[00:07] <dax> Hi! Any #ubuntu ops around for a PM?
[00:12] <Myrtti> anything for you, dear
[00:13] <dax> thanks Myrtti :)
[06:48] <EvilResistance> can one of you talk to Tech-1?
[06:48] <EvilResistance> he's being somewhat...
[06:48] <EvilResistance> um...
[06:49] <EvilResistance> i'm trying to not use obscenities ;P
[06:51] <Tm_T> EvilResistance: on it, thanks
[06:52] <EvilResistance> yep pangolin decided to jump on it, ;P
[06:52] <EvilResistance> thanks
[07:50] <ikonia> hello faLUCE, I forwarded you to this channel as you kept ignoring what I was telling you and responding back with a rude attitude
[07:50] <faLUCE> ikonia: you can do all what you want but your answer was and is nonsense.
[07:50] <ikonia> faLUCE: no problem then, if you don't want to work within the support guidelines of the channel I see no point in explaining it any further.
[07:51] <faLUCE> my question can be useful for a lot of people, since it helps to make backups and distros from ubuntu
[07:51] <ikonia> faLUCE: or I can explain why we don't support your custom spins
[07:52] <faLUCE> ikonia: there's no other way to create "easily" a custom distro ubuntu based, you are too blind to understand that. and to get that this can be useful for lot of people
[07:52] <ikonia> faLUCE: ok, I'll explain, we don't support fixing peoples custom spins as there are many things that can effect the results of a custom spin moving away from known ubuntu working setups
[07:52] <faLUCE> anyway, do what you want, and be free to act as a stupid
[07:53] <ikonia> faLUCE: if we support 1 users attempt at a custom spin, we have to support every users attempt at custom build, which as you can see in such a busy channel would double the workload and make it a very time consuming process
[07:54] <Tm_T> also it would make centralised support rather pointless as we couldn't trust people having similar experience
[07:54] <faLUCE> ikonia: stop explaining nonsense reasons. My question was really useful. then I could create a how to for solving such problems and make all the people do their distro ubuntu based
[07:55] <ikonia> faLUCE: sorry, your question was outside the support topic for official ubuntu distros
[07:55] <ikonia> faLUCE: I tried to explain this to you 3 times, each time you got more rude, so I ended up forwarding you here
[07:55] <ikonia> if you are comfortable working within the support guidelines, I'm happy to remove the forward and allow you to rejoin
[07:56] <faLUCE> ikonia: again, you can repeat this till the endo of time. I don't agree. And I won't repeat till the end of time MY reasons, since yoou are too MYOPE to understand
[07:56] <ikonia> ok, well, I'm afraid those are the guidelines for using the channel, if you can't agree to follow them, you can't use the channel
[07:57] <ikonia> (sorry to make it so black and white, but that's how you're pushing it towards)
[07:57] <ikonia> there are other channels such as ##linux (which I can see you also asking in) that maybe better suited to more general issues such as yours
[07:57] <faLUCE> ikonia: again, cure your MYOPIA
[07:58] <ikonia> I'll leave this conversation there and ask you to leave the channel then please.
[07:58] <Tm_T> faLUCE: I would kindly ask you to stop the rudeness
[07:58] <faLUCE> Tm_T: it was not my fault
[07:58] <Tm_T> faLUCE: there's no excuse for bad behaviour
[07:58] <faLUCE> and I wan't stop it. I've been banned for nonsense
[07:58] <elky> in that case, this conversation is over.
[07:59] <Tm_T> faLUCE: the reason for your bans has been explained multiple times now
[08:00] <faLUCE> Tm_T: the ban has no good reasons. And it's dummy  to think that it has reasons only because it has made by an op
[08:00] <elky> faLUCE, you're probably more likely to get help for custom spins at askubuntu.com
[08:01] <faLUCE> anyway, I'll solve the problem by myself, and then keep the solution alone.
[08:02] <faLUCE> elky: it's not custom spins. it's a OPTIMUM way of BACKUP
[08:02] <faLUCE> and it's discussed in the ubuntu official guide
[08:02] <faLUCE> please stop talking if you don't even know what's the point
[08:15] <elky> faLUCE, there's no need for you to be in here if you're not going to constructively discuss the issue.
