[04:25] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else thats up so early
[04:25] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, drubin on freenode told me "tell Kilos it is always a pleasure!" 7 hours, 59 minutes and 16 seconds ago
[05:01] <Kerbero> hi Kilos 
[05:02] <Kerbero> ja, veels te vroeg wakker vanoggend
[05:02] <Kilos> wow you early Kerbero 
[05:02] <Kilos> het jy die bed nat gemaak
[05:02] <Kerbero> vakansie+voor 1 gaan slaap
[05:02] <Kerbero> lol
[05:03] <Kilos> lo jpm 
[05:03] <jpm> hi
[05:19] <Kilos> mornin dougx 
[05:19] <dougx> gooie more Kilos
[05:19] <Kilos> skuus man
[05:19] <Kilos> cremora 
[05:20] <Kilos> i forget who is englikaans and who is afrigish
[05:24] <Kilos> eks nie seker of dit die ouder of die dom is nie
[05:27] <dougx> lol - i'm frenglish
[05:28] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[05:28] <Kilos> you do that parley thing too?
[05:29] <dougx> yes - parlez ( i presume )
[05:30] <Kilos> ya
[05:32] <Kilos> nice now we just need someone that can speak martian
[05:33] <Kilos> who of you's is studying at varsities
[05:34] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> everyone that is still asleep
[05:34] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[05:35] <Kilos> i was just wanting some feedback on why ubuntu is growing so slowly with the freedom toasters at the varsities
[05:36] <Kilos> one would think that everyone there would get ubuntu especially because its free
[05:39] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> freedom toaster? 
[05:39] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> lol
[05:39] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> that is soo old
[05:39] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> we just use ftp.sun directly
[05:39] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> much easier and cheaper
[05:39] <Kilos> dont you know about the freedom toasters Kerbero 
[05:39] <Kilos> oh my
[05:39] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> yes i do
[05:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> and that no-one is using it anymore
[05:40] <Kilos> then whats stopping all the students going ubuntu?
[05:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> they like windows
[05:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> they like gaming
[05:40] <Kilos> eish
[05:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> the others use ubuntu
[05:40] <Kilos> oh ya
[05:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> like me
[05:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> but yes, ubuntu is growing a lot
[05:41] <Kilos> im sure the linux guys are working on the gaming side
[05:41] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> but with all the unity bugs people are a bit more hesitant than in the past
[05:41] <Kilos> there was someone here about a year ago that gamed on ubuntu all the time
[05:41] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> to reach more people the default install should word
[05:41] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> *work
[05:41] <Kilos> ya
[05:41] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> and with unity it is not always the case
[05:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> i did play my fare share of games in ubuntu
[05:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> but i don't like gaming
[05:42] <Kilos> methinks unity shoulda been stabilised before they switched
[05:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> yeah
[05:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> and don't understand me wrong, i like unity
[05:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> i have it on both my netbook and pc
[05:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> but it is buggy
[05:43] <Kilos> and if you not an IT guy then its hassles
[05:43] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> and having to restart my computer because things started to lagg is not nice
[05:43] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> exactly
[05:43] <Kilos> ya but dont forget the common message on windows
[05:44] <Kilos> you have moved your mouse windows needs to restart
[05:44] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> lol
[05:45] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> yes but seriously now, these day one can get much better uptime from a winXP or win7 install than a ubuntu 11.10 or 11.04 install
[05:45] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> my 10.04 boxes are stable though
[05:45] <Kilos> at least here i can install stuff and it works immediately
[05:45] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> i heard people say that of windows
[05:45] <Kilos> what do you mean by uptime?
[05:45] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> and i had it myself too
[05:46] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> type uptime in a terminal
[05:46] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> time between restarts
[05:46] <Kilos> na i got my daughter in aus to install pidgin on xp and it didnt work till restarting
[05:47] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> weird
[05:47] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> especially for something FOSS like pidgin
[05:47] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ uptime
[05:47] <Kilos>  07:47:11 up  1:28,  3 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.09
[05:47] <Kilos> what does that mean
[05:47] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> almost 8 hours
[05:48] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> the best i got here in my flat was 100 days
[05:48] <Kilos> for who or what
[05:49] <Kilos> i havent been on for 8 hours
[05:49] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> no
[05:49] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> i read it wrong
[05:49] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> it is now 7:47
[05:49] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> and the system has been up for 1:28
[05:50] <Kilos> and where are the 3 users
[05:50] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> open terminals? system users (daemons)?
