| dholbach | good morning | 08:07 |
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| micahg | morning dholbach | 08:09 |
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| HOHOHaney | ello | 09:53 |
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| `-` | #ubuntu ops are nazi fags. please remember to use your brain not that other bit of the anatomy the #ubuntu team appears to think is best. | 12:38 |
| Rhonda | Oo | 13:02 |
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| Q-FUNK | howdy! | 13:52 |
| Q-FUNK | any m4 guru here? :) | 13:52 |
| HOHOHaney | I need something to alert me to forgotten CCs / attachments | 13:53 |
| Q-FUNK | I'm trying to tweak debian/rules and I seem to be misunderstanding how to use "ifequ" in http://paste.debian.net/147813/ - I need to make the part in install be skipped in VIDEOABI is empty. | 13:54 |
| tumbleweed | Q-FUNK: you mean ifeq | 13:57 |
| geser | debian/rules is a simple Makefile, not a m4 macro file | 13:57 |
| geser | have you tried to add "ifeq ($(VIDEOABI),)" before the "echo" call + "endif" after the "echo"? | 14:01 |
| Q-FUNK | tumbleweed: erm, yes :) | 14:01 |
| Q-FUNK | geser: http://paste.debian.net/147814/ like this? | 14:02 |
| Rhonda | HOHOHaney: mako did some sendmail wrapper that checks for the words "attached" and similar in mails and rejects unless there is either an attachment or a special header in the mail. | 14:02 |
| HOHOHaney | yeah, something like that | 14:03 |
| Rhonda | HOHOHaney: http://projects.mako.cc/source/attachcheck/ | 14:03 |
| HOHOHaney | i'll look for it, t | 14:03 |
| HOHOHaney | oh :-) | 14:03 |
| * Rhonda . o O ( git ) | 14:03 | |
| Rhonda | git clone git://projects.mako.cc/attachcheck | 14:03 |
| geser | Q-FUNK: yes, is it intended that you moved it also to the xdepends target? (although it probably doesn't make a difference in this case) | 14:04 |
| ockham_ | hi, anyone feel like reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/unity-lens-bliss ? | 14:09 |
| Q-FUNK | geser: it seems to me that I might as well group all those Depends generations there. | 14:10 |
| ockham_ | btw i'm using Standards-Version 3.9.2 in it, about which REVU's linitian complains. should i really downgrade to 3.9.1? | 14:10 |
| geser | ockham_: no, keep 3.9.2, it's just that REVU's lintian doesn't know of 3.9.2 yet (didn't get updated) | 14:11 |
| ockham_ | geser: thx, i figured. it's just a bit annoying as it kinda suggests my package isn't lintian clean. hopefully doesn't scare off reviewers... | 14:11 |
| Q-FUNK | geser: ok. this was a lot simpler than I thought. thanks for the help! | 14:11 |
| geser | ockham_: have you tried if someone from #ubuntu-desktop (or anyone from unity with upload rights) is willing to review it? | 14:14 |
| ockham_ | geser: no, not yet. good idea, though. might try #ayatana, too. | 14:14 |
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| Guest4224 | hi | 14:55 |
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| tumbleweed | Laney, stgraber, cjwatson: Useful? lp:~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/who-can-upload-876554 (e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/757271/ ) | 17:02 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: there's a lot of redundency in the output | 17:07 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: there'd be even more if I wasn't filtering duplicate packageset permissions (don't know why those exist) | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | it's an LP bug when opening new distroseries | 17:09 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: one could expand teams in an area at the bottom (or say [already expanded, see above]) | 17:09 |
| tumbleweed | but tbh, I don't tihnk people will use -t much | 17:09 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: right, but under Ubuntu Kernel Uploaders you have core-devs, then the core-dev team as a member with the list again under it | 17:09 |
| Laney | what's the point of the tool? | 17:09 |
| Laney | the discussion in the bug was for release team / freeze stuff | 17:10 |
| Joe_CoT | hey, looking for people on the Security team. are there plans to update ffmpeg in the releases to address the new security fix point releases? | 17:10 |
| Laney | the security team live in #ubuntu-hardened | 17:10 |
| Laney | but micahg can help you ;-) | 17:10 |
| jdstrand | Joe_CoT: mdeslaur is working on it | 17:11 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: well it doubles as a 'what packageset is this in, without remembering how to use edit_acl tool' :) | 17:11 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: but yes, that's why I'm asking | 17:11 |
| Laney | I would like should-i-upload which links into some service that knows about soft freezes / freeze policies | 17:12 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: btw, 8 / 15 releases imported | 17:12 |
| Joe_CoT | jdstrand, cool, thanks. Do you know if there's an ETA, or a launchpad bug I can track? | 17:12 |
| Laney | nice | 17:12 |
| tumbleweed | soft freezes aren't visible in lp | 17:12 |
| jdstrand | Joe_CoT: I think soonish, but you'd have to ask mdeslaur. | 17:13 |
