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Kilosmorning superfly and everyone else thats up so early04:25
MaazKilos: By the way, drubin on freenode told me "tell Kilos it is always a pleasure!" 7 hours, 59 minutes and 16 seconds ago04:25
Kerberohi Kilos 05:01
Kerberoja, veels te vroeg wakker vanoggend05:02
Kiloswow you early Kerbero 05:02
Kiloshet jy die bed nat gemaak05:02
Kerberovakansie+voor 1 gaan slaap05:02
Kerberolol05:02
Kiloslo jpm 05:03
jpmhi05:03
=== Kerbero[hp-netbo is now known as Kerbero[hp-nb]
Kilosmornin dougx 05:19
dougxgooie more Kilos05:19
Kilosskuus man05:19
Kiloscremora 05:19
Kilosi forget who is englikaans and who is afrigish05:20
Kiloseks nie seker of dit die ouder of die dom is nie05:24
dougxlol - i'm frenglish05:27
Kilosha ha ha05:28
Kilosyou do that parley thing too?05:28
dougxyes - parlez ( i presume )05:29
Kilosya05:30
Kilosnice now we just need someone that can speak martian05:32
Kiloswho of you's is studying at varsities05:33
Kerbero[hp-nb]everyone that is still asleep05:34
Kilosha ha ha05:34
Kilosi was just wanting some feedback on why ubuntu is growing so slowly with the freedom toasters at the varsities05:35
Kilosone would think that everyone there would get ubuntu especially because its free05:36
Kerbero[hp-nb]freedom toaster? 05:39
Kerbero[hp-nb]lol05:39
Kerbero[hp-nb]that is soo old05:39
Kerbero[hp-nb]we just use ftp.sun directly05:39
Kerbero[hp-nb]much easier and cheaper05:39
Kilosdont you know about the freedom toasters Kerbero 05:39
Kilosoh my05:39
Kerbero[hp-nb]yes i do05:39
Kerbero[hp-nb]and that no-one is using it anymore05:40
Kilosthen whats stopping all the students going ubuntu?05:40
Kerbero[hp-nb]they like windows05:40
Kerbero[hp-nb]they like gaming05:40
Kiloseish05:40
Kerbero[hp-nb]the others use ubuntu05:40
Kilosoh ya05:40
Kerbero[hp-nb]like me05:40
Kerbero[hp-nb]but yes, ubuntu is growing a lot05:40
Kilosim sure the linux guys are working on the gaming side05:41
Kerbero[hp-nb]but with all the unity bugs people are a bit more hesitant than in the past05:41
Kilosthere was someone here about a year ago that gamed on ubuntu all the time05:41
Kerbero[hp-nb]to reach more people the default install should word05:41
Kerbero[hp-nb]*work05:41
Kilosya05:41
Kerbero[hp-nb]and with unity it is not always the case05:41
Kerbero[hp-nb]i did play my fare share of games in ubuntu05:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]but i don't like gaming05:42
Kilosmethinks unity shoulda been stabilised before they switched05:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]yeah05:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]and don't understand me wrong, i like unity05:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]i have it on both my netbook and pc05:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]but it is buggy05:42
Kilosand if you not an IT guy then its hassles05:43
Kerbero[hp-nb]and having to restart my computer because things started to lagg is not nice05:43
Kerbero[hp-nb]exactly05:43
Kilosya but dont forget the common message on windows05:43
Kilosyou have moved your mouse windows needs to restart05:44
Kerbero[hp-nb]lol05:44
Kerbero[hp-nb]yes but seriously now, these day one can get much better uptime from a winXP or win7 install than a ubuntu 11.10 or 11.04 install05:45
Kerbero[hp-nb]my 10.04 boxes are stable though05:45
Kilosat least here i can install stuff and it works immediately05:45
Kerbero[hp-nb]i heard people say that of windows05:45
Kiloswhat do you mean by uptime?05:45
Kerbero[hp-nb]and i had it myself too05:45
Kerbero[hp-nb]type uptime in a terminal05:46
Kerbero[hp-nb]time between restarts05:46
