[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:54] <mainerror> Morning.
[12:35] <om26er> bug 885544 anyone have thoughts?
[12:35] <webbugs> Launchpad bug 885544 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pressing OS Key shows Lens in FullScreen Apps/Games" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885544
[14:13] <AlanBell> om26er: you can change or turn off the hotkey in unity preferences in ccsm
[14:13] <AlanBell> I did that as the host was grabbing it when working in VMs
[14:13] <AlanBell> I think that is a reasonable solution to someone accidentally pressing it
[18:13] <mhall119> AlanBell: do you happen to have a Pencil template for Phone/Tablet too?
[18:27] <AlanBell> no, but I did find a great android sketching collection
[18:28] <AlanBell> http://code.google.com/p/evoluspencil/ download available here
[18:29] <mhall119> AlanBell: I was looking for something to mockup Unity on tablets and phones
[18:31] <AlanBell> yes, I was planning on doing that once it was a success in -tv, which I think it is
[18:31] <AlanBell> the android stencil set has a great phone template in it
[18:32] <AlanBell> what is the aspect ratio of a tablet?
[18:39] <AlanBell> they will need landscape and portrait orientations
[18:53] <mhall119> I'd call Pencil a success, yes
[18:54] <jderose> AlanBell: seems most android tablets are 16:9, som 16:10, and i believe the ipad is 4:3
[21:53] <MrChrisDruif> Hi everyone
[21:54] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going here?
[21:58] <Ronnie> hey MrChrisDruif, also into design?
[21:59] <MrChrisDruif> Ronnie; Yeah, just a bit =)
[21:59] <MrChrisDruif> We've got a bit of a design dilemma @ #ubuntu-phone
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> And imnichol thought I was the better communicator of the two of us =')
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> So naturally I laughed, but still here I am ;-)
[22:01] <Ronnie> ;)
[22:02] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol; I know Ronnie from my LoCo
[22:04] <Ronnie> MrChrisDruif: i didnt know there was a ubuntu-phone project. where can i find some info about it?
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif>  /join #ubuntu-phone
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> All the info is in the topic
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> Ronnie; you might also like #ubuntu-tv and #ubuntu-tablet
[22:05] <Ronnie> oh, these are very wide projects
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Well, me and imnichol thought we have to do much for ubuntu-tablet
[22:06] <imnichol> I think you mean "won't have to do much"
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, typo over there =)
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry aboot that (Yes, I said that like a Canadian according to South Park ;-) )
[22:07] <Ronnie> big difference typo ;)
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> We can't be all perfect Ronnie & imnichol ;-)
[22:08] <imnichol> ;)
[22:08] <Ronnie> i won't even try to be ;)
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, about that design dilemma...
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> With the current Unity design for Desktop/Tablet we've got no problems. However with the small screens of Phones, we've got an issue
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> Unity is more design for screens in landscape orientation, whereas Phones natural position is portrait orientation
[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol mentioned webos or something like that, which is similar to Unity except for the location of the Unity bar, which is on the bottom. I think it would be a smart thing to do for Ubuntu Phone in portrait mode
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> Thought anyone?
[22:37] <AlanBell> dunno, sketch up a few options and show them to sabdfl
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> That might be a good idea
[22:43] <sabdfl> hello
[22:44] <sabdfl> issue with bottom launcher is density and width
[22:45] <sabdfl> also, thumb flex
[22:45] <sabdfl> perhaps an android app to test on your favourite phone?
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> I didn't know sabdfl was here =)
[22:45] <sabdfl> I AM EVERYWHERE ;-)
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> Haha ='D
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> So you think we should keep the bar on the long side?
[22:47] <AlanBell> MrChrisDruif: there is a set of android templates for pencil which includes a perfectly good empty phone frame to draw stuff in
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> (There are pro's and con's to either decision I think)
[22:48] <AlanBell> workspace switcher is important on a phone
[22:49] <imnichol> Is it/
[22:49] <imnichol> *Is it?
[22:49] <AlanBell> more important than on a TV
[22:49] <AlanBell> possibly
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, you want to switch applications regularly on a phone
[22:49] <imnichol> But that doesn't mean switching workplaces
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> And on a phone they should be full screen
[22:49] <AlanBell> true imnichol
[22:50] <imnichol> If all apps are full screen, there's no reason to have workspaces
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I think there is =)
[22:50] <AlanBell> I was actually thinking about my android home page with 5 swipeable pages of apps
[22:50] <imnichol> That's a different thing that I actually agree with
[22:50] <AlanBell> 7 pages actually
[22:50] <imnichol> My pre has 3
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> You can switch workspaces more easily then apps on the same screen I think
[22:50] <AlanBell> with widgets and app launcher buttons
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> To lure users to the Ubuntu Phone things like widget are pretty useful/necessary
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> I think
[23:21] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; do you happen to know where to find those templates of android phone for Pencil?