[05:50] <Kilos> ah
[05:51] <Kilos> oh like my evolution xchat and 1 terminal
[05:51] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> hmm
[05:51] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> no i don't think so
[05:51] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> i had a terminal open and xchat and only had one user
[05:52] <Kilos> oh and iftop is running
[05:52] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> that needs sudo
[05:52] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> so yes
[05:52] <Kilos> ya
[05:52] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> that counts i guess
[06:18] <Kilos> hi fulcrum 
[06:18] <fulcrum> mourning
[06:19] <fulcrum> so... whats new?
[06:23] <Kilos> why you mourning
[06:25] <Kilos> peeps getting ready to go home for the hols
[06:26] <Kilos> thats about all thats new methinks
[06:26] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> aren't they already on holiday?
[06:27] <Kilos> ?
[06:27] <Kilos> you tell me
[06:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:29] <Kilos> hiya superfly all well there?
[06:29] <superfly> Kilos: mostly
[06:30] <Kilos> whats news superfly 
[06:30] <Kilos> any prospects
[06:31] <superfly> Kilos: not really... haven't had anyone ask me to come for an interview yet
[06:31] <Kilos> what about the old place or isnt that an option?
[06:32] <fulcrum> not mourning anything
[06:33] <fulcrum> Kilos:  what peeps are getting ready for the hols from where?
[06:33] <fulcrum> superfly:  where are you?
[06:34] <Kilos> i thought all the students were and also the guys who work at companies that close down over the festive season
[06:34] <superfly> fulcrum: cape town
[06:36] <fulcrum> superfly:  ah 'k
[06:36]  * fulcrum is also looking for new employment
[06:37] <Kilos> superfly, have you thought about freelancing
[06:38] <Kilos> or even opening your own shop?
[06:38] <superfly> Kilos: yes, there's not enough work
[06:38] <Kilos> eish
[06:38] <fulcrum> superfly:  Kilos doing linux stuff or ...?
[06:38] <superfly> I'd need to make a bunch of business contacts first, and I don't have time for that, I need food on my table
[06:38] <superfly> fulcrum: Python development
[06:39] <fulcrum> aaah... 
[06:39] <Kilos> fulcrum, any IT work
[06:39] <Kilos> even windows if need be
[06:39] <superfly> fulcrum: my job title at my previous company was Application Architect
[06:39] <Kilos> if there isnt linux work then fixing windows pcs can still keep one going
[06:41] <fulcrum> superfly:  where did you work before?
[06:41] <superfly> ČareerJunction
[06:41] <fulcrum> Kilos:  you working or also looking?
[06:41] <fulcrum> superfly:  thats... ironic?
[06:41] <Kilos> fulcrum, na i old already
[06:42] <fulcrum> retired? ;-P
[06:42] <Kilos> um
[06:42] <Kilos> disabled kinda
[06:43] <fulcrum> oooh ok on disability?
[06:43] <Kilos> na
[06:43] <Kilos> workmans comp too fulla to get things going
[06:44] <fulcrum> superfly:  have you looked at those places where they put up work and you bid on it... 
[06:44] <superfly> fulcrum: Kilos took a knock to the head a number of years ago, but the government didn't accept his claim/application
[06:44] <fulcrum> cant remember them now...
[06:44] <Kilos> gave up after 5 years of trying to get a disability pension
[06:44] <superfly> fulcrum: no, I haven't
[06:44] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[06:44] <fulcrum> Kilos:  so how you coping now?
[06:44] <Kilos> my sister supports me fulcrum 
[06:45] <Kilos> and i help out on the plot where i can
[06:45] <Kilos> and fix her windows pc 
[06:45] <Kilos> hehe
[06:45] <fulcrum> cool, good to have family
[06:46] <fulcrum> wheres your plot
[06:46] <Kilos> just west of pretoria
[06:46] <Kilos> family is everything
[06:46] <fulcrum> yer, got 2 boys and another on the way
[06:47] <fulcrum> partly the reason I need another job closer to home
[06:47] <Kilos> yeah its no good not being together
[06:48] <fulcrum> you know I missed the birth of my second son... cos I was in pta, and my wife had a precipitate labour in randburg
[06:49] <fulcrum> I still got there before the doctor did though
[06:49] <Kilos> whew
[06:49] <fulcrum> but I should of been there damnit instead of working overtime
[06:50] <Kilos> eish
[06:52] <Kilos> superfly, have you placed your cv with employment agencies
[06:52] <Kilos> only prob is they get hits from all over the world
[06:55] <fulcrum> superfly:  you only looking local?
