=== jibel_ is now known as jibel [10:05] AlanBell ping - you tried gdm3? [10:06] hi Fudge, no, don't think I have, just lightdm [10:06] which doesn't work :( [10:07] gdm is worse it seems [10:07] do you have somewhere you can try it? [10:08] the idea was to use gdm for a while till lightdm comes to the party with orca access [10:08] more to the point so i can select unity2d, the command TheMuso gave me to do it I am doing something wrong with loL [10:09] I can try installing it on a precise VM I have here [10:10] sweet thanx [10:10] should be the same state I guess [10:11] to get to unity2d in lightdm it is: tab enter down down enter tab password enter [10:16] oh AlanBell i did not realise i can just cheat and edit lighdm.conf [10:16] I went to do your suggestion but I had autologin turned on, so looking for that config setting found the other one [10:20] wow this is much better in 2d [10:21] quick launcher reads out lots more [10:21] must be difficult to maintain two desktops in essence [10:25] there is a fair bit of common code, I think they were kind of not sure which was the best approach so decided to do both [10:27] i find it strange that 2d works better than 3d [10:27] im just happy now the workspaces work how i expect them to [10:33] great [10:33] I am surprised that 2d ended up working better, I always thought 3d would be the more accessible one, but the Qt stuff actually came together fairly well [10:36] me too [10:38] thats a neet output module for sd you did, very practical uses [10:38] I imagine it could come in quite handy for docs [10:39] yes, also means that someone sighted can just use their application and see afterwards what an unsighted user would have heard [10:39] I guess it also means a deaf person can support a blind person as a niche side effect! [10:39] voiceover has funtionality built in, actually doesn't orca have something similar? [10:40] not really, I asked joanie about it, there is some debug log outputs, but not a clean transcript [10:40] maybe i am thinking of voiceover, cant recall [10:41] lol imagine an upgrade with that [10:41] 3 percent ... 4 percent ... [10:50] AlanBell did you have a chance to check gdm out [10:51] I figured as lightdm is not complete for accessibility people will revert to gdm [10:51] oh, I installed it, let me reboot [10:52] I hope lightdm will be accessible in precise, they wanted to do it for oneiric but ran out of time and there was a problem starting orca over it or something [10:52] ok, it started, no orca though [10:53] no bottom panel where the accessibility stuff used to be [10:55] I can't start orca [10:55] why not? [10:57] from gdm, there is no bottom panel to start it from, switching to a terminal and DISPLAY=:0 orca does not work either [10:57] oh in gdm, not in a session [10:58] indeed, starts fine when I log in from gdm [11:02] mm must be something here then causing my probs [11:02] was looking for at-spi-registryd or something similar to that [11:03] a few times ive ran orca from gnome-terminal and gotten the text setup, even though i already have orca configuration files [11:11] hey joanie how you [11:11] fine thanks. you? [11:11] going good, sorry i havnt sent that email yet [11:11] is it beer-o-clock yet [11:11] no worries [11:11] * joanie is busy working on other stuff [11:12] no good mate === jbuchanan is now known as jbuchanan-lunch === jbuchanan-lunch is now known as jbuchanan