Kilosna i got my daughter in aus to install pidgin on xp and it didnt work till restarting05:46
Kerbero[hp-nb]weird05:47
Kerbero[hp-nb]especially for something FOSS like pidgin05:47
Kilosmiles@P4:~$ uptime05:47
Kilos 07:47:11 up  1:28,  3 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.0905:47
Kiloswhat does that mean05:47
Kerbero[hp-nb]almost 8 hours05:47
Kerbero[hp-nb]the best i got here in my flat was 100 days05:48
Kilosfor who or what05:48
Kilosi havent been on for 8 hours05:49
Kerbero[hp-nb]no05:49
Kerbero[hp-nb]i read it wrong05:49
Kerbero[hp-nb]it is now 7:4705:49
Kerbero[hp-nb]and the system has been up for 1:2805:49
Kilosand where are the 3 users05:50
Kerbero[hp-nb]open terminals? system users (daemons)?05:50
Kilosah05:50
Kilosoh like my evolution xchat and 1 terminal05:51
Kerbero[hp-nb]hmm05:51
Kerbero[hp-nb]no i don't think so05:51
Kerbero[hp-nb]i had a terminal open and xchat and only had one user05:51
Kilosoh and iftop is running05:52
Kerbero[hp-nb]that needs sudo05:52
Kerbero[hp-nb]so yes05:52
Kilosya05:52
Kerbero[hp-nb]that counts i guess05:52
Kiloshi fulcrum 06:18
fulcrummourning06:18
fulcrumso... whats new?06:19
Kiloswhy you mourning06:23
Kilospeeps getting ready to go home for the hols06:25
Kilosthats about all thats new methinks06:26
Kerbero[hp-nb]aren't they already on holiday?06:26
Kilos?06:27
Kilosyou tell me06:27
superflymorning Kilos06:28
Kiloshiya superfly all well there?06:29
superflyKilos: mostly06:29
Kiloswhats news superfly 06:30
Kilosany prospects06:30
superflyKilos: not really... haven't had anyone ask me to come for an interview yet06:31
Kiloswhat about the old place or isnt that an option?06:31
fulcrumnot mourning anything06:32
fulcrumKilos:  what peeps are getting ready for the hols from where?06:33
fulcrumsuperfly:  where are you?06:33
Kilosi thought all the students were and also the guys who work at companies that close down over the festive season06:34
superflyfulcrum: cape town06:34
fulcrumsuperfly:  ah 'k06:36
* fulcrum is also looking for new employment06:36
Kilossuperfly, have you thought about freelancing06:37
Kilosor even opening your own shop?06:38
superflyKilos: yes, there's not enough work06:38
Kiloseish06:38
fulcrumsuperfly:  Kilos doing linux stuff or ...?06:38
superflyI'd need to make a bunch of business contacts first, and I don't have time for that, I need food on my table06:38
superflyfulcrum: Python development06:38
fulcrumaaah... 06:39
Kilosfulcrum, any IT work06:39
Kiloseven windows if need be06:39
superflyfulcrum: my job title at my previous company was Application Architect06:39
Kilosif there isnt linux work then fixing windows pcs can still keep one going06:39
fulcrumsuperfly:  where did you work before?06:41
superflyČareerJunction06:41
fulcrumKilos:  you working or also looking?06:41
fulcrumsuperfly:  thats... ironic?06:41
Kilosfulcrum, na i old already06:41
fulcrumretired? ;-P06:42
Kilosum06:42
Kilosdisabled kinda06:42
fulcrumoooh ok on disability?06:43
Kilosna06:43
Kilosworkmans comp too fulla to get things going06:43
fulcrumsuperfly:  have you looked at those places where they put up work and you bid on it... 06:44
superflyfulcrum: Kilos took a knock to the head a number of years ago, but the government didn't accept his claim/application06:44
fulcrumcant remember them now...06:44
Kilosgave up after 5 years of trying to get a disability pension06:44
superflyfulcrum: no, I haven't06:44
Kilosty superfly 06:44
fulcrumKilos:  so how you coping now?06:44
Kilosmy sister supports me fulcrum 06:44
Kilosand i help out on the plot where i can06:45
Kilosand fix her windows pc 06:45
Kiloshehe06:45
