[00:00] <AlanBell> is there a siri gtk app?
[00:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:00] <shauno> but most the reason I buy apple is because I want it to work out of the box.  I don't want to be proud of my duct-tape creation anymore
[00:00] <Azelphur> AlanBell: dunno, wouldn't be that difficult to make one
[00:00] <HOHOHaney> yeah, it would be cool to reverse engineer it
[00:00] <AlanBell> it has been reverse engineered and documented somewhere I think
[00:01] <AlanBell> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/a-look-at-how-applidium-reverse-engineered-siris-protocol.ars
[03:54] <siya> Argh... Running 11.04 w GNOME3, not able to dist-upgrade to 11.10
[03:55] <siya> Something about pinned packages (which I don't have) etc. Can't find any reason... :(
[03:55] <siya> Anyone still awake out there w any clue?
[04:05] <siya> "sudo aptitude remove nspluginwrapper" (got there by looking at the log files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/)
[08:02] <popey> morning
[08:03] <daubers> Morning
[08:04] <popey> yo
[08:11] <daubers> popey: You down with the kids now?
[08:11] <DJones> Morning all
[08:24] <popey> word
[08:33] <danfish> morning
[08:34] <danfish> a squirrel chewed through a piece of cat5 I've got on the outside of the house :(
[08:34] <danfish> cat5 does not look in anyway nut-like
[08:35] <danfish> must have been a myopic squirrel
[08:36] <daubers> maybe it was expecting nuts over TCP?
[08:36] <daubers> Or just wanted to steal your interwebs to buy nuts on ebay?
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> Metal pipe \o/
[08:45] <danfish> daubers: so if I open up the wifi for them thay should leave the cable alone!
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> danfish: only if you tell them the passwords
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> but you'd be nuts if you did that
[08:46] <danfish> quite
[08:48] <daubers> danfish: OR! You could just give them some nuts to go away
[08:49] <daubers> Might be cheaper
[08:49] <daubers> Or use PoE :D
[08:49] <daubers> *nom* *nom* *nom* *BANG*
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> PoE is great, I'm going to configure some PoE access points tomorrow :)
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> Providing wifi to a camping in a forest
[08:51] <danfish> daubers: haha
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> daubers: too bad PoE is only 48V DC
[08:51] <danfish> I wonder what squirrel tastes like?
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Nutty
[08:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:01] <MooDoo> it's a bit cold this morning :S
[09:02] <danfish> crisp and sunny here :)
[09:07] <MooDoo> cold on the bike :)
[09:20] <oimon> i asked a question in the irc channel for a certain fashionable distro about how to check some settings, and got the fanboy answer, which was essentially, don't worry about it, $distro is $otherdistro done right!
[09:21] <oimon> i found out that was certainly not the case
[09:23] <danfish> ooh, nice. My current fav android ROM are getting their ICS build ready http://t.co/afzWeCfL
[09:24]  * oimon wants ICS on touchpad NOW
[09:27]  * MartijnVdS has ICS on his phone
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Galaxy Nexus
[09:28] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: what phone and cm9?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Galaxy Nexus and stock firmware :)
[09:28] <MooDoo> cool
[09:33] <oimon> MartijnVdS: thoughts?
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> It's huge :)
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> but it's fast
[09:39] <oimon> solves the android on tablet problem?
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's a phone, not a tablet
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> I don't have ICS on my Xoom yet
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> But honeycomb on Xoom isn't bad either
[09:41] <bigcalm> Oh sod
[09:41] <bigcalm> I missed yesterday's meeting at lunchtime
[09:41] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[09:42] <bigcalm> What did I miss?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you got the taking-over-the-world bit?
[09:43] <awilkins> Darn, my phone has been listening to this channel jabber all night
[09:43] <bigcalm> I always thought that sabdfl was up to something
[09:44] <awilkins> New router arrived.... Muahahahaha
[09:46] <awilkins> Soon I will have 30Mbit/s of pulsating power bandwidth
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> only 30? :P
[09:46] <awilkins> I find 10 to be pretty luxurious
[09:47] <awilkins> I got 30 because the download throttling thresholds are getting a bit low
[09:47] <awilkins> And because my Mother-in-law doesn't hang round the house all day anymore so I saved money by cancelling the unlimited calling package
[09:48] <awilkins> More bandwidth for less cash, bargain
[09:49] <awilkins> Right, time to lose carrier
[09:50] <JamesTait> Merry Friday, everyone! :D
[09:51] <MooDoo> TFIF!!!
[09:52] <daubers> Oooh, forgot about yesterdays meeting, was with a surveyor looking at a house
[09:54] <JamesTait> MooDoo: That about sums it up, yes. :)
[09:56] <monsterwizard> I didn't know Iran calls us Little Satan
[09:56] <monsterwizard> it's kinda cute
[09:58] <andyloughran> howdy
[10:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:10] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski how are you this fine day?
[10:11] <czajkowski> ntb
[10:11] <czajkowski> just relaxing
[10:11] <MooDoo> you in IE now or going later, can't remember what you said
[10:11] <czajkowski> plans changed so stayed in London
[10:11] <MooDoo> booooooo
[10:16] <awilkins> Oooh.
[10:16] <awilkins> Well, the web UI is very pretty on it
[10:19] <andyloughran> heya
[10:19] <andyloughran> awilkins: may I ask what (dont' have the scrollbag ability)
[10:19] <awilkins> VirginMedia superhub
[10:19] <awilkins> Heard mixed reports of it's goodness
[10:20] <awilkins> TBH I'm not sure I want to give up my stalwart Buffalo running OpenWRT
[10:20] <awilkins> I shall definitely need to work out how to keep my SSH server on it working
[10:21]  * BigRedS has trouble believing anything from Virgin to be good
[10:21] <awilkins> Muhahahah, 30Mbit/s down 3Mbit/s up
[10:21] <awilkins> Ahem
[10:21]  * awilkins gathers his composure
[10:22] <awilkins> They did implement a "modem mode"
[10:22] <awilkins> So you can just turn it into a dumb CM
[10:22] <awilkins> Which I'm inclined to use from the get-go
[10:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:25] <popey> i have mine in modem mode and use a different Wireless access point with mine
[10:26] <awilkins> popey, I'm probably going to do the same, TBH.
[10:26] <awilkins> popey, My existing access point is ancient and only supports ermmm. b?
[10:26] <awilkins> I can't keep track of all these letters
[10:27] <awilkins> But it runs OpenWRT nicely and gives me a SSH and WOL server
[10:27] <awilkins> So I can pretty much get into anything on my network remotely from there, even if it's off
[10:28] <awilkins> And apparently, my work laptop can't detect either of my access points now.. ?
