| Cheesehead | I'm sure we all have opinions. | 00:00 |
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| SammySez | you like? not like? | 00:12 |
| greppy | SammySez: I haven't been a fan of Unity at all. I'm still using gnome. | 00:20 |
| SammySez | thx. is Gnome still available in 11.10? | 00:20 |
| SammySez | I am hearing Unity is not very popular. I should just DL it to a VM and try it I suppose | 00:21 |
| greppy | yes, you can still get gnome in 11.10 | 00:21 |
| greppy | it's just not the default. You'll have to install it. | 00:21 |
| SammySez | ok - thanks. Is it an option during install, or does it just | 00:22 |
| SammySez | hah | 00:22 |
| SammySez | was just going to ask | 00:22 |
| SammySez | is it an option during the install then? | 00:22 |
| greppy | ( I think... it's been a little bit since I had to deal with it ) | 00:22 |
| greppy | nope | 00:22 |
| greppy | well, I take that back. | 00:22 |
| greppy | I didn't do a clean install, I did an upgrade. | 00:23 |
| SammySez | so I install 11.10, comes with Unity (and KDE perhaps) then I just need to read an article on how to install Gnome I suppose | 00:23 |
| SammySez | ahh | 00:23 |
| Cheesehead | Some people like Unity, some not. | 00:24 |
| greppy | you should be able to do an apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment | 00:24 |
| SammySez | I may have to do the same here. GRUB2 is a bit more complex and I may trip up my Windows installation unless I upgrade from 10.04 to 11.10. I may just wait until the next LTS, but so many apps I use are no longer updated in 10.04 - like Terminal Server Client for example. | 00:24 |
| SammySez | ok | 00:24 |
| SammySez | great | 00:24 |
| SammySez | that sounds pretty straight forward | 00:24 |
| greppy | then I probably left something out ;) | 00:24 |
| SammySez | I may give it a shot | 00:24 |
| SammySez | heh heh | 00:24 |
| SammySez | no worries | 00:24 |
| SammySez | it sounds like the bulk of it is not as painful as I thought it might be | 00:25 |
| greppy | I ended up giving mint a shot on my laptop after 11.10 didn't play as nicely on it. | 00:25 |
| Cheesehead | The transitions between different desktop environments in 11.10 is quite easy. | 00:25 |
| SammySez | yeah? I was gonna try that too | 00:25 |
| SammySez | yeah - I can switch between Gnome and KDE with ease in 10.04. My guess is the process is similar with later revs as well | 00:26 |
| greppy | 11.10 had issues with turning the backlight off on the screen and I couldn't get it back on. | 00:26 |
| SammySez | oh, I see | 00:26 |
| greppy | had a friend with the same problem on different hardware. | 00:26 |
| SammySez | I have that problem with 10.04 UNR on my Netbook actually | 00:26 |
| greppy | so since I was going to blow it up anyway, I decided to give mint a shot. | 00:26 |
| SammySez | If I use the OEM key strokes to set the LCD brightness - no problem. If I use the LCD panel-applet, it gets stuck | 00:27 |
| greppy | so far it's been great, but my laptop is mainly just a portable shell and gui to run chrome in :) | 00:27 |
| greppy | interesting. | 00:27 |
| SammySez | yeah - it seems Mint is a new rage and some are revisiting Fedora Core again. | 00:27 |
| SammySez | I really liked Ubuntu 9.10 and have felt it is on a downward slide since then | 00:28 |
| greppy | I like 10.04 LTS, but yeah, I have the same kind of feeling... I don't think I'll ever go back to a redhat based system as my home server or *shudder* my workstation. | 00:29 |
| greppy | I know it's kind of narrow minded but the redhat 6.x upgrade issues about killed me. | 00:30 |
| SammySez | any experience with using Debian upstream from the Ubuntu fork by chance? I thought about trying that as well | 00:30 |
| Cheesehead | I use Debian | 00:30 |
| greppy | you mean just using vanilla debian? I still use it in a couple places, and honestly, would probably go back to that if mint causes me pain, or maybe move to it from the next server LTS if there are issues. | 00:31 |
| SammySez | Debian is probably more solid than Ubuntu in terms of updates, isn't it? I've never tried Debian natively, but with the latest Ubuntu releases I am thinking about finding something with less "fluff" | 00:31 |
| Cheesehead | Less Fluff = Xubuntu | 00:32 |
| SammySez | good points - I've never tried Xubuntu | 00:32 |
| Cheesehead | Debian is great, but different from Ubuntu. | 00:32 |
| Cheesehead | Ubuntu is easier to configure. More 'just works' | 00:32 |
| SammySez | yeah - that's what I thought, but I don't mind making the investment if I have less issues with the GUI | 00:32 |
| SammySez | ok | 00:33 |
| Cheesehead | Debian can be less forgiving if you file unresearched or duplicate bugs. | 00:33 |
| Cheesehead | Whereas Ubuntu will simply ignore them... | 00:33 |
| SammySez | I have puh-lenty of horsepower on this lappy, just need something a bit more stable | 00:33 |
| SammySez | I've never filed any bugs (that I am aware of) | 00:34 |
| Cheesehead | Stability is a function of testing. | 00:34 |
| Cheesehead | All distros expect you to test, and file bugs. | 00:34 |
| Cheesehead | If you don't file, how will they know? | 00:34 |
| SammySez | perhaps - all I know is I get more and more surprises in my desktop environment each time I boot | 00:34 |
| SammySez | time for a refresh and just want to see if now might be the time to think about another fork | 00:35 |
| Cheesehead | A well researched bug will get fixed in all distros. A nice way to contribute to the whole Lunix community. | 00:36 |
| SammySez | sure - if I knew how to do it. I do have other contributions to Linux as well | 00:37 |
| Cheesehead | Great. Your spelling is better than mine. | 00:38 |
| SammySez | where from in WI? | 00:39 |
| SammySez | I am near the Dells | 00:39 |
| Cheesehead | MKE | 00:39 |
| SammySez | I see | 00:39 |
| Cheesehead | I help some people in forums work diagnose various issues. | 00:40 |
| Cheesehead | I also sometimes work Bug Squad. | 00:40 |
| SammySez | I wish I had more time | 00:40 |
| SammySez | ;) | 00:40 |
| Cheesehead | We all would like that. | 00:41 |
| SammySez | may drop connection here. gonna try something. | 00:43 |
| greppy | I have long lobbied for a 48 hour day and a 14 day week. ( while keeping the 8 hour a day work goal ) | 01:00 |
| Cheesehead | How...French...of you. | 01:24 |
| greppy | Cheesehead: that's just so I have enough time to get all the stuff done that I want to get done. :) | 01:45 |
| Cheesehead | I simply shifted to Metric Time. | 01:51 |
| Cheesehead | Now I have 40 extra seconds each minute. | 01:51 |
| Cheesehead | Of course, coverting bus schedules is a bit hopeless, and I'm always much too early to appointments. | 01:51 |
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