[00:00] is there a siri gtk app? [00:00] hehe [00:00] but most the reason I buy apple is because I want it to work out of the box. I don't want to be proud of my duct-tape creation anymore [00:00] AlanBell: dunno, wouldn't be that difficult to make one [00:00] yeah, it would be cool to reverse engineer it [00:00] it has been reverse engineered and documented somewhere I think [00:01] http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/a-look-at-how-applidium-reverse-engineered-siris-protocol.ars [03:54] Argh... Running 11.04 w GNOME3, not able to dist-upgrade to 11.10 [03:55] Something about pinned packages (which I don't have) etc. Can't find any reason... :( [03:55] Anyone still awake out there w any clue? [04:05] "sudo aptitude remove nspluginwrapper" (got there by looking at the log files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/) [08:02] morning [08:03] Morning [08:04] yo [08:11] popey: You down with the kids now? [08:11] Morning all [08:24] word [08:33] morning [08:34] a squirrel chewed through a piece of cat5 I've got on the outside of the house :( [08:34] cat5 does not look in anyway nut-like [08:35] must have been a myopic squirrel [08:36] maybe it was expecting nuts over TCP? [08:36] Or just wanted to steal your interwebs to buy nuts on ebay? [08:37] Metal pipe \o/ [08:45] daubers: so if I open up the wifi for them thay should leave the cable alone! [08:45] danfish: only if you tell them the passwords [08:45] but you'd be nuts if you did that [08:46] quite [08:48] danfish: OR! You could just give them some nuts to go away [08:49] Might be cheaper [08:49] Or use PoE :D [08:49] *nom* *nom* *nom* *BANG* [08:49] PoE is great, I'm going to configure some PoE access points tomorrow :) [08:49] Providing wifi to a camping in a forest [08:51] daubers: haha [08:51] daubers: too bad PoE is only 48V DC [08:51] I wonder what squirrel tastes like? [08:51] danfish: Nutty [08:55] morning all [09:01] it's a bit cold this morning :S [09:02] crisp and sunny here :) [09:07] cold on the bike :) [09:20] i asked a question in the irc channel for a certain fashionable distro about how to check some settings, and got the fanboy answer, which was essentially, don't worry about it, $distro is $otherdistro done right! [09:21] i found out that was certainly not the case [09:23] ooh, nice. My current fav android ROM are getting their ICS build ready http://t.co/afzWeCfL [09:24] * oimon wants ICS on touchpad NOW [09:27] * MartijnVdS has ICS on his phone [09:27] \o/ Galaxy Nexus [09:28] MartijnVdS: what phone and cm9? [09:28] MooDoo: Galaxy Nexus and stock firmware :) [09:28] cool [09:33] MartijnVdS: thoughts? [09:36] It's huge :) [09:37] but it's fast [09:39] solves the android on tablet problem? [09:39] oimon: it's a phone, not a tablet [09:39] I don't have ICS on my Xoom yet [09:40] But honeycomb on Xoom isn't bad either [09:41] Oh sod [09:41] I missed yesterday's meeting at lunchtime [09:41] Hi peeps :) [09:42] What did I miss? [09:42] bigcalm: you got the taking-over-the-world bit? === awilkins_ is now known as awilkins [09:43] Darn, my phone has been listening to this channel jabber all night [09:43] I always thought that sabdfl was up to something [09:44] New router arrived.... Muahahahaha [09:46] Soon I will have 30Mbit/s of pulsating power bandwidth [09:46] only 30? :P [09:46] I find 10 to be pretty luxurious [09:47] I got 30 because the download throttling thresholds are getting a bit low [09:47] And because my Mother-in-law doesn't hang round the house all day anymore so I saved money by cancelling the unlimited calling package [09:48] More bandwidth for less cash, bargain [09:49] Right, time to lose carrier [09:50] Merry Friday, everyone! :D [09:51] TFIF!!! [09:52] Oooh, forgot about yesterdays meeting, was with a surveyor looking at a house [09:54] MooDoo: That about sums it up, yes. :) [09:56] I