[08:20] <faLUCE> elky: I tried to do that
[08:21] <elky> no, you professed you refused to abide by the guidelines. That's quite the opposite of constructive
[08:33] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu newb trolling asking for questions he didn't want the answer to so he could storm off to "try another distro"
[08:33] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[08:34] <faLUCE> elky: no, I did not professed that. I professed that ikonia is MYOPE
[08:41] <elky> that's not constructive either.
[08:45] <faLUCE> elky: that's not costructive. but the rest I said before, IS costructive ([09:02] <faLUCE> elky: it's not custom spins. it's a OPTIMUM way of BACKUP)
[08:45] <faLUCE> [09:02] <faLUCE> and it's discussed in the ubuntu official guide
[08:46] <faLUCE> really, before banning people, think better
[08:55] <elky> faLUCE, i'm confused as to what exactly you did before making your own live distro with remastersys. could you brief me on the changes?
[08:56] <faLUCE> elky: this is the complete question:   Hi. I installed lubuntu 11.10 on a Intel BOXDG41AN mini-itx mobo (with Pentium dual core E5700). Then I installed few programs and created my own live distro, lubuntu 11.10 based, with Remastersys. Then I booted on another pc (Intel DH67CF LGA-1155 mini itx mobo, with cpu i5 2400) with this distro but the graphic card does not work. I can make it work only at low resolution with nomodeset. The rest is ok  How can I
[08:56] <faLUCE> solve? Where can be the problem?
[08:58] <faLUCE> the ubuntu official guide says that it's the only method for having a portable snapshot of ubuntu
[08:58] <elky> i know the question, i would like you to answer mine, because if things changed, it can very well make it impossible for someone who doesn't know the full list of changes to help at all
[08:58] <faLUCE> but it doesn't work. In addition, there's no "remastersys" channel
[08:58] <faLUCE> elky: no changes
[08:59] <elky> "Then I installed few programs and "
[08:59] <faLUCE> only added two programs: vlc
[08:59] <faLUCE> and... maybe kde+konversation
[09:00] <faLUCE> but really trivial user space things
[09:00] <elky> so, "created my own live distro" is not actually true?
[09:00] <faLUCE> it's just a dummy distro with these added programs
[09:00] <faLUCE> the problem is, I suppose, in the xorg config
[09:00] <ikonia> xorg should be dynamic
[09:00] <popey> faLUCE: am I right in saying the goal here was to take a known working system from your mini-itx machine and try it on the LGA-1155 system?
[09:01] <ikonia> unless you have hardcoded a change
[09:01] <elky> faLUCE, we don't know what configuration hacks you put into the xorg
[09:01] <faLUCE> elky: I did not put anything
[09:02] <faLUCE> I wonder if there's a way to backup xorg config, since there's no xorg.conf file
[09:02] <ikonia> its dynamic
[09:02] <faLUCE> then I can do little modifications of this file on the new machine, in order to make it working
[09:02] <elky> faLUCE, dpkg-reconfigure was the way the last time i had to do it iirc
[09:02] <faLUCE> it's dynamic but xorg.conf must be considered firstly
[09:03] <elky> that may have been a while ago now
[09:03] <faLUCE> elky: already tried
[09:03] <faLUCE> as you can see, there's a lot of stuff that is interesting for everyone wants a quick and easy snapshot of ubuntu
[09:03] <elky> ok, so your question is, in fact, "i am trying to boot a system with a new video card, and it's not working". True?
[09:03] <ikonia> xorg.conf is still valid, however if it's not there is should go to dynamic configuration
[09:04] <faLUCE> ikonia: you don't get the point. something goes wrong in dynamiic conf, therefore I want to provide xorg.conf
[09:04] <ikonia> faLUCE: I do see that
[09:05] <ikonia> however using a host system with a different setup to make that config / test the config is not a good idea
[09:05] <faLUCE> elky: yes, it's so
[09:06] <faLUCE> ikonia: I don't find alternatives. and I don't find quicker and easier ways for making a portable snapshor of ubuntu
[09:06] <ikonia> if hardware devices require hardcoded options it won't be portable
[09:07] <ikonia> as the hardcoded options may conflict with machines with different hardware
[09:07] <popey> that presumes he added hardcoded options
[09:07] <ikonia> I'm not saying he did
[09:07] <popey> why not ask him if he did?
