[01:59] <phillw> DragonEyes: how are you today?
[01:59] <DragonEyes> phillw: I am functioning within normal parameters.
[01:59] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[03:27] <rxMokka> howdy fellows, does lubuntu ship with python on the livecd?
[03:56] <wizonesolutions> I installed Lubuntu on a box I was using as kind of a mix between a development workstation and server, but I want to go clean and not have a window manager on it...what's the easiest way to go about this?
[03:56] <wizonesolutions> Can I just apt-get install ubuntu-server? It's already 10.04. But metapackages usually don't uninstall stuff, so wondering what I have to remove
[03:56] <wizonesolutions> Or if there is a way to figure out everything window manager-related.
[03:57] <Unit193> !purelxde | Just remove all the LXDE stuff, and don't install the *-desktop package (won't remove it all, not made for that)
[03:58] <Unit193> Errr... Better try !purexfce of such as that doesn't remove LXDE :P
[03:59] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: uninstalling xorg will pull off ALOT of stuff that depends on it
[04:00] <wizonesolutions> Unit193: Thanks! I only see instructions for 10.10, no earlier. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdemaverick
[04:00] <wizonesolutions> I want to remove LXDE in this case :)
[04:01] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka: Thanks, will keep that in mind
[04:02] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: do you want to remove lxde for space conservation reasons or what?
[04:02] <Unit193> rxMokka: Try it, just don't confirm ;)
[04:03] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: if you have plenty room, leave it ;) you might want to VNC in one day and use a GUI file manager to quickly browse through some complex directory structure
[04:03] <Unit193> wizonesolutions: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcemaverick that has the line to remove LXDE, just don't install xubuntu-desktop (It's not quite what you want, but it doesn't have one for LXDE on Lucid)
[04:03] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka Unit193 Nah, I'm running a Web server and should never really have been running a window manager. Plus the box only has a gig, so I would rather free up more memory and access it with SSH from my newly set up workstation, which is more appropriate.
[04:03] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka: With SSHFS I will be able to accomplish that :)
[04:05] <Unit193> If that's really what you want, I recommend you backup and fresh install (Or wait it out 'til the next LTS, it's not too far now)
[04:05] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: that's true about sshfs. however if you boot to text-only mode you won't have any concerns of ram-memory with leaving lxde in place. it'll only eat up some of your hard drive space
[04:06] <wizonesolutions> Unit193 rxMokka True, it might be more hassle than it's worth. How can I change my default session to text-only? Do I do that in my GRUB configuration?
[04:06] <wizonesolutions> i.e. skip the graphical login prompt
[04:08] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: I can't speak for recent ubuntu releases, but in most distros you can append the number "2" to the end of your grub kernel options line to boot into runlevel 2
[04:08] <wizonesolutions> rxMokka: Ah, start in runlevel 2 essentially.
[04:09] <rxMokka> wizonesolutions: many distros let you select runlevel in /etc/inittab, such as changing the 4 to 2 in a line like id:4:initdefault:
[04:14] <wizonesolutions> For the curious, http://andrew.org/index.php/archives/2010/05/07/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-boot-in-text-mode/ :)
[07:48] <faLUCE>  Hi. I installed lubuntu 11.10 on a Intel BOXDG41AN mini-itx mobo (with Pentium dual core E5700). Then I installed few programs and created my own live distro, lubuntu 11.10 based, with Remastersys. Then I booted on another pc (Intel DH67CF LGA-1155 mini itx mobo, with cpu i5 2400) with this distro but the graphic card does not work. I can make it work only at low resolution with nomodeset. The rest is ok  How can I solve? Where can be the problem?
[08:07] <bioterror> faLUCE, if graphics card doesnt work, you should consider replacing it
[08:08] <faLUCE> bioterror: it works. I tested it with another live distro and it works
[08:56] <bioterror> faLUCE, so is it lubuntu specific?
[08:56] <faLUCE> bioterror: no, it's generc
[09:03] <bioterror> faLUCE, did disabling kms help?
[09:03] <faLUCE> bioterror: I used nomodeset at boot
[09:03] <faLUCE> and it worked
[09:29] <head_victim> faLUCE: the problem is likely to stem from the process of creating your own livecd based upon different hardware. I'm not an expert on the topic but I'd suggest looking into that avenue.
