheeseheadIf you don't file, how will they know?00:34
SammySezperhaps - all I know is I get more and more surprises in my desktop environment each time I boot00:34
SammySeztime for a refresh and just want to see if now might be the time to think about another fork00:35
CheeseheadA well researched bug will get fixed in all distros. A nice way to contribute to the whole Lunix community.00:36
SammySezsure - if I knew how to do it. I do have other contributions to Linux as well00:37
CheeseheadGreat. Your spelling is better than mine.00:38
SammySezwhere from in WI?00:39
SammySezI am near the Dells00:39
CheeseheadMKE00:39
SammySezI see00:39
CheeseheadI help some people in forums work diagnose various issues.00:40
CheeseheadI also sometimes work Bug Squad.00:40
SammySezI wish I had more time00:40
SammySez;)00:40
CheeseheadWe all would like that.00:41
SammySezmay drop connection here. gonna try something.00:43
greppyI have long lobbied for a 48 hour day and a 14 day week.  ( while keeping the 8 hour a day work goal )01:00
CheeseheadHow...French...of you.01:24
greppyCheesehead: that's just so I have enough time to get all the stuff done that I want to get done. :)01:45
CheeseheadI simply shifted to Metric Time.01:51
CheeseheadNow I have 40 extra seconds each minute.01:51
CheeseheadOf course, coverting bus schedules is a bit hopeless, and I'm always much too early to appointments.01:51

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