didn't know Iran calls us Little Satan [09:56] it's kinda cute [09:58] howdy [10:07] aloha [10:10] morning czajkowski how are you this fine day? [10:11] ntb [10:11] just relaxing [10:11] you in IE now or going later, can't remember what you said [10:11] plans changed so stayed in London [10:11] booooooo [10:16] Oooh. [10:16] Well, the web UI is very pretty on it [10:19] heya [10:19] awilkins: may I ask what (dont' have the scrollbag ability) [10:19] VirginMedia superhub [10:19] Heard mixed reports of it's goodness [10:20] TBH I'm not sure I want to give up my stalwart Buffalo running OpenWRT [10:20] I shall definitely need to work out how to keep my SSH server on it working [10:21] * BigRedS has trouble believing anything from Virgin to be good [10:21] Muhahahah, 30Mbit/s down 3Mbit/s up [10:21] Ahem [10:21] * awilkins gathers his composure [10:22] They did implement a "modem mode" [10:22] So you can just turn it into a dumb CM [10:22] Which I'm inclined to use from the get-go [10:23] good morning everyone. [10:25] i have mine in modem mode and use a different Wireless access point with mine [10:26] popey, I'm probably going to do the same, TBH. [10:26] popey, My existing access point is ancient and only supports ermmm. b? [10:26] I can't keep track of all these letters [10:27] But it runs OpenWRT nicely and gives me a SSH and WOL server [10:27] So I can pretty much get into anything on my network remotely from there, even if it's off [10:28] And apparently, my work laptop can't detect either of my access points now.. ? [10:28] Perhaps this is some unrelated thing [10:28] Or they are jamming each other [10:30] yeah, mine is a netgear wndr3700 running ddwrt [10:33] Hmm, laptop can't detect the neighbours routers either [10:33] I guess it's soft-borked or something [10:34] * bigcalm detects poptarts and ingests [10:34] Ah, unplugging the wire has restored it's ability to see wireless [10:35] OMG Harry Potter ♥ listening to the last few paragraphs of Deathly Hallows [10:35] popey: every day is a slipper day [10:35] Survival instinct, I suppose. Or ICT have installed something to stop it bridging our network into a wireless access point [10:35] i just read an article that EA games has created a "subscription service" for tetris, being part of it you get an "xp booster" so you can "level up" faster... tetris changed from what i played as a kid didn't it. [10:36] gord, that HAS to be satire, surely? [10:36] Oh my [10:37] Hmm. Superhub network connection 3 times faster than ancient router [10:37] (wireless) [10:37] Decisions, decisions [10:38] urrrrrrrgh [10:38] bigcalm: I have slippers on right now [10:38] (and other stuff, to be clear) [10:38] popey, Does your redirect DNS requests to a VM server if they fail? [10:38] awilkins: when the superhub wigs out (and it will), do you want it to stop you from accessing the rest of the LAN at the same time? [10:38] popey, Or did it, before you put it into modem mode [10:38] awilkins: that's an opt-out thing with VM AIUI [10:38] AlanBell: phew [10:39] AlanBell: Phwoar [10:39] o.O [10:39] gord: I remember playing tetris against my brothers with a cable connecting the two game boys [10:39] awilkins: i switched thet off [10:40] popey, Isn't that what earned Verizon so much ire.... honestly [10:40] * popey shrugs [10:40] i switched it off and no longer care ☺ [10:40] Same here [10:40] If it's mediated by the hub, it goes into modem mode tout suite [10:41] mediated? [10:41] it isnt, its a setting at the VM end which you can opt out of [10:41] Well, doesn't the hub do your DNS reqeusts? [10:41] You have to enable/disable it via the VM site [10:41] Ah [10:41] and no, my modem doesnt do my dns requests [10:41] You'll get a link to it upon the 1st DNS SNAFU [10:41] my desktop has dns servers setup directly [10:43] I do like DHCP, it means I have to fiddle with the multitude