[09:30] <head_victim> faLUCE: the real question I guess is, was the purpose of the livecd just to "back up" the other computer or is it intended for mass distribution?
[11:26] <Newk> hi.. on lubuntu website it states "desktop" on the ISO's does that mean there not the ones to use for laptops?
[11:26] <bioterror> Newk, it means it will be "desktop" as in graphical interface
[11:27] <Newk> doh, i feel a bit stupid now.. haha
[11:27] <Newk> thanks!
[13:07] <faLUCE> how can I backup xorg configuration? I don't have xorg.conf
[13:08] <head_victim> xorg configs are generally not required anymore
[13:35] <DanielSenat> Hi, I can't run my lubuntu program central
[13:37] <DanielSenat> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty followed this guide to change from xubuntu to lubuntu
[13:37] <DanielSenat> I am on 10.04
[14:31] <faLUCE>  I don't see the screen. here's dmesg:   http://pastebin.com/NEX8aPnD  and xorg's log:  http://pastebin.com/a2EY0mf9 where can be the problem ?
[14:46] <head_victim> faLUCE: it's hard to say without knowing what it was you changed when you "created your own live distro" in remastersys. Is there any reason you don't just install Lubuntu on the other computer and install the programs again?
[14:47] <faLUCE> head_victim: I did not change anything. just installed two programs (vlc and kate)
[14:48] <head_victim> Copying a system from one set of hardware to another is complicating matters is all. To me the easiest solution is install Lubuntu and then install vlc and kate. Who knows what sort of driver issues you are having due to the hardware changes.
[14:50] <head_victim> If you can install normal Lubuntu on the machine without any problems but the livecd you created doesn't work then really your only option is to ask the people who make remastersys why it didn't work.
[14:50] <faLUCE> head_victim: can I install software on the live cd and then use the modified live cd ?
[14:51] <head_victim> You can install to USB and use persistent mode
[14:51] <faLUCE> yes, I used wrong expression "live cd"
[14:51] <faLUCE> what is persistent mode?
[14:52] <head_victim> It means you can make changes and it will save them
[14:52] <faLUCE> how can I activate it?
[14:53] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[14:55] <faLUCE> head_victim: if I only install user space programs, and configure the desktop, should the new live usb work on all the machines where a non-modified live usb does work?
[14:55] <faLUCE> with the persistent mode
[14:55] <head_victim> faLUCE: In my experience, yes.
[14:56] <head_victim> But the hardware I've tested it on is all very similar so I'm not 100% certain how it goes on completely different hardware. Let us know how it goes though
[14:56] <head_victim> DanielSenat: What do you mean by "Lubuntu program central"?
[14:56] <DanielSenat> software central..̈́
[14:56] <DanielSenat> sorry
[14:57] <head_victim> Ah I don't think 10.04 has the lubuntu software centre
[14:57] <DanielSenat> ok that's why
[14:57] <faLUCE> head_victim: sorry if I insist, but I need to know if it works for "live" or for an installation too?   I mean: if I boot with modified live usb, then I see modifications on the live mode. Then, is still available the "install" applications which installs the modifications too ?
[14:57] <head_victim> DanielSenat: I'm just double checking but I think that's it
[14:58] <DanielSenat> I did install ubuntu software central and my computer went crazy
[14:58] <DanielSenat> going from 130 cold start to over 200
[14:59] <DanielSenat> I deleted it and did autoremove, but still my computer is working a bit more
[15:01] <head_victim> If DanielSenat comes back let him know that according to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa the Lubuntu software centre is only available for natty, oneiric and precise.
[15:02] <head_victim> If DanielSenat comes back let him know that according to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa the Lubuntu software centre is only available for natty, oneiric and precise.
[15:02] <head_victim> :)
[15:02] <DanielSenat> head_victim, restarted my computer and now back om 127 MB at the beginning :)
[15:02] <head_victim> faLUCE: it should work, that link I gave you should have a definitive answer though
[15:02] <DanielSenat> thank's
[15:02] <DanielSenat> I have natty
[15:02] <DanielSenat> !=.04
[15:02] <DanielSenat> 10.04
[15:02] <DanielSenat> So it should be..