[10:28] <awilkins> Perhaps this is some unrelated thing
[10:28] <awilkins> Or they are jamming each other
[10:30] <popey> yeah, mine is a netgear wndr3700 running ddwrt
[10:33] <awilkins> Hmm, laptop can't detect the neighbours routers either
[10:33] <awilkins> I guess it's soft-borked or something
[10:34]  * bigcalm detects poptarts and ingests
[10:34] <awilkins> Ah, unplugging the wire has restored it's ability to see wireless
[10:35] <Myrtti> OMG Harry Potter ♥ listening to the last few paragraphs of Deathly Hallows
[10:35] <bigcalm> popey: every day is a slipper day
[10:35] <awilkins> Survival instinct, I suppose. Or ICT have installed something to stop it bridging our network into a wireless access point
[10:35] <gord> i just read an article that EA games has created a "subscription service" for tetris, being part of it you get an "xp booster" so you can "level up" faster... tetris changed from what i played as a kid didn't it.
[10:36] <awilkins> gord, that HAS to be satire, surely?
[10:36] <bigcalm> Oh my
[10:37] <awilkins> Hmm. Superhub network connection 3 times faster than ancient router
[10:37] <awilkins> (wireless)
[10:37] <awilkins> Decisions, decisions
[10:38] <awilkins> urrrrrrrgh
[10:38] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I have slippers on right now
[10:38] <AlanBell> (and other stuff, to be clear)
[10:38] <awilkins> popey, Does your redirect DNS requests to a VM server if they fail?
[10:38] <bigcalm> awilkins: when the superhub wigs out (and it will), do you want it to stop you from accessing the rest of the LAN at the same time?
[10:38] <awilkins> popey, Or did it, before you put it into modem mode
[10:38] <BigRedS> awilkins: that's an opt-out thing with VM AIUI
[10:38] <bigcalm> AlanBell: phew
[10:39] <BigRedS> AlanBell: Phwoar
[10:39] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:39] <daubers> gord: I remember playing tetris against my brothers with a cable connecting the two game boys
[10:39] <popey> awilkins: i switched thet off
[10:40] <awilkins> popey, Isn't that what earned Verizon so much ire.... honestly
[10:40]  * popey shrugs
[10:40] <popey> i switched it off and no longer care ☺
[10:40] <bigcalm> Same here
[10:40] <awilkins> If it's mediated by the hub, it goes into modem mode tout suite
[10:41] <popey> mediated?
[10:41] <popey> it isnt, its a setting at the VM end which you can opt out of
[10:41] <awilkins> Well, doesn't the hub do your DNS reqeusts?
[10:41] <bigcalm> You have to enable/disable it via the VM site
[10:41] <awilkins> Ah
[10:41] <popey> and no, my modem doesnt do my dns requests
[10:41] <bigcalm> You'll get a link to it upon the 1st DNS SNAFU
[10:41] <popey> my desktop has dns servers setup directly
[10:43] <bigcalm> I do like DHCP, it means I have to fiddle with the multitude of devices just a little bit less
[10:43]  * awilkins turned it off
[10:43] <awilkins> Yick
[10:43] <Daviey> right, but you can put a different dns server in dhcp :)
[10:43] <awilkins> That's better
[10:44] <awilkins> That would have totally fubared some of my PAC scripts amongst other things
[10:44] <bigcalm> I let my Linksys router handle DNS and DHCP
[10:44] <Daviey> bigcalm: I thin you'll get crap odds on that bet!
[10:44] <awilkins> Yup, all my IP addresses are defined in the hosts file of my router
[10:45] <bigcalm> Daviey: its running ddwrt, I'm happy
[10:45] <awilkins> Fill up /etc/hosts and /etc/ethers and wake-on-lan works very nicely
[10:45] <Daviey> bigcalm: Are you using ipv6?
[10:45] <awilkins> Do VM even offer IPv6?
[10:45] <bigcalm> Daviey: not yet, no
[10:45] <bigcalm> awilkins: no
[10:45] <awilkins> Or do you have to fuddle with tunnels
[10:46] <Daviey> bigcalm: you used to be cool, not now.
[10:46] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:46] <oimon> youtube changed the homepage and doesn't let me remove alan pope's poledancing video from my front page :(
[10:46] <danhg_> mrevell
[10:46] <bigcalm> Computers are a tool for me these days. My tinkering days are a little behind me
[10:47] <mrevell> Hey danhg_
[10:47] <awilkins> Well, modem mode, here we go. Back in a mo.
[10:47] <awilkins> (dem)
[10:47] <bigcalm> :)
[10:48] <andyloughran> I'm upgrading to the VM SuperHub on the 7th Dec.
[10:48] <andyloughran> Currently still using a Surfboard 4100
[10:48] <bigcalm> andyloughran: and the 1st thing you'll do is switch it into modem only mode? ;)
[10:49] <andyloughran> I need to read back through the conversation
[10:49]  * andyloughran doesn't have the benefit of scrollback
[10:49] <andyloughran> er - any particular reason why?
[10:50]  * HOHOHaney hasn't felt the need to do that yet
[11:00] <awilkins> It seems modem-mode involves reflashing the firmware, it's been downloading something for some time now.....
[11:00] <awilkins> Thank heavens for 3G
[11:00] <greg__> just joined, you referrinf to the superhub?
[11:00] <awilkins> Yes
[11:00] <popey> 15
[11:00] <popey> bah
[11:01] <greg__> awilkins I asked to join the beta test  team on the virgin media forums, I have had it for a while
[11:02] <awilkins> Modem mode was just there in the options, didn't want to have to reconfigure all my network
[11:02] <awilkins> ... still downloading
[11:02] <Myrtti> popey: how long has it been again since I've last declared my undying love to you? ♥ (re: mailing list)
[11:03] <popey> haha
[11:03] <MooDoo> o_O
[11:03]  * Myrtti bows to popey 
[11:04] <MooDoo> steady on Myrtti you'll give him a big head
[11:04] <Myrtti> MooDoo: I thought his hairdo takes care of that already
[11:04] <Myrtti> no need for me to do anything
[11:04] <MooDoo> you being nice will make it bigger lol
[11:05] <Myrtti> MooDoo: he knows me and knows what I mean, I doubt it really has any effect on his head
[11:05] <MooDoo> Myrtti: i know i'm just teasing :)
[11:05] <bigcalm> Indeed, nice post
[11:06] <popey> borders on STFU but hey ho
[11:07] <BigRedS> Oooh. A mailing list post about Unity. Fancy that :)
[11:08] <davmor2> morning funksters
[11:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:08] <HOHOHaney> THAT'S IT, I'M MOVING TO ARCH!