of devices just a little bit less [10:43] * awilkins turned it off [10:43] Yick [10:43] right, but you can put a different dns server in dhcp :) [10:43] That's better [10:44] That would have totally fubared some of my PAC scripts amongst other things [10:44] I let my Linksys router handle DNS and DHCP [10:44] bigcalm: I thin you'll get crap odds on that bet! [10:44] Yup, all my IP addresses are defined in the hosts file of my router [10:45] Daviey: its running ddwrt, I'm happy [10:45] Fill up /etc/hosts and /etc/ethers and wake-on-lan works very nicely [10:45] bigcalm: Are you using ipv6? [10:45] Do VM even offer IPv6? [10:45] Daviey: not yet, no [10:45] awilkins: no [10:45] Or do you have to fuddle with tunnels [10:46] bigcalm: you used to be cool, not now. [10:46] Haha [10:46] youtube changed the homepage and doesn't let me remove alan pope's poledancing video from my front page :( [10:46] mrevell [10:46] Computers are a tool for me these days. My tinkering days are a little behind me [10:47] Hey danhg_ [10:47] Well, modem mode, here we go. Back in a mo. [10:47] (dem) [10:47] :) [10:48] I'm upgrading to the VM SuperHub on the 7th Dec. [10:48] Currently still using a Surfboard 4100 [10:48] andyloughran: and the 1st thing you'll do is switch it into modem only mode? ;) [10:49] I need to read back through the conversation [10:49] * andyloughran doesn't have the benefit of scrollback [10:49] er - any particular reason why? [10:50] * HOHOHaney hasn't felt the need to do that yet [11:00] It seems modem-mode involves reflashing the firmware, it's been downloading something for some time now..... [11:00] Thank heavens for 3G [11:00] just joined, you referrinf to the superhub? [11:00] Yes [11:00] 15 [11:00] bah [11:01] awilkins I asked to join the beta test team on the virgin media forums, I have had it for a while [11:02] Modem mode was just there in the options, didn't want to have to reconfigure all my network [11:02] ... still downloading [11:02] popey: how long has it been again since I've last declared my undying love to you? ♥ (re: mailing list) [11:03] haha [11:03] o_O [11:03] * Myrtti bows to popey [11:04] steady on Myrtti you'll give him a big head [11:04] MooDoo: I thought his hairdo takes care of that already [11:04] no need for me to do anything [11:04] you being nice will make it bigger lol [11:05] MooDoo: he knows me and knows what I mean, I doubt it really has any effect on his head [11:05] Myrtti: i know i'm just teasing :) [11:05] Indeed, nice post [11:06] borders on STFU but hey ho [11:07] Oooh. A mailing list post about Unity. Fancy that :) [11:08] morning funksters [11:08] czajkowski: prod [11:08] THAT'S IT, I'M MOVING TO ARCH! [11:08] Nono, it's Mint this month [11:08] :p [11:08] davmor2: brat [11:08] i'm on using linux munge..new distro - heard of it? [11:08] HOHOHaney: No be a rebel use Ubuntu [11:09] davmor2: czajkowski do you two need to go on the naughtystep? [11:09] FEDORA ftw! [11:09] * HOHOHaney ho ho ho [11:09] MooDoo: I'm already there dude [11:09] hehe [11:09] http://open.spotify.com/track/5T9bJG4tMNms1fsib8Azvq :3 Christmas song of the day [11:09] not terrible like yesterday's, promise [11:09] HOHOHaney: I bet it is [11:10] * HOHOHaney sulks [11:11] Oooh, I saw emmy the great live a couple of years ago [11:11] you know what's really funny tho [11:11] I've used Xubuntu for years [11:11] Myrtti: lee evans? [11:11] My xmas pick for the day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNbsQ8eDbA [11:11] I saw her live a month or so ago [11:11] with 11.10 I moved back to Ubuntu :-D [11:11] was good [11:11] Myrtti: you don't need multi monitor support then? :) [11:12] bigcalm: no, but on the tablet Unity/GnomeShell are quite nice. Better than Gnome2, but still need work [11:12] and then Unity grew on me and I decided to have it on the laptop as well [11:12] bigcalm: I use