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[18:39] <AlanBell> hi all, what is the aspect ratio and screen resolution of the tablet you are targetting?
[19:07] <Myrtti> too bad there hasn't really been any discussion yet
[19:08] <Myrtti> don't even know if everyone is just a lurker end-user or if there are any developers here
[19:13] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not a real developer, but before developers get active there has to be some discussion first Myrtti
[19:13] <MrChrisDruif> But have you got some ideas, suggestions for Ubuntu Tablet?
[19:13] <Myrtti> I know, which is why I'm here, trying to chip in in a small way to get the experience on my ExoPC a bit better
[19:13] <MrChrisDruif> Great =)
[19:14] <Myrtti> I was just considering should I install 12.04 on it
[19:14] <MrChrisDruif> (Sorry I didn't activate this channel much, I've been busy with Ubuntu TV mainly)
[19:20] <MrChrisDruif> Myrtti; what is currently lacking for tablets?
[19:20] <MrChrisDruif> In your opinion of course =)
[19:27] <MrChrisDruif> I hope I didn't scare you?
[19:27] <Myrtti> OnBoard needs more work, Gwibber is horrible to use (it is horrible to use on a desktop as well tho) some UI elements should be configurable to be a bit bigger and/or touch-friendly
[19:28] <Myrtti> sorry, I started cooking late dinner
[19:28] <Myrtti> my udon noodles have gone out of date so needed to put rice to cook
[19:29] <MrChrisDruif> Myrtti; late night dinner? What timezone are you? =)
[19:30] <Myrtti> the same timezone approximately 1/4 of all IRCers are on (all statistics are lies!): Finland
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, UTC+2 I think it is?
[19:45] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:46] <MrChrisDruif> Ever tried Gnome Shell on it?
[19:54] <Myrtti> yeah, it was nice, some things in Unity are better tho
[19:54] <Myrtti> I like the messaging menu
[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> Yes?
[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> I forgot how the messaging menu is in Unity, I've run shell for pretty long time already =)
[19:56] <imnichol> I love the messaging menu, and webos 3 actually stole the idea(unintentionally I'm sure)
[19:57] <imnichol> It's an awesome way to do alerts
[19:59] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Ian
[20:01] <imnichol> Hi
[20:44] <MrChrisDruif> What is better to Ubuntu's messaging menu vs. gnome-shell one?
[20:45] <imnichol> I haven't used gnome-shell's message menu so I can't speak to that
[20:47] <Myrtti> there is one for gnomeshell?
[20:48] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I don't know how it's called, but there is a dropdown-menu for some online stuff
[20:50] <imnichol> Any chance you could point me at a screen shot of it?
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> That's easier indeed, I'll do it
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> It looks a bit like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QCP_2UKsFgU/TksaT91iIYI/AAAAAAAAG6M/9lAK2X_IVY0/s1600/6.jpg but mine looks differently
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> I'll take a screenshot of it
[20:51] <imnichol> Ohhhh
[20:51] <imnichol> Ok
[20:53] <imnichol> Does it do alerts when someone IMs/emails/tweets you?
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> imnichol; http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3216976/screenshot.png
[20:54] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, the thing in the bottom does that
[20:55] <imnichol> What thing in the bottom?
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it pops up when you get a mention/tweet/what-have-you
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> And when you got to activities
[20:56] <imnichol> OH ok
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> So yeah, you don't really need that messaging menu in gnome-shell
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> Did you notice the accessibility icon in the top? (That small guys in a circle)
[20:58] <imnichol> Yes, what functionality does that provide?
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> You can turn on the On screen keyboard, among other things for accessibility
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> I'll take another screenie of it
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3216976/accessibility.png
[21:00] <imnichol> That link 404ed
[21:00] <imnichol> Nevermind, there we go
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> So if you look at it like I do, I don't think we need do much fancy work for tablets
[21:01] <imnichol> I agree
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> I'd actually think we might need to do something for desktop, but either gs or unity are good enough for tablet & desktop
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> Phones on the other hand ;-)
[21:03] <imnichol> I think everyone knows my feelings about eating your own dog food, but I would be totally satisfied with a gnome-shell tablet as well, even though Unity is my first choice
[21:03] <imnichol> I think that tablets represent sort of a middle ground between the TV and Phone projects
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> How so?
[21:04] <imnichol> In that the Tablet project isn't going to see too many problems that are unique to it, and will likely draw solutions from the TV and Phone projects
[21:04] <MrChrisDruif> I see Tablet like a Desktop but without a (solid) keyboard and mouse.
[21:05] <imnichol> Pretty much
[21:05] <MrChrisDruif> The mouse can be replaced with just touching, the keyboard with an onscreen keyboard
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Made add some fancy multi-touch wizardry
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Like "pinch-to-zoom"
[21:07] <imnichol> Which, I believe, is being developed pretty rapidly IIRC
[21:09] <imnichol> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTeUbx_nnM4 that's a pretty cool video from 2009 showing multitouch capabilities
[21:13] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, those kinds of actions =)
[21:13] <imnichol> So like I said, I don't think that the tablet project will cause quite as much grief as the tv/phone projects will
[21:14] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed...
[21:14] <MrChrisDruif> So...shall we continue this conversation over there? ;-) (There being #ubuntu-phone)
[21:15] <imnichol> I was just about to suggest that ;)