[00:59] <rick_h_> brousch: hah
[06:22] <greg-g> rick_h_! help! vim! In nano, when deleting a lot of text at the end of an email I held down ctrl+k, thus a line was deleted each time the keypress was repeated. In vim I have to do "dd" which means my delete time is doubled! There must be a faster way!
[13:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: yes, highlight the text you want to delete with line movement
[13:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: so v and then some movements to get the text, like j, or ctrl-f, or ), etc. And then just hit d once
[13:16] <rick_h_> and morning TGIF
[13:24] <Wolfger> greg-g: I might also point out that "dd" is two keystrokes, and so is "ctrl+k" :-p
[13:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: there's also the . command, which repeats the last change you made
[13:26] <Wolfger> also, don't forget you can save time on multiple lines with number prefixes... e.g. 9dd to delete 9 lines
[13:26] <rick_h_> so you can dd and then . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
[13:26] <Wolfger> rick_h_: that is an awesome tip
[13:26] <rick_h_> Wolfger: yea, it's darn handy. It can group together a couple of changes so it's often easier to do a cwNewWord
[13:27] <rick_h_> and then head to the next place and do .
[13:27] <rick_h_> vs cwNewWord again
[13:27] <Wolfger> but will it still work if you move between lines? (i.e. dd, j, . will the dot repeat dd or j?)
[13:27] <rick_h_> the . doesn't really do movement I don't think. It's more of an "Action" thing
[13:27] <rick_h_> try it out some
[13:27] <Wolfger> yessir
[13:28] <rick_h_> :) and with that I've punted it back to you to answer bwuhahaha, *evil friday laugh*
[13:30] <Wolfger> so which of you freetards is using YaCy?
[13:31] <Wolfger> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15935550
[13:32] <Wolfger> They say it's pronounced "ya see", but I'm leaning towards Yahtzee!
[13:50] <brousch> pythonoids, do you keep your project right in the virtualenv, or do you put virtualenvs somewhere else and symlink the project into it?
[13:51] <rick_h_> brousch: I keep my project in a virtualenv
[13:51] <rick_h_> so ~/src/project_ve/src/project_code_in_git
[13:52] <brousch> me too, but i see some people do a symlink
[13:52] <rick_h_> brousch: sure
[13:53] <brousch> if i did that it would make my dropbox happier
[13:53] <rick_h_> ah, yea I don't dropbox source code
[13:53] <rick_h_> it could change system to system, break the venv, etc
[13:53] <rick_h_> if you symlink the venv, and install a new pip install pcakage
[13:53] <rick_h_> and dropbox sync's it to another machine
[13:53] <rick_h_> it'll break
[13:54] <rick_h_> that's what your source control is for, you have remote repos you're pushing to right?
[13:54] <brousch> right. it is basically useless backups to the cloud
[13:54] <brousch> sometimes
[13:54] <brousch> sometimes it is a crappy little script or something i'm trying out
[13:54] <rick_h_> well /sometimes/yes and take your code out of dropbox all together
[13:54] <rick_h_> brousch: then create a misc repo
[13:55] <brousch> like when i tried snap-l's game. i gave a venv
[13:55] <rick_h_> and I'll bet those aren't in a virtualenv anyway then
[13:55] <rick_h_> right, but why did you need to back up snapl's game?
[13:55] <brousch> i didn't
[13:56] <brousch> i stuck it in with my code projects so i would know where to find it
[13:56] <rick_h_> ok, well anyway, I'd look at more why you're doing vs worrying about symlinks/virtualenv like that, but that's just my opinion
[13:56] <brousch> i think virtualenv wrapper does symlink
[13:56] <brousch> i don't use it though
[13:57] <rick_h_> yea, it keeps all the virtualenvs in .virtualenv so that it can list and complete which ones you have
[13:57] <rick_h_> but I hate that level if indirection and it only solves the issue for python stuff which not all code is
[13:57] <brousch> it should be!
[13:57] <rick_h_> lol
[13:58] <brousch> but you're right i have no excuse for not having a bitbucket repo for all of my code
[13:58] <brousch> free unlimited repos
[13:58] <rick_h_> :)
[14:00] <brousch> more than 0.5GB of mostly virtualenv in my Dropbox/Projects
[14:01] <rick_h_> right, virtualenv is the answer to "give up disk space for more isolated projects
[14:01] <rick_h_> so to be expexted for sure
[14:01] <rick_h_> my answer to that is always, "make your @#$@# rebuildable and don't worry about keeping the virtualenvs, you can recreate those in a heartbeat (or a few at least)
[14:02] <brousch> my method breaks more often than it's helpful
[14:03] <Wolfger> It's sad... whenever somebody types something like "@#$@#" in channel, my mind automatically tries to parse it as Perl...
