[00:00] I'm sure we all have opinions. [00:12] you like? not like? [00:20] SammySez: I haven't been a fan of Unity at all. I'm still using gnome. [00:20] thx. is Gnome still available in 11.10? [00:21] I am hearing Unity is not very popular. I should just DL it to a VM and try it I suppose [00:21] yes, you can still get gnome in 11.10 [00:21] it's just not the default. You'll have to install it. [00:22] ok - thanks. Is it an option during install, or does it just [00:22] hah [00:22] was just going to ask [00:22] is it an option during the install then? [00:22] ( I think... it's been a little bit since I had to deal with it ) [00:22] nope [00:22] well, I take that back. [00:23] I didn't do a clean install, I did an upgrade. [00:23] so I install 11.10, comes with Unity (and KDE perhaps) then I just need to read an article on how to install Gnome I suppose [00:23] ahh [00:24] Some people like Unity, some not. [00:24] you should be able to do an apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment [00:24] I may have to do the same here. GRUB2 is a bit more complex and I may trip up my Windows installation unless I upgrade from 10.04 to 11.10. I may just wait until the next LTS, but so many apps I use are no longer updated in 10.04 - like Terminal Server Client for example. [00:24] ok [00:24] great [00:24] that sounds pretty straight forward [00:24] then I probably left something out ;) [00:24] I may give it a shot [00:24] heh heh [00:24] no worries [00:25] it sounds like the bulk of it is not as painful as I thought it might be [00:25] I ended up giving mint a shot on my laptop after 11.10 didn't play as nicely on it. [00:25] The transitions between different desktop environments in 11.10 is quite easy. [00:25] yeah? I was gonna try that too [00:26] yeah - I can switch between Gnome and KDE with ease in 10.04. My guess is the process is similar with later revs as well [00:26] 11.10 had issues with turning the backlight off on the screen and I couldn't get it back on. [00:26] oh, I see [00:26] had a friend with the same problem on different hardware. [00:26] I have that problem with 10.04 UNR on my Netbook actually [00:26] so since I was going to blow it up anyway, I decided to give mint a shot. [00:27] If I use the OEM key strokes to set the LCD brightness - no problem. If I use the LCD panel-applet, it gets stuck [00:27] so far it's been great, but my laptop is mainly just a portable shell and gui to run chrome in :) [00:27] interesting. [00:27] yeah - it seems Mint is a new rage and some are revisiting Fedora Core again. [00:28] I really liked Ubuntu 9.10 and have felt it is on a downward slide since then [00:29] I like 10.04 LTS, but yeah, I have the same kind of feeling... I don't think I'll ever go back to a redhat based system as my home server or *shudder* my workstation. [00:30] I know it's kind of narrow minded but the redhat 6.x upgrade issues about killed me. [00:30] any experience with using Debian upstream from the Ubuntu fork by chance? I thought about trying that as well [00:30] I use Debian [00:31] you mean just using vanilla debian? I still use it in a couple places, and honestly, would probably go back to that if mint causes me pain, or maybe move to it from the next server LTS if there are issues. [00:31] Debian is probably more solid than Ubuntu in terms of updates, isn't it? I've never tried Debian natively, but with the latest Ubuntu releases I am thinking about finding something with less "fluff" [00:32] Less Fluff = Xubuntu [00:32] good points - I've never tried Xubuntu [00:32] Debian is great, but different from Ubuntu. [00:32] Ubuntu is easier to configure. More 'just works' [00:32] yeah - that's what I thought, but I don't mind making the investment if I have less issues with the GUI [00:33] ok [00:33] Debian can be less forgiving if you file unresearched or duplicate bugs. [00:33] Whereas Ubuntu will simply ignore them... [00:33] I have puh-lenty of horsepower on this lappy, just need something a bit more stable [00:34] I've never filed any bugs (that I am aware of) [00:34] Stability is a function of testing. [00:34] All distros expect you to test, and file bugs. [00:34] If you don't file, how will they know? [00:34] perhaps - all I know is I get more and more surprises in my desktop environment each time I boot [00:35] time for a refresh and just want to see if now might be the time to think about another fork [00:36] A well researched bug will get fixed in all distros. A nice way to contribute to the whole Lunix community. [00:37] sure - if I knew how to do it. I do have other contributions to Linux as well [00:38] Great. Your spelling is better than mine. [00:39] where from in WI? [00:39] I am near the Dells [00:39] MKE [00:39] I see [00:40] I help some people in forums work diagnose various issues. [00:40] I also sometimes work Bug Squad. [00:40] I wish I had more time [00:40] ;) [00:41] We all would like that. [00:43] may drop connection here. gonna try something. [01:00] I have long lobbied for a 48 hour day and a 14 day week. ( while keeping the 8 hour a day work goal ) [01:24] How...French...of you. [01:45] Cheesehead: that's just so I have enough time to get all the stuff done that I want to get done. :) [01:51] I simply shifted to Metric Time. [01:51] Now I have 40 extra seconds each minute. [01:51] Of course, coverting bus schedules is a bit hopeless, and I'm always much too early to appointments.