fulcrumcool, good to have family06:45
fulcrumwheres your plot06:46
Kilosjust west of pretoria06:46
Kilosfamily is everything06:46
fulcrumyer, got 2 boys and another on the way06:46
fulcrumpartly the reason I need another job closer to home06:47
Kilosyeah its no good not being together06:47
fulcrumyou know I missed the birth of my second son... cos I was in pta, and my wife had a precipitate labour in randburg06:48
fulcrumI still got there before the doctor did though06:49
Kiloswhew06:49
fulcrumbut I should of been there damnit instead of working overtime06:49
Kiloseish06:50
Kilossuperfly, have you placed your cv with employment agencies06:52
Kilosonly prob is they get hits from all over the world06:52
fulcrumsuperfly:  you only looking local?06:55
fulcrumI assume you have googled python jobs06:56
fulcrummmm never heard of careerjet before...07:00
inetprozeref: 30/11 22:36:49 <zeref> hmmm07:26
Kiloshi Tonberry inetpro 07:27
Tonberrymore07:27
inetproheh, good morning everyone07:32
inetproHappy Mailman Day!07:32
Kiloshaha07:32
Kiloswhats that inetpro 07:32
inetproKilos: you don't subscribe to mailing lists?07:33
Kilosonly ours07:33
Kilosactually have had one for quite a while now07:34
inetproMailman is a popular mailing list manager and every 1st of the month you get password reminders from all those lists you subscribed to07:34
Kiloseish07:34
inetproKerbero / Kerbero[hp-nb]: wb07:37
Kerbero[hp-nb]thnx07:37
inetprowhat's with the nick?07:38
Kiloslol07:38
Kerbero[hp-nb]hp-netbook07:40
Kerbero[hp-nb]was too long07:40
fulcrumanyone had a look at this... http://www.ftacademy.com07:41
fulcrumheheh07:41
inetproKerbero[hp-nb]: ahh07:41
Kerbero[hp-nb]fulcrum: het jy nie werk om te doen nie :P07:41
fulcrumin fact I do07:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]is jy pada se boetie?07:42
fulcrumdoubtful07:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]ok07:42
fulcrumthis isnt the fulcrum you looking for ;-P07:42
Kerbero[hp-nb]hehe07:42
kbmonkeyKilos 07:48
kbmonkeyhoe gaan dit oom?07:48
Kilosyessir07:48
Kiloshows ya07:48
Kilosgoed en self07:49
Kiloswen jy daar07:49
Kilosgrrrr07:52
Kiloskbmonkey, 07:52
Kiloshehe\07:52
kbmonkeyag so very busy Kilos07:56
Kilosthats good?07:57
Kilosi hope07:57
kbmonkeyits good07:57
kbmonkeyand yourself?07:58
kbmonkeyi so miss my internet!07:59
Kilosyou still havent got sorted yet07:59
kbmonkeyno geek news, no slashdot, no irc, madness I tell you07:59
Kilosthats bad07:59
kbmonkeyha ha you know how telkom runs ;)07:59
Kiloseish08:00
kbmonkeyten minutes on a call, then they say im in the wrong dept cos their answering masjien is such a mess of options08:00
Kilosha ha ha08:00
Kilossounds like vodacom08:01
kbmonkeythen another ten and they cut me off due to 'technical difficulties' (read: incompetence)08:01
Kilosthey keep transferring me to other sections08:01
Kilosbut after 5 months of bitching they actually sending someone here today to test08:01
kbmonkeyyesh they have an intricate network of options and misguided answers to keep you on the call for long as possible08:02
kbmonkeyit's kinda like... pergatory?08:02
Kilosya maddening08:02
kbmonkeythe seventh circle of hell08:02
Kiloshehe08:02
kbmonkeysomewhere between lawyers and apple consultants08:03
Kiloseish lawyers08:04
Kilosprokerowers08:04
Kiloskbmonkey, wb08:32
kbmonkeysorry got dc08:36
kbmonkeyran out of battery08:36
kbmonkeywill have to run just now, got to paint some more walls :D08:36
kbmonkeyhave a good one ubuntu-za08:37
Kilosyou too laddy08:38
Kilosgood luck with everything you try08:38
kbmonkeythanks oom :)08:40
Kilosyay vodacom fixed their power and even came to test from here10:10