| Laney | yes | 17:13 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: ^ | 17:13 |
| Laney | that is why 'some service' and not launchpad | 17:13 |
| Laney | (or fixing launchpad) | 17:13 |
| mdeslaur | Joe_CoT: I'm awaiting on an answer from siretart about some libav fixes | 17:13 |
| Joe_CoT | ok, thanks. My company's security guy is bugging me about it, so I was asking to see if I can wait for the package update or need to compile it | 17:14 |
| Joe_CoT | anyway, thanks for being on it :) | 17:15 |
| mdeslaur | Joe_CoT: can't really give an ETA without the answer, but I could guess we'll have a fix out in the next 2-3 weeks | 17:16 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: so, you don't think there's any value in listing PPUs and packagesets outside of edit_acl? or you don't think this is relevant for the bug | 17:16 |
| Laney | I think the bug title and description ask for different things | 17:16 |
| Laney | and personally I don't find it that useful as people generally know what they can upload and there is one interface for sponsors (modulo security) these days | 17:16 |
| Laney | but that may be me | 17:17 |
| tumbleweed | well, we know that LP needs to display packageset membership a little more clearly | 17:17 |
| tumbleweed | but yes, for freezes, it doesn't tell you anything that apt-cache show | grep Task doesn't | 17:18 |
| Joe_CoT | mdeslaur, so you have an idea of what you're updating to? like for Lucid, are you going to 5.5, or going up to one of the later releases. I think I'm going to get pushed into compiling it, but I want to go with the same version you guys are going to package | 17:18 |
| Joe_CoT | mdeslaur, nevermind, we're waiting, since that'll be within the disclosure date, and no one seems to be exploiting the bug yet. thanks! | 17:22 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: There might be value in can-i-upload foo if it either says "Yes you can" or a some condensed output (with --verbose) | 17:23 |
| Laney | "No, since you do not have upload access to component main or packagesets foo bar baz (--verbose to see who does)" | 17:24 |
| tumbleweed | we already have a lpapicache function for that | 17:24 |
| Laney | excellent | 17:24 |
| tumbleweed | ah, if you want the reason for not being able to, we don't | 17:24 |
| Laney | well you just wrote it :P | 17:24 |
| Laney | it could even indicate yes or no with exit status for use in scripts (but I cannot imagine any usecases for that atm) | 17:26 |
| tumbleweed | you mean I'm going to have to write a manpage for this now? :) | 17:27 |
| Laney | bdrung would let you merge it otherwise?! | 17:27 |
| tumbleweed | I think he's got bored of reviewing every commit I make :P | 17:27 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: a new script without a man page? | 17:27 |
| Laney | haha | 17:27 |
| bdrung | ts ts ts | 17:27 |
| broder | right on cue! | 17:27 |
| * Laney is off to the climbing competition: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150503191911756&set=a.10150503187896756.428884.38579036755&type=3&theater — enjoy writing documentation :-) | 17:28 | |
| tumbleweed | enjoy. /me hasn't climbed in ages :/ | 17:29 |
| broder | oh yeah, speaking of docs, i'm planning to push out my new backports docs this weekend of anybody has last minute feedback | 17:29 |
| broder | ScottK, micahg, Laney, tumbleweed: ^ | 17:29 |
| bdrung | Laney: isn't climbing with a ladder easy? | 17:29 |
| ScottK | broder: I gave it a quick read and it seems good. | 17:29 |
| micahg | broder: sorry, will try again this weekend to review | 17:29 |
| bdrung | broder: where can i read it? | 17:30 |
| broder | we *can* always change these after the fact :) | 17:30 |
| ScottK | Yeah, I'm fine with pushing it. | 17:30 |
| broder | bdrung: http://bit.ly/rNEOWc | 17:30 |
| bdrung | broder: "new version of OS" | 17:31 |
| bdrung | shouldn't that be written out? | 17:31 |
| broder | i don't think so; we don't in the current docs | 17:31 |
| broder | but there is a missing possessive there, which i've added :) | 17:32 |
| Laney | hrm | 17:32 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: I just noticed that the branch for LP API sponsoring (yay) overrides .creator but doesn't seem to give any way to get sponsor through PAI | 17:33 |
| Laney | API | 17:33 |
| Laney | can you ping bigjools? | 17:33 |
| Laney | bye o/ | 17:33 |
| * tumbleweed assumes he can | 17:34 | |
| Laney | I would have done it but I don't have any time to get into a discussion | 17:34 |
| * Laney REALLY GOES. REALLY. BYE. | 17:34 | |
| micahg | broder: typo in the second to last line, says cna should be can | 17:35 |
| micahg | broder: also, I thought we determined that -backports is enforced with the same archive upload permissions as the rest of the pockets(except -security) | 17:35 |
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| micahg | ooh, google docs shows live editing :) | 17:36 |
| bdrung | broder: second page: "(lucid-backports)" -> user should be informed that "lucid" is different on each release | 17:36 |
| broder | micahg: ah yes, so we did. /me makes a note | 17:36 |
| tumbleweed | broder: doesn't this need to cover the pre-release backports? | 17:37 |
| broder | :-/ yeah, probably | 17:37 |