[06:56] <fulcrum> I assume you have googled python jobs
[07:00] <fulcrum> mmm never heard of careerjet before...
[07:26] <inetpro> zeref: 30/11 22:36:49 <zeref> hmmm
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Tonberry inetpro 
[07:27] <Tonberry> more
[07:32] <inetpro> heh, good morning everyone
[07:32] <inetpro> Happy Mailman Day!
[07:32] <Kilos> haha
[07:32] <Kilos> whats that inetpro 
[07:33] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't subscribe to mailing lists?
[07:33] <Kilos> only ours
[07:34] <Kilos> actually have had one for quite a while now
[07:34] <inetpro> Mailman is a popular mailing list manager and every 1st of the month you get password reminders from all those lists you subscribed to
[07:34] <Kilos> eish
[07:37] <inetpro> Kerbero / Kerbero[hp-nb]: wb
[07:37] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> thnx
[07:38] <inetpro> what's with the nick?
[07:38] <Kilos> lol
[07:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> hp-netbook
[07:40] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> was too long
[07:41] <fulcrum> anyone had a look at this... http://www.ftacademy.com
[07:41] <fulcrum> heheh
[07:41] <inetpro> Kerbero[hp-nb]: ahh
[07:41] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> fulcrum: het jy nie werk om te doen nie :P
[07:42] <fulcrum> in fact I do
[07:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> is jy pada se boetie?
[07:42] <fulcrum> doubtful
[07:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> ok
[07:42] <fulcrum> this isnt the fulcrum you looking for ;-P
[07:42] <Kerbero[hp-nb]> hehe
[07:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos 
[07:48] <kbmonkey> hoe gaan dit oom?
[07:48] <Kilos> yessir
[07:48] <Kilos> hows ya
[07:49] <Kilos> goed en self
[07:49] <Kilos> wen jy daar
[07:52] <Kilos> grrrr
[07:52] <Kilos> kbmonkey, 
[07:52] <Kilos> hehe\
[07:56] <kbmonkey> ag so very busy Kilos
[07:57] <Kilos> thats good?
[07:57] <Kilos> i hope
[07:57] <kbmonkey> its good
[07:58] <kbmonkey> and yourself?
[07:59] <kbmonkey> i so miss my internet!
[07:59] <Kilos> you still havent got sorted yet
[07:59] <kbmonkey> no geek news, no slashdot, no irc, madness I tell you
[07:59] <Kilos> thats bad
[07:59] <kbmonkey> ha ha you know how telkom runs ;)
[08:00] <Kilos> eish
[08:00] <kbmonkey> ten minutes on a call, then they say im in the wrong dept cos their answering masjien is such a mess of options
[08:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[08:01] <Kilos> sounds like vodacom
[08:01] <kbmonkey> then another ten and they cut me off due to 'technical difficulties' (read: incompetence)
[08:01] <Kilos> they keep transferring me to other sections
[08:01] <Kilos> but after 5 months of bitching they actually sending someone here today to test
[08:02] <kbmonkey> yesh they have an intricate network of options and misguided answers to keep you on the call for long as possible
[08:02] <kbmonkey> it's kinda like... pergatory?
[08:02] <Kilos> ya maddening
[08:02] <kbmonkey> the seventh circle of hell
[08:02] <Kilos> hehe
[08:03] <kbmonkey> somewhere between lawyers and apple consultants
[08:04] <Kilos> eish lawyers
[08:04] <Kilos> prokerowers
[08:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, wb
[08:36] <kbmonkey> sorry got dc
[08:36] <kbmonkey> ran out of battery
[08:36] <kbmonkey> will have to run just now, got to paint some more walls :D
[08:37] <kbmonkey> have a good one ubuntu-za
[08:38] <Kilos> you too laddy
[08:38] <Kilos> good luck with everything you try
[08:40] <kbmonkey> thanks oom :)
[10:10] <Kilos> yay vodacom fixed their power and even came to test from here
[10:11] <Kilos> with my modem as well
[10:13] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[10:13] <Kilos> how far are your queries with them
[10:14] <inetpro> heh Kilos, and did they fix anything?