[09:07] <faLUCE> I did not add them
[09:07] <popey> there we go
[09:07] <ikonia> re-read what I said
[09:07] <ikonia> he's not added the options, that's the problem
[09:07] <ikonia> he wants to make an xorg.conf with options for the second machine because detection isn't working
[09:08] <popey> faLUCE: do you have an xorg.conf at all?
[09:08] <elky> faLUCE, in your new machine, can you boot up a regular livecd?
[09:08] <faLUCE> right
[09:08] <faLUCE> popey: I don't have it
[09:08] <popey> right
[09:08] <faLUCE> elky: yes I can.
[09:08] <popey> again, asking, rather than presuming wins the day
[09:08] <popey> jeez
[09:08] <ikonia> I'm not presuming, it's exactly what he just said
[09:09] <faLUCE> anyway: how can I automatically create a xorg.conf backup file?
[09:09] <popey> You're going down an unnecessary path. Fact is he wants to test a copy of system A on system B. This is not an unreasonable thing to do
[09:09] <elky> faLUCE, if you boot it up, and the video works, that xorg.conf can be saved to a flash drive, for example, and then you can replace it on your new machine when you use your remastered livecd. i don't know how you'd make this permanent to the remastersys livecd thingie though
[09:09] <elky> at least, this is what i would try
[09:09] <faLUCE> elky: this is a good idea, but as said before
[09:10] <faLUCE> how can I automatically create a xorg.conf backup file?
[09:10] <elky> i didn't see that part of the query
[09:10] <popey> if you are using a live setup there wont be one (an xorg.conf)
[09:10] <faLUCE> but all this stuff would be useful for ubuntu people
[09:10] <faLUCE> and you banned me
[09:10] <faLUCE> (I'm not polemic now)
[09:10] <elky> faLUCE, because you weren't clear and then you got into arguing. lets forget that now
[09:10] <ikonia> I've removed the ban forward for you, with my apologies
[09:10] <faLUCE> elky: no, really not. I was very clear
[09:11] <faLUCE> ikonia: never mind
[09:11] <elky> faLUCE, then why did i have to ask you questions then?
[09:11] <popey> faLUCE: the root of this problem is that your i5 based video card doesn't work with lubuntu 11.10 ?
[09:11] <elky> the bottom line is that you argued and were insulting. please do not do this in the future, ok?
[09:12] <faLUCE> popey: no, it works, since it works with live cd
[09:12] <elky> popey, on a regular livecd it does, apparently
[09:12] <elky> faLUCE, since you're unbanned now, can we move this discussion back to the support channel?
[09:12] <faLUCE> elky: yes
[09:19] <elky> faLUCE, btw, where did you install remastersys from? I don't see it in the repositories.
[09:19] <faLUCE> elky: from remastersys website
[09:20] <elky> faLUCE, ok, as a fact, we can't be expected to support the behaviour of software that isn't installed from our repositories. Just for future reference, ok?
[09:20] <elky> Regardless of what someone writes in a book.
[09:21] <faLUCE> elky: I did not ask for support for remastersys. Note two points:
[09:21] <faLUCE> 1) I asked for xorg stuff (you can say that I should ask in xorg channel, and ok)
[09:21] <elky> Actually, you are. "<faLUCE> how can I automatically create a xorg.conf backup file?" is asking for help with remastersys behaviour. There is no but for that.
[09:22] <faLUCE> no, elky, I don't want support for remastersys. I only would like to know how can I solve xorg issues
[09:22] <faLUCE> elky: note that remastersys is no longer in development
[09:23] <faLUCE> therefore, it would be nonsense to ask for that. I only would like to make some adjustments
[09:24] <elky> but you're wanting to get the xorg automatically generated by a remastersys export?