[14:03] <brousch> if i go to another computer i have to copy out the code, destroy the virtualenv, remake it, put the code back in, then do it all again because the bad one will sync to my main computer
[14:03] <rick_h_> Wolfger: yes...very sad. :P
[14:03] <rick_h_> brousch: exactly
[14:03] <rick_h_> so to summarize, in answer to your question...stop doing it wrong :P
[14:04] <rick_h_> now I feel helpful, yay friday
[14:04] <brousch> i'm glad i could be of service
[14:04] <rick_h_> it's been a rough week, I'll take every bit I can get
[14:05] <brousch> trouble in canonicaland?
[14:05] <rick_h_> let's just say I'm not sure this week of travel has been worth the PITA and $$
[14:06] <brousch> i assume it's shuttleworth's money
[14:07] <rick_h_> not all of it, it costs me $$ to do things and provide beverages and such all week
[14:07] <rick_h_> and the babysitters, cleaners, etc I setup for the wife while away
[14:08] <brousch> they don't expense caffeine?! i thought that was every 1337 coder's biggest perk
[14:08] <brousch> ooh, home stuff can be bad
[14:08] <rick_h_> yea, dog is in day care all week since I'm not home to let her out, etc
[14:09] <brousch> damn, that is expensive
[14:09] <brousch> like $25/day for us
[14:09] <rick_h_> anyway, I'm getting to the end of the week and cranky
[14:09] <rick_h_> yea, same here, though Tues/Thurs are $20
[14:09] <brousch> probably missing your boy too
[14:09] <brousch> a weekend is hard enough
[14:10] <rick_h_> fly out tomorrow, all good
[14:13] <brousch> i have placed a giant weather widget on my desktop. my conversion to kde is complete
[14:16] <Wolfger> \o/
[14:38] <jjesse> yay
[14:38] <jjesse> rick_h_,  you can't fly out today?
[14:39] <rick_h_> jjesse: naw, should have thought about it when I set it up
[14:39] <jjesse> its corporate policy to get consultants back on friday
[14:39] <rick_h_> but I think there's some policy on arriving/leaving weekends since that tends to keep ticket prices lower or something
[14:40] <rick_h_> I think probably because they'd have to comp or something your travel time on a weekend?
[14:40] <jjesse> might be different when you are billing customers
[14:40] <jjesse> yeah
[14:40] <jjesse> plus most of the time they are heading right back out
[14:41] <jjesse> there are times i spend weekend if its multiple weeks in same spot but otherwise its out sunday night, back friday night
[14:41] <rick_h_> gotcha
[14:55] <jjesse> i hate it when on friday i don't know where i'm going to be on monday… customer told me he needed me onsite on monday but haven't had official confirmation :(  time to punch him
[14:57] <Wolfger> indeed
[15:11] <brousch> kde is snappier than gnome-shell and unity
[15:14] <brousch> oh wow, nice. kde stores all of my notifications so i can go back through them if i missed something
[15:22] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:23] <snap-l> Downloading the precise images via bittoreent.
[15:23] <snap-l> Not to be confused with Bit torrent
[15:31] <Wolfger> you're not satisfied with imprecise images?
[15:33] <snap-l> nope
[15:34] <snap-l> I want 12.04 to be as precise as a pangolin
[15:34] <snap-l> Whatever that means.
[15:35] <snap-l> also, finally picked up The Sword's Warp Riders
[15:35] <snap-l> brousch: You're a Sabbath fan, right?
[15:42] <brousch> only with ozzy
[15:42] <brousch> dio is way too irritating
[15:42] <snap-l> Well, check this out anyway.