[15:03] <head_victim> You probably need to add the lubuntu ppa then
[15:03] <DanielSenat> Well i guess I have
[15:03] <DanielSenat> But I am not sure
[15:03] <holstein> DanielSenat: 10.04 is lucid
[15:03] <DanielSenat> true
[15:04] <head_victim> And on that note, I was meant to go to bed hours ago
[15:04] <head_victim> (It's 1am here)
[15:04] <DanielSenat> I was on lucid until yesterday ( xubuntu) but i changed over to lubuntu. following this guide http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty
[15:04] <head_victim> If you're stuck and no one is around to help just send the mailing list and email and I'm sure osmeone will help out
[15:05] <head_victim> DanielSenat: purelxde is not lubuntu though
[15:05] <DanielSenat> cool
[15:05] <DanielSenat> but i have lubuntu desktop
[15:05] <head_victim> lubuntu uses lxde as well setting up other parts of the system
[15:05] <head_victim> holstein might be able to give you more help if needed
[15:05] <head_victim> Cheerio
[15:05] <DanielSenat> Good night!
[15:06] <holstein> head_victim: o/
[15:06] <head_victim> faLUCE: I hope it works out for you
[15:06] <DanielSenat> hehe
[15:06] <DanielSenat> I hope everything got right yesterday, it seems so
[15:06] <holstein> DanielSenat: 10.04 is lucid, and you have LXDE or whatever, but the base is still 10.04 lucid
[15:06] <faLUCE> head_victim: let's try
[15:06] <DanielSenat> Cool
[15:07] <DanielSenat> It seems so anyway
[15:07] <DanielSenat> I mean 11.04
[15:07] <DanielSenat> natty
[15:07] <DanielSenat> I am on natty
[15:08] <DanielSenat> until yesterday I had xubuntu
[15:08] <DanielSenat> But followed the guide  from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty
[15:09] <DanielSenat> I got some problem with gdm but i sorted it out
[15:09] <holstein> DanielSenat: what are you wanting?
[15:09] <DanielSenat> I can't use lubuntu software center
[15:09] <DanielSenat> Doesn't start
[15:09] <holstein> DanielSenat: whats the error?
[15:09] <holstein> what is the lubuntu software center?
[15:09] <faLUCE> head_victim: your link says "erase the disk and set the degree of persistence " and usb-creator-gtk has this option "when starting up from this disk, docs and setting will be 1) stored in reserved extra space 2) discarded in shutdown"  .... is 1) the option to set the degree of persistence?
[15:09] <holstein> you mean, the normal software center?
[15:10] <holstein> if you want to manager packages, i would try synaptic
[15:10] <holstein> manage*
[15:10] <DanielSenat> synaptic works fine
[15:11] <holstein> if you open a terminal, and try running the software center from there, gksudo whatever, then you should get some feedback as to what the issue is
[15:11] <DanielSenat> i will pastebinit
[15:12] <holstein> personally, i dont do persistent USB's.. i just install to the USB drive as a target, and put grub on there, making it where when i select the USB to boot from the bios or whatever, i end up with a full normal install with a regular user account
[15:13] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/wiGN9M5J
[15:14] <holstein> i dont know what the 'lubuntu-software-center' is actually, but if synaptic is working, i would go for that
[15:14] <DanielSenat> And the terminal
[15:14] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:15] <holstein> at least go in somewhere and make sure you have no broken packages, or missing unconfigured whatevers
[15:15] <DanielSenat> So I guess i won't bother then
[15:15] <holstein> i would try reinstalling it
[15:15] <DanielSenat> Tried million times
[15:15] <holstein> i would try making another user account, and see if all is well there
[15:15] <DanielSenat> 5 times ;)
[15:15] <DanielSenat> My user account was made in xubuntu
[15:16] <holstein> DanielSenat: right, im proposing a new one
[15:16] <DanielSenat> users and groups
[15:16] <holstein> you can delete it afterwards
[15:16] <DanielSenat> the old one?