unity on multi monitors..... [11:12] I agree. And I'm looking forward to returning to Unity once I can use it on 3 monitors without it being silly [11:12] bigcalm: I saw the demo of the upcoming multimonitor support trust me it will be AWESOME! [11:13] * daubers obviously uses his monitors wrong compared to everyone else [11:13] davmor2: goodo :) [11:13] daubers: how so? [11:13] * HOHOHaney sits atop his xmonad-built ivory tower [11:13] still figuring out multi-montior support down there? [11:13] czajkowski: by the way you'll like my xmas pick [11:13] * HOHOHaney quaffs some port [11:14] bigcalm: People complain about multimonitor support, but I've not had an issue..... [11:14] My added complication is my 2nd monitor is rotated 90 deg [11:14] daubers: Intel or AMD? [11:14] I always think that if X Just Worked it'd take a lot of the fun out of Linux for many people [11:14] Myrtti: nvidia [11:14] ooo, you're speshul [11:15] nvidia is special? I have 2 nvidia gfx cards in this machine to get something close to what I need [11:15] multimonitor works pretty well on my nvidia system and intel :( [11:15] easier to fix things when they break for you too [11:17] gord: We must be doing it wrong or something [11:20] the process kind of sucks on everything though, i just want to plug in a second monitor and have everything magically work [11:21] if wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak [11:22] anyone else tried the unity launcher on the bottom yet? [11:25] here it is in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYH13qQZZe8 [11:26] think i quite like it at the bottom [11:27] me too [11:27] it's the small things that make some people happy :) === Window_Licker is now known as WindowLicker === WindowLicker is now known as Window_Licker [11:39] oimon: what resolution is your screen? [11:40] thats my kitchen sink box [11:40] probably 1280x1024 [11:40] it's got every DE going installed on it [11:40] heh [11:41] mine's 1920x1080, makes no sense having the launcher at the bottom [11:41] my other box is 1920x1080 [11:41] my docky is at the bottom on it [11:42] i tried docky on the side and hated it [11:51] What's a DE, oimon? [11:51] desktop extension? === funkyHat2 is now known as funkyHat [11:52] desktop environment, e.g. LXDE, Gnome, KDE, etc [11:52] ah I see [11:52] What about fvwm, twm, xfce and cde? ;) [11:53] i have xfce on there too :) [11:53] oh, and 4Dwm... [11:53] as we approach 12.04 LTS i am trying to decide which distro and DE i will go forward with on my machines [11:53] lucid has served me well [11:54] but i have tons of PPAs [11:54] funkyHat: fixed the connection yet? [11:54] gnome shell is about to become usable with the extensions so i am tempted [11:55] Myrtti: it's not a connection issue, I haven't figured out what it is yet though [11:55] you just flooded all my channels so much I lost track on which channel I'm on [11:56] ⢁( sorry [11:56] * dwatkins has joins, parts, quits on ignore in most places [11:56] indeed [11:56] I do also [11:57] occasionally I'm talking to someone and they disappear, reboot etc. but tab-complete is enough to let me check someone's online. [11:57] nods [11:57] I find it difficult to be an op with having them ignored [11:57] so I don't [11:57] same reason [11:57] plus its not too big of an issue 95% of the time [11:57] After my server reboots irssi seems to go a bit mad. It seems to get started up more than once, then the instances fight each other for my nicks... I guess [11:57] Myrtti: per channel might help, unless you're an op in here [11:57] Myrtti: what sorts of things do you need them for, and could you have two logins, one you rarely use but that has them enabled? [11:57] I'm not sure why it gets started up more than once [11:58] I don't have them showing up in my irssi status bar tho [11:58] ah ok [11:58] czajkowski: I'm an op on all the channels