[11:08] <BigRedS> Nono, it's Mint this month
[11:08] <andyloughran> :p
[11:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: brat
[11:08] <oimon> i'm on using linux munge..new distro - heard of it?
[11:08] <davmor2> HOHOHaney: No be a rebel use Ubuntu
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski do you two need to go on the naughtystep?
[11:09] <MooDoo> FEDORA ftw!
[11:09]  * HOHOHaney ho ho ho
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm already there dude
[11:09] <MooDoo> hehe
[11:09] <HOHOHaney> http://open.spotify.com/track/5T9bJG4tMNms1fsib8Azvq :3 Christmas song of the day
[11:09] <HOHOHaney> not terrible like yesterday's, promise
[11:09] <davmor2> HOHOHaney: I bet it is
[11:10]  * HOHOHaney sulks
[11:11] <daubers> Oooh, I saw emmy the great live a couple of years ago
[11:11] <Myrtti> you know what's really funny tho
[11:11] <Myrtti> I've used Xubuntu for years
[11:11] <MooDoo> Myrtti: lee evans?
[11:11] <davmor2> My xmas pick for the day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNbsQ8eDbA
[11:11] <HOHOHaney> I saw her live a month or so ago
[11:11] <Myrtti> with 11.10 I moved back to Ubuntu :-D
[11:11] <HOHOHaney> was good
[11:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: you don't need multi monitor support then? :)
[11:12] <Myrtti> bigcalm: no, but on the tablet Unity/GnomeShell are quite nice. Better than Gnome2, but still need work
[11:12] <Myrtti> and then Unity grew on me and I decided to have it on the laptop as well
[11:12] <daubers> bigcalm: I use unity on multi monitors.....
[11:12] <bigcalm> I agree. And I'm looking forward to returning to Unity once I can use it on 3 monitors without it being silly
[11:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: I saw the demo of the upcoming multimonitor support trust me it will be AWESOME!
[11:13]  * daubers obviously uses his monitors wrong compared to everyone else
[11:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: goodo :)
[11:13] <bigcalm> daubers: how so?
[11:13]  * HOHOHaney sits atop his xmonad-built ivory tower
[11:13] <HOHOHaney> still figuring out multi-montior support down there?
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: by the way you'll like my xmas pick
[11:13]  * HOHOHaney quaffs some port
[11:14] <daubers> bigcalm: People complain about multimonitor support, but I've not had an issue.....
[11:14] <bigcalm> My added complication is my 2nd monitor is rotated 90 deg
[11:14] <Myrtti> daubers: Intel or AMD?
[11:14] <BigRedS> I always think that if X Just Worked it'd take a lot of the fun out of Linux for many people
[11:14] <daubers> Myrtti: nvidia
[11:14] <Myrtti> ooo, you're speshul
[11:15] <bigcalm> nvidia is special? I have 2 nvidia gfx cards in this machine to get something close to what I need
[11:15] <gord> multimonitor works pretty well on my nvidia system and intel :(
[11:15] <gord> easier to fix things when they break for you too
[11:17] <daubers> gord: We must be doing it wrong or something
[11:20] <gord> the process kind of sucks on everything though, i just want to plug in a second monitor and have everything magically work
[11:21] <daubers> if wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak
[11:22] <oimon> anyone else tried the unity launcher on the bottom yet?
[11:25] <oimon> here it is in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYH13qQZZe8
[11:26] <MooDoo> think i quite like it at the bottom
[11:27] <oimon> me too
[11:27] <oimon> it's the small things that make some people happy :)
[11:39] <popey> oimon: what resolution is your screen?
[11:40] <oimon> thats my kitchen sink box
[11:40] <oimon> probably 1280x1024
[11:40] <oimon> it's got every DE going installed on it
[11:40] <popey> heh
[11:41] <popey> mine's 1920x1080, makes no sense having the launcher at the bottom
[11:41] <oimon> my other box is 1920x1080
[11:41] <oimon> my docky is at the bottom on it
[11:42] <oimon> i tried docky on the side and hated it
[11:51] <dwatkins> What's a DE, oimon?
[11:51] <dwatkins> desktop extension?
[11:52] <oimon> desktop environment, e.g. LXDE, Gnome, KDE, etc
[11:52] <dwatkins> ah I see
[11:52] <dwatkins> What about fvwm, twm, xfce and cde? ;)
[11:53] <oimon> i have xfce on there too :)
[11:53] <dwatkins> oh, and 4Dwm...
[11:53] <oimon> as we approach 12.04 LTS i am trying to decide which distro and DE i will go forward with on my machines
[11:53] <oimon> lucid has served me well
[11:54] <oimon> but i have tons of PPAs
[11:54] <Myrtti> funkyHat: fixed the connection yet?
[11:54] <oimon> gnome shell is about to become usable with the extensions so i am tempted
[11:55] <funkyHat> Myrtti: it's not a connection issue, I haven't figured out what it is yet though
[11:55] <Myrtti> you just flooded all my channels so much I lost track on which channel I'm on
[11:56] <funkyHat> ⢁( sorry
[11:56]  * dwatkins has joins, parts, quits on ignore in most places 
[11:56] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:56] <czajkowski> I do also
[11:57] <dwatkins> occasionally I'm talking to someone and they disappear, reboot etc. but tab-complete is enough to let me check someone's online.
[11:57] <czajkowski> nods
[11:57] <Myrtti> I find it difficult to be an op with having them ignored
[11:57] <Myrtti> so I don't
[11:57] <gord> same reason
[11:57] <gord> plus its not too big of an issue 95% of the time
[11:57] <funkyHat> After my server reboots irssi seems to go a bit mad. It seems to get started up more than once, then the instances fight each other for my nicks... I guess
[11:57] <czajkowski> Myrtti: per channel might help, unless you're an op in here
[11:57] <dwatkins> Myrtti: what sorts of things do you need them for, and could you have two logins, one you rarely use but that has them enabled?
[11:57] <funkyHat> I'm not sure why it gets started up more than once
[11:58] <Myrtti> I don't have them showing up in my irssi status bar tho
[11:58] <czajkowski> ah ok
[11:58] <Myrtti> czajkowski: I'm an op on all the channels we share and he flooded in
[11:58] <Myrtti> including this
[11:58] <czajkowski> nods
[12:00] <Myrtti> dwatkins: two logins is too much of a hassle, it's not too bad usually. Need to check for joinfloods, banevasion etc
[12:00] <dwatkins> ah I see, yes
[12:00] <dwatkins> I used to keep a 2nd login to a channel I'm an op on in case I needed to check when someone went on/offline
[12:01] <dwatkins> I guess we don't get much ban-evasion there, and when we do it's pretty obvious from the username etc.