[09:24] <faLUCE> elky: you said a correct thing:  faLUCE, if you boot it up, and the video works, that xorg.conf can be saved to a flash drive, for example, and then you can replace it on your new machine when you use your remastered livecd. i don't know how you'd make this permanent to the remastersys livecd thingie though
[09:24] <elky> note "i don't know how you'd make this permanent to the remastersys livecd thingie though"
[09:24] <faLUCE> elky: no problem for that. I can "patch" the installed distro
[09:25] <faLUCE> I don't want to patch remastersys
[09:25] <faLUCE> I want only to patch the nonworking installed distro
[09:25] <elky> you would be doing precisely that, though. it's part of the usage of the remastersys.
[09:26] <faLUCE> elky: no, it's avulse from remastersys
[09:26] <faLUCE> let me explain:
[09:26] <elky> avulse is not a word i know.
[09:26] <faLUCE> sorry: extraneous
[09:26] <elky> ah
[09:26] <faLUCE> let me explain
[09:27] <faLUCE> I would create xorg.conf from the OFFICIAL ubuntu live cd
[09:27] <elky> lubuntu*
[09:27] <faLUCE> then use it in the broken installed distro
[09:27] <faLUCE> elky: ok, lubuntu, but it's not a matter of k,l or u
[09:27] <ikonia> faLUCE: is it just for this one machine or portable as you said earlier ?
[09:28] <ikonia> faLUCE: if it's for 1 machine then fine, if it's for other machines than creating a hard coded xorg.conf may cause you problems on the others
[09:28] <faLUCE> ikonia: I can use this  way of proceeding for all the future machine
[09:28] <faLUCE> I mean: the xorg.conf is only for one machine
[09:28] <ikonia> faLUCE: are all the future machines the same hardware (exactly the same from a video point)
[09:28] <faLUCE> the way of proceeding is for all the future
[09:28] <ikonia> yes, but is the future all the same machine, or differnt types of machines
[09:28] <faLUCE> ikonia: different hardware, but I can use this method
[09:29] <ikonia> you can't
[09:29] <faLUCE> why not?
[09:29] <ikonia> hardcoded xorg.conf may cause problems for machines with different hardware
[09:29] <faLUCE> ikonia: I'm not saying that
[09:29] <elky> ikonia, if he wants to fiddle around he can, so long as he doesn't expect us to fix it each time
[09:29] <ikonia> I'll leave you to it then
[09:29] <faLUCE> elky: exactly
[09:30] <elky> so we're of the understanding that you won't be asking specific remastersys questions in the future?
[09:30] <faLUCE> elky: in fact it's not remastersys specific
[09:30] <elky> it would be if you expected us to make it easier for you
[09:31] <elky> lets just leave it at that. i really need to get back to the other things i was doing
[09:31] <faLUCE> elky: anyway the point is: how can I backup xorg from a live cd?
[09:31] <elky> faLUCE, with the cp command?
[09:32] <faLUCE> elky: cp of what?
[09:32] <elky> the file? i really don't know.
[09:32] <faLUCE> elky: as said before there's not xorg.conf file!
[09:32] <faLUCE> in previous versions of ubuntu there was it.
[09:33] <elky> hence "i really don't know"
[09:33] <faLUCE> elky: ok, but don't say that it's remastersys stuff...
[09:33] <faLUCE> sorry if I appear rude
[09:35] <elky> right now you're appearing as though you're continuing a support query in a channel that isn't a support channel
[09:41] <elky> faLUCE, is there anything else you need regarding the irc channels? if not, could you part from here so we know we don't need to ask you in the future?
[11:01] <ubottu> In #ubuntu, ernesto__ said: ubottu: i know it is an old release but won't there be any optional sources list for me to keep on installing certain packages?
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[12:25] <ikonia> I'm talking to seriously in pm to help him understand he's in an ubuntu support channel, not an Microsoft one
[12:25] <`-`> seriously!
[12:25] <ikonia> what are you doing ?
[12:25] <oCean> `-`: just drop it
[12:26] <`-`> ah
[12:26] <`-`> i was checking on ocean
[12:26] <`-`> 1s
[12:26] <oCean> ?
[12:26] <`-`> yeah you both actually
[12:26] <`-`> bit quick on the trigger
[12:26] <Myrtti> when you joined the channel, you were asked to comply with the IRC guidelines and Ubuntu Code of Conduct which ask you to be helpful when helping. I repeated that request on the channel
[12:27] <`-`> Myrtti note i did not include you thar :)
[12:27] <`-`> and while there may be a little offtopic, the majority of it was in response to ocean and ikonia
[12:27] <ikonia> what ?
