| litheum | is there a recommended method to completely disable a rule, persistent-net-generator under ubuntu in this case? | 01:51 |
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| litheum | man, i am so far behind the times on this stuff, dang | 02:54 |
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| JanC | litheum: that sounds like an udev question, not an upstart one ☺ | 12:02 |
| JanC | and how to override system-supplied udev rules is explained in /etc/udev/rules.d/README | 12:02 |
| litheum | JanC: yeah i wasn't sure if it was a udev question or upstart, but i do want to disable the upstart rule that is calling udev and i don't want to do anything to udev, so... | 16:21 |
| litheum | i guess i didn't understand well enough how things work to want to copy the file and edit it | 16:23 |
| litheum | if i don't want it to run at all, is that really the right approach? | 16:24 |
| JanC | I guess creating an empty udev rule with the same name in /etc/udev/rules.d/ would work | 16:43 |
| litheum | yeah this does sound more like a udev question, doesn't it :) | 16:44 |
| litheum | how about a different question that might be related to upstart! | 16:44 |
| litheum | i edited /etc/init/hostname.conf so that it sets the hostname based on the name of the VM it is running inside of | 16:45 |
| litheum | but i need /etc/init.d/vboxadd to be executed first... is there a way to make the upstart job depend on an old-school init script? | 16:45 |
| JanC | edit the SysV init script to emit an event, then depend on that event? | 16:47 |
| litheum | yeah, that's what i ended up doing | 16:47 |
| litheum | that seems really scary though if that script is just going to get overwritten if i install a new version of those tools at some point | 16:48 |
| JanC | and vbox has no hooks for this? | 16:48 |
| litheum | hooks for what, running scripts after the module is loaded? | 16:50 |
| JanC | yes? | 16:50 |
| litheum | i have no idea if it does that or not, but tearing the hostname out of upstart and tying it to some vbox hooks didn't really even enter my mind | 16:50 |
| JanC | I mean, emitting an event from such a hook | 16:50 |
| litheum | oh, right | 16:51 |
| litheum | well, i don't know about that. good suggestions | 16:51 |
| jMCg | hmmm... now that there are actually people here, maybe I should reepeat my question.. | 17:55 |
| jMCg | 15:48:53 < jMCg> I'm looking for a better way to handle this: http://sprunge.us/IAiV | 17:55 |
| jMCg | 15:49:10 < jMCg> Because the results are just plain horrible (IMO): http://sprunge.us/WSdc | 17:56 |
| JanC | jMCg: why are they horrible? (not sure what you are trying to do) | 18:01 |
| jMCg | JanC: the point is that I need the logger only during the startup, but it stays up and running for the whole runtime. I find that... wrong. | 18:02 |
| JanC | eh | 18:02 |
| jMCg | JanC: the problem is that expect daemon doesn't work. | 18:02 |
| JanC | so logger works as intended, right? ☺ | 18:04 |
| jMCg | JanC: what doesn't work as expected is upstarts fork tracing :-S | 18:04 |
| jMCg | Can it please just work automagickally? | 18:04 |
| jMCg | I mean.. how does SMF do this? | 18:05 |
| JanC | AFAIK that's a feature that's in the works | 18:05 |
| jMCg | I don't remember SMF ever once caring a. Oh. Right. | 18:05 |
| jMCg | Contracts. | 18:05 |
| jMCg | http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=contract&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=SunOS+5.10 | 18:07 |
| jMCg | That's a property all Solaris processes have which doesn't exist on Linux. | 18:08 |
| JanC | jMCg: how would that fix the logger issue? | 18:14 |
| JanC | also, can't you use start-stop-daemon for example? | 18:14 |
| JanC | also, you can probably do some logging in pre-/post- scripts | 18:16 |
| jMCg | JanC: the logging is only needed for startup -- and only in case of failure. | 18:16 |
| JanC | what does it need to log? | 18:16 |
| jMCg | JanC: the reason why it's failing to start, for instance. | 18:17 |
| jMCg | That kind of stuff is *reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally* useful for debugging. | 18:17 |
| JanC | how did you do that with SysV init? | 18:17 |
| jMCg | JanC: I haven't used SysV init since there's upstart, and I haven't used this setup before. | 18:18 |
| broder | jMCg: it sounds like you're looking for https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/job-logging | 18:19 |
| JanC | broder: I doubt that will stop logging after startup? | 18:19 |
| broder | so? | 18:19 |
| JanC | that's what he wants, if I understand correctly? | 18:20 |
| JanC | to log startup failures, but not whatever else the application spews after that? | 18:20 |
| broder | it's still possible to get that information out of full job logging, though | 18:21 |
| broder | once job logging gets merged in, i could imagine extending it to "log everything until the job transitions to a running state" | 18:21 |
| broder | pretty easily, even | 18:21 |
| jMCg | broder: what I want is to be able to start httpd without -D NO_DETACH without upstart losing track of it. | 18:23 |
| jMCg | Oh. | 18:23 |
| JanC | he already gets that with logger now, although upstart job-logging would make it easier | 18:23 |
| jMCg | expect daemon expects two forks, my fancy pants setup has 3. | 18:23 |
| JanC | jMCg: there is some work being done about that, but in the mean time your job should work just fine? | 18:27 |
| jMCg | JanC: yup. | 18:28 |
| JanC | I mean, the thing you complained about has nothing to do with that ;) | 18:28 |
| JanC | complained about first | 18:28 |
| jMCg | JanC: I'm not using expect daemon. I tried doing that, but it wouldn't work. Only now did I grasp why. | 18:29 |
| JanC | ah, yes, THAT is a known problem | 18:31 |
| JanC | IIRC there are several solutions for that planned ☺ | 18:31 |
| * jMCg strongly suggests implementing contracts in Linux. | 18:37 | |
| JanC | jMCg: have any good link about that? ☺ | 18:44 |
| jMCg | JanC: aside from the docs I linked above, there's the OpenSolaris.. well.. OpenIndianna source code. | 18:45 |
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