[10:14] <Kilos> well i am getting 80% signal strenght on my nm
[10:15] <inetpro> Kilos: wow, how are your packet losses now?
[10:15] <Kilos> and shows hsdpa on their windows xp lappy
[10:15] <Kilos> wait i check
[10:16] <Kilos> some 0% and others at 20% and here and there 80%
[10:17] <inetpro> eish
[10:17] <inetpro> what did he say about that?
[10:18] <Kilos> he says most of their probs are because telkom does the connection to the tower
[10:19] <Kilos> vodacom is busy upgrading their towers to optic fibre then he says signal will fly
[10:20] <Kilos> but i have his fone number so if it drops i goona bomb him direct
[10:20] <Kilos> lo bakuman 
[10:21] <Kilos> inetpro, he says telkom is whats holding them back at the moment
[10:21] <inetpro> Kilos: haha, good excuse
[10:22] <Kilos> he showed me my modem can do 3m/s
[10:22] <inetpro> the packet losses are between the tower and your modem
[10:22] <Kilos> yeah but thats the sa way
[10:22] <Kilos> pass the buck
[10:23] <inetpro> what strings did you pull in order to get him there?
[10:23]  * inetpro is still waiting
[10:23] <Kilos> i mailed their CEO
[10:23] <inetpro> sjoe
[10:23] <Kilos> told you to do the same
[10:23] <inetpro> hmm... maybe that's what we need to do then
[10:24] <Kilos> you can just complain to him on twitter
[10:24] <zeref> hurrrmmmm
[10:24] <Kilos> i got his twiiter id and mail addies if you interested
[10:24] <Kilos> lo zeref 
[10:24] <zeref> lo Kilos 
[10:25] <zeref> just watched a sick movie, Antitrust
[10:25] <zeref> "Human Knowledge belongs to he world"
[10:25] <Kilos> zeref, i have a ibm P3 you can have if you like
[10:25] <Kilos> just needs ram
[10:26] <inetpro> Kilos: so do you see a difference with your connectivity?
[10:26] <Kilos> yeah
[10:26] <Kilos> mail comes quick now again like 6 months ago
[10:26] <zeref> hmmm, ram for p3, thats expensive
[10:26] <inetpro> cool
[10:26] <zeref> how much ram do you have atm?
[10:27] <Kilos> i will have to go check it zeref . i think i took it all out for my P4
[10:27] <zeref> kk
[10:32] <Kilos> sorry zeref its all in here
[10:34] <zeref> :P
[10:34] <Kilos> pieter@vodacom.co.za
[10:34] <Kilos> ceo@vodacom.co.za
[10:34] <Kilos> http://twitter.com/#!/uyspj
[10:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[10:35] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[10:35] <Kilos> yw
[10:35] <Kilos> oh no 
[10:35] <Kilos> np
[10:35] <Kilos> hehe
[10:36] <inetpro> Kilos: remind me to mail him on Saturday, or Monday
[10:36] <Kilos> they also said that a booster helps if you got a very weak signal
[10:36] <inetpro> to busy here
[10:36] <Kilos> ok will try member for you
[10:43] <Kilos> bbl
[10:46] <fulcrum> superfly:  have you seen this?  http://www.careerjet.co.za/python-jobs.html
[10:49] <superfly> fulcrum: yup, but I'll look again
[10:52] <fulcrum> cool
[10:59] <superfly> fulcrum: careerjet btw, is just an aggregator, they pull jobs from various sites
[11:00] <fulcrum> yeah I noticed...
[11:01] <fulcrum> superfly:  seems to do a decent job of it :-)
[11:51] <inetpro> superfly: can't you do freelancing for canonical?
[11:51] <superfly> inetpro: do they need someone?
[11:51] <inetpro> surely drussell should be able to lign you up with something? :-)
[11:53] <drussell> we're always after talent! https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/jobSearch.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1
[11:53] <inetpro> superfly: or ask around in the #ubuntu-community-team 
[11:55] <inetpro> superfly: I believe you have the right skills to make a difference 
[11:55] <superfly> drussell: hrm, that looks interesting
[12:00] <superfly> drussell: where are you based?
[12:02] <drussell> superfly: personally I'm based in the UK
[12:02] <superfly> ah right, I see so
[12:16] <drussell> superfly: another option would be to consider some of our partners in SA... LSD or Obsidian
[12:17] <superfly> drussell: yeah, the only problem is that most of them are based in Joburg, and I'm in Cape Town
[12:17] <superfly> but I'll investigate
[13:57] <fulcrum> arent there a lot of startups in cape town?
