[10:05] <Fudge> AlanBell  ping - you tried gdm3?
[10:06] <AlanBell> hi Fudge, no, don't think I have, just lightdm
[10:06] <AlanBell> which doesn't work :(
[10:07] <Fudge> gdm is worse it seems
[10:07] <Fudge> do you have somewhere you can try it?
[10:08] <Fudge> the idea was to use gdm for a while till lightdm comes to the party with orca access
[10:08] <Fudge> more to the point so i can select unity2d, the command TheMuso  gave me to do it I am doing something wrong with loL
[10:09] <AlanBell> I can try installing it on a precise VM I have here
[10:10] <Fudge> sweet thanx
[10:10] <Fudge> should be the same state I guess
[10:11] <AlanBell> to get to unity2d in lightdm it is: tab enter down down enter tab password enter
[10:16] <Fudge> oh AlanBell  i did not realise i can just cheat and edit lighdm.conf
[10:16] <Fudge> I went to do your suggestion but I had autologin turned on, so looking for  that config setting found the other one
[10:20] <Fudge> wow this is much better in 2d
[10:21] <Fudge> quick launcher reads out lots more
[10:21] <Fudge> must be difficult to maintain two desktops in essence
[10:25] <AlanBell> there is a fair bit of common code, I think they were kind of not sure which was the best approach so decided to do both
[10:27] <Fudge> i find it strange that 2d works better than 3d
[10:27] <Fudge> im just happy now the workspaces work how i expect them to 
[10:33] <AlanBell> great
[10:33] <AlanBell> I am surprised that 2d ended up working better, I always thought 3d would be the more accessible one, but the Qt stuff actually came together fairly well
[10:36] <Fudge> me too
[10:38] <Fudge> thats a neet output module for sd you did, very practical uses
[10:38] <Fudge> I imagine it could come in quite handy for docs
[10:39] <AlanBell> yes, also means that someone sighted can just use their application and see afterwards what an unsighted user would have heard
[10:39] <AlanBell> I guess it also means a deaf person can support a blind person as a niche side effect!
[10:39] <Fudge> voiceover has funtionality built in, actually doesn't orca have something similar?
[10:40] <AlanBell> not really, I asked joanie about it, there is some debug log outputs, but not a clean transcript
[10:40] <Fudge> maybe i am thinking of voiceover, cant recall
[10:41] <Fudge> lol imagine an upgrade with  that
[10:41] <Fudge> 3 percent ... 4 percent ...
[10:50] <Fudge> AlanBell  did you have a chance to check gdm out
[10:51] <Fudge> I figured as lightdm is not complete for accessibility people will revert to gdm
[10:51] <AlanBell> oh, I installed it, let me reboot
[10:52] <AlanBell> I hope lightdm will be accessible in precise, they wanted to do it for oneiric but ran out of time and there was a problem starting orca over it or something
[10:52] <AlanBell> ok, it started, no orca though
[10:53] <AlanBell> no bottom panel where the accessibility stuff used to be
[10:55] <AlanBell> I can't start orca
[10:55] <joanie> why not?
[10:57] <AlanBell> from gdm, there is no bottom panel to start it from, switching to a terminal and DISPLAY=:0 orca does not work either
[10:57] <joanie> oh in gdm, not in a session
[10:58] <AlanBell> indeed, starts fine when I log in from gdm
[11:02] <Fudge> mm must be something here then causing my probs
[11:02] <Fudge> was looking for at-spi-registryd or something similar to that
[11:03] <Fudge> a few times ive ran orca from gnome-terminal and gotten the text setup, even though i already have orca configuration files
[11:11] <Fudge> hey joanie  how you
[11:11] <joanie> fine thanks. you?
[11:11] <Fudge> going good, sorry i havnt sent that email yet
[11:11] <Fudge> is it beer-o-clock yet
[11:11] <joanie> no worries
[11:11]  * joanie is busy working on other stuff
[11:12] <Fudge> no good mate