we share and he flooded in [11:58] including this [11:58] nods [12:00] dwatkins: two logins is too much of a hassle, it's not too bad usually. Need to check for joinfloods, banevasion etc [12:00] ah I see, yes [12:00] I used to keep a 2nd login to a channel I'm an op on in case I needed to check when someone went on/offline [12:01] I guess we don't get much ban-evasion there, and when we do it's pretty obvious from the username etc. [12:01] irc proxies \o/ [12:01] gord: you mean like running irssi inside a screen session on the other side of the atlantic... *whistles* [12:01] dwatkins, i mean like running znc or something :) something you connect something else like irssi or xchat or whatever to [12:02] irssi has a proxy mode itself, its pretty crap though [12:02] I use the proxy mode to use with a mobile phone client [12:03] not tried that yet [12:03] haven't for a long time tho, irssi connectbot is such a nice ssh app so it doesn't really matter anymore [12:04] I like it when code.google.com pages have a qrcode on them :) [12:04] is that like an android market link or something? [12:05] yeah, like this: http://code.google.com/p/irssi-connectbot/ [12:05] I use the regular connectbot with a saved thing for irssi [12:05] strange, it doesn't actually work, but I like the idea [12:07] oh man, I feel blue now [12:07] da ba dee? [12:07] Harry Potter ;____; [12:07] aye irssi connectbot is excellent [12:08] I enjoyed the last HP film, the one before it was rather meh, though. [12:08] I'm just glad it's all over tbh [12:08] Also, what's with them touting 3D everywhere? [12:08] dwatkins: aye why do all films now have to be in £D [12:08] czajkowski: yeah, to be honest, I was a little glad of that side of ti too. [12:08] 3D [12:08] I get that its funky and nice to do [12:08] but really.... most films dont do it well [12:09] czajkowski: I think it's the film industry trying to attract people back to the cinema instead of staying at home watching HD movies on their plasma TV [12:09] i just bought a bunch of 3d movies :P [12:09] for my hd 3d tv! [12:09] gord: you would [12:09] :) [12:09] * gord stays at home [12:09] gord: do you require glasses to watch them? [12:09] yup [12:09] My TV is 3D-capable, but I don't have 3D glasses [12:09] I don't think I've seen any of the movies past HP2 [12:09] So no 3D for me [12:09] also, headaches [12:09] what happens if there are more people than glasses? [12:09] i get that some people don't like glasses, thats fine, whatever, i don't mind :) [12:09] MartijnVdS: so why on earth dd you buy one [12:09] have tried to have read the book before the movie and I just finished 6 and 7 this week [12:09] they are damn expensive... stood on one once, whoops, £100 down the drain [12:10] gord: blame the cat next time [12:10] czajkowski: The TV is fine, it just didn't come with 3D glasses :) [12:10] I hugely dislike the 3D movies in the cinema [12:10] czajkowski: it just has the option for 3D if you decide to buy glasses later [12:10] czajkowski: main reason is the built in satellite tuner though :) [12:10] Avatar was the best still by far [12:10] all others have been a massive let down [12:10] to be honest movies still aren't that great in 3D, there are a few that are absolutely fantastic, but not many. video games are good with 3d :) [12:11] I find 3D tends to be badly adjusted in cinemas so there's bleed-through from one eye's image to the other [12:11] dwatkins: that might explain the headaches [12:11] most cinema's will also use regular bulbs instead of the once that are twice as bright, which you need for 3d.. so you get a dim image [12:11] oh dear [12:12] just had to check how much the audiobooks would be as CDs [12:12] what a ripoff [12:13] ah that's why it's a bit dim, thanks gord [12:13] really hope they don't ruin pirates of the Caribean by doing 3D in the future [12:13] * Myrtti