[12:01] <gord> irc proxies \o/
[12:01] <dwatkins> gord: you mean like running irssi inside a screen session on the other side of the atlantic... *whistles*
[12:01] <gord> dwatkins, i mean like running znc or something :) something you connect something else like irssi or xchat or whatever to
[12:02] <gord> irssi has a proxy mode itself, its pretty crap though
[12:02] <Myrtti> I use the proxy mode to use with a mobile phone client
[12:03] <dwatkins> not tried that yet
[12:03] <Myrtti> haven't for a long time tho, irssi connectbot is such a nice ssh app so it doesn't really matter anymore
[12:04] <dwatkins> I like it when code.google.com pages have a qrcode on them :)
[12:04] <gord> is that like an android market link or something?
[12:05] <dwatkins> yeah, like this: http://code.google.com/p/irssi-connectbot/
[12:05] <funkyHat> I use the regular connectbot with a saved thing for irssi
[12:05] <dwatkins> strange, it doesn't actually work, but I like the idea
[12:07] <Myrtti> oh man, I feel blue now
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> da ba dee?
[12:07] <Myrtti> Harry Potter ;____;
[12:07] <czajkowski> aye irssi connectbot is excellent
[12:08] <dwatkins> I enjoyed the last HP film, the one before it was rather meh, though.
[12:08] <czajkowski> I'm just glad it's all over tbh
[12:08] <dwatkins> Also, what's with them touting 3D everywhere?
[12:08] <czajkowski> dwatkins: aye why do all films now have to be in £D
[12:08] <dwatkins> czajkowski: yeah, to be honest, I was a little glad of that side of ti too.
[12:08] <czajkowski> 3D
[12:08] <czajkowski> I get that its funky and nice to do
[12:08] <czajkowski> but really.... most films dont do it well
[12:09] <dwatkins> czajkowski: I think it's the film industry trying to attract people back to the cinema instead of staying at home watching HD movies on their plasma TV
[12:09] <gord> i just bought a bunch of 3d movies :P
[12:09] <gord> for my hd 3d tv!
[12:09] <czajkowski> gord: you would
[12:09] <czajkowski> :)
[12:09]  * gord stays at home
[12:09] <dwatkins> gord: do you require glasses to watch them?
[12:09] <gord> yup
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> My TV is 3D-capable, but I don't have 3D glasses
[12:09] <Myrtti> I don't think I've seen any of the movies past HP2
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> So no 3D for me
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> also, headaches
[12:09] <dwatkins> what happens if there are more people than glasses?
[12:09] <gord> i get that some people don't like glasses, thats fine, whatever, i don't mind :)
[12:09] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: so why on earth dd you buy one
[12:09] <Myrtti> have tried to have read the book before the movie and I just finished 6 and 7 this week
[12:09] <gord> they are damn expensive... stood on one once, whoops, £100 down the drain
[12:10] <czajkowski> gord: blame the cat next time
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: The TV is fine, it just didn't come with 3D glasses :)
[12:10] <Myrtti> I hugely dislike the 3D movies in the cinema
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: it just has the option for 3D if you decide to buy  glasses later
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: main reason is the built in satellite tuner though :)
[12:10] <czajkowski> Avatar was the best still by far
[12:10] <czajkowski> all others have been a massive let down
[12:10] <gord> to be honest movies still aren't that great in 3D, there are a few that are absolutely fantastic, but not many. video games are good with 3d :)
[12:11] <dwatkins> I find 3D tends to be badly adjusted in cinemas so there's bleed-through from one eye's image to the other
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that might explain the headaches
[12:11] <gord> most cinema's will also use regular bulbs instead of the once that are twice as bright, which you need for 3d.. so you get a dim image
[12:11] <Myrtti> oh dear
[12:12] <Myrtti> just had to check how much the audiobooks would be as CDs
[12:12] <Myrtti> what a ripoff
[12:13] <dwatkins> ah that's why it's a bit dim, thanks gord
[12:13] <czajkowski> really hope they don't ruin pirates of the Caribean by doing 3D in the future
[12:13]  * Myrtti spanks gord for a typo
[12:14] <gord> czajkowski, 4 was 3D
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: But JK Rowling and Stephen Fry have to eat too!
[12:14] <czajkowski> gord: ahhh ddidnt notice that
[12:14] <gord> ones/once. same thing!
[12:14] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: I know, that's why I thought of buying them
[12:14] <Myrtti> gord: tis not
[12:14] <czajkowski> ohh I'd listen to stephen fry tell a story
[12:14] <czajkowski> nice soothing voice
[12:14] <gord> czajkowski, to be honest... three already ruined pirates of the Caribbean ;) that was a hard movie to make it through...
[12:15] <czajkowski> gord: shush or no bickies for you
[12:15] <Myrtti> perhaps I'll just save up to get them on Audible
[12:15] <dwatkins> I listen to a lot of audio books driving between Edinburgh and London, you can pay 4 pounds a month for a subscription to audible.co.uk and get one free audio book a month.
[12:15] <awilkins> Hmm, the red light and misleading uplink flashing wasn't the modem getting a new firmware.
[12:15] <dwatkins> saves a lot, that
[12:15] <czajkowski> wow ubuntu-uk ml is rather talkative this morning
[12:15] <awilkins> Just needed to reboot my router to get DHCP address
[12:16] <awilkins> Grragh, just sat waiting for an hour for no reason <-- plonker
[12:16] <Myrtti> dwatkins: yeah, I had that for some time but I've cut my excess spending since - I've got loads of audiobooks still in there that I haven't finished so I'm not terribly worried
[12:16] <dwatkins> Myrtti: yeah, I have about 4 credits yet to use, but am taking the train there tonight, so may get another one for this trip.
[12:17] <Myrtti> now the only splurge I allow myself is Spotify, partly because a friend gave me 40EUR as a present on paypal that had nothing else than spotify payments
[12:17] <popey> my tolerance for ubuntu haters is low today ☺
[12:17] <czajkowski> popey: nice replay re trademarks
[12:18] <czajkowski> only issue I have with them is it takes more than a week to get a reply from them. but it is the only place to get a definate reply and ok from
[12:18] <dwatkins> Myrtti: I'm fearful of Spotify, if you stop subscribing don't you lose your music?