[14:54] <Kilos> go home safe all you workers
[14:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:54]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:57] <superfly> hey Kilos
[14:57] <Kilos> hey superfly 
[14:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:58] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:58] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> hallooooo
[18:23] <Kilos> shame poor afrodeity asked for help last night and everyone ignored him
[18:32] <Kilos> inetpro, must i just remind you to mail them or must i remember where those addresses are so that i cant give them to you again on saterday
[18:34] <zeref> hmmmm
[18:34] <zeref> 1gb ram R500
[18:34] <zeref> for p3
[18:34] <zeref> FFFFFFUUUUUUUU
[18:34] <Kilos> where from zeref 
[18:35] <zeref> some comp shop next to campus
[18:36] <Kilos> cheaper than when i got. maybe they starting to worroy that just now they gonna sit with it
[18:36] <Kilos> but shop around
[18:36] <Kilos> try find someone near the dumps to check for thrown away pcs every coupla days
[18:37] <Kilos> its sdr hey
[18:37] <Kilos> not ddr
[18:38] <zeref> meh, think i'll just get a new momboard
[18:38] <Kilos> if you can get one with ram and cpu go for it
[18:39] <Kilos> i have one i was planning to upgrade with but dual dore cpu's arent cheap either
[18:39] <Kilos> or core 2 i think its called
[18:40] <zeref> upgrading is an investment
[18:40] <Kilos> yeah
[18:41] <zeref> then put debian on it xD
[18:41] <Kilos> i think a core 2 duo with 2g ram will fly with ubuntu
[18:41] <Kilos> and leave ubuntu?
[18:41] <Kilos> whew
[18:42] <zeref> this pc will still use ubunttu
[18:42] <Kilos> ah ok
[18:42] <zeref> but the server will be debian
[18:43] <zeref> but i am think of going back to debian
[18:43] <Kilos> as a server you dont need much ram
[18:43] <zeref> *thinking
[18:43] <Kilos> superfly, ran an old pc with min ram as a server
[18:44] <zeref> yeah it is possible
[18:44] <superfly> Kilos: ran? I still run a server with 128 megs of RAM
[18:44] <Kilos> there you go zeref 
[18:44] <Kilos> its the gui that eats ram
[18:44] <zeref> at the shop they did not have 256 or 512
[18:44] <Kilos> am i right
[18:45] <Kilos> do they have 1g sdr ram cards?
[18:46] <zeref> out of stock
[18:46] <Kilos> you can google
[18:46] <zeref> hmmm, bday is next week, i'll ask folks for a old pc
[18:46] <Kilos> look for chinese pc shops
[18:46] <zeref> lulz, forgot bout my bday :P
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> i saw an add somewhere sometime back
[18:48] <Kilos> there are mpeeps that sell P4's for a grand
[18:48] <Kilos> think they were in the cape but it said postage included
[18:49] <Kilos> or look on gumtree
[18:49] <Kilos> always stuff for sale there
[18:49] <zeref> hmmm
[18:50] <zeref> 01001111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 
[18:50] <zeref> ffs, wrong chact
[18:51] <Kilos> what you working out?
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <zeref> playing around with bit shifting
[18:52] <zeref> with a homiw
[18:52] <zeref> *homie
[18:53] <Kilos> superfly, do you know whats happening with our monthly meeting
[18:54] <Kilos> im scared i missed something with being offline so much
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: I haven't seen one for a while
[18:55] <Kilos> yeah we missed this months one then i saw a mail from kbmonkey asking if anyone would arange one
[18:55] <Kilos> so nothing has happened
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe we wait till apie gets connected
[18:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:56] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: I couldn't help with the last one, that was about the time I got back from the USA
[19:21] <superfly> this next one I could probably chair
[19:21] <Kilos> does it matter if we skip a month superfly 
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: not really
[19:22] <Kilos> not gonna affect membership or something
[19:22] <superfly> no
[19:22] <Kilos> ah ok ty
[19:22] <superfly> it'll only affect membership if we meet inconsistently, or stop meeting all together
[19:22] <Kilos> oh thats ok then ty superfly 
[19:23] <Kilos> i go sleep now. you guys all sleep tight