[15:16] <holstein> DanielSenat: ?
[15:17] <DanielSenat> Will the passwords work correctly and everything?
[15:17] <holstein> if the new one works, you'll have an idea about how to fix the old one
[15:17] <DanielSenat> I guess you have, I don't ;)
[15:17] <holstein> you'll konw its a user config file in /home somewhere... or at least thats a good place to start
[15:17] <holstein> DanielSenat: all you can do here is troubleshoot
[15:18] <DanielSenat> holstein, Thank's, i will try
[15:18] <holstein> i usually just add users like... sudo adduser whoever
[15:19] <holstein> DanielSenat: theres also...
[15:19] <holstein> holstein@atlas:~$ apt-cache search canberra-gtk-module
[15:19] <holstein> libcanberra-gtk-module - translates Gtk+ widgets signals to event sounds
[15:20] <DanielSenat> should i run those?
[15:20] <holstein> ^^ could be as easy as installing that, if im interpretting that error message correctly
[15:21] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:24] <DanielSenat> I have libcanberra-gtk-module installed
[15:24]  * holstein high-fives DanielSenat 
[15:25] <DanielSenat> there is one for gtk3 also, not installed
[15:25] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:25] <holstein> i would like to say something like 'it wont hurt to install that to'... but...
[15:26] <DanielSenat> and there is a libcanberra-gtk-module-dbg
[15:26] <holstein> DanielSenat: its not going to hurt to install one, and test
[15:26] <holstein> then, decide from there if you want to install another
[15:26] <DanielSenat> I am trying
[15:26] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:29] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/ieqw7xT8
[15:30] <DanielSenat> doesn't work but maybe it changed something
[15:33] <holstein> RepositoryError: Requiring namespace 'Gtk' version '2.0', but '3.0' is already loaded
[15:35] <DanielSenat> ok so I should uninstall libcanberra-gtk3-module
[15:35] <DanielSenat> I guess
[15:36] <holstein> DanielSenat: also, you should try the lubuntu live CD
[15:36] <DanielSenat> I don't have it
[15:36] <holstein> its free to download :)
[15:37] <DanielSenat> But I can get it ofcourse
[15:37] <DanielSenat> :)
[15:37] <DanielSenat> Do I have to reinstall?
[15:37] <holstein> DanielSenat: to try it LIVE?
[15:37] <holstein> you dont have to do anything
[15:37] <DanielSenat> ok
[15:41] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/gFQ32JGG
[15:41] <holstein> you have a repository error
[15:41] <holstein> RepositoryError: Requiring namespace 'Gtk' version '2.0', but '3.0' is already loaded
[15:42] <holstein> seem to me that lubuntu-software-center is gtk2? and you have 3?
[15:42] <holstein> not sure, but if you run lubuntu live from CD, you should be able to see what is supposed to be happening
[15:43] <holstein> you can decide from there what you would like to do about it
[15:43] <holstein> personally, i wouldnt lose sleep over the software center
[15:43] <DanielSenat> OK thank's maybe I can install gtk 2.0 only
[15:43] <DanielSenat> But I get the point :)
[15:45] <holstein> DanielSenat: if you had come to me yesterday or whenever, i would have said.. install lubuntu-desktop
[15:45] <DanielSenat> Well i did, and then i deleted a buch of stuff following the guide i posted
[15:46] <DanielSenat> And, my computer uses less memory now
[15:46] <holstein> this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxdenatty is not a guide for changing xubuntu to lubuntu
[15:46] <DanielSenat> from 150 MB to 120-130 MB
[15:46] <DanielSenat> I did install lubuntu desktop first
[15:47] <DanielSenat> I see, but a guide non the less ;)
[15:47] <holstein> DanielSenat: and you plan on filling up those saved 20-30 MB's with the software center :)
[15:47] <DanielSenat> hehe
[15:48] <DanielSenat> Its a good point
[15:48] <holstein> stock lubuntu is quite lean
[15:48] <DanielSenat> stock?
