[02:32] <mhall119> dmj726: we had talked a couple days ago about using lenses instead of launchers in the Launcher, I made a mockup of that, let me know what you think: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/index.html#
[02:33] <mhall119> I think it might be better
[02:36] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; where do they start?
[02:36] <MrChrisDruif> Page 8?
[02:38] <MrChrisDruif> And I think for a lot of things lenses might indeed be better, as they are temporarily used, contradictory to desktop apps. You search a video, then watch it or add it to a playlist. Same with music.
[02:40] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off
[04:43] <dmj726> mhall119: my team has some experience with HTML5 for apps
[08:59] <AlanBell> mhall119: that does look better
[09:00] <AlanBell> mhall119: would make a heap more sense to me on the desktop too quite frankly
[14:12] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; where did you get all those icons for use in Pencil or can one import icons from the theme?
[16:58] <mhall119> AlanBell: I agree
[16:59] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: the Unity icons I got from /usr/share/unity/4
[16:59] <AlanBell> I don't really like the way the unity launcher mixes up stuff I am running with stuff I might want to run, but isn't running now
[17:01] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, could it be possible to have links to the .ep files as well?
[17:02] <MrChrisDruif> I like a lot of the ideas already posted, but with minor changes
[17:07] <AlanBell> I posted my ones
[17:09] <MrChrisDruif> Only the BaseDesignFrame.ep I think?
[17:11] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ nope
[17:12] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: mine is up there, just no link to it
[17:13] <MrChrisDruif> Alright =)
[17:14]  * mhall119 is adding links
[17:14] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: AlanBell: I added a Download column to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs#preview for linking to our .ep files
[17:15] <AlanBell> good plan
[17:15] <MrChrisDruif> I was about to do the same, thanks for the quick action mhall119 =)
[17:15] <mhall119> np
[17:16] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; you're also an Ubuntu Member?
[17:33] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: yes
[17:55] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; you source file isn't correct it seems?
[17:56] <MrChrisDruif> Anything after Dash w/ Search looks weird
[18:16] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: hmmm, looks okay to me still....
[18:16] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: I'm using Pencil 1.2, are you using 1.3?
[18:16] <MrChrisDruif> Lemme check
[18:16] <mhall119> I wonder if it's a version imcompatibility
[18:16] <MrChrisDruif> 1.3.2
[18:17] <MrChrisDruif> The first pages look good to me so that would be awkward
[18:17] <mhall119> What does the Shotwell page look like?
[18:19] <MrChrisDruif> Same as Dash w/ Search, but without the image on the tv
[18:19] <MrChrisDruif> And two of the buttons swapped the orange glow
[18:32] <dmj726> MrChrisDruif: http://imagebin.org/185405 was me
[18:32] <MrChrisDruif> Ah =)
[18:32] <MrChrisDruif> I had it in one of my open tabs =)
[18:35] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: hmmm, I wonder if it's not embedding the images properly
[18:35] <MrChrisDruif> Like I said, the first couple of pages look good mhall119
[18:45] <MrChrisDruif> dmj726; the BFB is just a place horder for "useful" icons =)
[19:06] <mhall119> yeah, not much use in having a button for the dash when launching this all from a remote
[19:26] <dmj726> mhall119: That's an interesting point
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; how about when you use a wii-mote for instance?
[19:29] <dmj726> I would think the button is a good idea for similarity with Ubuntu
[19:30] <dmj726> and for pointy devices
[19:30] <MrChrisDruif> But the BFB != the Ubuntu button
[19:31] <imnichol> MrChrisDruif, Presumably you'd press the menu button onthe wimote to bring up the menu?
[19:31] <MrChrisDruif> That menu on the side?
[19:31] <MrChrisDruif> You don't mean the Dash?
[19:33] <imnichol> Oh ok
[19:33] <imnichol> Sorry, yeah didn't catch what you were saying
[19:33] <imnichol> My bad
[19:34] <dmj726> BFB isn't the ubuntu button?
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, it was just a placeholder for other buttons/apps
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> You can ask AlanB if you want =)
[19:35] <dmj726> oh, that BFB in my mockup just means the Ubuntu Button
[19:37] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, BFB stands for Big Friendly Button ;-)
[19:38] <dmj726> well, the Ubuntu Button is big and friendly too, ya know!
[19:38] <dmj726> hehe
[19:38] <AlanBell> yeah, that it what it is
[19:38] <AlanBell> BFB==the ubuntu logo button
[19:38] <dmj726> :)
[19:39] <imnichol> Is there a reason to *not* use the Ubuntu logo button for the BFB?
[19:39] <AlanBell> imnichol: I just couldn't be bothered to get it right as I wasn't really doing a mockup
[19:39] <dmj726> in my mockups it says BFB because AlanBell did that before and it seemed easier than hunting down the logo and adding it
[19:40] <AlanBell> I was just making an export filter for pencil
[19:40] <imnichol> Lazyness - the cornerstone of human ingenuity ;)
[19:40] <dmj726> it's easier to type BFB than make an Ubuntu logo in pencil
[19:42] <imnichol> W00t first snow of the year!
[19:43] <imnichol> Gotta go move my car
[19:48] <imnichol> So MrChrisDruif, do you take issue with the BFB being the Ubuntu Button?
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> Meh, not really =)
[20:30] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: I'm not planning on having a wiimote or other pointing device for user input
[20:31] <mhall119> primarily for 2 reasons
[20:32] <dmj726> mhall119: while we want this to play nicely with just a remote, I think we should keep touch/pointing devices in mind, especially if we end up with people gaming on our platform
[20:32] <mhall119> 1) It's actually quite hard to accurately point with a wiimote, and you will fatigue quickly holding your arm up
[20:32] <mhall119> 2) Wiimotes and other continuous input devices will drain batteries quickly, which doesn't make for an ideal user experience
[20:33] <mhall119> dmj726: I agree, and I'm trying not to come up with any designs that *won't* work with one
[20:33] <mhall119> but I don't want the basic interactions to depend on one, or even be optimized for one
[20:34] <mhall119> even with Netflix on my Wii, I end up using the arrow buttons for navigation most often, because using it for pointing is so awkward
[20:34] <dmj726> mhall119: yeah, all basic functionality should be designed to work well with both pointing and button navigation
[20:35] <mhall119> which would also make the desktop better, IMO
[20:36] <dmj726> I could see myself using something equivalent to a graphics slate with a TV for instance and not wanting to have to go grab the remote to switch windows for a moment.
[20:36] <dmj726> mhall119: yes, more accesibility friendly
[20:37] <dmj726> mice can be a bit of a problem for visually impaired and blind users
[20:37] <dmj726> though I did once design a UI for touchscreens that a totally blind person could use
[20:47] <mhall119> dmj726: interesting, are you involved with the ubuntu accessibility team at all?
[20:54] <dmj726> mhall119: I've chatted with them a bit
[20:54] <dmj726> Last year I made an accessibility app for maemo to take pictures and read any text it finds in them aloud.
[20:58] <mhall119> cool