spanks gord for a typo [12:14] czajkowski, 4 was 3D [12:14] Myrtti: But JK Rowling and Stephen Fry have to eat too! [12:14] gord: ahhh ddidnt notice that [12:14] ones/once. same thing! [12:14] MartijnVdS: I know, that's why I thought of buying them [12:14] gord: tis not [12:14] ohh I'd listen to stephen fry tell a story [12:14] nice soothing voice [12:14] czajkowski, to be honest... three already ruined pirates of the Caribbean ;) that was a hard movie to make it through... [12:15] gord: shush or no bickies for you [12:15] perhaps I'll just save up to get them on Audible [12:15] I listen to a lot of audio books driving between Edinburgh and London, you can pay 4 pounds a month for a subscription to audible.co.uk and get one free audio book a month. [12:15] Hmm, the red light and misleading uplink flashing wasn't the modem getting a new firmware. [12:15] saves a lot, that [12:15] wow ubuntu-uk ml is rather talkative this morning [12:15] Just needed to reboot my router to get DHCP address [12:16] Grragh, just sat waiting for an hour for no reason <-- plonker [12:16] dwatkins: yeah, I had that for some time but I've cut my excess spending since - I've got loads of audiobooks still in there that I haven't finished so I'm not terribly worried [12:16] Myrtti: yeah, I have about 4 credits yet to use, but am taking the train there tonight, so may get another one for this trip. [12:17] now the only splurge I allow myself is Spotify, partly because a friend gave me 40EUR as a present on paypal that had nothing else than spotify payments [12:17] my tolerance for ubuntu haters is low today ☺ [12:17] popey: nice replay re trademarks [12:18] only issue I have with them is it takes more than a week to get a reply from them. but it is the only place to get a definate reply and ok from [12:18] Myrtti: I'm fearful of Spotify, if you stop subscribing don't you lose your music? [12:19] yes dwatkins [12:19] but it's not your music anyway ☺ [12:19] no commerical music ever really is [12:20] dwatkins: one of the reasons I keep paying for it, but it doesn't matter to me that much anyway - I know I could get the music cheaper somewhere else - it's the ease of user experience that I pay for [12:21] a) 95% of the time everything I look for is in Spotify and I don't have to look anywhere else 2) it works on my Ubuntu 3) it works on my phone 4) I can make my own playlists and share them [12:23] for the same reason I've paid for audible, last.fm and other services in the past [12:24] I considered investigating Spotify, Sky Music etc. but havn't done so yet. [12:24] I bought an album by Feist because of the song 1,2,3,4, then realised I prefer the version she did on Sesame Street ;) [12:24] popey: but it's not free software!11! [12:25] shock horror [12:25] news at 11 [12:25] I know I don't own the music on my phone/mp3 player, but I like to be able to listen to it when the label has gone bust or I'm in a tunnel ;) [12:33] Anybody interested in these games? http://marathon.sourceforge.net/ [12:35] wow [12:35] :D [12:35] he's back :D [12:35] :D [12:36] dwatkins: I happily use Spotify offline === andylock1an is now known as andylockran [12:42] well that was a bit of hassle [12:47] *phew* [12:47] yeah [12:47] that was a display of *why* I don't ignore joins and quits and such [12:47] how come? [12:47] Myrtti: ? [12:48] `-` joined pretty much all the ubuntu channels there are [12:49] excess flooded themselves out on the first attempt to announce the world that #ubuntu ops suck, but eventually got k-lined [12:49] amazing how much excess time and malice people have in the world [12:50] gord: I think it's gonna be cancelled for december we'll sort out a date for January instead [12:51] davmor2, no prob, platform rally in early jan though remember [12:51] gord: we can make it latter it was only early to catter for xmas and parties ect [12:51]