[02:32] dmj726: we had talked a couple days ago about using lenses instead of launchers in the Launcher, I made a mockup of that, let me know what you think: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/index.html# [02:33] I think it might be better [02:36] mhall119; where do they start? [02:36] Page 8? [02:38] And I think for a lot of things lenses might indeed be better, as they are temporarily used, contradictory to desktop apps. You search a video, then watch it or add it to a playlist. Same with music. [02:40] Anyhow, I'm off [04:43] mhall119: my team has some experience with HTML5 for apps [08:59] mhall119: that does look better [09:00] mhall119: would make a heap more sense to me on the desktop too quite frankly [14:12] mhall119; where did you get all those icons for use in Pencil or can one import icons from the theme? [16:58] AlanBell: I agree [16:59] MrChrisDruif: the Unity icons I got from /usr/share/unity/4 [16:59] I don't really like the way the unity launcher mixes up stuff I am running with stuff I might want to run, but isn't running now [17:01] Btw, could it be possible to have links to the .ep files as well? [17:02] I like a lot of the ideas already posted, but with minor changes [17:07] I posted my ones [17:09] Only the BaseDesignFrame.ep I think? [17:11] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ nope [17:12] MrChrisDruif: mine is up there, just no link to it [17:13] Alright =) [17:14] * mhall119 is adding links [17:14] MrChrisDruif: AlanBell: I added a Download column to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs#preview for linking to our .ep files [17:15] good plan [17:15] I was about to do the same, thanks for the quick action mhall119 =) [17:15] np [17:16] mhall119; you're also an Ubuntu Member? [17:33] MrChrisDruif: yes [17:55] mhall119; you source file isn't correct it seems? [17:56] Anything after Dash w/ Search looks weird [18:16] MrChrisDruif: hmmm, looks okay to me still.... [18:16] MrChrisDruif: I'm using Pencil 1.2, are you using 1.3? [18:16] Lemme check [18:16] I wonder if it's a version imcompatibility [18:16] 1.3.2 [18:17] The first pages look good to me so that would be awkward [18:17] What does the Shotwell page look like? [18:19] Same as Dash w/ Search, but without the image on the tv [18:19] And two of the buttons swapped the orange glow [18:32] MrChrisDruif: http://imagebin.org/185405 was me [18:32] Ah =) [18:32] I had it in one of my open tabs =) [18:35] MrChrisDruif: hmmm, I wonder if it's not embedding the images properly [18:35] Like I said, the first couple of pages look good mhall119 [18:45] dmj726; the BFB is just a place horder for "useful" icons =) [19:06] yeah, not much use in having a button for the dash when launching this all from a remote [19:26] mhall119: That's an interesting point [19:28] mhall119; how about when you use a wii-mote for instance? [19:29] I would think the button is a good idea for similarity with Ubuntu [19:30] and for pointy devices [19:30] But the BFB != the Ubuntu button [19:31] MrChrisDruif, Presumably you'd press the menu button onthe wimote to bring up the menu? [19:31] That menu on the side? [19:31] You don't mean the Dash? [19:33] Oh ok [19:33] Sorry, yeah didn't catch what you were saying [19:33] My bad [19:34] BFB isn't the ubuntu button? [19:34] Nope, it was just a placeholder for other buttons/apps [19:35] You can ask AlanB if you want =) [19:35] oh, that BFB in my mockup just means the Ubuntu Button [19:37] Alright, BFB stands for Big Friendly Button ;-) [19:38] well, the Ubuntu Button is big and friendly too, ya know! [19:38] hehe [19:38] yeah, that it what it is [19:38] BFB==the ubuntu logo button [19:38] :) [19:39] Is there a reason to *not* use the Ubuntu logo button for the BFB? [19:39] imnichol: I just couldn't be bothered to get it right as I wasn't really doing a mockup [19:39] in my mockups it says BFB because AlanBell did that before and it seemed easier than hunting down the logo and adding it [19:40] I was just making an export filter for pencil [19:40] Lazyness - the cornerstone of human ingenuity ;) [19:40] it's easier to type BFB than make an Ubuntu logo in pencil [19:42] W00t first snow of the year! [19:43] Gotta go move my car [19:48] So MrChrisDruif, do you take issue with the BFB being the Ubuntu Button? [19:50] Meh, not really =) [20:30] MrChrisDruif: I'm not planning on having a wiimote or other pointing device for user input [20:31] primarily for 2 reasons [20:32] mhall119: while we want this to play nicely with just a remote, I think we should keep touch/pointing devices in mind, especially if we end up with people gaming on our platform [20:32] 1) It's actually quite hard to accurately point with a wiimote, and you will fatigue quickly holding your arm up [20:32] 2) Wiimotes and other continuous input devices will drain batteries quickly, which doesn't make for an ideal user experience [20:33] dmj726: I agree, and I'm trying not to come up with any designs that *won't* work with one [20:33] but I don't want the basic interactions to depend on one, or even be optimized for one [20:34] even with Netflix on my Wii, I end up using the arrow buttons for navigation most often, because using it for pointing is so awkward [20:34] mhall119: yeah, all basic functionality should be designed to work well with both pointing and button navigation [20:35] which would also make the desktop better, IMO [20:36] I could see myself using something equivalent to a graphics slate with a TV for instance and not wanting to have to go grab the remote to switch windows for a moment. [20:36] mhall119: yes, more accesibility friendly [20:37] mice can be a bit of a problem for visually impaired and blind users [20:37] though I did once design a UI for touchscreens that a totally blind person could use [20:47] dmj726: interesting, are you involved with the ubuntu accessibility team at all? [20:54] mhall119: I've chatted with them a bit [20:54] Last year I made an accessibility app for maemo to take pictures and read any text it finds in them aloud. [20:58] cool