[00:02] <Paimun> seems to have worked; "Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/lightdm ..."
[00:02] <Paimun> However I also got "update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/lightdm missing LSB information" before that
[00:02] <Paimun> not sure if I should worry about that or not
[00:03] <dvance> is the startup script not LSB compliant I wonder?
[00:03] <dvance> not sure what to make of that one
[00:33] <Paimun> well, thanks for the greeter-hide-users tip, dvance, because that worked fine
[00:33] <Paimun> but lightdm still didn't start up
[00:33] <Paimun> in fact I alt+tabbed and looked at the boot log and it says "stopping lightdm" and "stopping gdm"
[00:37] <TVasEyes> :w
[01:14] <w30>  /part
[02:21] <Paimun>  fixed my lightdm issue!
[03:24] <xubuntu062> anyone know why the xubuntu installer would hang every time for like 15 mins at laptop-detect ?
[04:16] <oobie> i am having issued with xubuntu reading my fuji finepix camera
[04:17] <oobie> i tried installing f-spot and changed things in setting manager, now when i plug it it tells me it has seen a device but won't let me see pics
[04:17] <oobie> it does show up when i do lsusb
[04:17] <oobie> any ideas? please?
[04:29] <oobiloz> hellow?
[04:33] <Sysi> I have no experience with cameras, but you can't import photos with f-spot?
[04:33] <Sysi> I'm not sure if you should be able to..
[04:34] <oobiloz> i can't
[04:34] <oobiloz> i tried it...
[04:34] <oobiloz> i tried it with gthumb too... no go
[04:34] <oobiloz> it's all grey
[04:34] <Sysi> you could try gthumb
[04:34] <oobiloz> i go as far as the menu but... it's greya nd i can't select anything
[04:35] <Sysi> I heard they removed camera importing support from some app.. I think it was digikam
[04:35] <oobiloz> waaah
[04:35] <Sysi> well compiled without support for that
[04:36] <oobiloz> know of a way around it?
[04:36] <Sysi> first I'd try different app. like gthumb
[04:37] <oobiloz> i've tried gthumb
[04:37] <oobiloz> it's also greyed out there too
[04:39] <oobiloz> camera detected:  a photo camera was detected
[04:39] <oobiloz> but nothinga fter that
[04:40] <Sysi> wait for some time, if nobody pops up you can try #ubuntu
[04:40] <oobiloz> i am there
[04:40] <oobiloz> lol
[04:40] <oobiloz> thank sysi
[04:40] <oobiloz> at least for listnin and being nice
[06:57] <webbimato> Hi! Anyone installed bindfs to xubuntu for controlling local folder/file sharing?
[07:00] <visitor1> hi, i have troubles with my xfce desktop, i lost xfce4-panel, i have got it back but the applicaction button on top left is gone
[07:00] <visitor1> anybody got a clue how to get it back
[07:00] <visitor1> ?
[07:03] <TheSheep> visitor1: right-click on the panel, select panel->add
[07:03] <TheSheep> visitor1: find the button on the list and drag it to where you want it
[07:06] <visitor1> sorry i probably didnt express me correctly, i need the xfce menu, but it worked the way you tole me, thanks a lot, hope just it is also there after the next reboot lol
[07:06] <visitor1> told
[07:12] <xubuntu258> my mouse cursor keeps moving when i try to type, any suggestions how t fix it?
[07:16] <baizon> new mouse?
[07:16] <baizon> or different usb port
[08:52] <MikeChelen> after changing mouse size with gcursor, the cursor is still small on some windows
[10:40] <oobiloz> join #rendai
[10:40] <oobiloz> er
[12:12] <xubuntu187> hola
[12:12] <xubuntu187> a todos
[14:20] <urthmover> what is the smartest way to install flash these days? (I'm running minimal 11.10 amd64 and xfce4 (just the packages I need)
[14:21] <urthmover> I'm doing the flashplugin-nonfree from apt for now
[14:23] <baizon> urthmover: no that way sucks
[14:23] <baizon> i installd it
[14:23] <baizon> you have to install i386 libs
[14:24] <urthmover> ah ok baizon I'll give that a shot
[14:24] <baizon> no no
[14:24] <baizon> wait
[14:24] <baizon> you just have to install that package...
[14:25] <baizon> urthmover: apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[14:25] <baizon> that will do it :)
[14:26] <urthmover> ok thanks
[14:26] <baizon> np
[14:28] <urthmover> sadly after having installed flash  youtube is still complaining about me not having the latest version of flash
[14:28] <baizon> ?
[14:29] <baizon> you installd the adobe-flashplugin package?
[14:29] <knome> urthmover, did you restart firefox?