[15:42] <snap-l> Dio is definitely an acquired taste
[15:42] <snap-l> as is Ozzy, to a certain extent. :)
[15:43] <brousch> trudat
[15:43] <brousch> and actually i only like ozzy with sabbath, not afterwards
[15:43] <snap-l> http://ur1.ca/6amt7 <- The Sword
[15:45] <brousch> bill ward is probably my favorite drummer
[15:45] <snap-l> Not sure I'd go that far, by a long shot
[15:46] <snap-l> Like saying that Ringo Starr is your favorite drummer
[15:46] <snap-l> he just happens to be strongly associated with an act that you like, and fits it like a glove
[15:46] <brousch> :P
[15:46] <brousch> that is likely
[15:46] <snap-l> though I have a ton more respect for Charlie Watts outside of the Rolling Stones chair
[15:47] <Wolfger> Animal is my favorite drummer
[15:47] <snap-l> Also got clocking the fuck out of Mick Jagger
[15:48] <brousch> the sword is kind of sabbath-like
[15:48] <snap-l> Yeah, that's why I recommended them
[15:49] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/457/ <- Charlie Watts
[15:51] <brousch> i don't really care for the singer, but the chronomancers sound good
[15:52] <snap-l> Yeah, the singer is an acquired taste
[17:07] <greg-g> Wolfger: ctrl+k is not two keystrokes *on going* I hold down ctrl+K and each time the K is repeated by my keyboard it deletes a line, where as every second time the d is repeated by my keyboard (while being held down) vim deleted a line.
[17:08] <Wolfger> :-p
[17:08] <rick_h_> get em greg-g
[17:09] <greg-g> :)
[17:09] <greg-g> g'morning
[17:09] <greg-g> well, afternoon for you all
[17:09] <greg-g> aha, I like the v and the line movements method!
[17:10]  * greg-g hadn't used visual mode yet :)
[17:10] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://lococast.net/archives/241
[17:10] <rick_h_> :)
[17:10] <greg-g> haha
[17:10] <Wolfger> sad... by the time greg-g gets here I'm already done with lunch and thinking about quitting time
[17:10] <rick_h_> greg-g: worth the 10min
[17:10] <greg-g> Wolfger: you should move to the west side, or just blame timezones, or the fact that world is round, or....
[17:11] <Wolfger> ...or just continue to think of you as a lazy slacker who doesn't get rolling til after noon? ;-)
[17:12] <greg-g> sure, whatever blows up your skirt
[17:13]  * Wolfger wonders if that's part of the California mystique
[17:13] <greg-g> :) I've actually been saying that instead of "float your boat" for going on 15 years
[17:13] <greg-g> holy cow, that's half my life (practically)
[17:13] <Wolfger> I meant the perception that you guys sleep til noon
[17:13] <greg-g> oh
[17:14] <greg-g> well, yeah, definitley not all of SF/bay area, just the college kids, like all college kids.
[17:14] <greg-g> actually quite the workaholic attitude out here, for better or worse
[17:15] <greg-g> (probably worse)
[17:15] <Wolfger> almost certainly
[17:15] <greg-g> (see the jwz's critique of some VC using his words about startups)
[17:36] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/58425/what-are-the-benefits-of-placing-the-concatenation-character-at-the-end-or-begin
[17:37] <Wolfger> +1 to "flip a coin and move on"
[17:40] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/33411/what-is-a-straight-playa-degree ROFL
[17:41] <Wolfger> Gotta love Programmers SE
[17:41] <Wolfger> s/Programmers/WastingTime/
[17:41] <greg-g> Wolfger: I see you like the WastinTime aspect ;)
[17:45] <Wolfger> greg-g: after finally getting the updates from the vendor that I've been asking for, for a month, and finding everything is still just as fubar as before the updates.... yeah. Kinda lost enthusiasm for attempting to be productive.
[17:46] <greg-g> Wolfger: ugh, sorry :(
[17:50] <Wolfger> Kinda feeling like ripping somebody's head off, but lacking the energy to go do so. "It took you a month to give me something that doesn't work AT ALL?!?"
[18:16] <CrusaderAD> Anyone here use Glade or any other GUI development software?
[18:20] <brousch> i have used glade once or twice
[18:22] <CrusaderAD> Any other recommendations for a GUI platform?
[18:23] <brousch> no one makes desktop guis any more
[18:23] <brousch> but qt is the other big one
[18:25] <CrusaderAD> cool, I'll check that out... thanks
[18:27] <brousch> it was interesting at the gr dev day (former day of dotnet, so mostly MS devs) the keynote asked how many people were making desktop apps. only about 10% of the crowd raised their hand
[18:28] <brousch> rick_h_: you can transfer departments and work with django! https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=401
[18:32] <CrusaderAD> brousch: what's all the rage now? mobile/tablet development?
[18:32] <brousch> web
[18:33] <CrusaderAD> lol thank god
[18:33] <brousch> there's a lot of interest in mobile too
[21:19] <snap-l> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/11/you-doom-us-all-to-inhuman-toil-for-the-one-whose-name-cannot-be-expressed-in-the-basic-multilingual-plane/