[12:19] <popey> yes dwatkins
[12:19] <popey> but it's not your music anyway ☺
[12:19] <popey> no commerical music ever really is
[12:20] <Myrtti> dwatkins: one of the reasons I keep paying for it, but it doesn't matter to me that much anyway - I know I could get the music cheaper somewhere else - it's the ease of user experience that I pay for
[12:21] <Myrtti> a) 95% of the time everything I look for is in Spotify and I don't have to look anywhere else 2) it works on my Ubuntu 3) it works on my phone 4) I can make my own playlists and share them
[12:23] <Myrtti> for the same reason I've paid for audible, last.fm and other services in the past
[12:24] <dwatkins> I considered investigating Spotify, Sky Music etc. but havn't done so yet.
[12:24] <dwatkins> I bought an album by Feist because of the song 1,2,3,4, then realised I prefer the version she did on Sesame Street ;)
[12:24] <Daviey> popey: but it's not free software!11!
[12:25] <Myrtti> shock horror
[12:25] <Myrtti> news at 11
[12:25] <dwatkins> I know I don't own the music on my phone/mp3 player, but I like to be able to listen to it when the label has gone bust or I'm in a tunnel ;)
[12:33] <DJones> Anybody interested in these games? http://marathon.sourceforge.net/
[12:35] <andylock1an> wow
[12:35] <andylock1an> :D
[12:35] <andylock1an> he's back :D
[12:35] <andylock1an> :D
[12:36] <Myrtti> dwatkins: I happily use Spotify offline
[12:42] <andylockran> well that was a bit of hassle
[12:47] <Myrtti> *phew*
[12:47] <andylockran> yeah
[12:47] <Myrtti> that was a display of *why* I don't ignore joins and quits and such
[12:47] <andylockran> how come?
[12:47] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: ?
[12:48] <Myrtti> `-` joined pretty much all the ubuntu channels there are
[12:49] <Myrtti> excess flooded themselves out on the first attempt to announce the world that #ubuntu ops suck, but eventually got k-lined
[12:49] <Myrtti> amazing how much excess time and malice people have in the world
[12:50] <davmor2> gord: I think it's gonna be cancelled for december we'll sort out a date for January instead
[12:51] <gord> davmor2, no prob, platform rally in early jan though remember
[12:51] <davmor2> gord: we can make it latter it was only early to catter for xmas and parties ect
[12:51] <gord> yeah
[12:58] <Myrtti> is there any kind of clipboard management for Ubuntu 11.10?
[12:59] <Myrtti> or something that you'd recommend?
[12:59] <gord> my dash tells me that klipper exists, it has 3/5 stars on software centre
[12:59] <Myrtti> klipper sounds like a KDE thing
[12:59] <gord> it does ;) it is!
[12:59] <gord> maybe glipper?
[12:59] <gord> is that a thing?
[12:59] <Myrtti> I'll have a look at clipit and glipper then
[13:01] <popey> /4/27
[13:01] <popey> bah!
[13:02] <awilkins> Did you just accidentally post the Pangolin release date?   :-p
[13:04] <gord> thats the 26th :P
[13:04] <Myrtti> clipit seems to be exactly what I was looking for
[13:36] <dwatkins> Myrtti: yeah, I meant in terms of the streaming-only alternatives, I appreciate you can use Spotify via the app offline if you still have a subscription :)
[13:36] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k-QuvfednM  I made a video!
[13:37] <dwatkins> you make it sound so simple, popey :)
[13:37] <dwatkins> do people ask questions on this?
[13:39] <andylockran> yeah
[13:40] <dwatkins> I'm surprised, although I admit I wasn't aware it actually existed.
[13:41] <gord> popey, might want to use the hd version when linking people to it so its not in blur-o-vision. its mostly static images so the hd version doesn't take up much bandwidth
[13:42] <popey> gord: I'd rather let people choose resolution themselves
[13:42] <popey> if they full screen it then yt will auto switch to HD anyway wont it?
[13:42] <popey> good point tho, ta ☺
[13:42] <gord> depends on their settings, some of us (me) disable that because when i switch to fullscreen it goes to a video format that my connection can't handle
[13:43] <popey> ah
[13:43] <popey> i didnt know you could override that
[13:53]  * daubers mqtt-ises a few workshop tools
[13:53] <andylockran> gord: you should do a screencast on it - make it recursive!
[13:53] <AlanBell> did youtube just get a lot better?
[13:55] <dwatkins> they changed the theme
[13:55] <dwatkins> it may also have html5 enabled now
[13:55] <dwatkins> not sure if that's still in beta
[13:57] <AlanBell> resizing stuff and resolutions seem to have some relationship now, and you can select the resolution when fullscreened
[14:02] <dogmatic69> i have a dir, that when cd into, crashes my pc. load average hits 50 / 60 and ram shoots right up to 4gigs
[14:02] <dogmatic69> any way i can see what is going on in there?
[14:02] <dogmatic69> its a git repo
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I'd force an fsck on the next boot
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what kind of fs are you using?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> default
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: ext3? ext4?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> i done sudo su www-data then cd there and its not as bad, still crashed when i did git status
[14:07] <dogmatic69> how could i check that?
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: "mount"
[14:08] <dogmatic69> sda1 is ext4
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: sudo touch /forcefsck
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: then reboot
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: if it's a separate partition, unmount it and fsck
[14:10] <dogmatic69> k, thanks.. brb (if this does not take 5 years)
[14:15] <dogmatic69> that was quick, no errors
[14:20] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: http://i.imgur.com/rc9Ql.png
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what kind of git repo is it?
[14:41] <dogmatic69> just some work code, php
[14:41] <dogmatic69> with some submodules
[14:44] <Myrtti> oh man I really really hate Gwibber
[14:44] <oimon> Myrtti: does it still suck after the re-write
[14:46] <Myrtti> well it sucks bowling balls on 11.10
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what happens if you create a fresh clone somewhere?
[14:46] <oimon> wow, how sad
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: does that also exhibit that problem?
[14:46] <oimon> i'm still using hotot quite happily for my twitter requirements
[14:46] <davmor2> Myrtti: so add bugs to improve it
[14:46]  * MartijnVdS uses chrom
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> e
[14:47] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: no, then its fine
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: OK, do that, remove the old tree and replace with fresh clone
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: you did the fsck?
[14:47] <Myrtti> davmor2: it doesn't take away the pain of using it *now* though :-<
[14:47] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: there is a branch on the old one that i need
[14:47] <Myrtti> perhaps I'll just ... suffer Tweetdeck on Chrome again
[14:47] <dogmatic69> fsck ran fine
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: try it from a live CD, maybe that works.
[14:47] <dogmatic69> hmm
[14:47] <davmor2> Myrtti: agreed but it will make it less painful for 12.04 maybe
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: Different version of Ubuntu (= different version of FS code)
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I have no idea
[14:48] <dogmatic69> fsck from live cd?