[14:29] <urthmover> I'm on chrome
[14:29] <urthmover> and yes I started a new instance once the packages were done installing
[14:30] <urthmover> do you think it is an issue with running chrome?
[14:30] <urthmover> I'd hate to install firefox just to test it
[14:30] <urthmover> knome baizon do either of you have working flash on youtube today?  if so what browser are you using?
[14:31] <baizon> im using firefox
[14:31] <knome> ff too
[14:32] <knome> gonna hit the shower now ->
[14:32] <baizon> hf :)
[14:58] <bozso> hi
[14:58] <bozso> am i on the right chanel, if I need help? :D
[14:58] <baizon> yes
[14:58] <bozso> I'm new to linux
[14:59] <bozso> and I cant get wifi to work
[14:59] <bozso> I have xubuntu installed on an IBM T20 (900Mhz, 512ram)
[14:59] <bozso> with an external wifi card
[14:59] <bozso> (digitus wireless lan cardbus)
[15:00] <bozso> I installed the driver with windows driver intaller
[15:00] <bozso> and I see me home wireless network
[15:00] <bozso> but the password wont work
[15:00] <bozso> it asks again and again for the password, and I entered it correctly
[15:00] <bozso> any ideas?
[15:00] <baizon> what security? WEP, WPA2, WPA, none?
[15:00] <bozso> wpa2
[15:01] <baizon> does your wifi card support wpa2?
[15:01] <bozso> yes
[15:01] <bozso> it worked under windows
[15:01] <holstein> i remember trying a few different windows drivers, and finally getting one that worked with a strange card i had
[15:02] <bozso> and yes, it's on the box (wpa, wpa2 support)
[15:02] <holstein> you can try (temporarily) disabling the security just to see that its working
[15:02] <bozso> the driver I installed is the from the cd that came with the card originally
[15:02] <holstein> bozso: right, thats the one i used first as well
[15:04] <bozso> hmm I'll try disableing the password then
[15:04] <bozso> but i think the card is working
[15:04] <bozso> can it be, that the password is somehow changed before getting to the routher?
[15:04] <holstein> i am allergic to speculation, so this bit of troubleshooting will give you some useful information
[15:05] <holstein> bozso: i dont think so... theres the wpa supplicant though.. i havent had to worry with it for a long time
[15:07] <bozso> holstein: what is the wpa supplicant?
[15:07] <holstein> bozso: its just that... its for wpa, which is what you are going to find out if you are having issues with exclusively
[15:08] <holstein> if it were me.. i would try disabling the security... i would try connecting... i would try with WEP as well... then i would try (if its easy) to connect with a few live CD's and that driver
[15:23] <bozso> well I tried disableing security
[15:23] <bozso> with no security it does not connect, and with wep it does the same, asks for the password over and over again
[15:24] <holstein> yeah, i should have said *if* it works without security, move on the WEP
[15:24] <holstein> anyways.. if you want to tech this out with security disabled, i feel like that will save you some time
[15:25] <bozso> thank you :)
[15:25] <bozso> Iam going to search for some alternative drivers then
[15:25] <holstein> bozso: what about a native linux one? no dice?
[17:46] <france1159> Hi everyone
[17:47] <Paimun> hello
[17:47] <france1159> i installed Xubuntu and i currently installed Empathy but i don't understand why the graphical theme isn't apply on it.
[17:48] <france1159> actually visually i get ... uhm.. the same visual when i run a gtk application in root user.
[18:02] <CiPi> Use Pidgin. :)
[18:04] <Paimun> That doesn't solve his problem, CiPi.
[18:04] <CiPi> Atleast is better than Emathy.
[18:06] <Paimun> I agree, and I use Pidgin myself, but he did ask for help with Empathy.
[18:06] <Paimun> Although I'm just waiting for Digsby to get a port to Linux, but I think that will happen when HL2 Ep 3 comes out.,...
[18:08] <CiPi> :)
[18:08] <Paimun> france1159, what do you mean by the graphical theme, anyways?
[18:10] <france1159> i use pidgin for the moment and i don't want know what is the best. I just would like to know why after installing a Gtk+ software the gtk+ theme of Xfce does not work.
[18:11] <france1159> How do i take a screenshot with Xfce (i'm going to show you that) ?
[18:12] <Paimun> just hit alt+print screen on the empathy window
[18:12] <france1159> Thanks Paimun.
[18:15] <france1159> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/cran02122011191322.png/
[18:16] <Paimun> ah
[18:16] <Paimun> do you mean how it looks like an old gtk 2 program?