[12:27] <ikonia> I've not spoken to you
[12:27] <Myrtti> we *really* prefer there not being *any* offtopic
[12:28] <Myrtti> it is the biggest channel on this network
[12:28] <`-`> Myrtti preferring something and reality are usually two different things
[12:28] <`-`> and i agree it would be nice
[12:28] <`-`> but when the poor guy thinks i'm offending him and an op hits me for apologizing..
[12:28] <`-`> well i'm not sure how to be courtious
[12:28] <`-`> also
[12:29] <`-`> ikonia it looks like your correct.. i was assuming one of those comments were meant for me; my apologies.
[12:29] <Myrtti> `-`: we try to keep the goal and reality as close to each other as possible
[12:29] <`-`> finally.. i didnt come in here to talk
[12:29] <`-`> just to see if oCean is just a !@#% talker or an op with an attitude
[12:29] <`-`> :)
[12:29] <oCean> you had to come in here for that?
[12:29] <`-`> thx anyway sorry about that ikonia tata~~
[12:29] <Myrtti> you seem to have an attitude I don't like, so I guess the feeling is mutual
[12:30] <`-`> oCean i chose to do so
[12:30] <`-`> Myrtti and i support your right to have such an opinion, and even express it
[12:30] <Myrtti> `-`: btw your nickname is really difficult too
[12:30] <`-`> lol
[12:30] <`-`> its the tick
[12:30] <oCean> `-`: it does not matter if it's an op or a regular user asking you to stop
[12:30] <Myrtti> the tick is a deadkey for me
[12:30] <`-`> yes ocean it does
[12:30] <oCean> no
[12:30] <`-`> gotcha Myrtti
[12:30] <oCean> not in our channels
[12:30] <Myrtti> oCean++;
[12:31] <`-`> 2s oCean
[12:31] <`-`> if your an op you represent: a. ubuntu, b. freenode. and c. most importantly canonical
[12:31] <Myrtti> canonical... ahhahahha
[12:31] <`-`> its about perception not truth
[12:31] <`-`> thats WHY ## exists here
[12:31] <`-`> ## == official
[12:31] <oCean> ?
[12:31]  * `-` sighs
[12:32] <pangolin> `-`: wrong
[12:32] <`-`> nvm hf
[12:32] <`-`> yeah i bitflipped it :P
[12:32] <`-`> anyway try not to be tards in chan it makes the distro look worse than it is
[12:32] <oCean> meh
[12:33] <`-`> hahahahaha
[12:33] <`-`> good one
[12:34] <`-`> nice way to make my point
[12:37] <Myrtti> !staff
[12:37] <ubottu> hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, dax, stew, or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)
[12:38] <Myrtti> the aforementioned user has just joined pretty much all the Ubuntu IRC channels there are
[12:39] <Myrtti> excess flooded themselves out, but I'm still holding my breath
[12:39] <oCean> joining channels again
[12:41] <ubottu> LjL called the ops in #kubuntu (`-`)
[12:46] <Myrtti> well that was a relief
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[16:23] <beuno> ooops, sorry, force of habbit
[16:24] <pangolin> :)
[16:24] <pangolin> we appreciate your understanding
[16:35] <Pici> !ping
[16:35] <popey> beuno: ask gord how he does it, his irc nick change on one network and not on another
[16:35] <ubottu> another contentless ping... sigh...
[16:35] <popey> Pici pongs
[16:35] <Pici> popey: yes, thanks.
[16:40] <gord> popey, i sometimes forget and change nick on freenode, the hell that brings, the wrath of people yelling at me telling me not to change my nick
[16:40] <Myrtti> we love you anyway
[16:40]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[16:41] <czajkowski> gord: I do feel bad for them tbh, given they are encouraged to change status to being away and many are in ubuntu channels and work channels
[17:27] <beuno> popey, yeah, i know how to do it, but I've been changing it in both for 5+ years, so finger-memory
[17:27] <popey> heh
[17:50] <mneptok> beuno: easy solution? never leave the keyboard. EVER.
[18:32]  * beuno is very close to achieving that
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