Kiloswith my modem as well10:11
Kilosinetpro, ^^10:13
Kiloshow far are your queries with them10:13
inetproheh Kilos, and did they fix anything?10:14
Kiloswell i am getting 80% signal strenght on my nm10:14
inetproKilos: wow, how are your packet losses now?10:15
Kilosand shows hsdpa on their windows xp lappy10:15
Kiloswait i check10:15
Kilossome 0% and others at 20% and here and there 80%10:16
inetproeish10:17
inetprowhat did he say about that?10:17
Kiloshe says most of their probs are because telkom does the connection to the tower10:18
Kilosvodacom is busy upgrading their towers to optic fibre then he says signal will fly10:19
Kilosbut i have his fone number so if it drops i goona bomb him direct10:20
Kiloslo bakuman 10:20
Kilosinetpro, he says telkom is whats holding them back at the moment10:21
inetproKilos: haha, good excuse10:21
Kiloshe showed me my modem can do 3m/s10:22
inetprothe packet losses are between the tower and your modem10:22
Kilosyeah but thats the sa way10:22
Kilospass the buck10:22
inetprowhat strings did you pull in order to get him there?10:23
* inetpro is still waiting10:23
Kilosi mailed their CEO10:23
inetprosjoe10:23
Kilostold you to do the same10:23
inetprohmm... maybe that's what we need to do then10:23
Kilosyou can just complain to him on twitter10:24
zerefhurrrmmmm10:24
Kilosi got his twiiter id and mail addies if you interested10:24
Kiloslo zeref 10:24
zereflo Kilos 10:24
zerefjust watched a sick movie, Antitrust10:25
zeref"Human Knowledge belongs to he world"10:25
Kiloszeref, i have a ibm P3 you can have if you like10:25
Kilosjust needs ram10:25
inetproKilos: so do you see a difference with your connectivity?10:26
Kilosyeah10:26
Kilosmail comes quick now again like 6 months ago10:26
zerefhmmm, ram for p3, thats expensive10:26
inetprocool10:26
zerefhow much ram do you have atm?10:26
Kilosi will have to go check it zeref . i think i took it all out for my P410:27
zerefkk10:27
Kilossorry zeref its all in here10:32
zeref:P10:34
Kilospieter@vodacom.co.za10:34
Kilosceo@vodacom.co.za10:34
Kiloshttp://twitter.com/#!/uyspj10:34
Kilosinetpro, ^^10:34
inetproKilos: thanks10:35
Kilosyw10:35
Kilosoh no 10:35
Kilosnp10:35
Kiloshehe10:35
inetproKilos: remind me to mail him on Saturday, or Monday10:36
Kilosthey also said that a booster helps if you got a very weak signal10:36
inetproto busy here10:36
Kilosok will try member for you10:36
Kilosbbl10:43
fulcrumsuperfly:  have you seen this?  http://www.careerjet.co.za/python-jobs.html10:46
superflyfulcrum: yup, but I'll look again10:49
fulcrumcool10:52
superflyfulcrum: careerjet btw, is just an aggregator, they pull jobs from various sites10:59
fulcrumyeah I noticed...11:00
fulcrumsuperfly:  seems to do a decent job of it :-)11:01
inetprosuperfly: can't you do freelancing for canonical?11:51
superflyinetpro: do they need someone?11:51
inetprosurely drussell should be able to lign you up with something? :-)11:51
drussellwe're always after talent! https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/jobSearch.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=111:53
inetprosuperfly: or ask around in the #ubuntu-community-team 11:53
inetprosuperfly: I believe you have the right skills to make a difference 11:55
superflydrussell: hrm, that looks interesting11:55
superflydrussell: where are you based?12:00
drussellsuperfly: personally I'm based in the UK12:02
superflyah right, I see so12:02
drussellsuperfly: another option would be to consider some of our partners in SA... LSD or Obsidian12:16
superflydrussell: yeah, the only problem is that most of them are based in Joburg, and I'm in Cape Town12:17