[18:16] <france1159> Yes
[18:17] <Paimun> yeah xfce is not really good with gtk themes I have found out, unless you are usinbg greybird your milage will vary with how things look
[18:17] <Paimun> synaptic looks like trash to me but other programs like Deluge look fine
[18:18] <france1159> so, there is no soluce to resolve that ?
[18:19] <Paimun> I'm not sure
[18:19] <Paimun> I'm rather inexperienced with xubuntu myself so perhaps someone else will have a better answer than I do. And there's always google.
[18:38] <Sysi> france1159: you ened to use theme with gtk3 support or copy gtk3 part from theme that has it
[18:38] <Sysi> s/ened/need
[18:40] <france1159> Sysi, because empathy uses Gtk3 lib ?
[18:41] <Sysi> yes
[19:25] <incorrect> is there a smarter clock that will give me a calendar? the top bar clock is some what featureless
[19:25] <Sysi> datetime-plugin is like that
[19:27] <incorrect> is that a separate thing to install, don't see a datetime plugin
[19:28] <Unit193> xfce4-datetime-plugin
[19:28] <Sysi> you may need to install it
[19:28] <incorrect> oh found it
[19:28] <Unit193> Then you'd have to add it to the panel
[19:28] <incorrect> duh i am stupid sometimes
[19:31] <Sysi> I just realized I really like that plugin
[19:33] <incorrect> me too
[19:33] <incorrect> nearly got all the functionality i liked in gnome2 back
[19:34] <Sysi> I wish I coudl've get all xfce functionality to gnome2
[19:34] <Paimun> xfce is pretty close to gnome 2 for me after installing a few things like indicator-multiload and the old disk utility and system monitor
[19:35] <incorrect> that i needed
[19:35] <Paimun> I didn't know about the datetime plugin though, thanks
[19:35] <knome> btw guys, #xubuntu-devel is a good place to discuss gnome-xfce things
[19:39] <darkblue_b> hi - I just installled an xubuntu system, and am having problems enabling ssh
[19:40] <knome> what in ssh
[19:40] <darkblue_b> its a pre-configured setup, called the OSGeo Live-DVD.. and the keygen has not been done "for security reasons"
[19:40] <darkblue_b> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_FAQ
[19:40] <knome> umm, if it's not xubuntu, we can't help
[19:40] <darkblue_b> it is xubuntu, really
[19:41] <darkblue_b> you do not want to think about it?
[19:41] <darkblue_b> maybe someone else
[19:41] <knome> yeah, but as they've clearly changed stuff, you should primarily ask them
[19:41] <darkblue_b> :-(
[19:41] <knome> well, that's the channel rule, only xubuntu support
[19:41] <knome> that page seems to give you instructions in enabling it
[19:41] <darkblue_b> I did that
[19:42] <Sysi> darkblue_b: all we know is it works on xubuntu, how they broke it is clearly not xubuntu issue
[19:42] <darkblue_b> they didnt break it, its widely used and popular
[19:42] <darkblue_b> if you are not allowed to talk about it, I dont know what to say about that
[19:43] <Sysi> if they didn't break ssh, why doesn't it work like on xubuntu? :)
[19:43] <darkblue_b> I will confess to you, that I am one of the primary devs on the disk, but I am not familiar with ssh details
[19:43] <darkblue_b> the main guy in charge of that is in New Zealand, and does not use IRC
[19:44] <knome> ask him via email or something
[19:44] <knome> we can't really support everything *made out of xubuntu*
[19:44] <darkblue_b> you cant talk about it at all, because it is not stock x-ubuntu.. is that the situation ?
[19:45] <darkblue_b> urgh
[19:45] <Unit193> If it's not in the repos, it's not exactly "supported"
[19:46] <darkblue_b> I understand its not supported, I didnt expect that it would be forbidden to discuss at all
[19:47] <Sysi> well, this is support channel
[19:47] <darkblue_b> y
[19:47] <darkblue_b> ok
[19:47] <knome> darkblue_b, it is not forbidden to discuss at all, but the situation clearly is that X (that is based on xubuntu) has broken SSH, and that's why you should refer to X, not xubuntu
[19:47] <darkblue_b> .. its not broken
[19:47] <knome> darkblue_b, it's not broken but it doesn't work?
[19:48] <knome> hummm... let me think
[19:48] <darkblue_b> its not fully initialized, because it is a live-dvd for wide distribution
[19:48] <darkblue_b> is the ssh public keys were generated, it would be a security issue
[19:48] <knome> that's the design decision made by osgeo
[19:48] <darkblue_b> so , they leave the ssh keys not-yet-generated, as indicated in the FAQ
[19:48] <darkblue_b> yes
[19:48] <knome> so, they should also provide instructions on how to make them work again
[19:49] <darkblue_b> I am on the dev team.. I am not an ssh expert.. it is all volunteers
[19:49] <darkblue_b> so, thats the situation
[19:49] <knome> i can confess you something too
[19:49] <knome> i am the xubuntu project lead
[19:49] <darkblue_b> ah
[19:49] <knome> and we're all volunteers too
[19:49] <darkblue_b> :-)
[19:50] <knome> even if we were paid, why should we fix things that are broken in distributions *based* on xubuntu?