| broder | i was hoping to have these up before that got approved so i could let the docs get stale again for a while before dealing : | 17:37 |
| broder | :) | 17:37 |
| tumbleweed | heh | 17:37 |
| tumbleweed | even more reason to do it now :) | 17:38 |
| broder | actually, i think i'd rather hold off on updating the docs until we have the infrastructure in place for pre-release backports | 17:38 |
| broder | because i suspect that we will discover policy questions in the process of making the tools work | 17:38 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: his merge-proposal says "UI changes will happen in a future branch" I think the API is UI | 17:39 |
| bdrung | broder: can you highlight "unsupported updates" so that it's obvious that this is the text of the gui? | 17:39 |
| broder | the formatting will probably look slightly different when i translate everything to wikispeak | 17:40 |
| bdrung | broder: "If the backport does require source changes, it should go through the normal sponsorship process once it has been approved by the backports team." -> ubuntu devs can upload directly after an ACK? | 17:47 |
| broder | bdrung: yes, but only if there are source changes required | 17:48 |
| broder | if it's no-change, it should be done by an AA | 17:48 |
| broder | (for now - if we can get queue permission granularity from LP, we might be able to change that) | 17:48 |
| bdrung | broder: that should be more clear (direct upload for non-no-change backports) | 17:48 |
| broder | bdrung: ok. re-worked the text - better? | 17:50 |
| bdrung | broder: yes, better | 17:51 |
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| jtaylor | opinions on wether this is SRU'able? bug 877519 | 20:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 877519 in matplotlib (Ubuntu) "svg engine broken: fails with default tick labels on colorbar" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877519 | 20:25 |
| jtaylor | ups wrong bug | 20:25 |
| jtaylor | this one: bug 871176 | 20:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 871176 in matplotlib (Ubuntu) "KnownFailure should not be registered as a global nose plugin" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871176 | 20:25 |
| jtaylor | fix is simple but it also is not really such a grave bug for the regular user | 20:26 |
| broder | seems mostly reasonable to me, but it's not my call | 20:27 |
| broder | wouldn't this affect anything using nose, though? | 20:27 |
| broder | (if so, i think limiting the discussion to its impact on ipython understates the problem) | 20:27 |
| jtaylor | I assume nothing should get broken by fixing it | 20:29 |
| jtaylor | matplotlib has nothing to do with defining global test macros | 20:29 |
| jtaylor | only things relying on accidentally getting matplotlibs version would break and that should not be the case | 20:29 |
| broder | for simple patches like that, the regression concern is usually not about the fix itself, but about random, unpredictable other things happening in the process of rebuilding the package | 20:30 |
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| broder | i'm kind of excited about discovering that i can do `s=$(schroot -bc natty-amd64); mk-build-deps -i -r -s "schroot -rc $s -u root --" ` | 20:33 |
| jtaylor | hm what is this error about: http://paste.ubuntu.com/757463/ | 20:34 |
| EvilResistance | any of ya able to point me at what i need to do to create a source package from actual source that comes with its own ./configure script? | 20:37 |
| jtaylor | checkinstall can do that to some extent | 20:39 |
| broder | EvilResistance: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html ? | 20:39 |
| EvilResistance | broder, ah cool... | 20:42 |
| EvilResistance | didnt know that existed :P | 20:42 |
| * arand is guessing "dh $@" | 20:48 | |
| broder | well, yes, but the rules file isn't the hard part of creating a package these days :-P | 20:50 |
| broder | (personally, i find i spend as much time writing the description as everything else put together) | 20:50 |
| jtaylor | the copyright is the worst ._. | 20:50 |
| arand | Indeed, 1200 lines is my record so far for d/copyright | 20:54 |
| jtaylor | :O | 20:54 |
| jtaylor | my worst has 9 different licenses | 20:54 |
| jtaylor | but lgpl gpl and apache are in common making the file short :) | 20:55 |
| arand | Bah, that's peanuts, I've got about 10 custom written, plus: by, by-sa, mit, zlib, ofl.. | 20:56 |
| broder | gah. string processing in C sucks | 20:56 |
| arand | (granted, the custom one's are mostly attempts at cc-by or cc-0) | 20:57 |
| tumbleweed | broder: that's definitly something to have as a function in my bashrc, thanks | 21:09 |
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| broder | ...huh, impressive. update-notifier pops up telling me to upgrade to oneiric when i'm running off a natty live cd | 22:30 |
| kees | broder: if you've got enough RAM.... :P | 22:34 |
| broder | i wonder what would happen if i went through with the install after taking the upgrade... | 22:34 |
| broder | actually, i guess it probably explicitly just unpacks the squashfs | 22:34 |
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