[14:48] <dogmatic69> or view the repo from a live cd
[15:20] <gord> just had to google for the command to make a tar file... how do i even get anything done on linux
[15:24] <kirrus> gord: by googling? :P
[15:24] <Myrtti> hm, is it possible to make the workspace switcher to wrap around in 11.10?
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a quick Python query...
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a string: 12345:09876
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I want to return only the bit left of the colon.
[15:25] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: using git --git-dir=... i was able to see what is going on. just ditched all the unstaged changes and now i can cd in without the system crashing but terminal is hanging still
[15:25] <deej1976> Myrtti: not in ubuntu by default http://mein-neues-blog.de/xplanetFX/
[15:25] <dogmatic69> memory usage is going up slowly and load average still at 0.5
[15:26] <dogmatic69> getting there slowly
[15:34] <dogmatic69> think i found the issue... http://i.imgur.com/AJ10h.jpg
[15:35] <fwereade_> TheOpenSourcerer, s.split(":")[0]
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> fwereade_: Yeah - Thanks. Just worked it out too :-)
[15:36] <fwereade_> TheOpenSourcerer, cool :)
[15:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> fwereade_: OK - It's a bit more complicated than I thought. ;-) My string could actually look like this "12345:09876 : ABCDEFG"
[15:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I want to split and return everything left of the <space:<space> bit.
[15:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just tried split(' : ') but that still split on the first colon
[15:49] <fwereade_> TheOpenSourcerer, that's odd:
[15:49] <fwereade_> >>> "foo:bar : hcde:jeoi".split(" : ")[0]
[15:49] <fwereade_> 'foo:bar'
[15:50] <AlanBell> split('abc') splits on a and b and c, not the string 'abc'
[15:50] <AlanBell> I think
[15:50] <fwereade_> >>> "helloabchello".split("abc")
[15:50] <fwereade_> ['hello', 'hello']
[15:50] <fwereade_> >>> "helloabchello".split("cba")
[15:50] <fwereade_> ['helloabchello']
[15:50] <fwereade_> >>>
[15:51] <AlanBell> no, I am wong, don't mind me
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> fwereade_: You are right. Just tried it in a python console and it works.
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better check my template... Probably typo.
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! My bad - that works!
[16:00] <daubers> woo!!
[16:00] <daubers> Things in the workshop tell me when they're finished now :)
[16:00] <danfish> daubers: mqtt?
[16:00] <matti> ;]
[16:01] <matti> TheOpenSourcerer: <ruby lover mode> Try Ruby ;p </ruby lover mode>
[16:01] <daubers> danfish: Indeed :)
[16:01] <danfish> yeh!
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> matti: I have to use Python for that one.
[16:01] <matti> TheOpenSourcerer: :)
[16:02] <danfish> daubers: just need a nanode mqtt port now
[16:03] <daubers> danfish: Yeah, that'll take a long while as memory on the chip the nanode uses for ethernet is a bit lacking
[16:03] <danfish> ah - didn't realise that was the reason
[16:03] <daubers> danfish: Did get my first arduino ethernet today though \o/
[16:04] <danfish> excellent. knolleary's update the client for that one IIRC
[16:05] <daubers> danfish: This was from a discussion I had with someone http://groups.google.com/group/reading-hackspace/msg/ff54bb13cb211c0d states the exact problem
[16:05] <daubers> danfish: He has! It's the same wiznet chip on the arduino ethernet shield, it's more an update for the arduino 1.0 IDE
[16:10] <danfish> hmm whether to get a nanode rf....or a raspberry pi?
[16:10] <daubers> (raspberry pi)
[16:11] <daubers> I really want an Arduino Due as I have a project that will benefit from the extra processing umpf of the ARM chip
[16:11] <daubers> but they're not out yet :(
[16:12] <monsterwizard> oooo  Ardunio user
[16:12] <monsterwizard> What projects have you made?
[16:12] <daubers> Mostly toys or simple sensor rigs
[16:12] <danfish> I missed the announcement about the Due
[16:13] <daubers> It was part of the makerfaire announcements
[16:13] <danfish> monsterwizard: some home automation/monitoting stuff
[16:14] <daubers> I might try and through together an MQTT over easyradio library
[16:20] <monsterwizard> oh sweet
[16:23] <daubers> EasyRadio's are expensive :( But so very very easy to use
[16:25] <monsterwizard> danfish where do you buy your electronics?
[16:37] <MooDoo> http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/geeks-lose-minds-recreate-first-level-of-super-mario-land-with/
[16:37] <MooDoo> awesome, minecraft mario :D
[16:37] <danfish> monsterwizard: a number of places - rapid, coolcomponents, proto-pic
[16:59] <scoundrel50a> ok, I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on a Lenovo laptop, and had a problem with an upgrade which caused me to loose the desktop, which was a whilst it was in Beta. I had to create a new User and things are working ok. I log in using the new username and password, but when I go to open Synaptic, it shows my old username on the pop up password box, and wants my old details, even though I no longer have that username and password, would anybody know
[16:59] <scoundrel50a>  why this is happening.
[17:06] <AlanBell> hi scoundrel50a
[17:06] <bigcalm> The old user has the uid of 1000?
[17:07] <bigcalm> Is your new user in the sudo list?
[17:07] <AlanBell> new user isn't in sudoers
[17:07] <bigcalm> (doubt that'll make a difference though)
[17:07] <AlanBell> or isn't in the admin group
[17:07] <bigcalm> Listen to AlanBell
[17:07]  * bigcalm goes back to stabbing SQL
[17:07] <AlanBell> that will be it, it is like my kids computers want me to log in to do updates because they are not admins
[17:08] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: ok, so if you run the users and groups tool (just type "user" in the dash and it should find it)
[17:09] <AlanBell> then click your new user then click advanced
[17:09] <AlanBell> you will have to log in as the old user at this point
[17:10] <scoundrel50a> ok, will take a look now, one sec
[17:10] <AlanBell> then on the user priviledges tab click the administer the system checkbox and anything else you feel like ticking there
[17:11] <scoundrel50a> ok, where do you find that in Ubuntu 11.10. I dont see it anywhere
[17:13] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Are you in the users tool?
[17:13] <daubers> or trying to find it?
[17:13] <scoundrel50a> daubers: no cant find the users tool
[17:14] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Ok, if you open the dash (the Unity thing that lets you search) and just type users it should appear in the list
[17:14]  * AlanBell goes to cook sausages, it is there somewhere in the dash scoundrel50a 
[17:14] <AlanBell> ooh, is it not because you are not an admin??
[17:14] <AlanBell> someone carry on with this . . .
[17:14] <daubers> Should still appear shouldn't it?