[19:50] <darkblue_b> its good to meet you knome even in this unpleasant moment.. i think that the OSGeo Live-DVD is a fine promotion of the XUbuntu project
[19:50] <knome> if we take something from the osgeo disc, modify it, and it breaks for our users, can we send them to you?
[19:50] <knome> because the thing was originally from your distribution
[19:50] <Sysi> darkblue_b: why don't you remove that crippled ssh and use ubuntu/debian packaged one so that aptitude creates those keys when you install it and need them
[19:51] <darkblue_b> Sysi: ah - that sounds good
[19:51] <Sysi> (aptitude just runs scripts but anyway, that's how it's done on ubuntu systems)
[19:52] <knome> darkblue_b, the best suggestion i can make is ask the guy who did that decision to set up good enough instructions on how to enable the ssh keys
[19:52] <knome> darkblue_b, or create a script for that, or something
[19:52] <darkblue_b> yes - thats reasonable
[19:52] <darkblue_b> I think he probably thinks he has done that, but today, I am having some trouble on a new install
[19:53] <darkblue_b> we worked for two years on this, and released our "5" version in Sept, to a large audience of develoeprs
[19:53] <darkblue_b> it has been very well received - I think its very solid, otherwise we would have heard about it
[19:53] <Sysi> do you have page somewhere describing purpoce of that os/disk?
[19:53] <darkblue_b> alas, I personally am stuck on this today
[19:53] <darkblue_b> I am removing the package and reinstalling, as per Sysi
[19:54] <crazymutex> I have this box. It had 2 hard drives on same IDE bus, I installed 11.10 on slave (mistake I suppose). Now I removed the master drive and it doesn't boot anymore (no grub dialogue). How to fix it?
[19:54] <darkblue_b> Sysi absolutely, changing hats, it is great to be able to show this to you and knome
[19:55] <Sysi> crazymutex: set your bios to boot from slave
[19:55] <Sysi> crazymutex: if grub was installed to wrong disk, you need to reinstall it from livecd
[19:55] <Sysi> !grub2
[19:55] <crazymutex> Sysi, I set the drive as master and same result
[19:55] <crazymutex> Sysi, yes, that. How to proceed?
[19:55] <knome> darkblue_b, i was wondering if you had a quick overview for the project too
[19:56] <darkblue_b> Sysi knome  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
[19:56] <crazymutex> I tried that already, running grub-install from livecd, it gave same error
[19:57] <knome> darkblue_b, would be nice if you could mention you're using xubuntu as the base, if that's the situation :)
[19:57] <darkblue_b> I am happy to carry that back to the project - I agree knome
[19:57] <knome> thanks
[19:57] <knome> darkblue_b, that's appreciated
[19:58] <samy-zulo> hola buenas!!
[19:58] <samy-zulo> q tal
[19:59] <samy-zulo> alguien me podria exar una manita?
[19:59] <knome> !es | samy-zulo
[19:59] <samy-zulo> thanks!!
[20:00]  * knome will leave now to watch a movie
[20:00] <knome> have a nice night everybody
[20:00] <knome> darkblue_b, btw, if you want to talk about development later on, feel free to join #xubuntu-devel too
[20:07] <crazymutex> Sysi, thanks I should be able to reinstall grub with the info from this page; Though, will other problems arise since /dev/sdb will now be /dev/sda ? Should I edit /etc/fstab maybe?
[20:08] <Sysi> no
[20:30] <projekt26> boo!
[22:05] <leo_> good night everyone; I've got a little probleme with my xubuntu 11.10 all my videos are blue, i did a reset hardware defaults with x server settings it works but if i close the x server settings and vlc or other video soft the probleme is the same :(
[22:05] <leo_> oups sorry
[22:05] <leo_> hello
[22:06] <leo_> I've got a little probleme with nvidia settings
[22:06] <leo_> all my videos are blue
[22:06] <leo_> i did a x server settings hardreset it solves temporally the probleme :(
[22:07] <leo_> i shoot the drivers but the probleme is the same
[22:07] <leo_> all forus talk about gstreamer... but it's a gnome app :)
[22:07] <leo_> and i don't want to go again with gnome :)
[22:09] <leo_> thxs for your help !