[15:49] <holstein> like, right out of the box, installed lubuntu
[15:49] <holstein> if you are worried about 20mb's of ram, you might want to try puppy linux
[15:50] <holstein> there are leaner OS's than lubuntu, but few as well balanced
[15:50] <holstein> i find it lean, and elegant
[15:51] <DanielSenat> ok, i like it the way it is now
[15:51] <holstein> you can take lubuntu and add things to it though, and make it hog like the normal buntu's
[15:51] <DanielSenat> yes
[15:51] <holstein> not that the buntu's are hogs... im just saying...
[15:51] <DanielSenat> mm
[15:52] <DanielSenat> Do i have lubuntu now? fully?
[15:52] <DanielSenat> Can i see that somehow?
[15:52] <ikonia> you'll stuggle to find something as usable and lightweight as lubuntu
[15:52] <holstein> DanielSenat: you are the only one that knows... if you have the lubuntu-desktop metapackage installed, that *should* be all of it
[15:53] <DanielSenat> then i am hehe
[15:53] <DanielSenat> I have
[15:53] <DanielSenat> i mean..
[15:53] <holstein> if it were me, and i run sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, and it returns something like "all that is installed" then thats lubuntu
[15:54] <DanielSenat> lubuntu-desktop är redan den senaste versionen.
[15:54] <DanielSenat> lubuntu-desktop is already the latest version
[15:54] <holstein> there *should* be nothing left to do
[15:55] <DanielSenat> Well internet works so :)
[15:55] <holstein> you might still have extra things installed from xubuntu or whatever, but i wouldnt expect that stuff to load
[15:55] <DanielSenat> And everything else but software...
[15:55] <holstein> i wouldnt expect cleaning pacakges to really help with memory
[15:55] <holstein> i would expect that to help with hard drive space
[15:56] <DanielSenat> How do i see all the things loaded?
[15:56] <DanielSenat> as -M or something?
[15:57] <holstein> top
[15:58] <DanielSenat> it doesn't show everything
[15:58] <holstein> ps aux
[15:58] <holstein> DanielSenat: top is showing everything
[15:59] <DanielSenat> ok
[15:59] <DanielSenat> but it changes continously so i can't pastebin it
[16:03] <DanielSenat> http://pastebin.com/r7U8pQi0
[16:06] <DanielSenat> holstein, does it look good?
[16:06] <faLUCE> head_victim: I followed your guid, but it's very obscure. It's not clear how to set the persistent space with usb-creator-gtk. In addition, I saved some files and I see them on the usb live, but if I install the systems, they are not included. why?
[16:07] <DanielSenat> now i am only using 90 MB total :)
[16:07] <DanielSenat> Nice
[16:13] <DanielSenat> from the command top i can see xorg is always a bit busy
[16:15] <faLUCE>  I'm using a live usb ubuntu, created with persistent additional space. Now, If I add files, modify configuration etc., all is persistent in the usb live mode, but If I try to install this "snapshot", all these modifications are not installed. why?
[16:40] <DanielSenat> holstein, http://pastebin.com/i9gBUZ9D
[16:40] <DanielSenat> looks ok?
[16:46] <kristian-aalborg> cheers!
[16:47] <kristian-aalborg> for a laptop w/ 2GHZ and 3 gigs of memory, which is the recommended iso?
[16:49] <kristian-aalborg> ... of the 10.4 variants
[16:50] <holstein> should be fine with any having those specs
[16:51] <holstein> and.. hello, by the way :)
[16:51] <kristian-aalborg> hey holstein
[16:51] <kristian-aalborg> did not know you were in here as well, or maybe I forgot
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> I'm getting the regular one at http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/10.04/lubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> phillw, btw - the link to your page at the Ubuntu wiki is dead
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> also, hi :)
[21:32] <Folklore> what does this use as GUi
[21:32] <Folklore> cause it rocks
[21:32] <bioterror> Openbox + LXDE
[21:32] <wxl> what he said
[21:32]  * wxl is slow on the draw
[21:33] <wxl> lxde + compiz: http://www.mermaid-productions.com/miscjunk/linux/lxde_screenshot1_091709.png
[21:40] <Folklore> thx
[21:48] <Folklore> Peppermint OS is apparently a fork of lubuntu
[21:49] <Folklore> wonder why they'd do that
[21:50] <Folklore> oh cloud focused
[21:51] <phillw> Folklore: because that is the way F/OSS is. We are free to use anything GPL licencesd and make our own version :)
[21:52] <Folklore> I’ve liked Peppermint OS from the beginning. Lubuntu is a light, clean OS, but to me it is just a framework. For those who like a base OS and nothing else, then Lubuntu is pretty good, but for those who want something pre-packaged and ready to go, Peppermint OS is just that.