[17:15] <scoundrel50a> there is user accounts, and it has my name as admin, but I cant do anything with it, I cant do what you said with it, its not like the old version
[17:16] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Hang on, let me upload a screenshot to make sure we're looking at the same thing
[17:16] <scoundrel50a> I can do that in 10.10.not 11.10 it is different
[17:17] <andylockran> lol, I need a guru :p
[17:17] <andylockran> a MySQL guru..
[17:17] <andylockran> for hire :D
[17:17] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Are you seeing this window?
[17:18] <daubers> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=5848
[17:18] <daubers> (if so I think this is the wrong tool.... but we'll get there in a moment)
[17:18] <scoundrel50a> yes, but you cant get in any further, it doesnt allow, or at least I cant find a way in
[17:18] <daubers> ok
[17:19] <daubers> when you type users in the dash, there should be another one called "Users and Groups"?
[17:19] <czajkowski> nods
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> I enter my log in details but it doesnt give any more options to do what you suggested
[17:19] <daubers> rather than user accounts
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> nope
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> not there
[17:19] <scoundrel50a> not in my 11.10
[17:20] <czajkowski> scoundrel50a: hmm I'm seeing it here in 11.10
[17:21] <scoundrel50a> ok I typed users and groups in and nothing comes up,
[17:23] <scoundrel50a> so where has Users and Groups gone, and how do I get it back
[17:23] <AlanBell> that is a bit of a puzzle
[17:24] <popey> its called user accounts
[17:24] <popey> not users and groups
[17:24] <daubers> popey: They're different UI's
[17:25] <scoundrel50a> ok, I have user accounts.....but there are no Privalages options in it
[17:25] <scoundrel50a> even if I enter the password
[17:25] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Are you set as an administrator in that UI?
[17:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Of course you could just type: sudo usermod -a -G admin username
[17:26] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec, I'll see if I can get an image of what I see and show you
[17:26] <daubers> Thanks :)
[17:26] <AlanBell> su oldname first
[17:27] <daubers> AlanBell: We should check he's not in the admin group first
[17:27] <daubers> double check even
[17:27] <AlanBell> ok
[17:30]  * daubers needs to disappear to a squash game
[17:30] <daubers> can somone carry on with this please?
[17:31] <scoundrel50a> sorry, can work out in 11.10 how to take screen shot
[17:31] <daubers> scoundrel50a: There's a screenshot tool
[17:31] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Throw screenshot in the dash and it should popup
[17:33] <scoundrel50a> flippin heck, that was hard work, http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=5849
[17:34] <scoundrel50a> bottom name not locked
[17:34] <daubers> scoundrel50a: can you run users-admin from a terminal please?
[17:34] <scoundrel50a> ok, need to install it, give me a sec
[17:35] <daubers> ok, that's the users and groups tool me and AlanBell were thinking of
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> ah
[17:35] <daubers> I really have to vanish or I'm going to be late, but hopefully someone else can continue with you if you get stuck in that tool
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> ok
[17:35] <scoundrel50a> thank you so much for your help
[17:36] <daubers> Hope you get it fixed :)
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> yay, I got it back
[17:36] <scoundrel50a> I have this in 10.10
[17:37] <scoundrel50a> where is Synaptic in Users and Admin, Synaptic is calling my old username and password
[17:38] <scoundrel50a> ok, I will give it another go, I added my name as admin, see if it works
[17:38] <scoundrel50a> need to reboot, brb
[17:40] <scoundrel50a> nope, that didnt work, Synaptic is still asking for my old password, it has called my old uesrname
[17:41] <scoundrel50a> I cant get into Synaptic because of it
[17:42] <scoundrel50a> I can update using the updater, and via the terminal
[17:44] <scoundrel50a> the only way I can get into Synaptic is if I open run as root, enter Synaptic into it, and then it accepts my new password
[17:45] <scoundrel50a> and then it opens
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> would you be able to advise me about a pdf reader with advanced features such as highlighting bookmarking etc?
[17:48] <scoundrel50a> ok, it seems I looked in the Users and Groups section, and it seems that both accounts point to the old username and password, even though logging in I can use the new uesrname and password
[17:49] <scoundrel50a> very odd
[17:50]  * AlanBell returns with a tummy full of sausages
[17:50] <brobostigon> :)
[17:51] <brobostigon> yummy.
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> any suggestions about the pdf reader of my dreams? possibly for free!
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> (it is for Ubuntu if anyone is wondering)
[17:53] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: file bugs against evince
[17:54]  * AlanBell wonders if scoundrel50a had ubuntu-desktop installed
[17:54] <AlanBell> certainly things adrift if user-admin was not installed
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, you can't highlight with evince though you can bookmark pages
[18:02] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: so file a bug against evince saying you can't highlight stuff with it
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> my ezPDF reader on my android phone is super
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> that a bug?
[18:02] <AlanBell> sure, if it isn't as awesome as you want it to be then it's lack of awesomeness is a fixable bug
[18:02] <AlanBell> it is a feature request really, but they all go in as bugs
[18:03] <AlanBell> ubuntu-bug evince
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> plus I'll get karma!
[18:05] <jutnux> Mmmmm clotted cream ice cream!
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> Bug #656363
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> I don't see that fix and I'm using Oneric Ocelot
[18:33] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: good question
[18:36] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: works for me!
[18:37] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: ok, so in the help for evince it tells you how to do it, in the sidebar select annotations, then add, then select the thing you want to annotate, it works for me
[18:40] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, that's cool, but how about underlining etc, is that possible?
[18:42] <AlanBell> dunno, I have never ever annotated a PDF before, still not quite sure why you would want to!
[19:01] <Myrtti> how annoying, on oneiric my laptop resets the display brightness after every time the screen has gone blank
[19:03] <czajkowski> dinner has been ordered
[19:03] <czajkowski> yay
[19:11]  * popey goes to obtain curry
[19:12] <czajkowski> pr0ph3t: what we ordered also
[19:12] <czajkowski> 45mins and counting
[19:12] <czajkowski> popey:
[19:12] <czajkowski> damn tab completion
[19:13] <pr0ph3t> so it's curry tonight
[19:15]  * AlanBell had sausages
[19:15] <davmor2> we had pizza
[19:15] <AlanBell> and now has beer
[19:16]  * davmor2 is now working again
[19:16]  * jutnux had pot noodle. "luvin lyfe 2k11"
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/ proper patch panel installed
[19:24] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: for a mere $60 you can install Q PDF Studio from Software Center and it will be able to do anything you need to a pdf :)
[19:24] <jutnux> Mere?
