| mhall119 | dmj726: we had talked a couple days ago about using lenses instead of launchers in the Launcher, I made a mockup of that, let me know what you think: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/index.html# | 02:32 |
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| mhall119 | I think it might be better | 02:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | mhall119; where do they start? | 02:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | Page 8? | 02:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | And I think for a lot of things lenses might indeed be better, as they are temporarily used, contradictory to desktop apps. You search a video, then watch it or add it to a playlist. Same with music. | 02:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, I'm off | 02:40 |
| dmj726 | mhall119: my team has some experience with HTML5 for apps | 04:43 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: that does look better | 08:59 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: would make a heap more sense to me on the desktop too quite frankly | 09:00 |
| MrChrisDruif | mhall119; where did you get all those icons for use in Pencil or can one import icons from the theme? | 14:12 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: I agree | 16:58 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: the Unity icons I got from /usr/share/unity/4 | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | I don't really like the way the unity launcher mixes up stuff I am running with stuff I might want to run, but isn't running now | 16:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | Btw, could it be possible to have links to the .ep files as well? | 17:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | I like a lot of the ideas already posted, but with minor changes | 17:02 |
| AlanBell | I posted my ones | 17:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | Only the BaseDesignFrame.ep I think? | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ nope | 17:11 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: mine is up there, just no link to it | 17:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright =) | 17:13 |
| * mhall119 is adding links | 17:14 | |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: AlanBell: I added a Download column to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs#preview for linking to our .ep files | 17:14 |
| AlanBell | good plan | 17:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | I was about to do the same, thanks for the quick action mhall119 =) | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | np | 17:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | mhall119; you're also an Ubuntu Member? | 17:16 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: yes | 17:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | mhall119; you source file isn't correct it seems? | 17:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anything after Dash w/ Search looks weird | 17:56 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: hmmm, looks okay to me still.... | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: I'm using Pencil 1.2, are you using 1.3? | 18:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | Lemme check | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | I wonder if it's a version imcompatibility | 18:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | 1.3.2 | 18:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | The first pages look good to me so that would be awkward | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | What does the Shotwell page look like? | 18:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | Same as Dash w/ Search, but without the image on the tv | 18:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | And two of the buttons swapped the orange glow | 18:19 |
| dmj726 | MrChrisDruif: http://imagebin.org/185405 was me | 18:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah =) | 18:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | I had it in one of my open tabs =) | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: hmmm, I wonder if it's not embedding the images properly | 18:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | Like I said, the first couple of pages look good mhall119 | 18:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | dmj726; the BFB is just a place horder for "useful" icons =) | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | yeah, not much use in having a button for the dash when launching this all from a remote | 19:06 |
| dmj726 | mhall119: That's an interesting point | 19:26 |
| MrChrisDruif | mhall119; how about when you use a wii-mote for instance? | 19:28 |
| dmj726 | I would think the button is a good idea for similarity with Ubuntu | 19:29 |
| dmj726 | and for pointy devices | 19:30 |
| MrChrisDruif | But the BFB != the Ubuntu button | 19:30 |
| imnichol | MrChrisDruif, Presumably you'd press the menu button onthe wimote to bring up the menu? | 19:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | That menu on the side? | 19:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | You don't mean the Dash? | 19:31 |
| imnichol | Oh ok | 19:33 |
| imnichol | Sorry, yeah didn't catch what you were saying | 19:33 |
| imnichol | My bad | 19:33 |
| dmj726 | BFB isn't the ubuntu button? | 19:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | Nope, it was just a placeholder for other buttons/apps | 19:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | You can ask AlanB if you want =) | 19:35 |
| dmj726 | oh, that BFB in my mockup just means the Ubuntu Button | 19:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, BFB stands for Big Friendly Button ;-) | 19:37 |
| dmj726 | well, the Ubuntu Button is big and friendly too, ya know! | 19:38 |
| dmj726 | hehe | 19:38 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that it what it is | 19:38 |
| AlanBell | BFB==the ubuntu logo button | 19:38 |
| dmj726 | :) | 19:38 |
| imnichol | Is there a reason to *not* use the Ubuntu logo button for the BFB? | 19:39 |
| AlanBell | imnichol: I just couldn't be bothered to get it right as I wasn't really doing a mockup | 19:39 |
| dmj726 | in my mockups it says BFB because AlanBell did that before and it seemed easier than hunting down the logo and adding it | 19:39 |
| AlanBell | I was just making an export filter for pencil | 19:40 |
| imnichol | Lazyness - the cornerstone of human ingenuity ;) | 19:40 |
| dmj726 | it's easier to type BFB than make an Ubuntu logo in pencil | 19:40 |
| imnichol | W00t first snow of the year! | 19:42 |
| imnichol | Gotta go move my car | 19:43 |
| imnichol | So MrChrisDruif, do you take issue with the BFB being the Ubuntu Button? | 19:48 |
| MrChrisDruif | Meh, not really =) | 19:50 |
| mhall119 | MrChrisDruif: I'm not planning on having a wiimote or other pointing device for user input | 20:30 |
| mhall119 | primarily for 2 reasons | 20:31 |
| dmj726 | mhall119: while we want this to play nicely with just a remote, I think we should keep touch/pointing devices in mind, especially if we end up with people gaming on our platform | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | 1) It's actually quite hard to accurately point with a wiimote, and you will fatigue quickly holding your arm up | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | 2) Wiimotes and other continuous input devices will drain batteries quickly, which doesn't make for an ideal user experience | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | dmj726: I agree, and I'm trying not to come up with any designs that *won't* work with one | 20:33 |
| mhall119 | but I don't want the basic interactions to depend on one, or even be optimized for one | 20:33 |
| mhall119 | even with Netflix on my Wii, I end up using the arrow buttons for navigation most often, because using it for pointing is so awkward | 20:34 |
| dmj726 | mhall119: yeah, all basic functionality should be designed to work well with both pointing and button navigation | 20:34 |
| mhall119 | which would also make the desktop better, IMO | 20:35 |
| dmj726 | I could see myself using something equivalent to a graphics slate with a TV for instance and not wanting to have to go grab the remote to switch windows for a moment. | 20:36 |
| dmj726 | mhall119: yes, more accesibility friendly | 20:36 |
| dmj726 | mice can be a bit of a problem for visually impaired and blind users | 20:37 |
| dmj726 | though I did once design a UI for touchscreens that a totally blind person could use | 20:37 |
| mhall119 | dmj726: interesting, are you involved with the ubuntu accessibility team at all? | 20:47 |
| dmj726 | mhall119: I've chatted with them a bit | 20:54 |
| dmj726 | Last year I made an accessibility app for maemo to take pictures and read any text it finds in them aloud. | 20:54 |
| mhall119 | cool | 20:58 |
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