[21:52] <Folklore> ouch
[21:53] <Folklore> Built nicely on top of Lubuntu, it demonstrates that Lubuntu makes a solid foundation upon which to build your system.
[21:54] <bioterror> Folklore, seems like you've missed the point of peppermint
[21:54] <bioterror> it's a light weight os that provides cloud computing software
[21:54] <bioterror> like google docs and things like that
[21:54] <phillw> Folklore: the whole raison de etre for Lubuntu is that it is a minimalist install?
[21:55]  * phillw bites tongue
[21:55] <Folklore> bioterror yeah and I can't image it runs anything lubuntu could?
[21:55] <Folklore> couldn't rather
[22:59] <Newk> is there some program like alacarte that doesnt use gnome?
[23:00]  * wxl sighs
[23:01] <Unit193> My menu editor is called nano...
[23:01] <wxl> in adding myself to a group i removed myself from sudoers and probably any other group. what are the default groups?
[23:05] <Newk> wxl: wel i like more something GUI like then nano
[23:05] <wxl> don't tell me Newk .. you mean Unit193
[23:05] <wxl> nano's pretty gui compared to vi ;)
[23:06] <Newk> ...
[23:06] <Newk> wxl.. why do you use X at all?
[23:06] <Unit193> unit193 : unit193 adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev admin sambashare x2gousers
[23:06] <wxl> thx Unit193
[23:07] <Unit193> groups unit193
[23:07] <Unit193> wxl: Sure
[23:07] <wxl> Newk: there's plenty of things it's really useful for
[23:07] <wxl> and there are some things that are a pita without a gui
[23:07] <wxl> i'd consider jack amongst them
[23:07] <wxl> and i use jacka lot
[23:09] <Newk> i want to use lubuntu for audio stuff too.. so jack is really usefull for me aswell.. but i dont like to look in all the systemfolders just to edit the menu
[23:09] <wxl> wtf recovery mounts read only?
[23:09] <wxl> ugh
[23:10] <wxl> um
[23:10] <wxl> er
[23:10] <wxl> mount says it's nr
[23:10] <wxl> rw
[23:10] <wxl> makes no sense
[23:11] <wxl> Newk: everything is in /usr/share/applications
[23:11] <wxl> if you open that in pcmanfm then you can, say, copy one of the .desktop files there, rename it, and edit it with leafpad
[23:11] <wxl> so there you go
[23:11] <wxl> same thing only gui
[23:12] <Newk> ah
[23:12] <Newk> i try to remember that for next time
[23:13] <Newk> thanx wxl
[23:15] <Unit193> wxl: Where is it mounted to? You may need sudo
[23:15] <Newk> mm.. just read that xfce have something like alacarte.. i wonder what it is
[23:15] <wxl> it's actually in there phillw
[23:15] <wxl> i just went over there to remind me ;)
[23:15] <Unit193> Newk: LXDE isn't Xfce
[23:16] <Newk> i know.. duh
[23:16] <Newk> i go ask in xfce channel
[23:16] <Unit193> It's a menu editing program though
[23:18] <wxl> /dev/sda1 on /
[23:18] <wxl> no luck with sudo
[23:18] <wxl> :'(
[23:19] <wxl> oh had to remount
[23:19] <wxl> i'm ok now
[23:20] <wxl> that sucked
[23:21] <wxl> ok all better now :)
[23:21]  * wxl goes back to preparing to test precise
[23:23] <wxl> i'm here 24/7
[23:23] <wxl> i'm just not HERE 24/7 ;)
[23:26] <Unit193> Silly wxl, but there is no !monologue ;)
[23:28] <phillw> Unit193: how did get  bodhi_zazen to leave?
[23:28] <Unit193> phillw: He's off work