[19:25]  * davmor2 waits to hear the thump of pr0ph3t 's jaw hitting the floor
[19:25] <jutnux> Ah
[19:25] <zleap> this wrong direction thread on the list is good
[19:25] <davmor2> jutnux: in comparison to Adobe PDF tools at $200+ yeap mere
[19:25] <pr0ph3t> what's that in pounds? 5 quid?
[19:25] <jutnux> My school has PDF tools
[19:25] <jutnux> I fail to see what it is good for
[19:26] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: about £40
[19:26] <jutnux> Other than printing PDFs, which PDFCreator does on Winslows and what you can do on Ubuntu anyway
[19:26] <davmor2> jutnux: I know it's aim at professionals rather than you're average user :)
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> I see interesting
[19:27] <jutnux> davmor2: Haha, don't really have a use for PDFs to be honest ;)
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> - illegal comments censored -
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> online somewhere
[19:30] <davmor2> jutnux: the big advantage for Office users is they can create a pdf form that can be published online the results saved and signed as pdf and therefore a binding contract etc so it does have uses but again I'm guessing more of a pro thing than you're average joe tool :)
[19:31] <jutnux> I'm on Ubuntu so I guess I don't have uses for that ;)
[19:31] <czajkowski> jutnux: some offices use Ubuntu and may need it :)
[19:33] <jutnux> Probably, ah well - the wonders of being young and not having a job 'ey?
[19:33] <jutnux> So how are we all?
[19:33] <AlanBell> czajkowski: bastubis tells me that charities need PDF form stuff for grant applications. Can't say I have ever come across a PDF form myself
[19:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: bastubis
[19:34] <AlanBell> generally people want PDF to be for output they don't want other people to mess with, like invoices
[19:34] <AlanBell> czajkowski: Paula, that is her IRC nick
[19:34] <czajkowski> ahhh
[19:35] <AlanBell> I have no idea why
[19:35] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye my old place in ie used to have an online form but really it was the back end of a pdf
[19:38] <czajkowski> http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/39826/  folks might find this an interesting read
[19:39] <AlanBell> read it :)
[19:39] <AlanBell> funnily enough
[19:40] <czajkowski> :)
[19:40] <czajkowski> in between all of the emails today
[19:40] <czajkowski> how ever did you find time
[19:40] <AlanBell> read it months ago!
[19:41]  * TheOpenSourcerer had fish fingers & mash earlier and will be going out for a curry later :-)
[19:43] <czajkowski> gah 15 more mins for dinner to arrive
[19:43] <czajkowski> please hurry up
[19:44] <AlanBell> czajkowski: looks like they lost the argument about stamping "unclassified" on every page!
[19:44] <czajkowski> eh ?
[19:46] <AlanBell> the LSE report, the cabinet office lawyers interfered with it
[19:48] <czajkowski> oh lovely
[19:48] <AlanBell> I think they only did that, plus decided they wanted copyright to HMSO or something, the license is their version of creative commons
[19:48] <AlanBell> (c) 2011 Queen's Printer and Controller from HMSO
[19:50] <czajkowski> ahh I see
[19:50] <czajkowski> huzzah! dinner has arrived
[19:50] <AlanBell> oh /o\ conflicting permissions on that LSE stuff on page 1
[19:52] <AlanBell> and a typo on the link to the OGL
[19:52]  * AlanBell goes to send an email
[19:53] <AlanBell> twice!!
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> And once the next morning!
[19:54] <AlanBell> it was all spelled correctly in the draft that was CC licensed
[21:18] <popey> quiet evening ☺
[21:21]  * popey tickles daubers 
[21:22]  * bigcalm scribbles in his journal
[21:22]  * Myrtti considers sleep
[21:23]  * popey considers google hangout
[21:23] <bigcalm> I thought your webcam didn't work
[21:24] <popey> i have two
[21:24] <popey> the 12.04 one doesn't
[21:24] <popey> laptop does
[21:25] <bigcalm> I haven't taken part in a hangout in all the time that g+ has been around
[21:25] <popey> heh
[21:27] <bigcalm> I'm amazed that my webcam works within their thingy
[21:27] <Myrtti> bigcalm: me neither
[21:27] <jacobw> google hangout sounds odd
[21:28] <popey> tis fun
[21:30] <Myrtti> ooohhh
[21:30] <jacobw> i imagine its like party where no one can touch each other
[21:30] <Myrtti> talking of Google Hangouts
[21:30] <Myrtti> looks like the inventor of IRC is working for Google on developing Hangouts
[21:30] <jacobw> who is the inventor of irc?
[21:31] <popey> a finnish person
[21:31] <Myrtti> Jarkko Oikarinen
[21:32] <jacobw> so the finns invented irc and linux
[21:32] <popey> bigcalm: wanna test it?
[21:34] <bigcalm> popey: Sure, let me get an ale
[21:34]  * AlanBell starts a hangout from the ubuntu uk page
[21:39] <popey> Fetched 723 kB in 213503982334601d 7h 0min 14s (0 B/s)
[21:39] <Myrtti> awwww
[21:39] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:40] <popey> hmm, something busted here
[21:40] <popey> might switch to chrome
[21:42]  * AlanBell is hanging out
[21:44]  * daubers considers hot chocolate
[21:45]  * Daviey tucks AlanBell back in
[21:51]  * jacobw is exploring G+
[21:57]  * ubuntu <3 G+
[21:58]  * ndf <3 G+
[21:58] <ndf> lol
[21:58] <monsterwizard> really
[21:58] <monsterwizard> ??
[21:58] <ndf> i do.
[21:59] <ndf> you seem shocked, are you not impressed?
[22:14]  * jacobw <3 G++
[22:14] <jacobw> its all about polymorphism
[22:14] <AlanBell> that was fun
[22:25] <monsterwizard> is it wrong to listen to audio while programming?
[22:25] <monsterwizard> or learning
[22:27] <jacobw> music is supposed to stimulate your mind
[22:28] <jacobw> as long as isn't nirvana
 asimo on qi <newsflash>
[22:33] <Myrtti> Rupert Grint to depict Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards in a biopic movie? ahhahahahahahahaha
[22:38] <jacobw> wow
[22:45] <monsterwizard> is it wrong to do programming without coffee?
[22:49] <jacobw> monsterwizard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg
[22:53] <monsterwizard> errr that was a very educational video
[22:54] <AlanBell> danfish: is the pub selection settled yet?
[23:05] <awilkins> Hmm. So far the computer has failed to crash. Apparently the solution to my instability problem was to remove the video card and wiggle it a bit.
[23:05] <awilkins> One can only hope this persists
[23:20] <Myrtti> oh no...
[23:48] <monsterwizard> who else is forever alone on a friday night?