superflybut I'll investigate12:17
fulcrumarent there a lot of startups in cape town?13:57
Kilosgo home safe all you workers14:54
KilosMaaz, coffee on14:54
* Maaz washes some mugs14:54
superflyhey Kilos14:57
Kiloshey superfly 14:57
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!14:58
KilosMaaz, ty14:58
MaazEnjoy Kilos14:58
Kiloshallooooo18:16
Kilosshame poor afrodeity asked for help last night and everyone ignored him18:23
Kilosinetpro, must i just remind you to mail them or must i remember where those addresses are so that i cant give them to you again on saterday18:32
zerefhmmmm18:34
zeref1gb ram R50018:34
zereffor p318:34
zerefFFFFFFUUUUUUUU18:34
Kiloswhere from zeref 18:34
zerefsome comp shop next to campus18:35
Kiloscheaper than when i got. maybe they starting to worroy that just now they gonna sit with it18:36
Kilosbut shop around18:36
Kilostry find someone near the dumps to check for thrown away pcs every coupla days18:36
Kilosits sdr hey18:37
Kilosnot ddr18:37
zerefmeh, think i'll just get a new momboard18:38
Kilosif you can get one with ram and cpu go for it18:38
Kilosi have one i was planning to upgrade with but dual dore cpu's arent cheap either18:39
Kilosor core 2 i think its called18:39
zerefupgrading is an investment18:40
Kilosyeah18:40
zerefthen put debian on it xD18:41
Kilosi think a core 2 duo with 2g ram will fly with ubuntu18:41
Kilosand leave ubuntu?18:41
Kiloswhew18:41
zerefthis pc will still use ubunttu18:42
Kilosah ok18:42
zerefbut the server will be debian18:42
zerefbut i am think of going back to debian18:43
Kilosas a server you dont need much ram18:43
zeref*thinking18:43
Kilossuperfly, ran an old pc with min ram as a server18:43
zerefyeah it is possible18:44
superflyKilos: ran? I still run a server with 128 megs of RAM18:44
Kilosthere you go zeref 18:44
Kilosits the gui that eats ram18:44
zerefat the shop they did not have 256 or 51218:44
Kilosam i right18:44
Kilosdo they have 1g sdr ram cards?18:45
zerefout of stock18:46
Kilosyou can google18:46
zerefhmmm, bday is next week, i'll ask folks for a old pc18:46
Kiloslook for chinese pc shops18:46
zereflulz, forgot bout my bday :P18:46
Kiloslol18:47
Kilosi saw an add somewhere sometime back18:47
Kilosthere are mpeeps that sell P4's for a grand18:48
Kilosthink they were in the cape but it said postage included18:48
Kilosor look on gumtree18:49
Kilosalways stuff for sale there18:49
zerefhmmm18:49
zeref01001111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 18:50
zerefffs, wrong chact18:50
Kiloswhat you working out?18:51
Kiloslol18:51
zerefplaying around with bit shifting18:52
zerefwith a homiw18:52
zeref*homie18:52
Kilossuperfly, do you know whats happening with our monthly meeting18:53
Kilosim scared i missed something with being offline so much18:54
superflyKilos: I haven't seen one for a while18:54
Kilosyeah we missed this months one then i saw a mail from kbmonkey asking if anyone would arange one18:55
Kilosso nothing has happened18:55
Kilosmaybe we wait till apie gets connected18:55
Kiloshehe18:56
Kilosnuvolari, ping18:56
superflyKilos: I couldn't help with the last one, that was about the time I got back from the USA19:21
superflythis next one I could probably chair19:21
Kilosdoes it matter if we skip a month superfly 19:21
superflyKilos: not really19:21
Kilosnot gonna affect membership or something19:22
superflyno19:22
Kilosah ok ty19:22
superflyit'll only affect membership if we meet inconsistently, or stop meeting all together19:22
Kilosoh thats ok then ty superfly 19:22
Kilosi go sleep now. you guys all sleep tight19:23

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